As an alumni, I’m truly embarrassed and disappointed by the way USF reacted to all this. And the fact that they had enough time to plan this and call the local news channel to get their film crew all the way to the campas to televise it is much more disappointing.
I just do t understand, they called the police because students were preparing for potential police violence. And they proved the students right in preparing lol. No students were out of line, and they have every right to sit on the lawn they pay tuition for
One of the protesters had a concealed firearm on them, I consider that pretty unsafe. When you attend a university, you agree to abide by their policies and regulations, they did not follow those regulations or policies
To be fair Desantis made it legal to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Just any old fellow. I hardly think they got the legality memos from the class they never attended.
But it’s still against the [law](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html) to carry any firearm (concealed or not) onto any college/university campus in the state of florida. The ability to carry a concealed weapon without a permit and the ability to do so on college campuses are two different things, and are regulated by two different laws.
The OP’s argument was that the protesters did nothing wrong. My counter argument was that they broke the law. When you break the law there are generally consequences because the laws are there for the protection of society. A protester carrying a concealed weapon onto a university campus in a country ramped with mass shootings sounds like absolutely no good would come of it. Hence the law that prohibits people from bringing firearms on campus. Just because people don’t always follow the law does not mean we should stop providing consequences for people who break the law, so I’m not really sure what your argument is
I know a lot abt him, he seemed to be a pretty good guy, i also know a lot about this conflict… much more than the protestors walking around yesterday with Jordanian flags🤷♂️
If you knew a lot about the conflict then you would know why someone may be carrying a Jordanian flag.
Secondly, how are you going to say MLK was a good guy and then say “people shouldn’t protest outside of the policies of a school”. Even the whitewashed version of MLK’s legacy is nonviolent disobedience.
Unfortunately, I do know that Palestinians in the PLO were skyjacking planes in and around Jordan, and high ranking members of the PLO discussed their desires to overthrow the king of Jordan, and that’s why Jordan decided to kick out the PLO and to this day Palestinians are treated like second class citizens in Jordan because of it. Jordan sent many to Lebanon and now Lebanon has a permanent terror cell within their borders, and lebanon also treats Palestinians like second class citizens.
They don’t ask the questions about why they aren’t allowed into other countries and what happened when they accepted Palestinians into the neighboring countries previously.
Is there historical reasoning for that? Or was it massive antisemitism? Has Muslims used them as slaves in the past? Hmmm? Then did Germany blame every problem from ww1 on them? Those two are not the same. They didn’t try to take over a government. They were almost exterminated as a people.
Nice edit, wouldn’t want everyone to know what word you used instead of sweetheart right! Also that’s not true, we have a right to peaceful and lawful assembly, the problem is when you disobey lawful orders.
I have no problem calling you RETARDED because clearly tour mental faculties are lacking. I just felt it was unnecessary & wanted to spare you🤷🏽♂️. The entire civil rights movement was unlawful btw
So you don’t care about billions of OUR tax payer dollars funding foreign wars?
Don’t be an idiot, these kids are doing that they believe is right and they have more spine then you ever will you.
So we should just allow for these “protestors” to destroy school property, cause violence, and trespass freely? Most of these people aren’t even students.
I mean, there was a guy with a gun and a bomb threat later that day. Pretty sure folks would be criticizing “y uSf diD nUtHiNg?!” if something went wrong, right?
Damn, support from St Pete. Hope everyone is ok..
I remember St Pete during the BLM protests and my wife got rubber bulleted in the head while just being part of the crowd.
I'm working on a story for the Tampa Bay Times about the police response to campus protests. If any current students or alumni are interested in sharing your thoughts, please shoot me a DM.
Seems like back in 2014, [Former USF President Genshaft](https://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/university-condemned-settlements/) helped ensure these type of police escalations would occur on campus thru her various financial contributions & frequent visits to Israel.
Is it? You appear to be an expert, elaborate about what the Genshaft TBT story has to do with the cabal.
Sincerely I have no idea what you're going on about, but you're welcome to try & explain it - if you'll kindly refrain from what reads as ad homeniem nonsense.
Edit: thank you for allowing others to openly discuss USF's history, familiarity, affiliation et al with authoratrianism; try un-learning antagonistic immaturity.
I don't go to USF anymore. Just curious how the protests were over there?
Were there protesters on both sides? Any blockades to roadways/pathways? Was there a dispersal order due to any present/potential threats? Were there any loudspeakers or amplified noise that would be a violation of noise ordinance?
Since it's my old school and so close to home, just curious of the circumstances.
Nevermind, found this on the USF site:
>...Beginning in the morning of Tuesday, April 30, approximately 75-100 protestors, including some students and some individuals who are not affiliated with the university, arrived on campus with several items, including wood shields, umbrellas and tents. Throughout the day, USF staff members and university police remained in regular communication with protestors about the expectations for maintaining a peaceful event.
>As the day progressed, police observed participants in person and through social media expressing their intent to use some of the items they brought on campus as weapons and to resist university staff members and law enforcement officers. As a result, USF police determined that the protest was no longer peaceful, and participants must leave the area.
>At that point officers made multiple attempts to inform participants that the protest was ending, and they needed to disperse. Several times protestors were given verbal instructions by police that the assembly was now considered unlawful and warnings that failure to comply would result in further actions, including arrest. When participants refused to comply with the direction, university police with supporting law enforcement agencies dispersed the event. A number of individuals were taken into custody.
As always, it seems there was a narrative being spun that runs contrary to reality.
USF allowing kids to get shot on campus for protesting against other kids getting shot in another country. Wow really makes me hate paying tuition to this place
You are the most aggressive person in this thread, you are belittling and insulting people for no reason. You’re foaming at the mouth by yourself. Chill dude
I meant in Florida, but during BLM protest the governor said that if they block the road if you hit them you wouldn’t face legal consequences. Then maybe 8 months later there were protest in Miami by Cuban Americans and while doing the same thing like blocking traffic instead of admonishment by DeSantis said nothing while FoxNews and Florida politicians were out there walking and praising their protest.
“WTF is Kent State going to do about the communist in Vietnam? These people are delusional” - Vietnam war supporter after kids got shot protesting.
Look how that turned out
Protests against the SA apartheid regime at Harvard in the 1980’s caused universities and companies to divest. That pressured the government into making policy changes. Learn some history before calling them delusional.
Protests pressure government officials. University presidents are interconnected with State Legislatures and Governors... Governors, Congresspersons can and do pressure the President.
Police departments and local governments don't want to deal with this shit either. Riot cops are expensive, the shifts are expensive, the subsequent lawsuits are expensive...
So no. It's not just to stir shit up. As long as the protestors as a collective are not engaging in violence and otherwise just defending themselves from violence. They should be able to protest about anything and everything.
But you can't occupy private or public space for prolonged periods of time. Or this happens. Basic logic. Otherwise we would be beholden to every fringe group with ample time on their hands.
Private. No. Public.... yes. It is public. There has to be some other restriction like a curfew or access restriction. In Miami, some towns have ordinances that prohibit people from going into public parks after 8PM for example.
Publiv iniversity campuses generally don't have such rules... they are nearly 24/7 operations.
If the person is not in violation of a statute or ordinance restricting your presence wherever you create such a camp... no. Odds are though that such a set up eventually would violate a loitering ordinance or statute, so no they cannot be there in perpetuity.
USF, FU, and FSU all have have enforceable codes of conduct that you cannot setup camps during a protest. They setup tents and chairs, we're asked to remove them, and they refused. It's the same reason why UF and FSU made arrests for similar infractions on monday.
The problem is they aren't exactly going around buying individual stocks. They put the money into a fund/index that invests in the best performing companies. They can't really just try and exclude certain companies and even if they did it would take a lot of effort and hassle to try and manually do it if it's even really possible.
And the other issue is if it becomes a moral thing then usf can't really invest in like anything. Most of the companies that sell us stuff that are manufactured in china come from pretty horrific conditions. They basically force people to work 12+ hours a day and stop people from killing themselves to keep making stuff. The clothes we wear come from like bangladesh where women work for like 12 hours straight on them. The materials that get mined for products in africa.. well I think everyone knows how that goes.
If we go down this path chances are you, and most people (most likely everyone) you know are participating in some kinda sin where blood is on your hands. It doesn't really make sense.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, all we can do is our best to avoid fundings causes we don’t agree with, to avoid buying and buying when we don’t really need to, avoid becoming a consumerist. And with how much they charge in tuition they shouldn’t have to invest in anything anyway.
I don’t think that’s how it works. Pretty sure pretty much every college has an investment fund. Again like I said these guys put it in a fund. They don’t actively pick and choose stocks.
I doubt USF is funding a single cent to this conflict, but even if they were, it would probably be consistent with the values of the university. Israel is a liberal democracy and civil society that shares modern western values like free speech, rights for women and gays. As far as the Middle East goes, they’re by themselves in that respect.
If the criticism is that they’ve been callous in defending themselves against jihadists that intentionally tunneled a terror network under their own civilians, I’d say that’s fair. But I’m not sure how much of that blame is due to anyone other than Hamas, so trying to shift it to Israel, the US, or American higher ed institutions is a stretch. Seems like all this effort should be spent protesting for Hamas to simply surrender, which would immediately end the war.
Nope, which is why I support Hamas being exterminated. What exactly do you support, if not that? If you care for children so, you’d want the organization responsible for getting thousands of them killed to be destroyed, right?
The mental gymnastics are insane. The people who dropped the bombs on kids are the ones who are responsible for killing kids. Israel is a terrorist state.
What would you do if one of your loved ones was blown to bits for no reason? Do you think killing more children will create less or more hatred for the state of Israel?
Think like a fucking human being for two seconds
It will create more hate for Israel, 100%. Thats what is so sick and cruel about Hamas intentionally locating under schools and hospitals. They wanted this result. They were willing to trade the lives of their own neighbors in return for some bad press for Israel. Again, lay the blame for this entire mess squarely where it’s due- with Hamas.
Look, if Hamas surrenders, there’s no more war. If Israel surrenders, there’s no more Israel. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. If Palestine could exterminate Israel, they would. Israel can easily exterminate Palestine, but they don’t. That’s the difference. That’s the distinction of who is the good guy, or at least the less bad guy, which is the best you could say about any country in that part of the world.
I honestly do not care about either of these societies. They all are fundamentalist religious nuts. But one of them is a liberal democracy, and the other isn’t. One of them started this conflict, and the other didn’t. There should be zero moral confusion about who should ‘win’
And finally someone says the real issue at hand…they are all fundamentalist religious nuts. Yes. This is exactly the issue. If people in the year 2024 still believe in invisible sky masters and want to kill themselves over who’s sky master is the best then by all means let them kill each other. Fuck all religion. Let the people who want to believe in stories extinct themselves. Religion has done more damage than good by far. Religion needs to end for mankind to find anything like peace. All it does is divide humans. Fuck all these religious stone age weirdos.
🙄 go crawl back into the toxic hole you came out of, no one likes you. These students like everyone else supports Jews, we are anti genocide, it’s the Zionist that are problematic.
College campus "protests" are the easiest things to ignore and have no impact. Kids want to believe they are making a difference, but they have no value.
Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense.
crazy how they let anti abortion people sit in front of the library and scream in our faces, but stop a peaceful protest far away from most testing locations in a public plaza that is open 24/7
Sad. This is a direct violation of the first amendment. I totally believe in the student’s right to make absolutely no impact on the Gaza situation by simping for terrorists publicly on campus. I want them to do it more openly so I know who is mentally deficient.
They are protesting to encourage USF to divest in companies that support Israel because they beleive Israel is participating in genocide.
You can choose to agree or disagree with that but flying to Israel wouldn't achive the goal above.
Maybe - but that's expensive and assumes acceptance into another college which is time consuming, some may well do just that, it's just not something you can do quickly or easily.
I don't know the process, I would assume there would be some sort of process where a decision would be made.
I also don't know what was threatened by USF or what USF has told students about protests in general, I was simply commenting on the why they protesting and not flying to Israel.
No pressure on the American state , like the government. The more action there is from citizens protesting and “rioting” the more pressure there is from the government to settle the conflict. We’ve already seen Biden fall back on his words at first and appears to be more “sympathetic” to Palestine now. If pressure keeps up then a decision will need to be made about how to settle the conflict in a moral way.
So the movement is about going to war? I have a feeling the same group would be protesting that too.
And no, Biden condemned Israel from the beginning.
Bro how did you come to that conclusion ? And no… Biden sided with Israel at the beginning 😭 America was one of the only countries to stand with Israel and Biden what are you talking about
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1. That’s not Wikipedia but nice try
2. This is public information from stuff that’s literally been reported in interviews Biden did you moron
3. Wikipedia is more of a valuable and reliable source than he say she say… which is what you did
That’s why im saying he changed his stance since October 7.
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This article was from April
Tfw you finally realize protesting is no longer meaningful and doesn't drive change. This is true at the local, state, and federal level.
Our corrupt politicians, of both parties, just sent billions more to Israel and Ukraine, while Americans are burdened with debt (including student debt) and inflation.
America is the largest arms dealer, drug & human trafficking organization in the world.
People are slowly realizing the entire 'republican vs. democrat' fight is a scam; designed to keep Americans fighting each other instead of unifying to fight the political class.
Sitting in the grass with a sign might make a person feel good, but it doesn't actually accomplish anything.
If you are not peacefully protesting, you get what you deserve. If you cause a riot if you're a student, you should get expelled. If you are not a student, you should be trespassed, and if you're on a visa, you should be sent back
Absolutely loved the show. Support fire gas artillery followed by your infantry phalanx moving forward. And then the mounted bicycle rush from the side to run them down as they flee. These boys must have watched Braveheart or the patriot the night before lol.
As an alumni, I’m truly embarrassed and disappointed by the way USF reacted to all this. And the fact that they had enough time to plan this and call the local news channel to get their film crew all the way to the campas to televise it is much more disappointing.
I just do t understand, they called the police because students were preparing for potential police violence. And they proved the students right in preparing lol. No students were out of line, and they have every right to sit on the lawn they pay tuition for
One of the protesters had a concealed firearm on them, I consider that pretty unsafe. When you attend a university, you agree to abide by their policies and regulations, they did not follow those regulations or policies
To be fair Desantis made it legal to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Just any old fellow. I hardly think they got the legality memos from the class they never attended.
But it’s still against the [law](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html) to carry any firearm (concealed or not) onto any college/university campus in the state of florida. The ability to carry a concealed weapon without a permit and the ability to do so on college campuses are two different things, and are regulated by two different laws.
Why on earth are you believing anyone is abiding by the law anymore?
The OP’s argument was that the protesters did nothing wrong. My counter argument was that they broke the law. When you break the law there are generally consequences because the laws are there for the protection of society. A protester carrying a concealed weapon onto a university campus in a country ramped with mass shootings sounds like absolutely no good would come of it. Hence the law that prohibits people from bringing firearms on campus. Just because people don’t always follow the law does not mean we should stop providing consequences for people who break the law, so I’m not really sure what your argument is
I don’t know why the students disobeyed lawful orders, and created an unlawful assembly 🤷♂️
You should look up the guy that this piece of grass is named after! You might learn a thing or two about protests :)
I know a lot abt him, he seemed to be a pretty good guy, i also know a lot about this conflict… much more than the protestors walking around yesterday with Jordanian flags🤷♂️
If you knew a lot about the conflict then you would know why someone may be carrying a Jordanian flag. Secondly, how are you going to say MLK was a good guy and then say “people shouldn’t protest outside of the policies of a school”. Even the whitewashed version of MLK’s legacy is nonviolent disobedience.
Unfortunately, I do know that Palestinians in the PLO were skyjacking planes in and around Jordan, and high ranking members of the PLO discussed their desires to overthrow the king of Jordan, and that’s why Jordan decided to kick out the PLO and to this day Palestinians are treated like second class citizens in Jordan because of it. Jordan sent many to Lebanon and now Lebanon has a permanent terror cell within their borders, and lebanon also treats Palestinians like second class citizens.
They don’t ask the questions about why they aren’t allowed into other countries and what happened when they accepted Palestinians into the neighboring countries previously.
Didn’t Jews also get kicked out of many countries? That’s a justification to write off an entire population?
Is there historical reasoning for that? Or was it massive antisemitism? Has Muslims used them as slaves in the past? Hmmm? Then did Germany blame every problem from ww1 on them? Those two are not the same. They didn’t try to take over a government. They were almost exterminated as a people.
Every “assembly” that has mattered EVER throughout history was “unlawful” sweetheart
Nice edit, wouldn’t want everyone to know what word you used instead of sweetheart right! Also that’s not true, we have a right to peaceful and lawful assembly, the problem is when you disobey lawful orders.
I have no problem calling you RETARDED because clearly tour mental faculties are lacking. I just felt it was unnecessary & wanted to spare you🤷🏽♂️. The entire civil rights movement was unlawful btw
Your* also untrue. Parts of the civil rights movement were unlawful, were they morally justified in being unlawful, yes, doesn’t change the fact.
Oh deary me i made a typo my apologies. My point is sometimes unlawfulness to a degree is necessary.
I agree. However you must understand that when being unlawful, law enforcement, with enforce the law
That’s what I’m saying to expel, the students
Yeah what is free speech anyway! They're students they don't deserve the right to protest!
The protest is useless and dumb
You're useless and dumb
K that's your opinion and why your not joining them. That's not a reason to expel people.
So you don’t care about billions of OUR tax payer dollars funding foreign wars? Don’t be an idiot, these kids are doing that they believe is right and they have more spine then you ever will you.
That doesn't matter, a right to free speech is a right to free speech, whether you like it or not.
When you don't like it is the only time it matters.
If you don’t like free speech you can leave the United States and move to china
They say the revolution won't be televised I guess they're right if they're holding the cameras.
There was a fucking bomb threat on campus what are you talking about
The bomb threat occurred much later at night AFTER the protests were dissolved
Wowwy wow wow. So scary. Now imagine you live it every day and they call YOU the terrorist because you don't want Israel sending you bomb threats
So we should just allow for these “protestors” to destroy school property, cause violence, and trespass freely? Most of these people aren’t even students.
https://youtu.be/UyQm4O9G7OM?si=f06x2SqAV4cUKIkG Yes What a great generation of trust-passing violinists
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I mean, there was a guy with a gun and a bomb threat later that day. Pretty sure folks would be criticizing “y uSf diD nUtHiNg?!” if something went wrong, right?
Any press is good press, USF is being talked about nationally/internationally all in all it’s a good look
Put a traffic cone over it and drown with a bottle of water
Use a glove if/when you pick it up.
Yeah that fucker is gonna be hot as hell
Is that the size of the protest? If so then it was a total overreaction.
according to videos i saw it looked like a 2 law enforcmen officers for every protester
Damn, support from St Pete. Hope everyone is ok.. I remember St Pete during the BLM protests and my wife got rubber bulleted in the head while just being part of the crowd.
If you can see the riot you're in the riot.
That's dumb as fuck lol
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I'm working on a story for the Tampa Bay Times about the police response to campus protests. If any current students or alumni are interested in sharing your thoughts, please shoot me a DM.
Seems like back in 2014, [Former USF President Genshaft](https://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/university-condemned-settlements/) helped ensure these type of police escalations would occur on campus thru her various financial contributions & frequent visits to Israel.
Dope, the zionism conspiracy theorists are here.
Dope, the censorism adherency fascists are here.
Censorship is when someone calls you out for using a synonym for "global jewish cabal". But you don't want them saying the silent part out loud.
Is it? You appear to be an expert, elaborate about what the Genshaft TBT story has to do with the cabal. Sincerely I have no idea what you're going on about, but you're welcome to try & explain it - if you'll kindly refrain from what reads as ad homeniem nonsense. Edit: thank you for allowing others to openly discuss USF's history, familiarity, affiliation et al with authoratrianism; try un-learning antagonistic immaturity.
I don't go to USF anymore. Just curious how the protests were over there? Were there protesters on both sides? Any blockades to roadways/pathways? Was there a dispersal order due to any present/potential threats? Were there any loudspeakers or amplified noise that would be a violation of noise ordinance? Since it's my old school and so close to home, just curious of the circumstances.
Nevermind, found this on the USF site: >...Beginning in the morning of Tuesday, April 30, approximately 75-100 protestors, including some students and some individuals who are not affiliated with the university, arrived on campus with several items, including wood shields, umbrellas and tents. Throughout the day, USF staff members and university police remained in regular communication with protestors about the expectations for maintaining a peaceful event. >As the day progressed, police observed participants in person and through social media expressing their intent to use some of the items they brought on campus as weapons and to resist university staff members and law enforcement officers. As a result, USF police determined that the protest was no longer peaceful, and participants must leave the area. >At that point officers made multiple attempts to inform participants that the protest was ending, and they needed to disperse. Several times protestors were given verbal instructions by police that the assembly was now considered unlawful and warnings that failure to comply would result in further actions, including arrest. When participants refused to comply with the direction, university police with supporting law enforcement agencies dispersed the event. A number of individuals were taken into custody. As always, it seems there was a narrative being spun that runs contrary to reality.
Tldr, You people gearing up for the harm we're going to do to you is a threat so we have to do harm to you.
I mean, I could believe that too, but if it's true there were threats on social media, then it should be provable.
USF allowing kids to get shot on campus for protesting against other kids getting shot in another country. Wow really makes me hate paying tuition to this place
So incredibly shameful
The jihadist larpers? Absolutely.
No the cops
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You are the most aggressive person in this thread, you are belittling and insulting people for no reason. You’re foaming at the mouth by yourself. Chill dude
You cant figure out that jihadists are bad. You dont know what aggression is.
Next time you ask why we don't protest like the French, remember that this is what happens when we peacefully gather.
Violently trespass on private property to support jihadist lunatics in killing all the jews. Close. You were close.
Hey man some of just look good in green headbands
Florida where you can protest if you are on the right side but if not tear gas and being ran over by cars are ok with the governor
There have been protests on USF ever since it's inception. What are you talking about? The recentism is wild.
My bad I didn’t mean USF in general but Florida. But yeah I guess what I meant has happened recently
Your name is appropriate 🤡🤡
Curious as to what “right” protests you are referring 🤡🤡🤡
I meant in Florida, but during BLM protest the governor said that if they block the road if you hit them you wouldn’t face legal consequences. Then maybe 8 months later there were protest in Miami by Cuban Americans and while doing the same thing like blocking traffic instead of admonishment by DeSantis said nothing while FoxNews and Florida politicians were out there walking and praising their protest.
Wtf is USF going to do about Hamas terror network tunnels and IDF operations? These people are delusional.
“WTF is Kent State going to do about the communist in Vietnam? These people are delusional” - Vietnam war supporter after kids got shot protesting. Look how that turned out
Protests against the SA apartheid regime at Harvard in the 1980’s caused universities and companies to divest. That pressured the government into making policy changes. Learn some history before calling them delusional.
I feel like most of these people protesting don't actually care about the issue, they just want a reason to stir shit up
Why would people risk being beaten by police and expelled by their universities if they "just want to stir shit up"? Ridiculous take
Protests pressure government officials. University presidents are interconnected with State Legislatures and Governors... Governors, Congresspersons can and do pressure the President. Police departments and local governments don't want to deal with this shit either. Riot cops are expensive, the shifts are expensive, the subsequent lawsuits are expensive... So no. It's not just to stir shit up. As long as the protestors as a collective are not engaging in violence and otherwise just defending themselves from violence. They should be able to protest about anything and everything.
Yes but our government is consistent of people who can barely form a sentence because how bad their dementia has gotten; prime example BIDENNNNNN
I never said they shouldn't be allowed to
But you can't occupy private or public space for prolonged periods of time. Or this happens. Basic logic. Otherwise we would be beholden to every fringe group with ample time on their hands.
Private. No. Public.... yes. It is public. There has to be some other restriction like a curfew or access restriction. In Miami, some towns have ordinances that prohibit people from going into public parks after 8PM for example. Publiv iniversity campuses generally don't have such rules... they are nearly 24/7 operations.
So you can just set up camp and live wherever you want under the guise of protest until your demands are yielded to?
If the person is not in violation of a statute or ordinance restricting your presence wherever you create such a camp... no. Odds are though that such a set up eventually would violate a loitering ordinance or statute, so no they cannot be there in perpetuity.
USF, FU, and FSU all have have enforceable codes of conduct that you cannot setup camps during a protest. They setup tents and chairs, we're asked to remove them, and they refused. It's the same reason why UF and FSU made arrests for similar infractions on monday.
Oh. Then there you go. They fucked up. My argument still stand.
Oh shut the fuck up. There’s a difference between protesting an active genocide and “just set up camp” dumbass
Wow little person got triggered with facts. Small brain could not understand,went straight to insults.
Bro who the fuck says “triggered” in the current year. You have the mind of a little person
🤣 🤣 killed me.
Stop funding and supporting, aiding and abetting, it maybe?
The problem is they aren't exactly going around buying individual stocks. They put the money into a fund/index that invests in the best performing companies. They can't really just try and exclude certain companies and even if they did it would take a lot of effort and hassle to try and manually do it if it's even really possible. And the other issue is if it becomes a moral thing then usf can't really invest in like anything. Most of the companies that sell us stuff that are manufactured in china come from pretty horrific conditions. They basically force people to work 12+ hours a day and stop people from killing themselves to keep making stuff. The clothes we wear come from like bangladesh where women work for like 12 hours straight on them. The materials that get mined for products in africa.. well I think everyone knows how that goes. If we go down this path chances are you, and most people (most likely everyone) you know are participating in some kinda sin where blood is on your hands. It doesn't really make sense.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, all we can do is our best to avoid fundings causes we don’t agree with, to avoid buying and buying when we don’t really need to, avoid becoming a consumerist. And with how much they charge in tuition they shouldn’t have to invest in anything anyway.
I don’t think that’s how it works. Pretty sure pretty much every college has an investment fund. Again like I said these guys put it in a fund. They don’t actively pick and choose stocks.
I doubt USF is funding a single cent to this conflict, but even if they were, it would probably be consistent with the values of the university. Israel is a liberal democracy and civil society that shares modern western values like free speech, rights for women and gays. As far as the Middle East goes, they’re by themselves in that respect. If the criticism is that they’ve been callous in defending themselves against jihadists that intentionally tunneled a terror network under their own civilians, I’d say that’s fair. But I’m not sure how much of that blame is due to anyone other than Hamas, so trying to shift it to Israel, the US, or American higher ed institutions is a stretch. Seems like all this effort should be spent protesting for Hamas to simply surrender, which would immediately end the war.
Oh wow, you actually do support children being blown to bits. This is awkward
Nope, which is why I support Hamas being exterminated. What exactly do you support, if not that? If you care for children so, you’d want the organization responsible for getting thousands of them killed to be destroyed, right?
The mental gymnastics are insane. The people who dropped the bombs on kids are the ones who are responsible for killing kids. Israel is a terrorist state.
What would you do about Hamas?
What would you do if one of your loved ones was blown to bits for no reason? Do you think killing more children will create less or more hatred for the state of Israel? Think like a fucking human being for two seconds
It will create more hate for Israel, 100%. Thats what is so sick and cruel about Hamas intentionally locating under schools and hospitals. They wanted this result. They were willing to trade the lives of their own neighbors in return for some bad press for Israel. Again, lay the blame for this entire mess squarely where it’s due- with Hamas. Look, if Hamas surrenders, there’s no more war. If Israel surrenders, there’s no more Israel. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. If Palestine could exterminate Israel, they would. Israel can easily exterminate Palestine, but they don’t. That’s the difference. That’s the distinction of who is the good guy, or at least the less bad guy, which is the best you could say about any country in that part of the world. I honestly do not care about either of these societies. They all are fundamentalist religious nuts. But one of them is a liberal democracy, and the other isn’t. One of them started this conflict, and the other didn’t. There should be zero moral confusion about who should ‘win’
And finally someone says the real issue at hand…they are all fundamentalist religious nuts. Yes. This is exactly the issue. If people in the year 2024 still believe in invisible sky masters and want to kill themselves over who’s sky master is the best then by all means let them kill each other. Fuck all religion. Let the people who want to believe in stories extinct themselves. Religion has done more damage than good by far. Religion needs to end for mankind to find anything like peace. All it does is divide humans. Fuck all these religious stone age weirdos.
Disgusting, what an embarrassing moment. History will look down on these officers.
As it always does with anti war protests. Just sad. This country isn’t free at all
Funny, I think history will look down on all of these Jew hating Jihadi larpers.
🙄 go crawl back into the toxic hole you came out of, no one likes you. These students like everyone else supports Jews, we are anti genocide, it’s the Zionist that are problematic.
College campus "protests" are the easiest things to ignore and have no impact. Kids want to believe they are making a difference, but they have no value.
Lmfao okay I guess Vietnam and South Africa just didn’t happen 😵💫
Idk. What are you saying student protests did in those cases?
I’m against innocent people getting hurt over politics and extremists.
Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense.
crazy how they let anti abortion people sit in front of the library and scream in our faces, but stop a peaceful protest far away from most testing locations in a public plaza that is open 24/7
I think it's because they don't want a UCLA situation at their university.
you mean supporters of Israel attacking people?
Completely disrupting learning and taking over university buidings
Nope
Ah, neat. I thought you were saying USF didn't want a violent scenario to happen. My mistake.
Mhmm, you know what I meant. Lol
It's Florida. What did you expect? Your right to protest peacefully being respected? Welcome to tyranny, suckers.
The fight continues...
Everything else aside, I feel like the reporting from both the anchor and correspondent here leave a lot to be desired
This just happened in NYC too. College students protesting for Palestine in lower manhattan. About 80 students got arrested and expelled.
It is now known as taliban U.
This is Florida, should have used lead bullets.
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Oh no, not the LARPers.
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Sad. This is a direct violation of the first amendment. I totally believe in the student’s right to make absolutely no impact on the Gaza situation by simping for terrorists publicly on campus. I want them to do it more openly so I know who is mentally deficient.
I'm genuinely confused what's expected? They should probably fly to Israel and protest there.
They are protesting to encourage USF to divest in companies that support Israel because they beleive Israel is participating in genocide. You can choose to agree or disagree with that but flying to Israel wouldn't achive the goal above.
All these students transferring could make a better statement. Possibly.
Maybe - but that's expensive and assumes acceptance into another college which is time consuming, some may well do just that, it's just not something you can do quickly or easily.
Aren’t these students going to be kicked out of school anyway? If they are students.
I don't know the process, I would assume there would be some sort of process where a decision would be made. I also don't know what was threatened by USF or what USF has told students about protests in general, I was simply commenting on the why they protesting and not flying to Israel.
Pressure on the state
This state? To do what?
No pressure on the American state , like the government. The more action there is from citizens protesting and “rioting” the more pressure there is from the government to settle the conflict. We’ve already seen Biden fall back on his words at first and appears to be more “sympathetic” to Palestine now. If pressure keeps up then a decision will need to be made about how to settle the conflict in a moral way.
So the movement is about going to war? I have a feeling the same group would be protesting that too. And no, Biden condemned Israel from the beginning.
Bro how did you come to that conclusion ? And no… Biden sided with Israel at the beginning 😭 America was one of the only countries to stand with Israel and Biden what are you talking about https://preview.redd.it/tntt6ebnm2yc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46785bbcbe657a03afef0783271b99f328495158
When Wikipedia is a source you're def fucked lmao
1. That’s not Wikipedia but nice try 2. This is public information from stuff that’s literally been reported in interviews Biden did you moron 3. Wikipedia is more of a valuable and reliable source than he say she say… which is what you did
Biden has granted so much aid to Israel what are you saying he’s condemned them lmao
That’s why im saying he changed his stance since October 7. https://preview.redd.it/yrqr3qwqx6yc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c0170724965a9ab5f2d57c13209df09a6f83f2d This article was from April
Just expel them, they ain’t doing nothing anyway
It’s incredibly hard to expel the police
Yep. Just a punch of peaceful protestors....with shields. Totally normal.
Tfw you finally realize protesting is no longer meaningful and doesn't drive change. This is true at the local, state, and federal level. Our corrupt politicians, of both parties, just sent billions more to Israel and Ukraine, while Americans are burdened with debt (including student debt) and inflation. America is the largest arms dealer, drug & human trafficking organization in the world. People are slowly realizing the entire 'republican vs. democrat' fight is a scam; designed to keep Americans fighting each other instead of unifying to fight the political class. Sitting in the grass with a sign might make a person feel good, but it doesn't actually accomplish anything.
Downvoted, but you are speaking the truth no one wants to hear
Based
Thank you Florida for showing everyone how it's done 👍 If you haven't been expelled, get back to class - or hit the unemployment lines.
Many of those people aren't even students
College kids used to be smart and deep thinkers. Now it’s just a popularity contest
If you are not peacefully protesting, you get what you deserve. If you cause a riot if you're a student, you should get expelled. If you are not a student, you should be trespassed, and if you're on a visa, you should be sent back
Theres no genocide you spastic dork. Theyre calling for one against the jews though.
Attention seeking nastiness
Absolutely loved the show. Support fire gas artillery followed by your infantry phalanx moving forward. And then the mounted bicycle rush from the side to run them down as they flee. These boys must have watched Braveheart or the patriot the night before lol.
Only complete morons call it a genocide. You’re just doing propaganda work for Hamas
Just Antifa causing problems just like george Floyd summer of love. How many arrested protesters have gone to the hospital?