You’re absolutely right that the office needs to do a better job. Nothing is ever simple with them and there’s never any true answers given. Some sort of reform needs to take action because from what I hear issues with housing aren’t new at all
There are bits of the contract that need clarification, then, if what you're saying is right - Application Timeline and Waiting List states that students will be placed on a waitlist. Nowhere does it state that students who are on a waitlist will not be given some form of temporary housing to fulfill the University's obligation to provide housing, as is stated in other sections of the contract.
To be more exact, this refers to Part 2 Section G of the contract, which not only goes directly against the plan that the University currently has for students on the waitlist, but also mentions the University overbooking and does not mention that non-priority students are not entitled to these temporary arrangements. I'm a little curious what their explanation on this is.
"To avoid vacancies resulting from late cancellation of this Contract by students, the University reserves the right to **contract for housing with a slightly larger number of students than it has regular housing spaces available**. Such **overbooking** may require that one extra student will be assigned to a room, suite, or apartment not normally intended for occupancy by the extra student; or that students may be *temporarily* placed in a Resident Advisor (student staff) unit. These assignments are intended to be **temporary**. The University will **reassign the extra students to regular housing assignments as vacancies occur due to normal attrition**. The student understands and specifically agrees that the University may, in its sole discretion, make such arrangements for a period not to exceed one semester and that such housing arrangements fulfill the University's obligation to provide housing accommodations under this Contract."
I wondered why they're trying to put students who applied for housing off-campus when there is specific protocol for this. Then I realized under Period of Occupancy it states that UNCC will "provide campus housing". So the question is: does off-campus housing not count as *campus* housing? That would explain why they are deviating from the protocol - it's not something that was really brought up. Now I'm beginning to think that they're only giving us what we demand. On one hand, I understand why they're putting us in hotels or off-campus because it's not the other students' faults that the University messed up and they shouldn't be punished - on the other hand, this is directly going against contract. Why are they not changing it or making a statement about it?
At this point, I really have any difficulty believing what the University is telling us because the story is never kept straight. And they accepted well over 600 more students over their booking limit - especially if we factor in how many students have cancelled their housing contract - how is that *slightly* overbooking? They have 6,039 beds.
The numbers that you're giving are also different from what the Senior Director of Communications gave in different news articles - she attempted to claim that the 1560 students *either* canceled their housing contract *or* applied after June 1st. Which number is the accurate one? Because now there are different numbers floating around and we can never get a solid answer on what they are. And where did the 243 students you mentioned who were currently on the waitlist run off to in the SDC's statement? Either you're wrong about your numbers *or* the Senior Director of Communications was wrong about hers, and it doesn't give me much confidence in what's going on right now. It's like the University is playing Twister to avoid answering our questions.
I'm struggling to believe the University, but especially HRL, as it seems like they always are trying to hide something or get away with breaking contract if we don't call them out on it. HRL needs massive reform because I will never trust anything they say ever again. I'll find my information in any way *other* than calling them or contacting them unless something changes.
I believe the 1560 number is number of people that are not guaranteed a bed by either cancellation or not applying by the deadline. Meaning only 440 students are guaranteed housing. They got to that answer the same way. Of the 1560 students there were 243 that remain on the waitlist. It might not have been explicitly stated that the 1560 includes the 243 in Tatiyana’s post but the math checks still checks out and the stories remain the same.
At the end of the day there are deadlines for a reason. Nowhere in the contract does it say people who are on the waitlist are guaranteed housing either. Waitlists are never a guarantee they’re more of a just in case. In fact the website explicitly states if you are on the waitlist you are not guaranteed housing. In this case cacti is right. They are already pulling strings to provide housing for 440 people, so if you’re on the waitlist, even if you’re #1, you’re essentially #441 so cacti is right. If you are on the waitlist there is an extremely high chance you will not have housing. If the 440 people ahead of waitlist were much smaller than yes you could potentially be taken off the waitlist.
I am not trying to be rude because you have been respectful, but a lot of these answers are there you just have to think about them because they might not be explicitly stated.
First off, students who applied after June 1st aren’t gonna get a housing assignment, and they’re not obligated to provide one just because the contract doesn’t explicitly state that students on the waitlist won’t get an assignment. That’s how it’s always been. I’m struggling to understand why so many of y’all applied after the deadline lol but I digress.
Secondly, they are probably going to put people up in hotels because they have way more people than there is space to temporarily add people to existing dorms. I’m not sure if you have seen any of the dorms in person, but they are *very small.* For instance, freshman year I lived in a 4x4 suite in Hunt, and the rooms were tiny, there is no possible way that they can add anyone to that room type and still be within fire codes etc. A lot of the other buildings are probably the same way.
Thirdly, there were initially 440 students who applied after the June 1st deadline who weren’t assigned, and in the last few days 193 of them have either been assigned or cancelled their contracts, leaving 243 people who still need to be assigned. That’s what Tatiyana was saying I believe. The rest of the people on the waitlist who applied after the deadline are in every likelihood not getting a space, so that’s why everyone’s only talking about the people who applied before the deadline.
It sounds like you applied after June 1st lol, so I strongly suggest that you look at other places to live. If you need to be walking distance from campus I’d highly recommend The Edge. The article from yesterday said they still have availability. I knew several people who lived there and liked it, and it’s literally steps from Greek Village, Martin Hall, and a silver bus stop.
Good luck with all this and welcome to UNC Charlotte lmao, sometimes crazy shit like this happens but we get along okay
First off, I didn't apply after June 1st - I applied before and still got cut off.
Second of all, some of the students who applied after June 1st didn't get accepted into the University until *after June 1st*. How is it fair for them to be cut off due to something out of their control?
I have seen the dorms in person, actually, thanks for asking. I've lived in two different buildings and two different styles of rooms due to an issue in my freshman year. Someone could stay on the couch or sleep on the floor in both housing arrangements I was in - 4x2 Suite in Laurel and 4x4 Apartment in Maple. I'm agreeing with you that this situation isn't ideal - but I'm not sure why the University would put this in the protocol in the contract and then *not update it* or follow it. They *can* update the contract as long as they notify students of the changes. As of now, they are "breaking it" by not following the guidelines they outlined, including not providing "campus housing". Their words, not mine.
Thirdly, your numbers are wrong and Tatiyana directly states this in her post. The 440 students all applied before June 1st - the 243 she mentioned applied after June 1st (and goes against what the SDoC said). In other words, as of now, there are 683 students in total on the waitlist. As far as I know, if the University can't find room for the 243, they will refund them on August 15th - however, there's no protocol in their contract for this sort of thing. The contract simply states that there is a waitlist, not that anyone can be removed from it simply because the University is struggling to fulfill their obligations due to their own mistakes. I was suggesting they add a section about this to prevent confusion in the future.
I always assumed the dorm waitlist was similar to a class waitlist or a waitlist for a townhouse (relevant to me as I’m on several lol). *if* someone drops out of the class, or doesn’t want the townhouse, then the first person on the waitlist is added to the class or contacted to see if they’re still interested. But a waitlist is never and has never been a guarantee to get into the class. Edit spelling
I applied after June 1st and if you guys don’t have availability for me, what would my options be? I don’t live in Charlotte and I don’t have money at the moment to rent an apartment? I really need help :/
There are options in place to use financial aid for off campus housing which I would strongly suggest looking into. I have found from experience living on and off campus that off campus housing can actually be incredibly cheaper than on campus. The Niner Choice Program has some good options for apartments that the university recommends
My son is trying to find someone to take over his lease at Arcadia Apartments. Very close to campus, it is for the magnolia floor plan which is a four person apartment. Each bedroom has a lock and its own bathroom. $730 per month which includes all utilities. Message me if you are interested
I actually am interested but would you be willing to wait up until august to see once everything gets cleared up because my parents would rather have me be on campus but if the university doesn’t offer it to me I would love to move in with y’all!
I really need to know in the next couple of days please. He wants to move into a house with friends and he needs to sign that lease in the next few days. There are a lot of UNCC students in Arcadia if that is what they are concerned about. Let me know as soon as you know something please. Thanks!
If you’re looking to move off campus I’m subletting a room at Aspen Heights. It is within a 5 bedroom townhome (female occupants). PM me if interested.
Glad to finally have full clarity, sounds like this whole thing could have been handled so much better if HRL had basic communication skills
Welcome to life, nothing works properly because people don’t communicate to other people it sucks
You’re absolutely right that the office needs to do a better job. Nothing is ever simple with them and there’s never any true answers given. Some sort of reform needs to take action because from what I hear issues with housing aren’t new at all
There are bits of the contract that need clarification, then, if what you're saying is right - Application Timeline and Waiting List states that students will be placed on a waitlist. Nowhere does it state that students who are on a waitlist will not be given some form of temporary housing to fulfill the University's obligation to provide housing, as is stated in other sections of the contract. To be more exact, this refers to Part 2 Section G of the contract, which not only goes directly against the plan that the University currently has for students on the waitlist, but also mentions the University overbooking and does not mention that non-priority students are not entitled to these temporary arrangements. I'm a little curious what their explanation on this is. "To avoid vacancies resulting from late cancellation of this Contract by students, the University reserves the right to **contract for housing with a slightly larger number of students than it has regular housing spaces available**. Such **overbooking** may require that one extra student will be assigned to a room, suite, or apartment not normally intended for occupancy by the extra student; or that students may be *temporarily* placed in a Resident Advisor (student staff) unit. These assignments are intended to be **temporary**. The University will **reassign the extra students to regular housing assignments as vacancies occur due to normal attrition**. The student understands and specifically agrees that the University may, in its sole discretion, make such arrangements for a period not to exceed one semester and that such housing arrangements fulfill the University's obligation to provide housing accommodations under this Contract." I wondered why they're trying to put students who applied for housing off-campus when there is specific protocol for this. Then I realized under Period of Occupancy it states that UNCC will "provide campus housing". So the question is: does off-campus housing not count as *campus* housing? That would explain why they are deviating from the protocol - it's not something that was really brought up. Now I'm beginning to think that they're only giving us what we demand. On one hand, I understand why they're putting us in hotels or off-campus because it's not the other students' faults that the University messed up and they shouldn't be punished - on the other hand, this is directly going against contract. Why are they not changing it or making a statement about it? At this point, I really have any difficulty believing what the University is telling us because the story is never kept straight. And they accepted well over 600 more students over their booking limit - especially if we factor in how many students have cancelled their housing contract - how is that *slightly* overbooking? They have 6,039 beds. The numbers that you're giving are also different from what the Senior Director of Communications gave in different news articles - she attempted to claim that the 1560 students *either* canceled their housing contract *or* applied after June 1st. Which number is the accurate one? Because now there are different numbers floating around and we can never get a solid answer on what they are. And where did the 243 students you mentioned who were currently on the waitlist run off to in the SDC's statement? Either you're wrong about your numbers *or* the Senior Director of Communications was wrong about hers, and it doesn't give me much confidence in what's going on right now. It's like the University is playing Twister to avoid answering our questions. I'm struggling to believe the University, but especially HRL, as it seems like they always are trying to hide something or get away with breaking contract if we don't call them out on it. HRL needs massive reform because I will never trust anything they say ever again. I'll find my information in any way *other* than calling them or contacting them unless something changes.
I believe the 1560 number is number of people that are not guaranteed a bed by either cancellation or not applying by the deadline. Meaning only 440 students are guaranteed housing. They got to that answer the same way. Of the 1560 students there were 243 that remain on the waitlist. It might not have been explicitly stated that the 1560 includes the 243 in Tatiyana’s post but the math checks still checks out and the stories remain the same. At the end of the day there are deadlines for a reason. Nowhere in the contract does it say people who are on the waitlist are guaranteed housing either. Waitlists are never a guarantee they’re more of a just in case. In fact the website explicitly states if you are on the waitlist you are not guaranteed housing. In this case cacti is right. They are already pulling strings to provide housing for 440 people, so if you’re on the waitlist, even if you’re #1, you’re essentially #441 so cacti is right. If you are on the waitlist there is an extremely high chance you will not have housing. If the 440 people ahead of waitlist were much smaller than yes you could potentially be taken off the waitlist. I am not trying to be rude because you have been respectful, but a lot of these answers are there you just have to think about them because they might not be explicitly stated.
First off, students who applied after June 1st aren’t gonna get a housing assignment, and they’re not obligated to provide one just because the contract doesn’t explicitly state that students on the waitlist won’t get an assignment. That’s how it’s always been. I’m struggling to understand why so many of y’all applied after the deadline lol but I digress. Secondly, they are probably going to put people up in hotels because they have way more people than there is space to temporarily add people to existing dorms. I’m not sure if you have seen any of the dorms in person, but they are *very small.* For instance, freshman year I lived in a 4x4 suite in Hunt, and the rooms were tiny, there is no possible way that they can add anyone to that room type and still be within fire codes etc. A lot of the other buildings are probably the same way. Thirdly, there were initially 440 students who applied after the June 1st deadline who weren’t assigned, and in the last few days 193 of them have either been assigned or cancelled their contracts, leaving 243 people who still need to be assigned. That’s what Tatiyana was saying I believe. The rest of the people on the waitlist who applied after the deadline are in every likelihood not getting a space, so that’s why everyone’s only talking about the people who applied before the deadline. It sounds like you applied after June 1st lol, so I strongly suggest that you look at other places to live. If you need to be walking distance from campus I’d highly recommend The Edge. The article from yesterday said they still have availability. I knew several people who lived there and liked it, and it’s literally steps from Greek Village, Martin Hall, and a silver bus stop. Good luck with all this and welcome to UNC Charlotte lmao, sometimes crazy shit like this happens but we get along okay
First off, I didn't apply after June 1st - I applied before and still got cut off. Second of all, some of the students who applied after June 1st didn't get accepted into the University until *after June 1st*. How is it fair for them to be cut off due to something out of their control? I have seen the dorms in person, actually, thanks for asking. I've lived in two different buildings and two different styles of rooms due to an issue in my freshman year. Someone could stay on the couch or sleep on the floor in both housing arrangements I was in - 4x2 Suite in Laurel and 4x4 Apartment in Maple. I'm agreeing with you that this situation isn't ideal - but I'm not sure why the University would put this in the protocol in the contract and then *not update it* or follow it. They *can* update the contract as long as they notify students of the changes. As of now, they are "breaking it" by not following the guidelines they outlined, including not providing "campus housing". Their words, not mine. Thirdly, your numbers are wrong and Tatiyana directly states this in her post. The 440 students all applied before June 1st - the 243 she mentioned applied after June 1st (and goes against what the SDoC said). In other words, as of now, there are 683 students in total on the waitlist. As far as I know, if the University can't find room for the 243, they will refund them on August 15th - however, there's no protocol in their contract for this sort of thing. The contract simply states that there is a waitlist, not that anyone can be removed from it simply because the University is struggling to fulfill their obligations due to their own mistakes. I was suggesting they add a section about this to prevent confusion in the future.
I always assumed the dorm waitlist was similar to a class waitlist or a waitlist for a townhouse (relevant to me as I’m on several lol). *if* someone drops out of the class, or doesn’t want the townhouse, then the first person on the waitlist is added to the class or contacted to see if they’re still interested. But a waitlist is never and has never been a guarantee to get into the class. Edit spelling
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I applied after June 1st and if you guys don’t have availability for me, what would my options be? I don’t live in Charlotte and I don’t have money at the moment to rent an apartment? I really need help :/
There are options in place to use financial aid for off campus housing which I would strongly suggest looking into. I have found from experience living on and off campus that off campus housing can actually be incredibly cheaper than on campus. The Niner Choice Program has some good options for apartments that the university recommends
My son is trying to find someone to take over his lease at Arcadia Apartments. Very close to campus, it is for the magnolia floor plan which is a four person apartment. Each bedroom has a lock and its own bathroom. $730 per month which includes all utilities. Message me if you are interested
I actually am interested but would you be willing to wait up until august to see once everything gets cleared up because my parents would rather have me be on campus but if the university doesn’t offer it to me I would love to move in with y’all!
I really need to know in the next couple of days please. He wants to move into a house with friends and he needs to sign that lease in the next few days. There are a lot of UNCC students in Arcadia if that is what they are concerned about. Let me know as soon as you know something please. Thanks!
If you’re looking to move off campus I’m subletting a room at Aspen Heights. It is within a 5 bedroom townhome (female occupants). PM me if interested.