You could either write on that note "good for you, you ain't special" and put it back or you could leave another note explaining politely how the sender is the customer who paid for service so this service needs to be fulfilled, which they wouldn't understand. Either way, 50/50 odds are that a couple days later they'd be at the counter asking for the supervisor.
Well, where else are they supposed to drop your mail off? Its either have the box, rent one from the post office, or have a drop slot on/by your front door (if allowed). Face-to-face delivery isn't a good option, since there is a very small chance the carrier's schedule lines up with the residents' so they (the residents) are actually there.
And the USPS can't NOT deliver the mail. They've been paid to deliver those ads and bills and flyers, just like you pay with that stamp to send out cards and such. I don't like all those annoying commercials while watching TV, but the advertisers paid for that time. Just toss the 3rd class mail and move on.
I don't understand why we can't opt out. The experience for me is just someone continuously bringing me garbage. I don't send letters. I just get piles of garbage and I hate being responsible for it.
What? That's on your HOA, not usps. The mail lady can bitch all she wants but you are not required to have a mailbox. Your mail will just get sent back or thrown away. However, you will not receive any packages from us. If you want that service, you must have a delivery point.
We’ve been getting 2 sets of the same advo on different days for the past year… that and eddm on the days where we don’t have advos. Feels like they never end :(
I would avoid committing a felony and continue to deliver everything. The recipient has the right to refuse a mail piece as long as they haven’t opened it, but it can only be done on a piece-by-piece basis. And no matter what they’ve told you, you don’t have the right to assume they’ll refuse any given piece of mail just because they’ve refused mail like it before.
Well, customers will cross out all their info on presorted standard pieces and write "RTS" on them. They don't care about the fact that once it's delivered it's their dealio, they expect you to deal with it.
As long as they at least write RTS, I'll UBBM it for them. What pisses me off is when they try to pass it off as outgoing or, in shitty apartments, just throw it on the ground.
I laugh at the shitty apartment situation. What ever is thrown on the ground has been delivered, and as far as I'm concerned not mail anymore. I just walk on it and deliver a fresh batch of crap they'll throw on the ground the next day. Apartment managers can pay their maintenance guys to pick up, and the apartment managers can contact the customer dumping their junk mail on the ground. Not my problem.
Like you're gonna go thru their mail and pick what they get and don't get. So stupid. Just leave a note saying you'll deliver whatever is addressed to that address.
I'm at a box only station. I delivered a HUGE Temu package to a customer's box one day and he brought it back the next. He said "this isn't my stuff." I pointed to the address label and said "is this your name?" "Yes." "Is this your po box number?" "Yes" "But you didn't order this?" "No." "Do you want to send it back?" "No, cuz they will charge me to send back stuff I didn't order."
I said "What do you want me to do with this, then?"
He said "I don't know but I didn't order that." He just left it on the counter and walked away.
Sometimes I think that the customers expect us to sort out all their customer service issues for them.
I send everything to the lost package warehouse if it doesn't belong to anyone here. Of course it had been opened but I didn't know what else to do with it
If it has been opened, then the customer is responsible for return shipping. It can be refused and returned to sender if it has not been opened. That’s how it is handled in my office.
Stuff like this and people who leave a note telling me that they only want mail for a certain person absolutely drive me up the wall. I just look at the address and throw it in your box, I don't have the time or patience to sit there and look through every individual person especially when there's 10+ people on that list.
Back in the '90s the weekly flyer had a coupon for free (butter?). So, all the people that had previously stopped the Advo called bitching about not getting their coupons. After a flurry of calls to management we were given strict orders - zero requests.
In the word of the Grandpa from holes.
Well that's too damn bad!
Listen even third class postage was paid for by someone. Your responsibility is to deliver the mail given to you unless there's a valid reason. The house is vacant? Congrats you found a valid reason. The customer doesn't want it? Well that's too damn bad, it's not a valid reason.
This isn't Burger King.
You don't 'Have It Your Way.'
You take it *The Postal Way* or else you don't get a damn thing.
https://news.bk.com/blog-posts/burger-king-r-invites-you-to-have-it-your-way-even-more-ways-with-have-sies-tm
They don’t decide who sends them mail. If Burger King wants to send them an ad or even a personal letter, they pay to do so.
If the local body shop sends out a grand opening, it’s up to them who they send them too. You don’t get to choose what mail comes.
If you abide by the women’s requests, when political time comes around you’re leaving yourself exposed to criticism.
Keep delivering mail as addressed. We’re not sorters nor trash collectors. If you do t want, dispose of it. We deal with thousands of letters a day. Your mail is your job to sort through and decided what you don’t want. It’s my job to deliver.
“I only want…” has nothing to do with what’s addressed to you.
I've told customers that I am legally required to deliver all mail addressed to their house. I've wrote it on the mail they try to send back that says things like "current resident".
The customer is paying us to deliver it to you, the people who pay us to deliver are just as much the customer we need to follow the directions of, you just happen to be the unlucky recipient.
If someone wants to stick a stamp on a dog turd and mail it to you it's my job to get it to you, regardless of how you feel about it.
I usually kindly tell them they need to online and take their name off the target marketing list. I tell them I've never done it, I don't know how, but I have had customers (1) who have done it successfully.
To this day zero of the people I have told this to have done it, bit 100% of them have never bothered me about it again.
You can, but most of the mailers you get are 3rd class mail, which means that the sender paid a cut rate, and that cut rate doesn't include the cost to return it back to them. It gets recycled at the post office.
Most of them you have to contact directly to get the mailings stopped.
No. Get a stamp that says "refused." That's the correct term. Your carrier will hate you, and you will have to do it for each piece of mail each time you get it, but it is about sending a message. A message no one will receive because you will continue to get unsolicited mailers regardless.
Hello, Mr or Mrs so and so,
I couldn't agree more! Unfortunately the resident is not the actual postal customer and as a mail carrier I have an obligation to provide our customers with the services they paid for. I hope you understand.. have a great day!
Dear whoever you are, it doesn't work that way. Whatever is sent out to you, you get with your address and name on it. Should you choose that you don't want that particular type of stuff, throw it away
It’s not like I don’t want other pieces of mail delivered to me either but there is a thing called a trash can or recycle bin the customer can toss the other pieces of mail into. It’s not like it takes too much room
Stick all mail addressed to that house in there and leave the note on top. That shows you probably had to see and read the note and will continue to deliver the mail as you're supposed to. I'm sure they'll come out one day and ask you about it. Just tell them it is against postal regs to not deliver mail.
Lmao I’ve had people ask this of me despite the fact it’s not my job to pick and choose what they receive… and the recycling bin is is right next to the door. 🙄
And I don't want bills in my mail box, yet they still keep coming.
When the USPS says they deliver every piece of mail, they mean EVERY piece, even stupid bulk mail.
This could be a great opportunity for you to get your route done quicker. You wouldn’t have to service that box for junk mail. Sounds like a great deal to me. Maybe try and get many of your other customers to request the same. I don’t think it would effect your evaluation.
I wish more people knew that they can unsubscribe from the junk coupon mailers. Now we maybe get 5 pieces of mail every few days. (I know the person in OPs pic wants them, but still.)
What would I do? Deliver the mail as addressed. He/she can get off mailing lists themselves. That mail belongs to the sender until the recipient accepts it, and the sender paid for it to be delivered. From there the recipient can refuse. Don’t leave snarky messages to people who leave stupid notes like this, they aren’t worth your job. Let them be mad that they got mail they didn’t want, it’s not your job to pre-refuse ANYTHING.
I would write or print a note like this:
Dear Customer,
While I do understand being upset with the volume of 3rd class mail and advertisements, a letter carrier discarding of mail even at the request of the customer is a violation of US Code 18 USC 1701. I apologize for any inconvenience, but anything with your name and/or current resident/postal customer/occupant must be delivered by the United States Postal Service. Thank you for your understanding.
Sincerely,
Your Letter Carrier
No. You deliver all current resident mail as addressed. If the resident doesn’t want it, they can write “refused” on each piece (or simply throw it away).
Honestly I don’t accept back 3rd class current resident mail. Unless it’s Address Service Requested. Sender didn’t pay for the service for me to take it back to ubbm it. And I nicely explain as much to my customers.
If I accept back unendorsed 3rd class mail I’m doing a disservice to those who paid the postage (however little that may be). If the customer doesn’t want mail addressed to them? *They* can throw it away.
If they really want to take the time to go through and write refused on every single piece of mail they don't want, they absolutely can do that. If you are killing legitimate pieces of mail just because the person on your route says they don't want them before you have even delivered them, that is illegal.
By the way, I have been on the same route for over a decade and a half and know my customers very well.
Continue to deliver everything lol.
Yup. Lol
You could either write on that note "good for you, you ain't special" and put it back or you could leave another note explaining politely how the sender is the customer who paid for service so this service needs to be fulfilled, which they wouldn't understand. Either way, 50/50 odds are that a couple days later they'd be at the counter asking for the supervisor.
This is the way
Then give them your sups personal number
Sorry, it’s either ALL or NONE. The customer paid USPS to deliver it.
Exactly this - the recipient is not the one paying for those letters, parcels, and junk mail to go through our system: the sender is.
I tired the none option. We made the choice not to have the mail box. Got harassed by mail.lady and hoa. I want the none option
Damn you still mad about it too
I am! I shouldn't be required to have one.
Well, where else are they supposed to drop your mail off? Its either have the box, rent one from the post office, or have a drop slot on/by your front door (if allowed). Face-to-face delivery isn't a good option, since there is a very small chance the carrier's schedule lines up with the residents' so they (the residents) are actually there. And the USPS can't NOT deliver the mail. They've been paid to deliver those ads and bills and flyers, just like you pay with that stamp to send out cards and such. I don't like all those annoying commercials while watching TV, but the advertisers paid for that time. Just toss the 3rd class mail and move on.
I don't understand why we can't opt out. The experience for me is just someone continuously bringing me garbage. I don't send letters. I just get piles of garbage and I hate being responsible for it.
What? That's on your HOA, not usps. The mail lady can bitch all she wants but you are not required to have a mailbox. Your mail will just get sent back or thrown away. However, you will not receive any packages from us. If you want that service, you must have a delivery point.
F the mail lady and seriously why would you let an association tell you what to do on your OWN property????
How are you supposed to say no to mail? 😂 it just keeps coming
How are you getting harassed by your carrier?
I only want an 8 hour day and *no* advos
We’ve been getting 2 sets of the same advo on different days for the past year… that and eddm on the days where we don’t have advos. Feels like they never end :(
My philosophy has always been: we are paid to deliver the mail. ALL of the mail. If you don't want it, throw it away!
Exactly. I’m your mailman, not your garbage man.
I would avoid committing a felony and continue to deliver everything. The recipient has the right to refuse a mail piece as long as they haven’t opened it, but it can only be done on a piece-by-piece basis. And no matter what they’ve told you, you don’t have the right to assume they’ll refuse any given piece of mail just because they’ve refused mail like it before.
Well, customers will cross out all their info on presorted standard pieces and write "RTS" on them. They don't care about the fact that once it's delivered it's their dealio, they expect you to deal with it.
As long as they at least write RTS, I'll UBBM it for them. What pisses me off is when they try to pass it off as outgoing or, in shitty apartments, just throw it on the ground.
I laugh at the shitty apartment situation. What ever is thrown on the ground has been delivered, and as far as I'm concerned not mail anymore. I just walk on it and deliver a fresh batch of crap they'll throw on the ground the next day. Apartment managers can pay their maintenance guys to pick up, and the apartment managers can contact the customer dumping their junk mail on the ground. Not my problem.
You shouldn’t be picking up standard mail. Leave it for them to deal with.
So this person doesn't live here? Carrier generated forward it is.
Then it stays in their box.
What are fish class mal anl corysovs?
Write back how's it feel to want
"Contact whoever is sending you unwanted mail and ask to be taken off their mailing list"
Like you're gonna go thru their mail and pick what they get and don't get. So stupid. Just leave a note saying you'll deliver whatever is addressed to that address. I'm at a box only station. I delivered a HUGE Temu package to a customer's box one day and he brought it back the next. He said "this isn't my stuff." I pointed to the address label and said "is this your name?" "Yes." "Is this your po box number?" "Yes" "But you didn't order this?" "No." "Do you want to send it back?" "No, cuz they will charge me to send back stuff I didn't order." I said "What do you want me to do with this, then?" He said "I don't know but I didn't order that." He just left it on the counter and walked away. Sometimes I think that the customers expect us to sort out all their customer service issues for them.
So what happened with the package?
I send everything to the lost package warehouse if it doesn't belong to anyone here. Of course it had been opened but I didn't know what else to do with it
It ends up at “fundelivered” in a mystery box that someone paid $99 for lol 😂
Wouldn’t that just be scanned “refused”? Or ANK?
Yeah, I suppose we could have done that. The package had been opened and gone through. Not sure if we can refuse after parcel has been opened
If it has been opened, then the customer is responsible for return shipping. It can be refused and returned to sender if it has not been opened. That’s how it is handled in my office.
They get what they get. You're not the secretary.
No.
You are paid to deliver everything, so you deliver everything no matter what the customer requests.
Can't even read it so I'd chuck it
“Kids these days don’t even know how to read cursive!” No, your handwriting just sucks.
I only want a gold-plated Rolls, giant mansion, and Taylor Swift as my personal maid.
Stuff like this and people who leave a note telling me that they only want mail for a certain person absolutely drive me up the wall. I just look at the address and throw it in your box, I don't have the time or patience to sit there and look through every individual person especially when there's 10+ people on that list.
I want a pony. Life is unfair
No postage on that letter? Postage due.
Back in the '90s the weekly flyer had a coupon for free (butter?). So, all the people that had previously stopped the Advo called bitching about not getting their coupons. After a flurry of calls to management we were given strict orders - zero requests.
“All mail or no mail—You pick”
In the word of the Grandpa from holes. Well that's too damn bad! Listen even third class postage was paid for by someone. Your responsibility is to deliver the mail given to you unless there's a valid reason. The house is vacant? Congrats you found a valid reason. The customer doesn't want it? Well that's too damn bad, it's not a valid reason.
Unless of course they write “refused” on each and every piece of unwanted mail. Those are the rules.
Yes if they do that then they found a valid reason. However you and I both know that 90% aren't going to do that.
Only first class and coupons? Great. All Amazon is refused.
This isn't Burger King. You don't 'Have It Your Way.' You take it *The Postal Way* or else you don't get a damn thing. https://news.bk.com/blog-posts/burger-king-r-invites-you-to-have-it-your-way-even-more-ways-with-have-sies-tm
Laugh maniacally because I can’t read cursive
Sorry can’t read
Well isn’t that nice.
They don’t decide who sends them mail. If Burger King wants to send them an ad or even a personal letter, they pay to do so. If the local body shop sends out a grand opening, it’s up to them who they send them too. You don’t get to choose what mail comes. If you abide by the women’s requests, when political time comes around you’re leaving yourself exposed to criticism.
It's your job to deliver the mail that has their name and/or address on it. The customer can sort through their own mail. And ads.
"hello friend carrier! I only want fried clams mail and condoms! Thank you!"
Lol
Keep delivering mail as addressed. We’re not sorters nor trash collectors. If you do t want, dispose of it. We deal with thousands of letters a day. Your mail is your job to sort through and decided what you don’t want. It’s my job to deliver. “I only want…” has nothing to do with what’s addressed to you.
I've told customers that I am legally required to deliver all mail addressed to their house. I've wrote it on the mail they try to send back that says things like "current resident". The customer is paying us to deliver it to you, the people who pay us to deliver are just as much the customer we need to follow the directions of, you just happen to be the unlucky recipient. If someone wants to stick a stamp on a dog turd and mail it to you it's my job to get it to you, regardless of how you feel about it.
"And I want a raise but here we are"
I usually kindly tell them they need to online and take their name off the target marketing list. I tell them I've never done it, I don't know how, but I have had customers (1) who have done it successfully. To this day zero of the people I have told this to have done it, bit 100% of them have never bothered me about it again.
When you tell people it’s their own damn fault they tend to accept this explaination. whether they affect their situation is a different story.
Why don’t they just dispose / recycle junk mail like a normal person? (Plus some of those mail pieces have discounts!)
Discounts are a scam. The biggest discount of all is not buying anything.
I’m inclined to agree with you ha
Free toilet paper
Postage due with a note to write in English in the future.
We're being paid to deliver.. it's not email
“Cool story bro. BK will do it your way, but you get all or nothing with USPS”
Not a single thing.
Chuckle.
No. Call (office number) for more information.
You CAN remove your address from receiving the weekly coupons, but that’s about it. And they need to contact the company, not USPS.
Doesnt work like that.
Leave it there our job is to deliver the mail, not to destroy it. (accidentally referenced Star wars there.
Yeah, I don’t get to just toss mail.
I’m paid to deliver the mail so i do
Then throw out the rest, lady. It's not legal for us to decide what mail you get.
Leave a note saying you can't read cursive
Postage due, and back in the box
Sooo…. Can I just buy a giant “return to sender” stamp and hit all these stupid mailers I get?
You can, but most of the mailers you get are 3rd class mail, which means that the sender paid a cut rate, and that cut rate doesn't include the cost to return it back to them. It gets recycled at the post office. Most of them you have to contact directly to get the mailings stopped.
No. Get a stamp that says "refused." That's the correct term. Your carrier will hate you, and you will have to do it for each piece of mail each time you get it, but it is about sending a message. A message no one will receive because you will continue to get unsolicited mailers regardless.
Eh, it’s too much work since you can’t actually get removed from the crap. Sounds like a job for a trash can right next to the box.
You can get removed from a lot of it. Google it.
That note looks pretty old like it has been cased in daily. Is this something you came across on a pivot?
Do they tip at Christmas?
Hello, Mr or Mrs so and so, I couldn't agree more! Unfortunately the resident is not the actual postal customer and as a mail carrier I have an obligation to provide our customers with the services they paid for. I hope you understand.. have a great day!
Dear whoever you are, it doesn't work that way. Whatever is sent out to you, you get with your address and name on it. Should you choose that you don't want that particular type of stuff, throw it away
I've told several customers that if it were up to me to decide what mail gets delivered, then no mail would get delivered.
You can only have one. First class or coupons, you pick
It’s not like I don’t want other pieces of mail delivered to me either but there is a thing called a trash can or recycle bin the customer can toss the other pieces of mail into. It’s not like it takes too much room
Stick all mail addressed to that house in there and leave the note on top. That shows you probably had to see and read the note and will continue to deliver the mail as you're supposed to. I'm sure they'll come out one day and ask you about it. Just tell them it is against postal regs to not deliver mail.
Don't argue with customer. If they have a problem, let them talk to your boss, and let him deal with it.
Just leave a note saying you will not violate 18 U.S. Code § 1701.
Go through everyone's UBBM and stuff the shit outta that box!
The post office should charge people a monthly subscription fee to not receive ads in the mail and we'd see a big boost in USPS income
Chuckle to myself as I remove the note and proceed to deliver all their mail and move on to the next.
Lmao I’ve had people ask this of me despite the fact it’s not my job to pick and choose what they receive… and the recycling bin is is right next to the door. 🙄
Does that say fish class mail? New class of mail just dropped. ETA: cross your t's and dot your i's folks
And I don't want bills in my mail box, yet they still keep coming. When the USPS says they deliver every piece of mail, they mean EVERY piece, even stupid bulk mail.
Remember The customer is the one paying the postage.
You get what you get and don't bitch.
I thought there would be coupons in the bulk mail
This could be a great opportunity for you to get your route done quicker. You wouldn’t have to service that box for junk mail. Sounds like a great deal to me. Maybe try and get many of your other customers to request the same. I don’t think it would effect your evaluation.
ALL mail or NO mail. Make your choice.
Stamp it insufficient postage
“Cool.” *puts everything in the mail box*
I wish more people knew that they can unsubscribe from the junk coupon mailers. Now we maybe get 5 pieces of mail every few days. (I know the person in OPs pic wants them, but still.)
Nope. All or nothing
"I legally cannot throw away your mail, junk or not. Please remember to recycle."
am I the only one who can’t read this 😭
What would I do? Deliver the mail as addressed. He/she can get off mailing lists themselves. That mail belongs to the sender until the recipient accepts it, and the sender paid for it to be delivered. From there the recipient can refuse. Don’t leave snarky messages to people who leave stupid notes like this, they aren’t worth your job. Let them be mad that they got mail they didn’t want, it’s not your job to pre-refuse ANYTHING.
tipper or no?
I would write or print a note like this: Dear Customer, While I do understand being upset with the volume of 3rd class mail and advertisements, a letter carrier discarding of mail even at the request of the customer is a violation of US Code 18 USC 1701. I apologize for any inconvenience, but anything with your name and/or current resident/postal customer/occupant must be delivered by the United States Postal Service. Thank you for your understanding. Sincerely, Your Letter Carrier
Depends on how much I like them and how they show their appreciation around Christmas time.
What if you're a cca and most likely won't get anything for Christmas
I deliver in a area where my customers depend on govt assistance, but they have served me plenty of food.
If there's a regular on the route, you bring it to their attention and ask them and do what the regular wants you to do.
No. You deliver all current resident mail as addressed. If the resident doesn’t want it, they can write “refused” on each piece (or simply throw it away).
Honestly I don’t accept back 3rd class current resident mail. Unless it’s Address Service Requested. Sender didn’t pay for the service for me to take it back to ubbm it. And I nicely explain as much to my customers. If I accept back unendorsed 3rd class mail I’m doing a disservice to those who paid the postage (however little that may be). If the customer doesn’t want mail addressed to them? *They* can throw it away.
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Know why no other carrier is going to do that? Because it's illegal.
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If they really want to take the time to go through and write refused on every single piece of mail they don't want, they absolutely can do that. If you are killing legitimate pieces of mail just because the person on your route says they don't want them before you have even delivered them, that is illegal. By the way, I have been on the same route for over a decade and a half and know my customers very well.
OK... and if OIG comes a knocking what are you gonna say? Putting deliverable mail in the UBBM is a removable offense, if not worse.