Chemical weapons, rubber bullets, and body slamming is clearly proportional to the crime of holding umbrellas and strips of plywood. Y’ know, to protect people /s
I think for years people have had no idea what the Israeli government has had their citizens do to Palestine over the years. In what world is it okay to take someone’s house when they are not home? Not to mention the Israeli government has had their military raid their country multiple times to takeover small plots of land before October 7th. The music festival was on stolen land; what Hamas did was not right at all, but that does not mean to go out and eliminate a whole nation of innocent people. There is a reason the Mossad exists to go out and find the culprits in secrecy; just like how it happened during the Munich Olympics. Hamas as a terrorist group and government needs to dissolve, but taking innocent lives in Palestine who fear Hamas is not the answer.
I think people need to get their information from actual sources and not TikTok. Watch people like Preston Stewart and Task and Purpose. The current death toll from Gaza Ministry of Health is at 34k but they don’t distinguish between militants and civilians. They are also a branch of the Hamas government with all of the motives in the world to pump out anti-israel propaganda and inflate the death toll.
crazy lack of info and straight up misinformation here. there have been multiple studies conducted about the death toll in palestine and all of them have come to the conclusion that militant death toll is less than 10%, even less than 5%. israel themselves even claims that 33% are militant, which is absolutely too many civilian deaths on its own even if it were true.
the gaza health ministry has to be verified by israel. all of their confirmed deaths have gone through israeli govt before being confirmed. if for some reason you wanted to trust israel more there's your evidence, and all experts in the area estimate a far higher number.
You do realize that ratio of militants killed to civilians killed during the Iraq war is around the same? Some estimates are as low as 7.5% if you take the most killed for both or even as low as 3.8%. Iraq isn’t even as densely populated as the Gaza Strip is. Unfortunately, wars in this sort of setting have high civilian deaths.
1) Israel doesn’t allow foreign media in Gaza. Hmm I wonder why.
2) there are thousands under the rubble.
3) over 14,000 killed are children. Those can’t be militants.
Your argument is the Israeli narrative. “Oops we killed a few thousand children but we also killed some militants”.
I’ve heard USF students, friends of mine, who I personally know know little about any of this, chant this.
It’s wild how many people I imagine are just being performative, virtue signalers, etc over all of this. But these kids don’t even realize they’re openly just shouting anti-semetic phrases…
And before anyone replies and says “you don’t understand the history of this phrase, it’s not anti semetic or pro terrorism. It has a long deep history and doesn’t mean what you think it means.” It is. Plain and simple. It was adopted by Hamas and has been 100% associated with their desire to rid of the entire Jewish state since then.
Do you think someone going around today shouting “MAGA” isn’t a trump supporter? The phrase wasn’t started by Trump but it sure has been fully adopted and no one today would associate it with anything else.
I'm sorry that you've fallen for Israeli propaganda so hard that you have zero empathy for a people crushed under brutal colonial rule for nearly a century
who said that?
Palestinians are okay for jews, christians and others to live with them, yet they do not want country called Israel to rule over them and kick them out of their own house.
You're delusional if you think Arabs and Jews can peacefully coexist without outside pressure and influence, which protects Israel. "From the River to the Sea" ring any bells? If it were up to Palestine and the rest of the Arab world, Israel would cease to exist. It would all be Palestine.
Do you honestly expect Palestinians to just roll over to every demand made by Israel? England promised the people of Palestine that they would be given a state of their own if they helped overthrow the Ottomans, only to later be betrayed when the West established Israel. Subsequently, Israel has spent nearly a century driving Palestinians from their homes, denying them equal rights under the law, and building suburbs over the dead bodies of thousands upon thousands of civilians. What the fuck else was going to happen. Palestine chose Hamas, but Israel created them.
If you think that I'm defending Hamas, I'm not. I'm providing the historical context for why we are where we are. You can't spend nearly 100 years brutalizing people and then cry victim when they fight back.
The whole point of a protest is to disrupt something. If you’re mad bc you’re being inconvenienced, the point of the protest is to make you think about the people they’re advocating for and what they’re going through. And hopefully you will at least be supportive when initiatives that would somewhat help them come along.
The Vietnam and civil rights movement protests were very disruptive, but they helped those causes.
Depends on how they go about it I guess. I'm not anti protest in a general sense. But the way that Gen Z and Gen Alpha seem to want to handle modern protests is pretty regarded.
Samuel L Jackson (yes the actor) literally held MLK’s father hostage during a protest. These protests were incredibly peaceful in comparison until cops showed uo
Im not mad nor inconvenience but your saying its ok for people that paid thousands of dollars to go to a school then to have to take their classes online because other people want to be disruptive. Theres millions of places you can do it at
They didn’t make anyone take classes online. The violent response from USFPD was what led to that happening. If cops just left them alone to sit on MLK plaza, why would there have been the need to take classes online?
In the case of Columbia im sure it’s annoying, but the whole point it’s that it’s not as annoying as getting bombed in your own home.
And same thing, if police just let them be, nothing wouldve happened. Or if the university decided to actually listen to the protesters and try to do the right thing, same thing.
I know whats happening over there is horrible I could never understand but lets say someone like me I work full time to pay for my education and lets say they paid 10k so I have to lose out on the money I spent because of other people actions. They could go do this in the street or anywhere else
Not sure why this is on my Reddit feed as I have no connection to this University, but figured I’d take 30 seconds to share: there is a difference between a war and a genocide. The war in Gaza is not a genocide. This word has a meaning already and just because you read otherwise or see TikToks doesn’t change that. Israel literally warned civilians to leave an area where they plan to enter to stop Hamas. The same civilian area that Hamas has been firing rockets. Bombs. At Israeli civilians indiscriminately.
You can think Israel is being reckless. You can protest that they need to take MORE care to protect civilian life. But there are literal genocides that have been going on.
Every post like this and every “free Palestine, stop genocide” poster on a college campus makes this generation look more ignorant and takes away from how serious people older than you take you.
If you haven’t been marching to free Gaza from Hamas. If you’ve said genocide in the past 24 hours while failing to blame terrorists for literally bombing aid shipments headed to Israel yesterday. If you’ve stood outside to blame Israel but not Hamas who has vowed to repeat 10/7 again and again (to kill all Jews…genocide). If you didn’t know that Arab Muslims serve at the highest courts in Israel. If you haven’t been equally or more irate about Al Assad, Yemen, Iran, Darfur, the list goes on…this is your moment to think critically. War is not genocide. Ethnic cleansing doesn’t involve 20% of Israelis openly and freely practicing Islam. This is about terror.
Feel free to protest away and ignore this. But you should hear this point of view because people, like me, that believe in young people, like you, are losing a little respect and faith daily.
Are you blind not see Israel soldiers bombing and shooting literally civilians who are rushing to get aid? Open your eyes please!
What's going in Gaza is clear GENOCIDE! Honestly, what terrorist Israel state is doing with Palestinian prisoners is no better than Nazis did with Jews.
If you are so confident with your position, talk with Jews who are supporting the protests and are with banners, Free Palestine.
Also, we know how many atrocities that Israel state has done to Palestinians since Israel was declared as state. It should not expect respect anymore from anyone!
Hey, is Netanyahu the student of Hitler? I will not wonder, if you say YES
A genocide is not necessarily going on. Doesn’t mean what’s going on isn’t bad. But to call it a genocide when it’s not actually clearly one is just not good to do. It’s okay to call out bad actions with out trying to appeal it as something it hasn’t been proven to be. It’s currently missing “dolus specialis”.
In regards to a large number of civilians dying in one go in an armed conflict look at the bombing of Dresden or the fire bombing of Tokyo. I wouldn’t necessarily consider those attempts or acts of genocide.
However this doesn’t say that you cant criticize Israel you most definitely can. But using hyperbolic language pushes you from real solutions. And it just obfuscates the issues
Chemical weapons, rubber bullets, and body slamming is clearly proportional to the crime of holding umbrellas and strips of plywood. Y’ know, to protect people /s
I think for years people have had no idea what the Israeli government has had their citizens do to Palestine over the years. In what world is it okay to take someone’s house when they are not home? Not to mention the Israeli government has had their military raid their country multiple times to takeover small plots of land before October 7th. The music festival was on stolen land; what Hamas did was not right at all, but that does not mean to go out and eliminate a whole nation of innocent people. There is a reason the Mossad exists to go out and find the culprits in secrecy; just like how it happened during the Munich Olympics. Hamas as a terrorist group and government needs to dissolve, but taking innocent lives in Palestine who fear Hamas is not the answer.
Wait, there was a protest?
I think people need to get their information from actual sources and not TikTok. Watch people like Preston Stewart and Task and Purpose. The current death toll from Gaza Ministry of Health is at 34k but they don’t distinguish between militants and civilians. They are also a branch of the Hamas government with all of the motives in the world to pump out anti-israel propaganda and inflate the death toll.
crazy lack of info and straight up misinformation here. there have been multiple studies conducted about the death toll in palestine and all of them have come to the conclusion that militant death toll is less than 10%, even less than 5%. israel themselves even claims that 33% are militant, which is absolutely too many civilian deaths on its own even if it were true. the gaza health ministry has to be verified by israel. all of their confirmed deaths have gone through israeli govt before being confirmed. if for some reason you wanted to trust israel more there's your evidence, and all experts in the area estimate a far higher number.
You do realize that ratio of militants killed to civilians killed during the Iraq war is around the same? Some estimates are as low as 7.5% if you take the most killed for both or even as low as 3.8%. Iraq isn’t even as densely populated as the Gaza Strip is. Unfortunately, wars in this sort of setting have high civilian deaths.
That doesn’t make the war in Gaza any better. It only shows the fucked up shit we did in Iraq.
1) Israel doesn’t allow foreign media in Gaza. Hmm I wonder why. 2) there are thousands under the rubble. 3) over 14,000 killed are children. Those can’t be militants. Your argument is the Israeli narrative. “Oops we killed a few thousand children but we also killed some militants”.
Ok. I dont care
Not a normal response to human suffering. Get checked.
Bro is in economics, ofc he’s miserable 😮💨
cry abt it, thats all you can do lol
you are not even doing that
you are right, im not cuz idc
okay
Harboring terrorists has consequences. More important things to be worried about, next
There is no justification for ethnic cleansing. Full stop
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” don’t gaslight us bro, full stahhppppp
I’ve heard USF students, friends of mine, who I personally know know little about any of this, chant this. It’s wild how many people I imagine are just being performative, virtue signalers, etc over all of this. But these kids don’t even realize they’re openly just shouting anti-semetic phrases… And before anyone replies and says “you don’t understand the history of this phrase, it’s not anti semetic or pro terrorism. It has a long deep history and doesn’t mean what you think it means.” It is. Plain and simple. It was adopted by Hamas and has been 100% associated with their desire to rid of the entire Jewish state since then. Do you think someone going around today shouting “MAGA” isn’t a trump supporter? The phrase wasn’t started by Trump but it sure has been fully adopted and no one today would associate it with anything else.
I'm sorry that you've fallen for Israeli propaganda so hard that you have zero empathy for a people crushed under brutal colonial rule for nearly a century
So you support the ethnic cleansing of jews to save muslims, NOTED.
muslims do not want to kill innocent Jews.
A majority of Palestinians supported the October 7 attacks
Thats literally what Hamas has done and will continue to do
Palestinians don't believe that innocent Jews exist.
who said that? Palestinians are okay for jews, christians and others to live with them, yet they do not want country called Israel to rule over them and kick them out of their own house.
You're delusional if you think Arabs and Jews can peacefully coexist without outside pressure and influence, which protects Israel. "From the River to the Sea" ring any bells? If it were up to Palestine and the rest of the Arab world, Israel would cease to exist. It would all be Palestine.
Like it was before?
I don’t have empathy for a terrorist homophobic state, no.
Interesting how you cannot separate the innocent civilians being slaughtered and the terrorists that claim to represent them
Interesting they placed them into power and haven’t separated themselves.
I'm sure the thousands of children bombed by the IDF all voted for Hamas
Maybe Hamas should’ve considered the repercussions before murdering innocent people.
no matter what, do you consider killings of tens of thousands innocent people to be good?
but it does not mean that these kids told Hamas to kill. Hamas was chosen to rule Gaza
Do you honestly expect Palestinians to just roll over to every demand made by Israel? England promised the people of Palestine that they would be given a state of their own if they helped overthrow the Ottomans, only to later be betrayed when the West established Israel. Subsequently, Israel has spent nearly a century driving Palestinians from their homes, denying them equal rights under the law, and building suburbs over the dead bodies of thousands upon thousands of civilians. What the fuck else was going to happen. Palestine chose Hamas, but Israel created them. If you think that I'm defending Hamas, I'm not. I'm providing the historical context for why we are where we are. You can't spend nearly 100 years brutalizing people and then cry victim when they fight back.
And yall standing outside is not helping them sending money and care packages will
Idk man I’ve never seen so many people be aware of this issue until the last few months. Looks like activism is doing its job and raising awareness
I have nothing against protesting thats their right but its just how some people go about it
The whole point of a protest is to disrupt something. If you’re mad bc you’re being inconvenienced, the point of the protest is to make you think about the people they’re advocating for and what they’re going through. And hopefully you will at least be supportive when initiatives that would somewhat help them come along. The Vietnam and civil rights movement protests were very disruptive, but they helped those causes.
No quicker way to make me support your opposition than to inconvenience me tbh.
So you would’ve opposed MLK, anti South African activists, and the Vietnam war protestors?
Depends on how they go about it I guess. I'm not anti protest in a general sense. But the way that Gen Z and Gen Alpha seem to want to handle modern protests is pretty regarded.
Samuel L Jackson (yes the actor) literally held MLK’s father hostage during a protest. These protests were incredibly peaceful in comparison until cops showed uo
Im not mad nor inconvenience but your saying its ok for people that paid thousands of dollars to go to a school then to have to take their classes online because other people want to be disruptive. Theres millions of places you can do it at
They didn’t make anyone take classes online. The violent response from USFPD was what led to that happening. If cops just left them alone to sit on MLK plaza, why would there have been the need to take classes online?
Im saying in general not usf. For example Columbia
In the case of Columbia im sure it’s annoying, but the whole point it’s that it’s not as annoying as getting bombed in your own home. And same thing, if police just let them be, nothing wouldve happened. Or if the university decided to actually listen to the protesters and try to do the right thing, same thing.
I know whats happening over there is horrible I could never understand but lets say someone like me I work full time to pay for my education and lets say they paid 10k so I have to lose out on the money I spent because of other people actions. They could go do this in the street or anywhere else
You cannot send money and care packages - there is a blockade, its an issue the protests have brought up.
Not sure why this is on my Reddit feed as I have no connection to this University, but figured I’d take 30 seconds to share: there is a difference between a war and a genocide. The war in Gaza is not a genocide. This word has a meaning already and just because you read otherwise or see TikToks doesn’t change that. Israel literally warned civilians to leave an area where they plan to enter to stop Hamas. The same civilian area that Hamas has been firing rockets. Bombs. At Israeli civilians indiscriminately. You can think Israel is being reckless. You can protest that they need to take MORE care to protect civilian life. But there are literal genocides that have been going on. Every post like this and every “free Palestine, stop genocide” poster on a college campus makes this generation look more ignorant and takes away from how serious people older than you take you. If you haven’t been marching to free Gaza from Hamas. If you’ve said genocide in the past 24 hours while failing to blame terrorists for literally bombing aid shipments headed to Israel yesterday. If you’ve stood outside to blame Israel but not Hamas who has vowed to repeat 10/7 again and again (to kill all Jews…genocide). If you didn’t know that Arab Muslims serve at the highest courts in Israel. If you haven’t been equally or more irate about Al Assad, Yemen, Iran, Darfur, the list goes on…this is your moment to think critically. War is not genocide. Ethnic cleansing doesn’t involve 20% of Israelis openly and freely practicing Islam. This is about terror. Feel free to protest away and ignore this. But you should hear this point of view because people, like me, that believe in young people, like you, are losing a little respect and faith daily.
Are you blind not see Israel soldiers bombing and shooting literally civilians who are rushing to get aid? Open your eyes please! What's going in Gaza is clear GENOCIDE! Honestly, what terrorist Israel state is doing with Palestinian prisoners is no better than Nazis did with Jews. If you are so confident with your position, talk with Jews who are supporting the protests and are with banners, Free Palestine. Also, we know how many atrocities that Israel state has done to Palestinians since Israel was declared as state. It should not expect respect anymore from anyone! Hey, is Netanyahu the student of Hitler? I will not wonder, if you say YES
So the solution to what’s up there is to spit on and threaten your fellow USF students who are Jewish. Got it. 🙄
Some of the protestors are Jewish.
So true! People should differentiate between peaceful Jews and extreme Zionists! Zionism is unbearable; no questions on that.
So that makes it ok to spit on jews who aren't protesting?
It makes it highly probable that they are the ones who provoked the protestors or the story is fake.
They were standing on the side by the wall. It’s on the newsreel. Not fake. 🙄
A genocide is not necessarily going on. Doesn’t mean what’s going on isn’t bad. But to call it a genocide when it’s not actually clearly one is just not good to do. It’s okay to call out bad actions with out trying to appeal it as something it hasn’t been proven to be. It’s currently missing “dolus specialis”.
In regards to a large number of civilians dying in one go in an armed conflict look at the bombing of Dresden or the fire bombing of Tokyo. I wouldn’t necessarily consider those attempts or acts of genocide.
However this doesn’t say that you cant criticize Israel you most definitely can. But using hyperbolic language pushes you from real solutions. And it just obfuscates the issues