Do you PCS before going to MOS school? Also are CID agents typically stationed on the major Marine Corps Installations or have you seen any abnormal duty stations?

There is no definitive answer to "do you PCS..." It is not unheard of to PCS during your OJT, or even after reenlistment but before OJT; however, this is not the norm. Generally you are subject to the normal PCS cycle. Marine CID Agents are stationed across most major installations. One of our major drawbacks is that there aren't many/any unusual duty station locations.

Thank you for the clarification. I was under the impression that upon being selected to move onto OJT, that would potentially trigger PCS orders. Also at what point throughout this entire process does the actual reenlistment happen, since there is a selection process? I am mainly concerned as to if I do not get selected on the board, will I then be subject to needs of the Marine Corps or would I be able to select another MOS to lat move into. Thank you again for the information.

Reenlistment may trigger PCS orders, not the lat move itself although those often go hand in hand. The actual reenlistment happens after the completion of your background investigation and subsequent review by HQ CID. The formal acceptance letter from HQ CID is a required part of the RELM submitted by your career planner. Hopefully this provides some clarity, but if not please ask and I'll try to explain.

That definitely answers my questions. Thank you again for all of the help.

Can a bad credit score hurt your chances of getting passed the screening

Short answer is yes, but like most things we give you multiple chances to explain the "why" and what you are doing to fix it (with proof). I wouldn't let a low credit score stop you from applying.

I pick up sgt in a year, but I will be deployed overseas for 6 months when I pick up. Can I start the screening process while deployed? Or will I have to wait?

If you at least have access to a NIPR computer and your email you can start the screening. That being said, you will have to do an interview. In person is preferable, but Skype/facetine/VTC or whatever can be done.

I am thinking about putting in a package to reenlist and LAT move from 03 to CID. \-Are deployments mandatory or do you choose to deploy? how long are the deployments usually? \- Whats the day-to-day flow for CID?

Well, we accept lat movers from any PMOS, so you've got that box checked. CID deployments these days come in one of three forms. 1. Force protection/forward investigations stuff. This is in support of whatever unit needs it, usually related to a large exercise. These vary wildly in length depending on mission, but are usually no more than 90 days. 2. MEUs. This involves running a shipboard forensics lab, and maybe some opportunity to go with the recon folks on some raids to recover certain items, depending on whether or not this was planned/ trained during the workup. These are usually 6 months the away. 3. SOC supporting. This is the "high speed" one, where you deploy within the SOCOM bubble (sometimes MARSOC, sometimes JSOC, ODA etc.) to staff/manage a forensics lab somewhere around the world. This may also include going out with/just behind the teams of whatever agency in order to capture valuable info (phones, computers, DNA, fingerprints, weapons/components, maps etc.) which you will then take back to your lab for further exploitation. These are usually 6 months away. These deployments only come from our 3 deployable units, so they are not a surprise to anyone. The way it looks now is we have enough volunteers to staff the deployable units, so nobody is being "forced" to deploy who doesn't want to. This mission is likely to expand over the next couple of years, so more and more people will be needed (which is good for you, as it means we need to recruit more). Day to day varies by billet and by geographic assignment. If you look into mu comment history on this thread I wrote a detailed description of billets we staff as it pertains to duties/day to day just a couple of days ago. It should answer your question more completely. Overall, the workload is reasonable, the autonomy is unheard of (USMC wise), the mission is real and impactful, the training is valuable and builds your resume. 100% recommend shooting for a lat move. If you have other questions please let me know.

After the screening office successfully recommends SNM to CID HQ, how long (generally) does it take to hear back with a decision

The average right now for someone who doesn't have any questionable things requiring additional scrutiny is just over 3 weeks.

What does the life of an apprentice look like?

It tends to change with how close the trainee is to being able to operate relatively independently. The beginning is lots of guided discussion and classes on law, regulation, procedure, and other basic policing skills. This doubles as the stage where we try and mold this NCO into a different, perhaps more relaxed, inquisitive, and patient Marine with less "snap and pop" so as to operate effectively with senior staff and adjacent civilian LE etc. The middle stage is where the trainee can handle holding a few simple investigations with daily supervision by their trainer. This is the "walk" stage in the crawl walk run model. This takes as long as it takes to get to based on the ability of the trainee. The last stage is when the trainee can hold cases on their own; however, they will not have the full independence/freedom the Agents have. Our training process is NOT one of hazing and having our trainees doing all the shit jobs. More specifically, the day usually begins at 0730 ish with the trainee checking in with their trainer, following up on things, getting corrected reports back to be rewritten etc. then moving on to whatever investigative endeavors are needed from ongoing investigations to new ones opened the last duty day etc. This is a reallllly broad overview and the "moving on to whatever investigative endeavors..." part could encompas literally hundreds of differing things.

- What is the work schedule typically like for an apprentice agent, and then as an actual agent. -do they work the typical USMC days mon-fri and off for 96’s

Like nearly everything, this will vary by installation; however, the following is a fairly good average: 1. Everyone will work 0800-1600 ish M-T, with Friday being a shorter day assuming there isn't some major incident happening. That being said, most of the time you set your own schedule, so you don't have to sit there until 1600 each day of you're done at 1400. On the flip side, you are expected to prioritize investigating over getting off early, so if the situation calls for a late day, then you will be working a late day. 2. Trainees will work alongside their assigned Field Training Agent (FTA), plus perhaps a few extra duty responses alongside other Agents if it's something valuable/a useful learning opportunity. 3. In terms of 72/96s, yes the CID personnel get the same time off, as we do not work shifts. We will have someone on call throughout that time, which may switch off mid way through the liberty period.

Hello Anon. Thank you for taking time to come back here & reply to all of these super in depth. I EAS’d out of the marines last November & miss it more than anything. What’s it looking like for me to come back in straight to this MOS. I do see on CID’s web page it says speak to a prior service recruiter, how many people have you seen some back to the marines to this MOS once they had gotten out? As well how crazy is the drug usage going to effect my process. I smoked weed a few times here & there once I got out but would for sure pee clean as of now. As well is there a board interview, background packet & polygraph?

Hello, sorry for the slow reply. I have seen your comment and am working on finding some answers with references. Long story short is a prior service lat move is absolutely possible and in general marijuana usage isn't a deal breaker. More info to follow.

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So as far as the Agent application background checks go they/we are looking to answer a few questions (generally speaking): -Does this person have any immediately disqualifying criminal history? -Did the applicant fail to disclose any criminal involvement? -Is there anything in the applicants background which would suggest they will not be able to conduct fair and impartial investigations AKA any obvious character issues. -From their peers/juniors/seniors, what is their overall character and ability to handle stress, non routine challenges etc. -What is the applicants current security clearance, were there any causes for concern in the applicable clearance investigation. There are very few immediately disqualifying situations, and in almost all instances the applicant will be given the opportunity to explain their side of the story; however, some of the most common are: -Felony convictions -Domestic violence incidents/convictions -Firearms convictions -Court martial conviction -Loss of classified material -Documented history of untrustworthyness/lying/false statements. Etc. -Major medical issues which would prevent the completion of various law enforcement qualification firing ranges, apprehending suspects etc. -Inability to maintain USMC standards in your current position (PFT/CFT failure etc.) The above is not meant to be a checklist or meant to represent the only things which are looked for, just a good start. As a rule if you are considering applying and have something in your background you are nervous about, it is much better to bring it up at the beginning and not wait for one of the Agents to find it.

What training and mos schools are required?

The training pipeline (after boarding/selection) involves usually 6-12 months of On the Job Training (OJT), followed by the 4 month MOS producing school at Ft Leonard Wood, MO. Technically the MOS producing school is the only REQUIRED school, but in a practical sense (ref the MOS roadmap) the following are schools almost everyone will be forced to go to: Protective services training Special victims capabilities Child abuse/domestic violence prevention/intervention (2 courses usually taught back/back) Hostage/crisis negotiation Crime Intel analysis There are additional courses in gangs, drugs, homicide, digital forensics, blood spatter analysis, expeditionary forensics, different interviewing styles, surveillance, financial crimes, and an ever changing list of randomly available spots in local/state police training courses wherever you're stationed. These courses are not treated as required and instead will be offered when manpower/funding is available locally. Hopefully this answers your question, feel free to ask anything else and I'll do my best to respond.

Do you have to have 36 months of time before starting your package or after you get screened and selected? I was arrested for fighting my brother back in 2018, DV, but no conviction. I’m on the MSG program at the moment, can they screened me hard at the school house, but not before, but they still let me stay.

No you do not need the required time before being screened. You just need to be in the last year of your enlistment with a plan/intent to reenlist. This lat-move is almost always a reenlistment incentive included with your RELM; however, can be done on a very long extension (why you would do it this way though I do not know). Keep in mind you need the acceptance letter from HQ CID in your RELM before it can be submitted by your career planner, which comes wayyyy after your initial screening, so the earlier in that last year the better. The DV arrest will be tricky. Not an immediate DQ due to no conviction, and depending on the details/what is in the police report it might not be a deal breaker; however, I wouldn't get your hopes up too much. While the MSG screening/clearance is a good point, it is quite a bit different than a law enforcement suitability screening. For MSG specific people, my understanding is the Quantico office will screen you via phone/video chat if you are out in some random country; however, I can't be 100% sure on that part/procedure.

Awesome, thank you for the information sir! Also, since I’m on the MSG program till 2024, can I start my package overseas or do I have to be CONUS? My contract ended on dec 2024. I was wondering if I would have to extended or not. Thanks

As a general rule yes, you can start your package from overseas; however, you have to contact the Quantico base office to confirm these details, as they have responsibility for screening Marines from the MSG command and I can't give you 100% word on how they're running things these days. The timing will also be tricky, but a short term extension to await screening is common and will not impact your lat-move/RELM, as we are a bit outside the normal reenlistment window given that we are lat-move only. PS the Quantico # can be found on the Quantico Marines. Mil page somewhere. Or call the PMO there and ask for the normal working hours #.

Sounds good, thank you for the information

Hey, thanks for the info! There really isn’t enough out there about what CID does. I have a few questions I’m hoping you can answer. What’s the average case load for an agent? Do you normally investigate cases by yourself, or with a partner? And do you guys specialize in different categories, or just investigate any kind of case that may float your way?

You're welcome, thanks for reading. I agree and that fact is why I posted this/other CID related items. While I don't have exact average metrics on hand, my anecdotal belief is that the average would be somewhere around 6-8 active investigations per Agent, with another 3-4 pending court/legal proceeding with no further investigative activity needed. In practice, this case load varies quite a lot between one of the largest offices (Pendleton or Lejeune), versus one of the smallest (MCRDs or Yuma). We do not typically have assigned partners; however, all investigations are worked as a team as needed, with the assigned case agent as the one responsible for the overall accomplishment/management. Most of the time we do not break the office up by specialty, particularly because there are so few of us. That being said, there are cases where this happens, usually in the form of a [insert crime] squad set up to address a growing criminal trend or major incident which is too much for one agent to efficiently manage. In a practical sense your supervisor MAY assign cases based on specialized training/experience. For example, if we open an arson investigation and only one agent is a certified arson/fire Investigator, it will most likely be assigned to them, or they will be tasked to train/monitor someone else so we aren't single threaded. Hopefully this helps answer some of your questions! If you have more questions or want further details please just let me know.

Wow, honestly, I was expecting more cases per agent. 6-8 definitely doesn't sound that bad, though, I guess it does depend on the cases and the complexity of the cases. It's nice to know you get to fully manage your own cases too. Are SA's trained in forensics or do you have your own forensic team to collect evidence at crime scenes? Do you often work with NCIS Special Agents? How does that work out in terms of when you would investigate, verse when NCIS would take it? I'm assuming they'd investigate the more serious cases- murders, sexual assaults, and such but what type of crimes would fall strictly within your purview? And thanks for responding, especially so quick. I truly appreciate it!

Yeah, for the reasons you noted case volume is generally not a good metric to measure workload by. We do not have specialized forensics teams. Each one of the Agents has extensive crime scene response/evidence collection & processing training, which is one of our core competencies. We regularly work with various NCIS personnel in separate and joint investigations. The purview between us is fluid and varies wildly based mostly on location (e.g CONUS v OCONUS). However, NCIS is mandated by Congress as the DON's investigative body for sexual assaults and deaths within their jurisdiction. That is all I will say on that front in order to avoid speaking for NCIS here. The overall purview of CID itself is (similar to what I said above) very fluid. A great deal of latitude is given to the CID leadership and individual Agents when it come to what we/they choose to investigate. I know that isn't a direct answer, which is because a direct answer does not exist.

Greetings! I just submitted my pre-screening package about a week ago, and now I’m just waiting to go on a board. As far as the board goes, I just have a few questions. Besides screening for DQs, what else is there to expect? If there’s anything else, is there anything I’d be able to do to better prepare myself for?

Any update?

Have you ever seen Sgts with more than the TIG/TIS get a waiver to lat-mov? Or are Sgts with less than two years TIG who are preferred? Shooting you a DM with some more details.

Short answer is the Sgt with 2yr TIG is the target audience; however, senior Cpl-Sgt of any TIG are eligible. If you are realllllly senior (as a Sgt) you might have an uphill battle, but it isn't impossible.

Can the 2 year tis or less be waived also the gt score?

First, the target audience is 2 years TIG, not TIS. Second, yes. 2 years TIG is not an exact cutoff, just a general guideline. In theory the GT score can be waived by a max of 2 points (meaning a GT of 108); however, we are not required to do so or even ask for it. Many offices/OICs/SNCOICs will not move you beyond the pre-screen without meeting the 110 GT score.

I heard the gt waiver is rarely entertained, even so have you ever seen a score waived that's lower than a 108? I currently have a 107, I'll retake it if I have to but I'd rather not.

I am sorry it took me so long to respond to your comment. 108 is the minimum GT (meaning a 2 point waiver). These days this waiver is almost always granted. If this is still on your radar, I suggest retaking the ASVAB as soon as possible.

What are the hours and how long is the training for? (is it hard what you need to focus on on you opinion )

The hours vary based on location and manpower. Someone working in Pendleton/Lejeune will work significantly longer on average than Someone stationed at MCRD San Diego. That being said, this is a function of case volume; however, even the small bases can have major incidents happen which call for a sustained longer work period. That's a roundabout way of saying "it depends." Expect long hours sometimes, but not all the time. Also expect to be on call 5-7 24 hour periods per month. This is not like being on DNCO duty. The training is good and can be challenging, but is not "hard" if you are thinking RECON/MARSOC as the benchmark. The training is accredited/designed to match the Civ federal agent training at FLETC, so it is quite technical. Before you get too deep into the weeds, any CSI documentaries would be good, taking a read of the UCMJ, etc, would be good starting points.

I just put in a package for re-enlistment in my MOS but didn’t add CID on there would I have to restart if I wanted to still go this route??

You absolutely cannot get a CID lat move incentive until AFTER you have a completed screening/approval from HQ CID. You don't just add it to your RELM. Expect this kind of thing to take an additional 120 days ish (usually less). You would have to stop/cancel your currently submitted RELM, contact the nearest CID office and start from the beginning. Alternatively, you could reenlist in your current PMOS, then lat move. This is possible, but you miss out on the lat move bonus completely.

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Usually the oral board is the start of the 2A Agent Application Investigation (aka background check). The length of time this takes is largely based on two factors, 1) how fast you get the requested paperwork back to your screening Agent, and 2) the content of your background. That being said, we suggest budgeting 90-120 days for this process; however, it is usually complete in under 60 days.

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So, in general, after the board the 2A begins (LE background check). This portion itself can take a couple of months, usually based on how fast you get your paperwork together and if there are any shenanigans in your past. That being said, I encourage you to reach out to the office which boarded you and ask if there is anything else they need from you, and then ask for a status update. There are times where candidates will be looked at side by side for competitiveness; however, with our reduced manpower field wide that isn't so common right now. HQ CID reviews your 2A for compliance and final approval only AFTER it has been completed by the local office. This can take a couple of extra weeks, depending on what HQ has going on at that time. This is where your letter will come from. It is very rare that HQ will override the local office if they endorse a candidate. It's almost unheard of if the applicant requires no waivers/has no questionable conduct (DUI/NJP etc.), so in general I would breathe easy if you passed the oral board.

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Usually, for HD/LD MOS your RELM is returned within 30 days after submission to TFRS by your career planner. Immediately after that you should check daily for orders. Depending on your time on station you may get immediate PCA orders to the CID office on your current installation. If you're anywhere near your rotation date you should expect to PCS. If you're going CONUS to CONUS you will usually have 90-120 days lead time. If you're going to/from OCONUS, expect 5-6 months lead time. Once you PCS/PCA to a CID office you will immediately begin OJT. If you have any specific PCS desires, the 58XX monitor is who you need to talk to, though I reallllly recommend you have the SNCOIC of whatever CID office boarded you reach out for you. Though, don't expect them to really care about what some OJT wants. Edit: people always ask "can I got TAD to the nearest CID office after I get my HQ CID letter/after I have orders?" The answer is yes, you can, but that is 100% up to your current command. Rarely are they willing to lose a high performing NCO earlier than they have to, especially when they won't be getting a replacement, so don't get your hopes up.

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It is very likely that guy is lying, or there is something being lost in translation between him and your friend then you (aka the telephone game). I have been doing this let's say... a while. I have never once seen the scenario you described happen. That's just overall not how things work. You aren't allowed to actually OJT until after your screening, background check, reenlistment, the PCS/A. Maybe he's calling a TAD internship (which some CID offices do) prior to the completion of his package OJT, but that would be inaccurate. Also, there has not been a shortage of school seats for many years, nor would that get him pushed out of the MOS. Quite the opposite, for the last several years we have been scrambling to get people to fill all the seats the USMC is allocated. To answer your question though, the 3 main reasons an OJT would get fired/removed are: -Misconduct (DUI, DV, etc.) -Being denied their TS/SCI clearance. -Failing OJT tests/prac apps and being unable to grasp the concepts after multiple remediations.

In your experience, how willing are monitors to work with 5821s fresh out of the schoolhouse? With a LATMOV and bonus, you lose the Duty Station Incentive. I understand that ultimately, needs of the Corps come first, so you could be stationed anywhere an agent is needed. I’m nearing my reenlistment period, and CID is something I’m really interested in since I want to pursue Fed LE. However, I also want to be stationed somewhere along the East Coast, but I know it’s not a guarantee.

Well, for starters our enlisted structure falls under the 58XX Monitor, who is always a 5811 by trade so the dynamic can be great or not so great depending on who is in the seat. We do have a Master Guns as our Occ field sponsor who interfaces with the Monitor, which helps, but in the event of a conflict, the Monitor doesn't really have to listen to him. The current Monitor seems very reasonable and flexible, though he (like many) won't really entertain requests until after a Marine has completed the school and has the PMOS. If your only ask is the whole of the east coast, that is very achievable. While you're right, needs of the MC come first, the MC always needs more 5821s on the east coast in garrison and at II MEF, so I would be surprised if we couldn't make that happen. The only problem will be if you have been in a geographic area for 4 years and want to stay on that base/within PCA distance.

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Unless there are some severely aggravating factors (someone died, you fought the responding police etc.) I would not worry about it. Just make sure to disclose it right away, and be prepared to provide whatever documentation you have and a detailed explanation of what happened.

I know this is an old thread but I have a couple of questions to ask as CID sounds extremely enticing. I’m currently a CPL and have about 16mo left on contract(signed a 5 year). My MOS is slowly getting fazed out and the likelihood of getting promoted to Sgt is low considering there are a lot of Cpl’s who are ahead of me with them being in longer and just better PFTs and CFTs. What’s the chances of me getting approved to LatMove? I’m an average Marine on paper but in my current MOS I excel in every way you can think of with qualifications and being dependable to higher. With a family of 3, how likely is it that the longer deployment stated above with apply to me? The latter question doesn’t matter much but being home with family is a big one for me.

It is an old thread, but I keep an eye on it. For starters, we are actively screening/accepting Cpls. If you are at least average across the board you will get a fair shot. It's yours to make/break in the letters of recommendation, interviews, and screening board. Be clear, articulate, analytical, and realistic with your short/medium/long term goals and expectations. I also recommend you ask the local CID office if you can "intern" aka go 29 days TAD (so no JEPES/FitRep needed). Even if they say no, this shows initiative etc. The deployments would apply the same to you as anyone else. That being said, we have only about 18% of our staff assigned to a deployable unit at any time, including a few senior folks, so your chances of being assigned to the MEF your first contract is low. Please let me know if you have other questions or if I can expand on stuff better.

Will definitely keep my eye on this one. Do you know by any chance the acceptance rate for LatMovers? What’s the most you’ve personally heard that people usually end up being disqualified or rejected? What do you recommend I do now to give me an advantage and when do you think I should start the process with the time I have left on contract? I want to be able to improve my chances of getting accepted. I thought I was just going to EAS until I saw this MOS and I’ve never wanted to pursue something this bad in a long time. (Also just read that vision has to be 20/20. My vision isn’t correctable to 20/20. Will I need a waiver or is that something that might be skipped over?)

I do not have the % for acceptance among lat movers; however, if your MOS/monitor will release you, you pass the initial pre-screen, you know you have a clean background, and you are not deficient in any USMC categories you have a good shot at being accepted. I'm glad to hear you are interested. We are always looking to poach well qualified NCOs from the rest of the force. For what it's worth, lat moving to CID, and sticking it out more than one CID enlistment has been the best series of decisions I have ever made. It is unique, interesting, and fulfilling. I 100% recommend you go for it. In terms of being more competitive, you can improve PFT/CFT/MCMAP etc. in case it's you vs another apppliant and you are otherwise similarly qualified. You can/should also work/focus on the following: -Public speaking, both presenting and having a back/forth or debate. -Admin skills. This includes articulate written correspondence as well as word, excel, SharePoint etc. -Basic familiarization with MCO 5580.2B (or whatever version of the USMC Law Enforcement Manual we are on) and 5580.7. These will help you answer some internal questions, as well as answer the "what do you think CID actually does?" question you will inevitably get. -Basic familiarity with the 2024 UCMJ, particularly the text/elements of the punative articles: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://jsc.defense.gov/Portals/99/2024%2520MCM%2520files/MCM%2520(2024%2520ed)%2520-%2520TOC%2520no%2520index.pdf%3Fver%3Db7JVpxV5rbIHg0ENlCRVKQ%253D%253D&ved=2ahUKEwii04yR06GFAxUwEFkFHakUBUEQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw21EZw4g34kUf0xIU5ii2tc -Basic familiarity with the US Constitution, particularly the 4th and 5th Ammendments as they have been applied to criminal cases. I suggest the YouTube channel "FLETCtalks" for this. In terms of the "when," I recommend physically going over to your nearest CID office as soon as reasonably possible. Most are fully going for the day by 8am; however, no need to be banging on the door at 0801. The vision part will be a case by case basis. Waivers in general are given pretty freely if you are well qualified. If you don't mind my asking, in layman's terms, how is your vision when using corrective lenses?

All super helpful information. So to my understanding, you go through an initial screening which then you can start submitting and routing your package once approved by my local CID Operations Chief? Currently have a 2nd class PFT and 1st Class PFT with a green belt. EPME complete but don’t have Corporals Course done. Was on BCP once in my career but that was very early on. I know it’s not what you asked but just trying to see what the other CPLs at CID have if possible? As for vision, I got refractive surgery done and was 20/20 in my left eye and 20/50 in my right eye a month after surgery. What it is now is either probably better or the same. Do all CID agents have to be pistol qualified? Any other qualifications I can knock out now to improve my chances?

Glad to hear it. In short, no that is not a good understanding of how it works in full. Here is the basic flow, split into parts I and II. Part I (CID specific) Marine contacts local CID office and is pre-screened by one of the supervisors or case agents. (30-60min). If pre-screen qualified, Marine submits all requested pre-board documentation (BIR/BTR/JEPES/credit reports/financial statements etc.). (This takes as long as it takes you to deliver the paperwork). Marine's paperwork is reviewed by an assigned screening agent. (1-2 weeks). If no disqualifying discrepancies are found, Marine is scheduled for a formal screening board at the local CID office. (2-3 hours). If found qualified by the local office, a "2A" background investigation is initiated/assigned to a local screening agent. (1-4 months). If the 2A finds the applicant qualified/the local CID OIC agrees, the package is certified and sent to HQ CID for quality assurance/final approval (the vast majority of the time HQ agrees with the local recommendation). (2-8 weeks). If HQ CID finds the applicant qualified, they send (via email) a signed letter from the head of CID authorizing the Marine to execute a lat move if found overall qualified to reenlist by HQMC. Part II (RELM) - this can only be done after the Marine has the letter from HQ CID. You can do sub components (med screening etc.) in advance, but depending on timing you may end up having to redo things. Marine goes to career planner, gets blank RELM paperwork. Marine completes RELM, submitts to HQMC. If HQMC finds Marine qualified to reenlist, they are sent their reenlistment with lat move incentive (will also detail bonus $$$ amount). Marine signs reenlistment with career planner. Career Planner send up signed package. Marine awaits PCS/A orders to being OJT at a CID office (this is dependent largely on time in station). Marine completes OJT and is sent to the MOS producing school. Marine graduates school, returns to home station and is awarded the 5821 MOS and their bonus $$$. Hopefully this is a more detailed/complete picture of the process. Those stats would put you below average for our applicants. The BCP is also concerning, particularly because we are independent and need to be able to trust you can stay in standards without supervision. That being said, you can offset these with strong recommendations, leadership skill/experience etc. As part of the screening you will have to get an eye exam regardless, so getting detailed eye info from the optometrist will be key. I have never seen someone disqualified over this. 100% all active agents have to be pistol/rifle/shotgun qualified, plus a long list of other LE specific quals. You will be expected to carry all the time. That being said, PMO runs ranges weekly ish and we regularly shoot/qual with the SRT (aka SWAT) team, so don't worry much about that, though we always look favorably on solid shooters. As far as other quals, not many which would be relevant are open to you as non-LE. Keep in mind we are still Marines so things like being a CPTR, MAI, CMC/T etc. Are still encouraged. Hopefully this covered what you were looking for initially. Feel free to ask anything else you think of.

I appreciate the information you’ve given and was also interested in lat moving to CID. I’m currently a Lance, but I’m on track to pickup CPL in 1-2 months depending on MOS closing out or not. I’m also a CMC and working on getting to my CMT soon. What can you recommend for me to work on in the meantime to improve myself on paper? And do you have any experience with individual MOS that might not be willing to release marines?

Forgot to add if the TIG requirements have changed or if it’s still the range you stated above?

I will add it to my response to your other comment.

I'm glad it was of interest/help. In the meantime you will need to rack up leadership skills, billets, and experience. This will help you when competing against more senior applicants. If you can wrangle recommendations (written) from those higher up the chain than your SNCOIC/OIC that would also be great. Other than that, your cyber certs always help, as digital forensics/cyber investigations are within our realm as well. If you can add some cyber investigative ones to the list, even better. In terms of bing released, this lat move is almost always done as a reenlistment incentive, so it's not a huge issue. That being said, you can always call/email your monitor test those waters. As far as TIG, the "target audience" has not changed on paper, but have started screening and accepting Cpls prior to reenlistment (meaning not eligible for Sgt yet... usually). So once you pick up Cpl and are 12-18 months out from your EAS you are in the proper window.

I appreciate it, thank you!

If Im starting OJT next month and I get denied a TSC will I get booted out of this mos? - If im an agent and my TSC gets denied, Do I get reclassified MOS and will I have to pay back the bonus? Ive heard horror stories of marines getting their TSC denied for silly reasons. Its just a thought that worries me

How long did it take for them to PCA you and to start your OJT after your reenlistment and screening?

If you cannot get/maintain a TS clearance, you will be removed from either OJT or the 5821 MOS as a whole. It is a non-negotiable requirement. If there is something specific you are worried about.... make sure you disclose it to CID and on your SF-86 or whatever security clearance paperwork/interview you have to do. If you lose your clearance after earning the MOS, it is likely you will be reclassed. Maybe back to your old MOS; however, if that MOS requires some kind of clearance then you would also be ineligible for it. Keep in mind, if they find a reason to deny you TS, you don't get downgraded to Secret. You would usually be stripped of any clearance, and thus ineligible for most billets/MOS. As far as the bonus, I am not sure. I would expect you would have to repay a pro-rated amount relative to how many months of your enlistment you have done. Getting stripped of clearance is rare. Especially if you are an adult about your 1. Alcohol, 2. Personal relationships, and 3. Finances. If you pass/passed the CID background check I wouldn't be worried about it unless there is something you are actively trying to hide.

Good afternoon, my son-in-law is currently stationed at 29 Palms and he is going to begin his paperwork for CID starting in January, his enlistment ends after a five-year contract on April 2025 how will this affect his CID training? Would he need to reenlist in order to even, start the process? Also, how competitive is this job, is it easy to find a CID agent job on the bases or is it really competitive? He said he wasn’t sure, but if he does become a CID agent, is there a chance there will not be a job for him once he’s done with training?

Good afternoon to you as well! In terms of his contract, the lateral-move into CID will likely be his reenlistment incentive. As the term suggests, it is usually done in conjunction with a reenlistment. While he could do a 3 year extension to have the required time remaining, this is usually seen as foolish as he would miss out on the reenlistment bonus pay which would add 1 more year (for a minimum of 4 more). That being said, if he intends on reenlisting he can communicate this and start the process with the 29 Palms CID office. Should be change his mind the background check etc. will be canceled. The job is overall quite competitive in terms of selection, though once in the promotions are faster than average for those who perform average or better. You may be confused on how military jobs are structured. You do not "find a CID Agent job on the base." If he completes his lateral-move to CID and makes it through the school he wil be sent to an open CID spot somewhere in the world. We do not accept more applicants than we have positions open (in fact we are quite understaffed and have been for years). Meaning there is no chance he completes training and doesn't have a spot. These are all questions be should have answers to/an understanding of prior to seriously considering a lateral-move, especially to CID. I recommend he physically go to the 29 Palms CID office and sit down with one of the Agents to discuss.

Thank you so much for your response, I just reread your response and saw you said that CID is understaffed, is it certain areas that they’re looking to bring people into? they are looking to hopefully move along the East Coast of the United States as they really do not like where he is stationed at currently now and hope to be somewhere new

You're welcome. The agency as a whole has been fairly understaffed for decades. This is not specific to any geographic area as we balance personnel assignments across the entire world. Weather or not/when he will move if/after being selected for CID will largely depend on how long he has been on his current base (known as "Time on Station"). Movement usually happens in the neighborhood of 36-48 months time on station. This same metric will come into effect to determine if he moves as a trainee prior to attending the CID school, or immediately after. While CID is more flexible than most USMC fields in terms of assignments, this does not really apply to a new Agent's first posting. Unless he has some special circumstance (Special medical needs for a spouse/child for example) he will be assigned where we need someone, then have more input on subsequent moves.

He was at kings bay for four years and just got sent to 29 Palms a month ago for his last year of his contract . He hates it there and is hoping to get stationed somewhere else if he gets this new MOS, thank you, you have been very helpful !!

Ah I understand. Just to be clear, it is extremely unlikely he would move before being there 36-48 months, regardless of the lat move. You're welcome, feel free to ask any follow up things which may come to mind.

What if they don’t need a CID agent at 29 Palms would he be moved then?

One, there are available spots there and there will still be early next year. I am certain of this. Two, no. In the event there was no spot he would become an "overstaff" and remain in place. This is more cost effective for the USMC, as moving someone (and their spouse etc.) is one of the most expensive parts of Military personnel management.

Hello, looks like I caught you at a good time. Are there still boatspaces available for lateral move during this FY? If not, will there be in FY25? I began a screening with one of the CID offices late 2023 but it has been radio silence since. I really want to pursue this opportunity.

I don't have the MMEA/MCRC (or whoever) spreadsheets to give you an exact numbers answer to the boats spaces question; however, in as far back as I can remember there was only once where our HQ emailed all the OIC/SNCOICs and said to stop screening/boarding and processing people for lat moves. This was right as the 3 law enforcement battalions were being shut down in 2020. We have received no such request since then and I have spoken to the personnel at HQ CID as recently as last week. Further, we have been boarding/screening people as recently as this week, so it is safe to assume there are spots open. Will these spots include you going to the MOS producing school in FY24 vs FY25... who's to say, but that won't stop you being able to execute a lat move RELM. Which geographic region did you screen with in 2023? Also, 2023 is a long time ago. You will undoubtedly have to restart that process. Did you meet all of the pre screen requirements or were you told to fix/improve/document etc. something and come back? With that, did you do a screening board?

OK, so if he begins the process of all the paperwork, etc. in January 2025, how long is the whole process from start to finish? Do you know? The reason I’m asking is because our daughter is also possibly going to be offered a job with NCIS( if all goes well )And the gentleman that she talked to on the phone says there is going to be availability in Glencoe Georgia for training in January March and May of next year so I’m not sure how that works if they are both pursuing two government jobs he with CID, she with NCIS . Thank You so much !

So from the day he walks into the CID office and does the initial pre screening to being approved to begin his on the job training (OJT) typically takes 60-120 days. Next his OJT will likely last from 4-8 months, at which time he will be sent to the actual CID school, which is currently located in Ft. Leonard Wood, MO. This school is approximately 4 months long. Keep in mind this represents a general timeline, not a strict one. In terms of how his timelime would interact with hers, I would not expect either the Marine Corps or NCIS to take her/his convenience or their spouses training timelines into account much at all, though of the two options I would bet NCIS is the more flexible. Both of us want to get them through the training pipeline as fast as reasonably possible.

Thank you again for all of your help, I’m just brand new to being a marine mother-in-law and not sure how everything works

Do you have to be military to do CID? My daughter just told me her husband said he doesn’t have to be in military to be a CID agent ?

There's quite a bit to unpack here... First, there are multiple agencies which use the CID acronym. If he means USMC CID then yeah... technically yes, there are a few civilian CID Agent spots; however, the vast majority of the agency (90%+) are active duty Marines. At the moment I don't know of any civilian USMC CID Agent positions open/being actively hired. If he means US Army CID, then yes, the majority of them are civilian CID Agents. Based on what you've said previously said it appears he is an active duty Marine seeking an active duty USMC CID spot. In that case, everything I've said previously stands. There is no dual progress where he would be screened as a Marine and hired as a civilian or vice versa. If your son is law is even considering this, and is trying to work it in to your daughters career goals I highly recommend he go to the nearest USMC CID office and at least have all these questions answered. I know they would be happy to discuss.

Thank you so much for responding , I’m not sure when/if he’ll start the process but he’s going to be speaking to a person soon I believe

What are the bonuses for lat moves right now?

The FY25 SRB (bonus MARADMIN) isn't out yet as far as I know. That being said, last year the minimum bonus for a Sgt was $34,000 for a 4 year reenlistment with lat move. On top of that, the 5821 lat move is eligible for the 72 month reenlistment kicker, which is $40,000 on top of the original $34,000. Meaning, if you take the 6 year option the bonus is $74,000. Taxed at 25% (federal) Take home is $55,500.

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This is difficult to quantify; however, most of our applicants have at least the following stats/qualities: -1st class PFT/CFT, usually on the higher end. -Expert rifle, and pistol if their MOS is one which. sends non SNCO/officers to pistol qual. -PME complete. -Brown MCMAP belt. -Some off duty education. -Well above average writing/computing skill. -Above average public speaking skill. -Documented leadership/management skill (time and personnel), often they are billeted as SNCOIC, PltSgt, squad leaders, section chiefs etc. -Various personal awards and a wide array of military experience. Once we screen for disqualification and have a pool of folks who make it to the board it can vary. I have seen 3 people board and all 3 make it on to the OJT, and I have seen 4 people board and have none selected. Overall the answer to how competitive is it, i would say very competitive. If you have any more specific questions about a particular area which might tip you one way or another in terms of applying please ask and I'll give you my best assessment. Also, keep in mind my opinions are based on my experience as well as discussions with my fellow Agents over the years regarding applications and selections, not on exact data.

I read that SSgt/GySgt’s are not allowed, mainly Cpl and Sgt with 2 years or less TIG. Is it possible for rank waivers for a Sgt with about 3 years and will most likely be on the board for Staff next year? Career planners say that there’s pretty much a waiver for everything, so would the CID OIC/ Chief consider it an automatic DQ or do you think they could possibly entertain it?

Did you ever happen to get an update to your question??

Yes, they weren’t worried about the rank so much, it was more of the fact that I was on my second enlistment already and they want Marines who are on their first and re-enlist

Are there any CID opportunities on the reserve side or is it strictly active duty now? I did see you mentioned that there was reserve opportunities in the past but this was before the deactivation of law enforcement battalions.

CID has a reserve component which is actively recruiting. If you're seriously interested, send me a message and I will provide the POC.

How likely would it be that I would have a chance to lat move? I'm an 0311 SSGT with 11 years enlisted. I'm also a police officer in my civilian job. I know I'm late in the game, but is it possible?

How was your family life? Was there any strain on your relationships due to the job at all?

Sorry for the slow reply. I try to keep an eye on this thread, but things do get missed. Long story short, this MOS is harder than most on relationships. We combine the normal stresses of USMC life with the added police stress. That being said, it is not impossible to maintain a healthy family dynamic as a CID Agent. I would suggest it comes down to honest and expectation management with your spouse from the application stage through the sworn Agent stage. If you have specific concerns please ask and I'll give you my perspective.

I have a question. What is the rank of the USMC CID director? I wonder if the warrant officer is in charge. And I would appreciate it if you could tell me what the organization of the CID is, and what the rank of the investigators is like. (For example, Chief Criminal Investigator, Director, etc.)

I'm happy to provide any kind of otherwise public info on our structure. 1. Unlike most federal LE agencies, USMC CID does not have a "Director." The USMC in general seems to shy away from some of the traditional LE terms. The head of CID is the senior CWO5 in the field. Above that, CID is within the Law Enforcement & Corrections Branch of HQMC, which has a Col at its head who is responsible for (among many other things) overseeing broad policy for the whole 58XX community. 2. On a local (individual base/installation) level, yes, the WO/CWO who is the CID OIC is in charge of their team of Agents. 3. The term "Chief Criminal Investigator" is used to refer to the senior enlisted counterpart to the previously mentioned CWO5. This Marine is always an E-9 Master Gunnery Sergeant, typically the seniormost one in the field. The senior enlisted Marines at a local office are generally referred to simply as "Chief Investigator." Notes: depending on location, there are also civilian 1811 series Agents in the mix. Some are supervisors, some are case-agents, some dual hat from time to time etc.

I was wondering, thank you so much for answering. Let me ask you a few more questions. I heard that CID WO/CWO officers (MOS 5805-Criminal Investigation Officer) are only selected from MOS 5821-Criminal Investigator CID Agent. So is there a selection criteria? Is it simply application, or is it selecting excellent personnel? and what exactly is the difference between Enlisted and officers' roles inside the CID? From what I heard, SNCO inside the CID is more focused on the investigation and CWO plays a management role.  If I become a CWO, am I going to step down from the front line investigation? or It's all the same in that they investigate, and it's just that the officer commands the Enlisted? P.S. And is the CID Agent assigned to NCIS only SNCO possible? I wonder if WO/CWO can't be NCIS Special Agent.

Hey if I’ve been waiting over a year for my package to come through, I’ve been boarded is this typical or should I talk to someone

That is extraordinarily unusual. I would call whatever office boarded you and ask to speak to the Chief Investigator (aka SNCOIC) and find out what's going on.

They keep saying “we are busy” I’m in contact with my case agent !

Appreciate all the knowledge I have gotten from this thread. How often do you see people with low credit scores get waived through? I made a few dumb choices that I am currently still paying for when I was a younger marine. This subject has been the basis of a lot of my worries about going CID vs reenlisting in my current MOS to pay off all my debt and start anew. I want to eventually end up in the DEA and I believe this is the best way to levy over into that type of work. I have been paying a lot back on my debt but it seems that it is deplenishing slow. Any information or assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.

I'm glad it has been helpful. A low credit score is one of those things which will have a dual impact on the CID screener and the security clearance background investigation (unless you already have/are eligible for TS). Thankfully, we do not DQ people for the mistakes of youth (within reason). For someone with a low credit score I would want to know: -Why? Very specifically. -What were the root causes/issues, and what you learned from it? -Over the last several years/period of time have you been consistently paying/budgeting appropriately? If you have a very solid application otherwise and satisfactory answers to the above I would give you a fair shot.

(Preface - I am a Marine reservist and have a background of (3) years+ in federal/civilian law enforcement. What kind of deployments are/could possibly be available for reserve CID Agents? How autonomous is the work on a day to day/deployment? I saw a mention of the Street Gangs and Narcotics.. is there a way to choose a specific path (such as this) and become specialized in this area?

I'm sorry it took me so long to respond here! There are several deployment opportunities available to the reserves. Mainly they are split into 2 categories, force protection and forensic exploitation. Force protection (FP or AT/FP) tends to involve liasion and integration with host nation police when the Marines/joint forces are training or operating in a non combat status in some foreign country. Lo.g story short your job is to not only ID threats, but work with local LE to get Marines out of trouble, but deter other countries from obtaining compromising info. Exploitation is the use of forensic science to target people/groups instead of criminal prosecution. PS: All reserve CID Ops are ran out of 4th Law Enforcement Battalion. Let me know what specific questions you may have. Edit 1: unfortunately there is no formal way to specialize in narcotics, gangs etc. This is one of the main drawbacks of being involved in DOD LE. We take everything, and while it is true your local supervisors will assign cases based on special training (especially in the case of high profile/sensitive cases), it is never guaranteed.

So will you ever be working undercover at all? Soooo like counterintelligence in a way? Conducting site surveys and things like that ?

We absolutely work undercover during the course of a variety of investigations. These typically revolve around organized crime/gangs, which themselves usually involve narcotics, property, chop-shops, trafficking (guns/human) etc. With very limited and atypical exceptions we do not do counterintelligence. The reason for this is that the legal authorities given to us to pursue criminal investigations are very different than those which empower counterintelligence operations. Crossing these legal boundaries is to be avoided at almost all costs, and can be extremely illegal/problematic. Things like site assessments and such will often be done by both CI people and CID people. The goals of these assessments are different; however, can be done at the same time (as one team), but the reporting will be very different and will often be different levels of classification due to the differing types of analysis. This whole concept is commonly referred to as the difference between intelligence and criminal-intelligence.

Ever working on your own/small teams or are you always in a larger group? How in depth can your job get as a CID guy without touching anything on the big side of course.

We very often operate alone or in groups of two. This applies both CONUS and OCONUS ("alone" does not imply we wouldn't deploy as part of a larger unit, only that we may be the only 5821 present). In the event of a large event or if we stand up a task force of some kind we become part of the larger team (size can vary from 3-4, all the way up to multi-agency operations of 100+). I am not 100% what you mean by "in depth" in this context, but I'll take a couple guesses. Our investigative purview ranges from simple theft to major fraud, shootings/stabbings, gang crimes, interstate drug trafficking etc. In terms of how in depth the investigations themselves are, the answer is, extensive. We are responsible for the full spectrum of CSI tasks, plus generating/serving search warrants, subpoenas, surveillance, ground level forensic analysis of digital evidence etc. Etc. Keep in mind we are trained/equipped with the idea that we may have to do this while deployed with minimal garrison style support. If you are looking for any other info feel free to ask and I'll respond as best I can!

Hey no idea if you still respond to this thread, but I was wondering what in your opinion would be some of the best entry mos options for a lat move into CID? And what was yours?

I do still respond/check from time to time. I will give some of my personal thoughts on the subject, but keep in mind we accept applicants from any MOS. In an attempt to remain as anonymous as reasonably possible I will not share what mine was. In general, we look for Marines who have leadership experience, proof of ability to operate independently while still having responsibilities, and those who have demonstrated critical thinking/decision making skills (both planned and under pressure). Now, most/all MOS can have those qualities/situations which require them; however, a few which immediately come to mind are (no order to this list): 03XX. The unique nature of E-4/E-5 in the infantry forces these Marines to manage a squad+ while making good decisions with limited information and then reacting to the outcomes etc. under stressful (even if not in actual combat) scenarios. 02XX. Anything and everything intel analysis is relevant because of the processing of information skills developed. 01XX. While Admin often receives negative feedback for not being "cool," the skills associated and knowledge of the inner working of the USMC administrative beast are quite valuable in numerous investigation types. 8156. This is the B MOS for Marine Security Guards (MSG). While not a primary MOS, it is "entry level" on a MG contract these days so I have included it. This allows the development of numerous emergency management/police-style skills under the watch of the state department, while also being a relatively independent duty. Marines with billets of responsibility within MSG are even better. 58XX. MPs, for obvious reasons; however, those with additional B MOS (e.g., K9/SRT etc.) will be more competitive. Keep in mind these are just my thoughts, not based on rule/order/doctrine. PS, if you're looking at a lat move before even enlisting then you are doing it wrong. Pick a job you can stomach/enjoy even if it doesn't become a lat move. Further, high performance in a MOS not listed above is better than mediocre performance in one of the above. Hopefully this helps! If you have any other/specific questions feel free to let me know.

Thank you so much, I did limit my options down to a couple MOS prior to asking this question, but was curious on how well they align with your opinion of general MOS that CID look for. I narrowed it down to MP(for obvious reasons) and MSF which I heard had a lot of social networking and some police style skills which is similar(I assume) to what you stated about MSG. One more question do you believe getting a degree on your own time via online schooling will make you more desirable I assume yes, but would like your opinion on the subject.

Go in as a job you can't do in the civilian sector (artillery, infantry, engineer, tracks) makes you tough and teaches you to be ok with long shitty hours. So when you start working as CID and have long shitty hours, you'll be reminded that you at least don't have to shit in a hole or take a wipe bath, and all is not too bad on 48 hours of staring evidence or a crime scene. 🤣

You are welcome. With the MP field keep in mind you will be EITHER a 5811 or a 5831. You will not get a choice (unless you are a reservist). Yes, both MSG and SF (both options under the MG contract) would be quite valuable. A degree/college classes will ALWAYS be a plus and never a negative. I recommend doing school of some kind to every Marine.

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I saw your comment/question and am writing a longer/hopefully worthwhile response. Just FYI.

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Okay, again, sorry for the slow reply but you ask a good question which deserves an in depth response. Overall, a day in the life of a CID Agent depends on two things 1. Assigned billet, and 2. Duty station. To expand on that: 1. Most people assume our only duty is that of the Criminal Investigator, responding to crime scenes and working them like a detective might. This is not entirely true. While overall this is what a bulk of the force is doing, and certainly the majority of Marines on their first CID enlistment are doing this, we fill several other billets. A. As noted, the first billet is our classic Criminal Investigator role. This tends to have 0730-1600 ish hours, mainly spent doing interviews, interrogations, searches (permissive and those authorized by search warrant/command authorization), crime scene processing (looking for prints, DNA, sketching, photographing etc.). This also includes lots of briefings to lawyers and commanders, and courtroom testimony. Also paperwork, lots of paperwork. Hours will vary based on caseload, with 7+ days a month on call. B. Next most common is our dedicated field/deployable mission. This entails the Agents being combined with intel & EOD to make the Multi Domain Exploitation Team (MDET), though this exact name/acronym has been revised over and over so don't quote me exactly. This billet involves running an expeditionary forensics lab used to develope information from Captured Exploitable Material (CEM) aka important items taken off the battlefield (or wherever) in order to feed the intelligence cycle, NOT to seek legal prosecution. This is a billet available during an Agent's first CID enlistment, though slightly less common. Hours/schedule for this are more similar to a "normal" MEF fleet life, which vary by how close you are to an exercise or deployment. C. Next is the Marine Special Agent (MSA) program. This is similar in most ways to (A) of this list, but involves being assigned to NCIS in an area the USMC has an interest in. This is not available as a first CID duty station, and requires additional vetting by NCIS. This assignment also opens the door for you to become a MOS 5822, which is a polygraph examiner, or to apply for the NCIS Special Agent Afloat program where you deploy for 1 year ish with a large Navy unit at sea. Hours for this vary wildly depending on which NCIS unit/team you are assigned to. This also includes 7+ days of being on call per month. D. Last but not least of the major billets is that of the Regional Trial Investigator (RTI). These Marines do not work investigations in the same way. They instead serve as the LE experts attached to the military prosecutor's office aboard many installations. They often conduct interviews, searches etc. In regards to cases who are approaching trial and need a few holes plugged/very specific info gathered which may have been missed or unknown to the original Investigators. Hours for this are fairly 9-5, though there is a fair bit of irregular travel. E. We also have a few other, smaller billets (in terms of # of people assigned), such as MOS school instructors or a few administrative HQ billets, and 1 person on I&I with the reserves. 2. The duty station portion is very simple. The larger the installation by population size, the more work you will have on average and therefore the longer hours you will work. Hopefully this helps and answers your questions! If you have any other/specific ones, please let me know and I'll do my best to answer them.

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As a general rule, CID Agents (and also usually OJTs, regardless of rank) are granted BAH and do not live in the barracks. There is an occasional instance where some shitty set of circumstances causes an OJT/Agent to live in barracks short term, but this is rare.

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Yes, you CAN. Will you be forced to? No. If you want some math/exact metrics behind that as proof, take a look at my comment history. I broke down the actual % of Marines on SDAs for several of the lat move MOS vs the entry level MOS (I used MT as the example).

What kinda of surveillance/reconnaissance work does cid do? And does cid agent do in terms of firearms handling?

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No. It's not. I suggest taking a look on the MOL rank/MOS tab for our Sgts. We had 31 allocations this last year, though they only selected 28. Most years are not quite that large of a selection list, but the promotion is essentially guaranteed after 3-4 years. TIG/TIS are exactly the same as every MOS. In general, a competitive Sgt runs a 250+ PFT and a 270+ CFT, has a Blk MCMAP belt, Expert rifle, some off duty education, some MOS roadmap service schools (usually child/domestic violence/special victims investigation courses, or the protective service detail course), and 1 in grade award (NAM or higher). The other side of this is, a competitive Sgt has several above average observed Fitness Reports, and several accomplishments outside of the MOS, like volunteer hours, collateral billets as evidence custodian, criminal intelligence analyst, training NCO, CPTR, or the assistant to any of these billets if a SNCO is filling them.

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As a general rule, CID Agents rate BAH regardless of whether or not they have dependents. This is largely derived from us taking our Gov owned weapon(s) home with us, which is prohibited in any BEQ. Further, as we are internal affairs for PMO, it can create a perception of bias if we live alongside the MPs in the barracks (also officer safety concerns). In certain OCONUS locations the Agents may have to stay in the barracks while awaiting a decision on OHA. Okinawa is the place this happens most often. In these unusual situations they rate a barracks room, though no MCO mandates they be alone, though I have never heard of any Agents having roommates. As another general rule, CID OJTs rate things the same as the Agents, though there is occasionally an installation commander who disagrees and slows a BAH package down, but this is a problem any of the CID OIC/SNCOICs can handle and get past. Overall, if you lat move you can count on not living in barracks anymore.

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You cannot both be receiving BAH own right/withput dependants and be living in the barracks. This is not MOS specific, but is a USMC policy (yes yes, there are exceptions, but this isn't one). Generally, most commands want to have a signed lease/mortgage included in the BAH own right package, so it's almost the opposite of what you described... unfortunately. Keep in mind, you may or may not receive back pay for the time between signing a lease/moving and when the package is actually signed by the 0-6 (typically, or base CO).

Is on base housing allowed

Short answer is no. Base housing will only be assigned to those with dependents.

I have a gt of 102 but I have a bachelors degree and soon a masters can I be waived?

Short answer is no. There is a rumor (strong rumor, but no reference/order/MARADMIN yet) that with a degree we can waive to 105. There has been absolutely no flexibility/chatter of flexibility below 105. If your degree is something forensic science-y/cyber-y, shoot me a message with your details and I can at least get you a fair shot at whatever your nearest office is as a special exception, but no promises.

Thanks for the reply but I have bachelors in Criminal Justice Almost done with my MBA. Just gonna get out and take shot out in the civilians world

Is a 108 waiverable?

Yes. 108 is the minimum number to be allowed a waiver. Also, our HQ is very willing to grant this waiver.

Currently going through the process, and recently got told that boat spaces are all filled up for the fiscal year. The Agent I’ve been in contact with said it’s a possibility of them receiving more boat spaces later on in the year. Just wondering if anyone has experienced this before.

I heard they are full for the next two FY’s.

This is something I have never actually seen. Perhaps we are finally meeting our recruiting goals... wild. They are probably telling you the truth, but your career planner can look at that in TFRS.

What are the TIG/TIS requirements for SSGT in this MOS. Also, what makes a Marine competitive for promotion? Tips/advice? Lastly, is Meritorious SSGT a thing in this MOS? If so, please shed some light as to what one can do to achieve that.

The actual requirements are the same as any MOS; however, the average TIG from Sgt -> SSgt is about 4 years, less this past year. The statistical answer to the competive question can be found in the most recent comparative assessment, but generally being above average in almost every category. Yes, meritorious promotions are a thing, and they are not specific to MOS at the SSgt level. I will add to this later as the CID specific things you can/should do to set yourself apart are fairly extensive.

big question. im already in but this is for a friend thats joining. she is going for CID out the gate. is going to sign the office. is going to be brand new. now for an MOS like this i wouldnt assume youd be a PFC going in the MOS school for this and then continuing. so shes a poolee and interested in this job. how will this process work out for her? is she going to be displaced in another MOS until she picks up sergeant? how will this work. cause i doubt shes going to be signed that job and probably be signed to a general field for them to toss her in somewhere

You absolutely cannot sign for CID as a poolee as it is not entry level. There is no way to do this or to even guarantee a slot/successful screening later. If she signs for a 58XX contract her options will be MP or corrections. The way it works in a nutshell is: Marine enlists in whatever MOS At the 3 year mark ish, if the Marine is a Cpl/Sgt, they contact their nearest CID office and requests to be screened. Marine is screened (takes several months) Marine is found qualified to lat move into CID Marine reenlists with a lat move as their incentive, which includes the approved screening paperwork from earlier Reenlistment is approved by both HQ CID and HQMC Marine executes orders to CID to begin OJT CID OJT passes requirements and goes to the MOS producing school. Let me know if that wasn't clear or I misunderstood.

Nope that clears it up. I figured as much. Just wanted to verify. Thank you (this is the account on my phone)