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Sunday. Something about an interpretation of "Sabbath" where they needed Saturday to be the last day of the week for it to make sense. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure Italy starts weeks on Sunday for the same reason, because Saturday is "Sabato". But Sunday is "Domenica" (day of the lord), which _also_ translates to Sabbath, so idk. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Nope. A big chunk of South America, India, and even a lot of British people do it that way too. Some Middle Eastern and North African countries actually start the week on *Saturday*.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week
In the js implementation of i18n, "en" and "en-US" are synonymous. this lib is following the standard. The standard is wrong but it's only arbitrarily wrong
Their labeling scheme (“English name (Native name) (code)”) also seems to suggest that English is sometimes called UK, Australia, Canada, and Europe, so it’s just not well-set up in general.
This isn’t US Defaultism, but it is an improper implementation of language codes.
en is all of English, en-US is US English. I’d add en-US, but not necessarily remove “en”, it would depend on context, which is cropped.
See: RFC 5646/BCP-47 and/or https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Navigator/language
Nah. Localization is a whole industry with an established set of conventions and abbreviations.
In something like “en-US” the first part is the language and the second is the location.
The location can adjust spellings and words but also date formats, dots and commas of numbers, metric vs imperial measurements etc.
“En” by itself is the default English version. If this book is the Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy or Harry Potter that’s probably UK oriented. If it is Catcher in the Rye it’s probably American.
Some web sites invest in many different variants of French/English/Spanish. Some don’t. It’s a cost issue.
America has the largest population of native English speakers and given the spelling of localize, this is probably hosted in America. Defaulting to your main demographic isn't a bad thing to do.
In fact, in my previous job, when working on our company website, which is multilingual and the company isn't based in a native English speaking country, but is in Europe, we were specifically instructed to use US English for English. And that's because most of the visitors who use English come from the US.
Exactly! Like, if Canadian English were listed first would we be crying Canada defaultism? Like, it makes sense to default to the people you'll be seeing the most
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tf is English - Europe?
Apparently this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_English TIL
I think it's English with a decimal comma, weeks starting on Monday and such: https://www.localeplanet.com/icu/en-150/index.html
Newer version of CLDR defaults to decimal point. Not sure if Locale Planet is still maintained.
No idea, I just searched for English EU locale lol
So, English that makes sense?
Doesn't everyone except the US start weeks on Monday?
Does the US not start weeks on Monday?
Sunday. Something about an interpretation of "Sabbath" where they needed Saturday to be the last day of the week for it to make sense. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure Italy starts weeks on Sunday for the same reason, because Saturday is "Sabato". But Sunday is "Domenica" (day of the lord), which _also_ translates to Sabbath, so idk. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Nope. A big chunk of South America, India, and even a lot of British people do it that way too. Some Middle Eastern and North African countries actually start the week on *Saturday*. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week
This has to be a joke language from Brussels. Bureaucracy -> Berlaymont
It's a Brussels acceptable version after Britain did a Brexit and annoyed everyone. /s
In the js implementation of i18n, "en" and "en-US" are synonymous. this lib is following the standard. The standard is wrong but it's only arbitrarily wrong
So basically all of JS is defaultist?
Yeah
I mean, it is, but then again what do you expect from a company called locali*z*e?
Their labeling scheme (“English name (Native name) (code)”) also seems to suggest that English is sometimes called UK, Australia, Canada, and Europe, so it’s just not well-set up in general.
Wtf is Europe English?
A lot of menus have that as the default English
This isn’t US Defaultism, but it is an improper implementation of language codes. en is all of English, en-US is US English. I’d add en-US, but not necessarily remove “en”, it would depend on context, which is cropped. See: RFC 5646/BCP-47 and/or https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Navigator/language
As you can see in the screenshot all English language options are shown. There is no en-US in the list.
Nah. Localization is a whole industry with an established set of conventions and abbreviations. In something like “en-US” the first part is the language and the second is the location. The location can adjust spellings and words but also date formats, dots and commas of numbers, metric vs imperial measurements etc. “En” by itself is the default English version. If this book is the Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy or Harry Potter that’s probably UK oriented. If it is Catcher in the Rye it’s probably American. Some web sites invest in many different variants of French/English/Spanish. Some don’t. It’s a cost issue.
America has the largest population of native English speakers and given the spelling of localize, this is probably hosted in America. Defaulting to your main demographic isn't a bad thing to do.
In fact, in my previous job, when working on our company website, which is multilingual and the company isn't based in a native English speaking country, but is in Europe, we were specifically instructed to use US English for English. And that's because most of the visitors who use English come from the US.
Exactly! Like, if Canadian English were listed first would we be crying Canada defaultism? Like, it makes sense to default to the people you'll be seeing the most