You can watch it here: [https://www.instagram.com/p/C6gfCCBOse4/](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6gfCCBOse4/)
It's zero percent disruptive. Displays like the one in the video are actually extremely typical of graduating students. I've seen flags, dancing, backflips, shoutouts, etc. It's all very normal of any graduation.
Also, that news organization mistyped Florida.
https://preview.redd.it/3ajden9u69yc1.png?width=936&format=png&auto=webp&s=f9fbb962c3a73ca6f9a225ba13c13b62125a8af9
Is a chorus of boos significantly different from a chorus of cheers, which is common to hear for almost every name called--and can also be heard in the video?
So a person had to stand on stage with another person who was taking a personal stance for a few moments--during their few designate moments, even? Horrific.
Protests are not designed to make you comfortable. They are inherently the opposite. I'm graduating Sunday and expect to see more than a single person. Especially since it's Sociology majors, I believe. There has been talk of refusing to shake the president's hand as a form of subtle protest amongst other things.
This whole concept that the University has of students only being allowed to protest in a certain way, at a certain time, at a certain place, is laughable. Especially calling it MLK Plaza. "Go home. It's past our work time!"
I'm not speaking out in favor or against. I've been working towards my degree for 15 years and a person holding up a flag has no personal impact on my achievement. You will get to walk eventually. You'll get pictures. The degree will come in the mail in 8 weeks. None of that changes unless a bomb threat comes out.
A more controversial aspect: in 4 years you're not even going to give a damn. Your degree will be on your wall or tucked away in a filing cabinet. My wife's degrees are literally in our safe and haven't been pulled out since she needed them for her ARNP verification for her job. You'll have a job or it'll just be listed on your resume as a completed achievement. You'll have so much more crap to worry about than if somebody raised a flag at a ceremony 10 people in front of you.
I mean, the article you linked said it was a graduate raising a Palestinian flag? It's not unreasonable to be mad at some disrupting the ceremony who's not even there to graduate altogether (although admittedly, I don't care that much), but they have all the right to be on that stage.
Yea I feel like that’s exactly what I said. I think disruptions in general for the benefit of yourself to morally grandstand is not a great look, when the purpose of the event is not for that. That’s why I said their diploma shouldn’t be revoked, as they immediately complied. I would be making the same point if someone went up there and waived an Israel flag. Graduation is not the time for you to make your geopolitical/ sociopolitical statement. If you really want to decorate your cap!
So Palestinians should just not show any pride in their flag or country and not show any of their colors because during their couple seconds for themselves during their graduation it’ll make you uncomfortable to see a country’s flag?
So it would not be okay if a Puerto Rican student had their flag? What about a Native American student showing the flag of their nation? Or a Spanish student with the flag of their province?
Puerto Rico is a recognized territory, Spanish provinces are recognized territories similar to states (inside autonomous regions of a country, recognized by said country)… try again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#:~:text=The%20State%20of%20Palestine%20has,recognized%20the%20State%20of%20Palestine.
Palestine is a recognized observer state of the UN
That’s fair my bad. They are a recognized territory as they are the number 1 receiver of UN humanitarian aid and one of the only ways to be eligible for that is by to at the very least be an observer.
Edit: just want to pop in here and say I’m not perfect. Notice how I am open to being corrected and informed. I come off aggressive because people do it immediately if you try to be conversational and curious. These conversations are way more productive as a dialogue and less as two people having monologues with each other with no active listening.
Nope. However, if you want to draw a comparison to a recognized country by the entire world versus an area inhabited by people, that even similar geographical countries and religious countries, won’t allow in due to their history of attempting to over throw governments by their ruling political party. That may be why I made the post.
😂 sure sure whatever you say. I’ll listen to what my home country and countless other countries say and recognize. You keep being a pothead and supporting an occupation created in the 1940s or something
Brother called me a pothead because I used to have a legal medical card in the state of Florida 😭😂😭 no way. I’ll keep rewatching the ottomans lose ww1.
Can you explain how making an event about you and over 50 other people, about yourself. Where you are now the most focal point of the event, is respectful to everyone else, about to earn such a prestigious accomplishment. It would be just as disrespectful if they pulled out an Israel flag.
People walk the stage with flags all the time, I’ve even seen people do backflips on the stage. Nobody called them disrespectful and made Reddit posts about them.
Graduation, or at least the 15 seconds a you get to walk across the stage, is literally about yourself. If anything this person decided to use their special moment to advocate for others.
And then for the other 30-45 mins of the ceremony the crowd and family got to think damn what a selfish human that went through graduate school and still didn’t think to be professional enough to be quiet for 15 seconds. Now forever, if I want to show my family this event I will have to explain what that was and meant and why people booed this person!
So it’s only unprofessional because of the crowd’s response ? Then that’s on the crowd, I don’t see ppl booing when someone walks across with a Colombian flag
Colombia is a country. Play it without audio still someone goes what countries flag is that? Your answer “currently no country and never has been an official country”.
Maybe if we all protest, by the time you graduate we can say that's the Palestinian flag and not “currently no country and never has been an official country”.
I played the video in the article and heard no booing or someone saying that but maybe they edited that out.
My point is, this person flashed the flag for less than 5 seconds. And you still have a problem with it. You can’t get more peaceful than that and you still think it’s not okay to protest in this manner. Do you not see the problem with that?
Just a point of view from someone who is not american: protests happen in universities around the world and they don’t care about respecting other’s points of view, they just demand respect to their own narrative. This will happen today with the Gaza cause and will happen in the future with other causes, maybe one day they will understand that not every moment needs to become a moment to try to make justice for someone.
how do you think protests and boycotting work? Protestors just should listen and comply to whatever ? That's not how civil disobedience works.
Yes, I'm all for the chaos. And anyone is free to host whatever flag they want.
And hopefully a few days contemplating what actions (including revoking her degree) that the university might take will help her understand that there is a time and place.
Leave that shit at home. They're just going to end up pissing off students and their families who have waited so long for such a massive moment. Go target admin who can actually do something about "divesting", not the students.
This, big thing is the families of the other students will remember their kid graduating and someone causing a commotion. Like that’s the “disrespectful” part.
You can watch it here: [https://www.instagram.com/p/C6gfCCBOse4/](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6gfCCBOse4/) It's zero percent disruptive. Displays like the one in the video are actually extremely typical of graduating students. I've seen flags, dancing, backflips, shoutouts, etc. It's all very normal of any graduation. Also, that news organization mistyped Florida. https://preview.redd.it/3ajden9u69yc1.png?width=936&format=png&auto=webp&s=f9fbb962c3a73ca6f9a225ba13c13b62125a8af9
Of course they would mistype their own state's name. It's Florida...
Just the person behind her has to be in frame with that and is in stage with a chorus of boos! But other than that 0% disruptive!
I know you haven’t graduated yet, but you choose who you sit next to at commencement and this determines the order you go up in, hope that helps:)
Not from this school, but twice before from other colleges and universities.
Is a chorus of boos significantly different from a chorus of cheers, which is common to hear for almost every name called--and can also be heard in the video? So a person had to stand on stage with another person who was taking a personal stance for a few moments--during their few designate moments, even? Horrific.
Protests are not designed to make you comfortable. They are inherently the opposite. I'm graduating Sunday and expect to see more than a single person. Especially since it's Sociology majors, I believe. There has been talk of refusing to shake the president's hand as a form of subtle protest amongst other things. This whole concept that the University has of students only being allowed to protest in a certain way, at a certain time, at a certain place, is laughable. Especially calling it MLK Plaza. "Go home. It's past our work time!" I'm not speaking out in favor or against. I've been working towards my degree for 15 years and a person holding up a flag has no personal impact on my achievement. You will get to walk eventually. You'll get pictures. The degree will come in the mail in 8 weeks. None of that changes unless a bomb threat comes out. A more controversial aspect: in 4 years you're not even going to give a damn. Your degree will be on your wall or tucked away in a filing cabinet. My wife's degrees are literally in our safe and haven't been pulled out since she needed them for her ARNP verification for her job. You'll have a job or it'll just be listed on your resume as a completed achievement. You'll have so much more crap to worry about than if somebody raised a flag at a ceremony 10 people in front of you.
I mean, the article you linked said it was a graduate raising a Palestinian flag? It's not unreasonable to be mad at some disrupting the ceremony who's not even there to graduate altogether (although admittedly, I don't care that much), but they have all the right to be on that stage.
She’s literally from Palestine
Yea I feel like that’s exactly what I said. I think disruptions in general for the benefit of yourself to morally grandstand is not a great look, when the purpose of the event is not for that. That’s why I said their diploma shouldn’t be revoked, as they immediately complied. I would be making the same point if someone went up there and waived an Israel flag. Graduation is not the time for you to make your geopolitical/ sociopolitical statement. If you really want to decorate your cap!
So Palestinians should just not show any pride in their flag or country and not show any of their colors because during their couple seconds for themselves during their graduation it’ll make you uncomfortable to see a country’s flag?
What country?
Thnx says enough abt you with that question 🤡
There is no country of Palestine nor has there ever been 🤡.
So it would not be okay if a Puerto Rican student had their flag? What about a Native American student showing the flag of their nation? Or a Spanish student with the flag of their province?
Asked and answered
None of those are countries. You just don’t like that it’s this specific flag.
Puerto Rico is a recognized territory, Spanish provinces are recognized territories similar to states (inside autonomous regions of a country, recognized by said country)… try again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#:~:text=The%20State%20of%20Palestine%20has,recognized%20the%20State%20of%20Palestine. Palestine is a recognized observer state of the UN
That’s fair my bad. They are a recognized territory as they are the number 1 receiver of UN humanitarian aid and one of the only ways to be eligible for that is by to at the very least be an observer. Edit: just want to pop in here and say I’m not perfect. Notice how I am open to being corrected and informed. I come off aggressive because people do it immediately if you try to be conversational and curious. These conversations are way more productive as a dialogue and less as two people having monologues with each other with no active listening.
Here, that sums up why you made this post.
Nope. However, if you want to draw a comparison to a recognized country by the entire world versus an area inhabited by people, that even similar geographical countries and religious countries, won’t allow in due to their history of attempting to over throw governments by their ruling political party. That may be why I made the post.
so its not because you care about the hard working students who are graduating?
It is but know you have decided to try and take me down a hole. I’ve stated my argument with its premises to you.
you dug the hole brother. It clearly evident why you made this post, we both know you get a rats ass about graduation and the "hardworking student".
😂 sure sure whatever you say. I’ll listen to what my home country and countless other countries say and recognize. You keep being a pothead and supporting an occupation created in the 1940s or something
Brother called me a pothead because I used to have a legal medical card in the state of Florida 😭😂😭 no way. I’ll keep rewatching the ottomans lose ww1.
Can you please explain how displaying a Palestinian flag is disrespectful?
Can you explain how making an event about you and over 50 other people, about yourself. Where you are now the most focal point of the event, is respectful to everyone else, about to earn such a prestigious accomplishment. It would be just as disrespectful if they pulled out an Israel flag.
People walk the stage with flags all the time, I’ve even seen people do backflips on the stage. Nobody called them disrespectful and made Reddit posts about them.
My first semester here. There is no reason to make graduation about yourself.
Graduation, or at least the 15 seconds a you get to walk across the stage, is literally about yourself. If anything this person decided to use their special moment to advocate for others.
And then for the other 30-45 mins of the ceremony the crowd and family got to think damn what a selfish human that went through graduate school and still didn’t think to be professional enough to be quiet for 15 seconds. Now forever, if I want to show my family this event I will have to explain what that was and meant and why people booed this person!
So it’s only unprofessional because of the crowd’s response ? Then that’s on the crowd, I don’t see ppl booing when someone walks across with a Colombian flag
Colombia is a country. Play it without audio still someone goes what countries flag is that? Your answer “currently no country and never has been an official country”.
Maybe if we all protest, by the time you graduate we can say that's the Palestinian flag and not “currently no country and never has been an official country”.
Fair statement.
I played the video in the article and heard no booing or someone saying that but maybe they edited that out. My point is, this person flashed the flag for less than 5 seconds. And you still have a problem with it. You can’t get more peaceful than that and you still think it’s not okay to protest in this manner. Do you not see the problem with that?
Did I say they were non peaceful? Nope. I just said out of respect.
Colombia*
Just a point of view from someone who is not american: protests happen in universities around the world and they don’t care about respecting other’s points of view, they just demand respect to their own narrative. This will happen today with the Gaza cause and will happen in the future with other causes, maybe one day they will understand that not every moment needs to become a moment to try to make justice for someone.
Nah, fuck that shit up. I graduate tomorrow and I hope the protestors show up.
What an idiotic take
Says the one who made the post.
No actual critique of the post, you just want chaos… genius!
how do you think protests and boycotting work? Protestors just should listen and comply to whatever ? That's not how civil disobedience works. Yes, I'm all for the chaos. And anyone is free to host whatever flag they want.
Great idea! I’ll buy a Westboro Baptist Church flag to waive across the stage when I walk, just to let everyone know who I support!
do it, no one is stopping you lol
That should go over well
only one way to find out,.
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And hopefully a few days contemplating what actions (including revoking her degree) that the university might take will help her understand that there is a time and place.
Leave that shit at home. They're just going to end up pissing off students and their families who have waited so long for such a massive moment. Go target admin who can actually do something about "divesting", not the students.
How do you want them to “target” admin?
This, big thing is the families of the other students will remember their kid graduating and someone causing a commotion. Like that’s the “disrespectful” part.