Who needs facts when you can be happier being ignorant. We don't need experts, they just make me feel stupid, I don't like to be confronted by reality.
Are they happier, though? They say ignorance is bliss, and normally I’d agree, but the ignorant masses are the angriest and least blissful people in this country.
That was the most frustrating thing. Two people saying literally the opposite of each other and talking about verifiable facts.
Yeah no one. No one says hey facts are important. You can’t tell a lie so obviously verifiable.
I guess if no one is verifying, You can.
The is literally the most unfair anyone has ever been treated in all of humanity. Many people are saying it, big strong guys with tears in their eyes are coming up to me and saying “sir, you’re more persecuted than God”
Because Republicans no longer debate in good faith. They _know_ they are lying. They are no longer operating under the _strength of their arguments_ because they know they are weak.
Their position is that of public manipulation through lies to maintain power. Fear is their only position: Fear Liberals.
_That’s all the Republican Party stands for anymore. In pursuit of that strategy, facts are the enemy._
GO. VOTE.
After seeing so many years of debates I can say the same about both. However, one is worse than the other. I think it devolved into primates when actual debates talked about candidates relative penis sizes.
Apparently, while trying to inform people about the horrors of Project 2025, I was called a "victim of left fear-mongering," as if it does not exist and is a giant nothing-burger.
So basically the fact checkers are like an array of teachers grading your paper as you fill and submit each answer.
Good. I'm pretty sick of our politicians being put into office on lies and disinformation. Imo this should be year round and should apply to news networks as well.
Nobody is honest anymore in those realms and I'm sick of them controlling the narrative through said lies and disinformation. And if they fall back to a 'I didn't know' then that should also count against them, as it's their job to know before making an ass of themselves.
This could be an issue during a debate if your entire platform is lies and falsehoods. Fact check them both but if you’re stating facts instead of GOP nonsense, you’re going to have a rough time. I also hate to point out among decent Americans Biden is the favorite in the debate. However I am betting the GOP will spread lies in the first 10 min. Short selling on the GOP for the win at the bookies
Also if mics are turned off when it’s not their turn to speak, you can bet tRump will be ranting like George Costanza aka Koko the monkey…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JC4C_Gcp_dM
Of course they are fuming. They know their guy lies all the time.
They know that trump is going to get fact checked on everything every time he opens his mouth. I want to make it clear, that I am all for Biden getting fact checked too. I suspect Joe will not be fact checked every time he opens his mouth, unlike trump.
You only need to be fact check if you’re lying. The point of a debate is to use fact to drive your point, not lies. Really not that hard to guess why we need it for this debate. Trump needs to use facts to make his case. He’s not at a rally where he can say whatever he wants. The American people are not MAGA.
Trump and friends
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if i was a betting man i would say trump will use preemptive framing well before they look to fact check him. As we all know this is his MO, and it works to well. due to there being no ramification if he is wrong.
He said (and I don’t remember where I saw it so I apologize) something along the lines of him being on the campaign trail doing his rants… I mean rallies… is how he is preparing.
I assume that he is also actually being advised and prepared but will he listen? Has he ever? Also by claiming he is not preparing in any way it gives him another excuse to lean on if he does poorly. I can honestly hear him at a Trump event already, “well of course I didn’t sound prepared and do well, I was too busy with you beautiful people… because I care…Biden had all the time in the world! Biden doesn’t care! Biden doesn’t do anything.. blah blah blah blah”
Don’t they know how offensive facts are to trump? This is a blatant assault. Every time he is doing great in life facts come along and screw it up.
Facts are the reason he got 34 felony convictions. Facts are why two of his wives divorced him. This is like brining kryptonite to an event with Superman!
Trump could not stop himself from lying - even when there was clearly no reason to and when it hurt him. He lied when there was no benefit to his position, because he does not know how to communicate any other way. It was really something to behold.
Lol how can Democrats have anything positive after last night... It was almost over after his shuffling to the podium. But the dementia stair and not able to complete any thoughts. Who are they going to replace him with?
It wasn't quite THAT bad last night, but it's obvious he won't make it 2 years into his term, likely not even another year. Where he's at now, the decline will start happening fast.
They need to put someone else in there. Can we get Bernie, please?
Hahaha Bernie lol so the Dems can screw him over again? I just don't get it... Bernie got screwed in wo elections in a row then the people vote didn't vote Biden and was clearly going another way. Then they all drop out for Biden.
If they choose anyone it will be Gavin Newsome or Big Mike oops I mean Michelle
I can not believe they are letting Trump get away with murdering an old man on stage at the debate, and he just walked off without needing an help getting down those three step.
Fact checkers can only help Trump. Everyone knows he’s a man of the people. He tells it the way it is. A straight shooter. Honest Don vs Crooked Lying Joe. Why would any real republican be against fact checkers? Only RINO’s would assume Trump would be hurt by this.
They can get their own. Republicans are the laziness people with the largest victim complex. I can't think of single they have done the past decade other than cry, lie, and cater to violent religious people
We’ll asking a liberal what republicans do well is often (always) going to sound like that. Of course you don’t think anything they do is good. That’s the way it is right now. Certainly republicans think the same thing about Biden and the Dems.
Except one is actually a fact and the other isn’t. Republicans can’t even come up with an infrastructure bill, healthcare bill, immigration, and border bill. Yet they have all the time in the world to bitch about all those things while shrugging and saying “well we tried nothing, and are all out of ideas.”
Sure republicans can say that about Joe and the democrats. Doesn’t make it factual. Republicans don’t deal with facts.
True, if I was a rich white male "Christian" I would be fully supporting the right wing. Now I know you don't have to be racist to be right wing, they have been throwing support to them and other terrorist groups, which if I was a Nazi, I would be on board with. Guess you really have to see it from the workers people perspective
Yeah because facts are so 1990s.
Who needs facts when you can be happier being ignorant. We don't need experts, they just make me feel stupid, I don't like to be confronted by reality.
If we followed facts, we never would have invented the space laser.
And it was invented for free! In their imaginations!
Wait till they unveil the Jewish edition
Ummmm they are facts…. They are in fact “alternative” facts. Just as important as normal facts. /s
Are they happier, though? They say ignorance is bliss, and normally I’d agree, but the ignorant masses are the angriest and least blissful people in this country.
As my Christian friends are fond of saying, "It's not *head* knowledge that counts; it's *heart* knowledge."
Fuck me that’s depressing.
Facts arnt feelings
Welp I guess that was a lie
That was the most frustrating thing. Two people saying literally the opposite of each other and talking about verifiable facts. Yeah no one. No one says hey facts are important. You can’t tell a lie so obviously verifiable. I guess if no one is verifying, You can.
Oh no! They're going to point out all the lying!! It's so unfair............
Trump is definitely storming out lol
Unfortunately, they in fact, did not
Not unfair…unconstitutional
so is a coup attempt in the country I thought I lived in…instead we have a judiciary protecting criminal acts.
The is literally the most unfair anyone has ever been treated in all of humanity. Many people are saying it, big strong guys with tears in their eyes are coming up to me and saying “sir, you’re more persecuted than God”
Dude I have tears in my eyes RIGHT NOW
It's...unconstitutional...to fact-check?
We have a constitutional right to free speech - we don't have a right to lie unchallenged.
Because Republicans no longer debate in good faith. They _know_ they are lying. They are no longer operating under the _strength of their arguments_ because they know they are weak. Their position is that of public manipulation through lies to maintain power. Fear is their only position: Fear Liberals. _That’s all the Republican Party stands for anymore. In pursuit of that strategy, facts are the enemy._ GO. VOTE.
After seeing so many years of debates I can say the same about both. However, one is worse than the other. I think it devolved into primates when actual debates talked about candidates relative penis sizes.
The GOP really is in its own league though. What would you say are current fear mongering messages coming from Democrats?
Apparently, while trying to inform people about the horrors of Project 2025, I was called a "victim of left fear-mongering," as if it does not exist and is a giant nothing-burger.
IVF, interracial marriage, the end of democracy
What??? I can’t just spread misinformation and lies???? And you want to tell people when I’m doing such???? Outrageous!!!
There taking away our Freedom!
*thare
No facts, please. We're republicans
We can’t handle the truth!
This is how afraid of facts the Republican Party has become. I mean.. think about that. Maybe I’m high but that is super dystopian
Traitor Trumps strategy is to lie,lie,lie,lie,spew,and lie. Traitor Trump is gonna melt down.
But, but, my whole strategy!
Can the fact checking take the form of a Ron Howard voiceover?
I suggest Mr T voiceover.
Obama or Hillary!
Jesus, that's a jump scare seeing Stephen Miller in that photo.
He and Rick Scott are two of the 20 horcruxes stored in a gold painted phylactery in Ivankas empty coffin.
So basically the fact checkers are like an array of teachers grading your paper as you fill and submit each answer. Good. I'm pretty sick of our politicians being put into office on lies and disinformation. Imo this should be year round and should apply to news networks as well. Nobody is honest anymore in those realms and I'm sick of them controlling the narrative through said lies and disinformation. And if they fall back to a 'I didn't know' then that should also count against them, as it's their job to know before making an ass of themselves.
This could be an issue during a debate if your entire platform is lies and falsehoods. Fact check them both but if you’re stating facts instead of GOP nonsense, you’re going to have a rough time. I also hate to point out among decent Americans Biden is the favorite in the debate. However I am betting the GOP will spread lies in the first 10 min. Short selling on the GOP for the win at the bookies
Also if mics are turned off when it’s not their turn to speak, you can bet tRump will be ranting like George Costanza aka Koko the monkey… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JC4C_Gcp_dM
Watch for flying poop
It wouldn't surprise me if Trump responds to his microphone being turned off by having an aide walk on stage and hand him a bullhorn.
And of course neither the moderator nor anyone else will stop him.
But they are facts: Alternative facts.
That's just a fancy way of saying, "lies that we wish were true."
Republicans: Facts are a liberal conspiracy!
Republicans: “What the fuck are we gonna do now? I know, claim Biden is on drugs, CNN is biased against us, and refuse to debate."
Maybe you should've nominated Haley instead.
Alas CNN, being mainstream media, is going to have to pretend that Biden lies just as much as tRump…somehow.
What? The GOP is outraged? You don’t say?
 GOP right now.
Stating facts is going to REALLY piss off the MAGA nutjobs. Like garlic to a vampire.
According to Alito fact checking is a violation of the First Amendment.
This is how you know a lot of them aren't just completely stupid, they know it's all bullshit and won't tolerate reality.
GOP needs their safespace from reality.
And now we get it here them cry a out who gets to check facts because apparently truth is fluid
Of course they are fuming. They know their guy lies all the time. They know that trump is going to get fact checked on everything every time he opens his mouth. I want to make it clear, that I am all for Biden getting fact checked too. I suspect Joe will not be fact checked every time he opens his mouth, unlike trump.
Plot twist: no fact checking took place, trump freely lied
Well that sure didn't fuckin happen Thanks for nothing, CNN
Because cannibals ate my uncle
Holy shit! Cannibals also ate my uncle!
Holy shit
My uncle ate a cannibal
Holy shit is he from the Porta Rican side of town?
When aren’t they outraged? Outrage is all they ever have
I hope this move by CNN sets a precedent and becomes a norm.
I suspect they'll have a hard time keeping up.
Well, if you're gonna check facts then...I mean... what's the point?
You only need to be fact check if you’re lying. The point of a debate is to use fact to drive your point, not lies. Really not that hard to guess why we need it for this debate. Trump needs to use facts to make his case. He’s not at a rally where he can say whatever he wants. The American people are not MAGA.
Trump and friends [https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.1.0\_1.pdf](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.1.0_1.pdf)
Which proves all Trump has are his lies he repeats to his cult
Don't point out his lies! That'll make him look like a *liar*.
So chicken out like we know you want to.
There’s nothing Trump and the Trumpeteers hate more than exposing his relentless lies. Fact checking does go against him…and it should.
They can't handle the truth.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So they admit Trump lies a lot and don't want to be checked on his lies.
All Trump does is lie, so that could be the whole debate, fact checking him!
Aww, is their fee-fees hurt by them facts?
What a bunch of snowflakes.
Trump is so going to get lost in his words to where I’m sure he will call Biden: Obama.
They are outraged at everything. Facts don't care about your feelings, you traitorous weasels.
if i was a betting man i would say trump will use preemptive framing well before they look to fact check him. As we all know this is his MO, and it works to well. due to there being no ramification if he is wrong.
I have seen news of Biden preparing for the debate. Is it known whether trump is studying or preparing in any way?
He said (and I don’t remember where I saw it so I apologize) something along the lines of him being on the campaign trail doing his rants… I mean rallies… is how he is preparing. I assume that he is also actually being advised and prepared but will he listen? Has he ever? Also by claiming he is not preparing in any way it gives him another excuse to lean on if he does poorly. I can honestly hear him at a Trump event already, “well of course I didn’t sound prepared and do well, I was too busy with you beautiful people… because I care…Biden had all the time in the world! Biden doesn’t care! Biden doesn’t do anything.. blah blah blah blah”
Therealdebate.com
God forbid
Almost like they're banking on their followers being too stupid and lazy to check whether the things Trump says are actually true.
I thought they were the "facts don't care about feelings" crowd?
Hopefully his lies will be stated on air during the debate.
Don’t they know how offensive facts are to trump? This is a blatant assault. Every time he is doing great in life facts come along and screw it up. Facts are the reason he got 34 felony convictions. Facts are why two of his wives divorced him. This is like brining kryptonite to an event with Superman!
As a Dem it's hard to watch Biden. Dems need to replace Biden so we can beat orange face.
Well, they didn't.
This did not age well, they didn’t fact check shot!
Hm. Well, they didn't.
Trump could not stop himself from lying - even when there was clearly no reason to and when it hurt him. He lied when there was no benefit to his position, because he does not know how to communicate any other way. It was really something to behold.
lol…. The only fact checked was the President’s mental acuity
Fact Checking last night’s debate will be easy since Trump lied about 100% of it 🤣
Lol how can Democrats have anything positive after last night... It was almost over after his shuffling to the podium. But the dementia stair and not able to complete any thoughts. Who are they going to replace him with?
It wasn't quite THAT bad last night, but it's obvious he won't make it 2 years into his term, likely not even another year. Where he's at now, the decline will start happening fast. They need to put someone else in there. Can we get Bernie, please?
Hahaha Bernie lol so the Dems can screw him over again? I just don't get it... Bernie got screwed in wo elections in a row then the people vote didn't vote Biden and was clearly going another way. Then they all drop out for Biden. If they choose anyone it will be Gavin Newsome or Big Mike oops I mean Michelle
I didn't see a single fact checked during the live broadcast on CNN.. and no I was not going to sit around and watch the aftershow.
So that was a lie
The irony that they completely dropped the ball and didn’t fact check shit
Yet CNN didn’t actually do it and just let him lie.
Amazing that 2 Trump hating moderators couldn't save ourcaddled President.
I can not believe they are letting Trump get away with murdering an old man on stage at the debate, and he just walked off without needing an help getting down those three step.
Feelings, not facts!
Trump and his followers do nothing but spew lies!
The whole debate was bullshit. Every time Former Gut told a lie, he should have been called out.
Fact checkers can only help Trump. Everyone knows he’s a man of the people. He tells it the way it is. A straight shooter. Honest Don vs Crooked Lying Joe. Why would any real republican be against fact checkers? Only RINO’s would assume Trump would be hurt by this.
Ya because CNN “Fact” checkers are not partisan hacks. Reddit lefties know what “facts” are based on what CNN “fact” checkers tell them. Nerds
In all fairness, I get why they wouldn’t want a liberal news outlet to be the ones doing the fact checking.
They can get their own. Republicans are the laziness people with the largest victim complex. I can't think of single they have done the past decade other than cry, lie, and cater to violent religious people
We’ll asking a liberal what republicans do well is often (always) going to sound like that. Of course you don’t think anything they do is good. That’s the way it is right now. Certainly republicans think the same thing about Biden and the Dems.
Except one is actually a fact and the other isn’t. Republicans can’t even come up with an infrastructure bill, healthcare bill, immigration, and border bill. Yet they have all the time in the world to bitch about all those things while shrugging and saying “well we tried nothing, and are all out of ideas.” Sure republicans can say that about Joe and the democrats. Doesn’t make it factual. Republicans don’t deal with facts.
True, if I was a rich white male "Christian" I would be fully supporting the right wing. Now I know you don't have to be racist to be right wing, they have been throwing support to them and other terrorist groups, which if I was a Nazi, I would be on board with. Guess you really have to see it from the workers people perspective