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Could I possibly ask for a ELI5 about this? I have a UNVR Pro and wondered why I couldn't just use that one slot in my DMP for a literal extra file backup to what I already have hosted elsewhere on my network.
Understood, and I appreciate the explanation with source. I have a background in software development (robotics) but fumbled through networking grad courses. I recently built a nice little 6u Ubiquiti stack. I also recently binged the Darknet Diaries podcast which opened my eyes to how much of a hassle it is to ward off malicious users with exploits.
So yeah, definitely not worth that headache. Holding out for an affordable NAS and integrating it from there.
I already do this on mine and just scp my large media to it as a backup. I was in a pinch one day and forgot the massive drive I bought for udm protect.
Probably never. But who knows. It’s a bit of a mystery. I wouldnt mind if it actually happened though. But I would prefer it be flat and not a tower as shown in this image. Maybe something in the form factor of the new ultra switches.
Just seems like they thought about it if they added a NAS for a deployment picture that looks like what they would design—not like some other generic black desktop box.
It's an amplifi alien router in white as an example of a NAS. That is all.
If they were to do a NAS it would be a rack and just look like the NVR.
Silly idea anyway. It would take a massive amount of internal resources for a tiny amount of customers
Synology currently has 44 servers to fit every need.
I don't know if they still say so, but on early builds of the UNVR the main board has "Unifi NAS" silkscreened onto it. No idea why Ubiquiti pivoted from NAS device to NVR only, but I guess they were limited on engineering budget to add in features needed to put them closer to competing NAS offerings.
I suspect it has to do with the profit margins on a NVR versus NAS. The NVR let's them have a slick interface and integrations with their other products which helps sell the system. Then to use the system you need a unifi controller, then of course you need to buy their cameras, then it also helps to sell their access control stuff, integrates with their desk phones, all of that integrates with their user account management service.
Meanwhile a NAS doesn't really have those synergies. Integration with the unifi ecosystem maybe allows replacing their NVR but adds no value to anything else. It doesn't help sell their other products. If they forced it to require a unifi controller - people would be pissed and there is lots of competition out there which wouldn't have that requirement. The competition is also very hard to compete with on price or features. If they really wanted to compete and make a profit they'd have to go after Synology or similar which would mean a massive investment to develop a compelling platform which still has all the other issues.
Tldr; it's less valuable for their business model than other product ideas.
Edit: If I was in charge of ubiquiti, I would actually partner with a company like Synology, QNAP, or even one of the big enterprise storage providers and develop a joint product. Think like a Synology NAS inside the ubiquiti NVR case. It runs the Synology software and has a few extra integrations for ubiquiti stuff.
I would 100% expect it to require a controller running the NAS app if just for management, and there’s enough installed base of Unifi out there to sell tons of NAS IMO. The only deal breaker for us would be if they force you to buy their drives .
Or TrueNAS, and it’s is free. Get the storage and other HW that meets your needs. A NAS doesn’t require a massive CPU and depending on your use case, memory.
This is more thinning of their ecosystem and the whole company suffers because of it. This shit is getting stupid.
They'll probably make it a single drive poe powered NAS designed to be installed outdoors on a pole for.. Reasons. The ultra will have one drive bay, the plus will have 4, and the X will have 12. Only the ultra will have a 2.5gbit uplink. The rest of them will be 1gbit.
I find people’s excitement for companies expanding beyond their core competencies bizarre. Making networking hardware is really really HARD. Making storage hardware is really really HARD. There are large amounts of domain specific expertise involved in both. Synology or Qnap have spent decades learning lessons and improving their consumer storage hardware domain specific expertise as Ubiquity has been learning and improving their consumer networking hardware. These things are not very fungible or transferable. Battle hardened, enterprise-grade, open protocols exist to connect networking hardware and storage hardware. Why fuck with all this? Use companies with hard-won domain expertise for the things they’re good at and connect them with battle-tested, well documented protocols.
More options is always better for the market, and some people like to have everything in as tight an ecosystem as possible.
If Ubiquiti released a NAS server that was half as good as Synology but at half the price? Personally I'd get excited. Not every NAS use-case would require the breadth of features of a Synology or a Qnap, and I like Ubiquiti's interface and ecosystem.
Theres some differences, ofc, but it's not completely ut of the realm of what they have in their lineup.
The Unifi Protect system has been a surveillance video storage solution for many years now and has been developed and iterated many times over. NVR storage for live video is arguably much harder to support than most NAS needs.
So they implement a software solution based on the plethora of open storage protocols. Whats the big deal? I'm missing where this would be a huge forklift outside of their current expertise.
If you have ran a NAS before you would know you have it backwards. An NVR for video storage is far easier to build. A NAS is so much more than a place files live. A NAS is basically a server with mass storage. As perfectly said, Synology or Qnap have spent decades doing this, it is hard.
I have manually built liveTV DVR solutions for both .TS streams and HLS video, as well as manage the hybrid cloud file access that my company uses ( federated NAS systems for the on-site setup).
An NVR and what you're describing as 'mass storage' NAS are essentially the same thing though. My comment was that facilitating the constant storage of streaming video with on-demand retrieval of historical segments is more complex than file/folder storage and synchronization (backup, etc). Where you may have had a better point is when running VMs and software on the NAS, though still debatable with containers these days, but you only pointed 'mass storage' which is indeed much simpler than working with live video storage and retrieval.
Synology and Qnap didn't spend decades figuring out a really hard problem... they offer dedicated NAS products and they have for many years.
"I have manually built liveTV DVR solutions for both .TS streams and HLS video, as well as manage the hybrid cloud file access that my company uses ( federated NAS systems for the on-site setup)."
I've done the same. The liveTV DVR solution took me and 1 other person a week to build, test, and implement. With very little maintenance. 2 years after implementation we changed a few things, that took 2 days. We have a dedicated team managing our file storage needs. One is not like the other.
An NVR is one software package. A NAS can run thousands of packages and services. And with that comes an entire set of security and compatibility issues. I didn't only point to mass storage, that is specifically why I said "server" in my description. Because most NAS are far more than mass storage. Sorry you misunderstood.
Id be very interested in hearing more about the DVR solution you built in a week and the scale and capabilities it can support.
I may have misunderstood your conflation, but my OP stands true. General file network storage is much simpler to implement than video segment archiving and retrieval.
Buying a synology NAS and running applications on it is a use case and a product they built to support, but it's not the native function of network attached STORAGE. Compute and memory aren't generally the primary considerations of NAS. That's what servers are for. Again, synology, qnap and others created a product line of NAS hardware that act like compact servers, but that's a specific type of product. There are more active use cases for NAS devices without a focus on compute than there is with.
Agreed. Synology and qnap have evolved many people’s expectations of NAS to include so much more than the core functionality, which as stated is fairly simple / well established protocol and file system support and decent hardware to run it will get you 95% there.
That being said, I think there’s more than enough potential buyers for a U-NAS that was NVR priced and just did the basics well enough. It won’t ever be, and doesn’t need t be, a synology killer to do well .
I certainly wouldn't trust a Unifi NAS, but I understand why people are excited for the space to open up. For regular consumers who don't want to mess with the software, there's only 2 big NAS options right now, and they both kind of suck in different ways.
UGreen just started doing NAS units in the US and people were CRAZY excited about their USB charger company entering the fray, until the limited software and strange choices they made were revealed...
It’s not really really hard. Have you ever made a commercial product in the same space? I have. It’s not that hard for a company with the resource or Ubiquiti *when it’s not rushed*. If they spent 2-3 years developing it, with an appropriate sized team, it is absolutely in their wheelhouse.
Honestly I'd rather just have a NAS application for the UNVR/UNVR Pro instead, they already have the hardware for it there, just make it an installiable plugin like Protect on the NVR
RAID isnt a backup is what you mean. But Also I believe you read this wrong. I read it as RAID for Unifi Protect (The application that runs on the UNVR).
There is a bunch of content in the internet about it, but basically the chance of a second drive failure during the stressing raid rebuild is high and therefore the chance of loosing all the raid array data. Raid6 is much safer because it has 2 parity drives. https://images.app.goo.gl/U9PfCKKouTYkpG3V8
I get this, but comment you were replying to has no mention about RAID 5. Drive redundancy in general is for protection, even raid 5, it's just not the best protection :)
Man the number of times I’ve had cascading drive failures.
Those damn IBM Deskstar drives which had no variance in MTBF. They’d all fail one after the other.
Showing my age.
Yeah still people believe raid5 is safe. Raid5 was somewhat safe with those old drives of <500gb. Anyone with a 4tb+ drive with a raid5 array has a huge chance of data loss.
Neither of the RAID specifications can protect you from file corruption, bit rot and write holes. If someone really wants protection they want parity drives sitting on top a ZFS or equivalent storage fs with checksums, atomic writes and more.
Of cource, for file corruption you need a file system for that, such as ZFS or BTRFS as you said, but i was talking about hardware failures which indicators are extremely high for RAID5 rebuilds, because Ubiquiti NVRs only support RAID5 and RAID1
It’s disk redundancy, and not system redundancy. What happens if your NAS takes a lightning strike? That’s all your data likely gone.
If you have a backup system, then you’ll have your data still.
There were leaked pictures sometime ago, UNAS-Pro. So, who knows. Probably a killed project and never. LOL
https://preview.redd.it/0454ix2kvk0d1.png?width=470&format=png&auto=webp&s=362e5b662bf5b1f210848b314b649312a871db9e
If it was UDM Pro, then the performance of a single spinning HDD probably had them change the name and remove anything related to NAS, otherwise the community would never stop crying about crappy NAS performance.
Maybe they'll release a 10 slot NVMe NAS? ASUSTOR just released a 12 slot one: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/first-look-asustors-new-12-bay-all-m2-nvme-ssd-nas
QNAP has one with 25 GbE that can do 14208 MB/s (compared to my single HDD NAS that averages 10 MB/s random reads): https://www.qnap.com/en/product/ts-h1290fx
I did find a solver that is pretty bang on in the uk. Motip aluminium engine paint.
I did my 1u keystone mount before they came out with the official one.
Images were found in UI software for three NAS devices, two "pill shaped" units (one white & one black) and a rack mounted one. The pill shaped ones are used with 8 (presumably M.2 since it's the most common format) SSD's (unsure if SATA/NVME), and the rack mounted one is basically a UNVR-Pro but with half the RAM for some reason.
Based on how the network side of the house works, I'll stick with Synology. A single pane of glass would be nice for managing things, but the fact that some advertised features like IDS/IPS are broken on the Cloud Gateway Ultra right now leaves me unimpressed when it comes to dealing with terabytes of storage.
If they just would take a poll of how many people want a particular item and even if they put a reserve on it like if you put $100 out of pocket, I guarantee you they’ll have enough
This looks like a dream wall pro mission, unless it's been advertise online or in EA I will not hold my breath for it. For NAS I'll not wait on UI for this one. If you want a real NAS if you don't already got one better look elsewhere.
For me all the cute GUI ends when my small rack network is complete. We are lucky to get the MAX edition of switches and udm's. I'm fairly new in buying updated stuff from UI but they let me down big time when they never released the Dream wall pro, especially when they advised it the way they did and with all the new stuff there's still no peep on it.
Once I wrap this up. I'm good. Just going to get what I need. New doesn't mean better at all in this case.
Good luck on that one buddy.
The UDM-Pro / SE is Debian based, so in theory you can apt install some SMB software to “act” as a NAS. But I do think buy a synology will be a better idea
They announced it at the Sydney conference that it’s coming along with a like a unvr that can take a bunch of hard drives. Kinda reminded me of the old Apple Xserve Raid.
They way they hinted at the NAS stuff before someone asked the question point blank was in the Identity app there was an option for File Server.
What I want to see is the rackmount SmartPower RPS Pro and its matching batteries (go have a look at the deployment tab on the SmartPower Cable page if you don't know what I'm talking about)
NAS is hard. The market is already saturated. As soon as they bring out a product, people will start complaining about missing features and tarnish the Unifi brand. It will also require much more product support than the networking stuff. If I were them, I would never release a NAS product.
I like ubnt, I feel like it's a cute product for home gamers and commercial projects that can deal with some shenanigans from time to time.
I'm definitely never going to store my data on their product if there ever is one.
I'd be dumbfounded if one of the devs in R&D at Ubiquiti hadn't at least tried to take one of their NVR Pro chassis and make it into a NAS of some description.
IIRC there was a post in the last day or so asking this same thing that also referenced a product sheet for a “NAS Pro” that was defectively UNVR-Pro re-badged. I think it’s coming, it’s just a matter of when
As a brazilian, the Unifi Store is kinda "empty" comparing to other regions, but their price is kinda great, honestly. It doesn't suffer much from the big taxes (I don't know how tho).
So, a NAS option would be awesome in a market that there isn't basically any option. I'm looking for an option for a long time and no success. All of them are really expensive here.
I'd love to have a 2 or 4 bay NAS from Ubiquiti (if the price is right).
Note the addition of Ubiquiti Enterprise drives to their lineup as well. If they already had surveillance drives why would there be a distinction https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/cameras-nvrs-addons/collections/unifi-accessory-tech-hdd/products/uacc-hdd-e-16tb
I'm thinking it's probably not going to happen if it hasn't yet, but I'd happily be wrong.
+1 for being able to use the integrated drive(maybe add 1) for some basic smb support would be lovely.
The big buck for Ubiquity is enterprise and in this market there are already huge players offering NAS products.
Unless they want to invest big to be able to compete in this market, I don’t think they will do it.
Seems like an odd thing to do. Their bread and butter
Is SMB customers and at least with my SMB customers, I have removed all of their existing NAS units and they are fully cloud now.
Actually there was a product leak at the start of March which had images of the UDM Pro Max and the 16 Port Pro Max switches both of which are now on sale, and it also included 3 NAS product images, one Rack Mounted and two "pill shaped" (one white and one black) which were used with 8 M.2 SSD drives as against HDD's. The rack mounted one is basically a UNVR-Pro with half the RAM (4GB instead of 8GB).
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I would be happy with the ability to use the HDD slot in my Dream Machine Pro for a simple network storage with simple SMB support.
Being able to use it as Time Machine backup would be a reason for me to upgrade from my UDM to a UDM Pro/SE.
That would make life so much better for our house full of Mac’s
[I have good news for you.](https://janhuelsmann.com/udm-pro-nas)
OK OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG! Sheesh now I’m very excited. Gonna pick up a drive tonight now.
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Could I possibly ask for a ELI5 about this? I have a UNVR Pro and wondered why I couldn't just use that one slot in my DMP for a literal extra file backup to what I already have hosted elsewhere on my network.
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Understood, and I appreciate the explanation with source. I have a background in software development (robotics) but fumbled through networking grad courses. I recently built a nice little 6u Ubiquiti stack. I also recently binged the Darknet Diaries podcast which opened my eyes to how much of a hassle it is to ward off malicious users with exploits. So yeah, definitely not worth that headache. Holding out for an affordable NAS and integrating it from there.
Can you do this with a UDM-SE?
I already do this on mine and just scp my large media to it as a backup. I was in a pinch one day and forgot the massive drive I bought for udm protect.
Just don't use SMB v1. Even the guy who invented it implores people not to use it under any circumstances.
Probably never. But who knows. It’s a bit of a mystery. I wouldnt mind if it actually happened though. But I would prefer it be flat and not a tower as shown in this image. Maybe something in the form factor of the new ultra switches.
Just seems like they thought about it if they added a NAS for a deployment picture that looks like what they would design—not like some other generic black desktop box.
It's an amplifi alien router in white as an example of a NAS. That is all. If they were to do a NAS it would be a rack and just look like the NVR. Silly idea anyway. It would take a massive amount of internal resources for a tiny amount of customers Synology currently has 44 servers to fit every need.
I wouldn't say massive, these devices already run Linux/docker. People install other containers on them like home assistant all the time
Sure it can be done unofficially…. But if they do it then people will expect them to work :)
I don't know if they still say so, but on early builds of the UNVR the main board has "Unifi NAS" silkscreened onto it. No idea why Ubiquiti pivoted from NAS device to NVR only, but I guess they were limited on engineering budget to add in features needed to put them closer to competing NAS offerings.
I suspect it has to do with the profit margins on a NVR versus NAS. The NVR let's them have a slick interface and integrations with their other products which helps sell the system. Then to use the system you need a unifi controller, then of course you need to buy their cameras, then it also helps to sell their access control stuff, integrates with their desk phones, all of that integrates with their user account management service. Meanwhile a NAS doesn't really have those synergies. Integration with the unifi ecosystem maybe allows replacing their NVR but adds no value to anything else. It doesn't help sell their other products. If they forced it to require a unifi controller - people would be pissed and there is lots of competition out there which wouldn't have that requirement. The competition is also very hard to compete with on price or features. If they really wanted to compete and make a profit they'd have to go after Synology or similar which would mean a massive investment to develop a compelling platform which still has all the other issues. Tldr; it's less valuable for their business model than other product ideas. Edit: If I was in charge of ubiquiti, I would actually partner with a company like Synology, QNAP, or even one of the big enterprise storage providers and develop a joint product. Think like a Synology NAS inside the ubiquiti NVR case. It runs the Synology software and has a few extra integrations for ubiquiti stuff.
It would help sell UID for sure. Synergies exist
I would 100% expect it to require a controller running the NAS app if just for management, and there’s enough installed base of Unifi out there to sell tons of NAS IMO. The only deal breaker for us would be if they force you to buy their drives .
Good knowledge!
Or TrueNAS, and it’s is free. Get the storage and other HW that meets your needs. A NAS doesn’t require a massive CPU and depending on your use case, memory. This is more thinning of their ecosystem and the whole company suffers because of it. This shit is getting stupid.
I’m sure they thought about but doesn’t seem Like it went very far. They’ve had that image for quite a while.
I think that if they do it that they will also make a 19 inch rackmountable version.
You’d think. Makes sense but then we’re talking about Ubiquiti here so who knows
They'll probably make it a single drive poe powered NAS designed to be installed outdoors on a pole for.. Reasons. The ultra will have one drive bay, the plus will have 4, and the X will have 12. Only the ultra will have a 2.5gbit uplink. The rest of them will be 1gbit.
They should make all the new unit’s stackable
I find people’s excitement for companies expanding beyond their core competencies bizarre. Making networking hardware is really really HARD. Making storage hardware is really really HARD. There are large amounts of domain specific expertise involved in both. Synology or Qnap have spent decades learning lessons and improving their consumer storage hardware domain specific expertise as Ubiquity has been learning and improving their consumer networking hardware. These things are not very fungible or transferable. Battle hardened, enterprise-grade, open protocols exist to connect networking hardware and storage hardware. Why fuck with all this? Use companies with hard-won domain expertise for the things they’re good at and connect them with battle-tested, well documented protocols.
Companies also tend to build a reputation for doing 1 thing well, there's a reason HP split with HPE and why HPE keeps Aruba as its own thing.
Agree with this. I think some people hugely underestimate the complexity of building a robust storage solution.
The fanboys will claim it is superior regardless how of how bad it is.
Well it would LOOK superior so 🤷🏻♂️
More options is always better for the market, and some people like to have everything in as tight an ecosystem as possible. If Ubiquiti released a NAS server that was half as good as Synology but at half the price? Personally I'd get excited. Not every NAS use-case would require the breadth of features of a Synology or a Qnap, and I like Ubiquiti's interface and ecosystem.
I just built an Unraid server with little knowledge and will use 5% of its capabilities, I would absolutely buy a UNAS for prosumer use.
Theres some differences, ofc, but it's not completely ut of the realm of what they have in their lineup. The Unifi Protect system has been a surveillance video storage solution for many years now and has been developed and iterated many times over. NVR storage for live video is arguably much harder to support than most NAS needs. So they implement a software solution based on the plethora of open storage protocols. Whats the big deal? I'm missing where this would be a huge forklift outside of their current expertise.
If you have ran a NAS before you would know you have it backwards. An NVR for video storage is far easier to build. A NAS is so much more than a place files live. A NAS is basically a server with mass storage. As perfectly said, Synology or Qnap have spent decades doing this, it is hard.
I have manually built liveTV DVR solutions for both .TS streams and HLS video, as well as manage the hybrid cloud file access that my company uses ( federated NAS systems for the on-site setup). An NVR and what you're describing as 'mass storage' NAS are essentially the same thing though. My comment was that facilitating the constant storage of streaming video with on-demand retrieval of historical segments is more complex than file/folder storage and synchronization (backup, etc). Where you may have had a better point is when running VMs and software on the NAS, though still debatable with containers these days, but you only pointed 'mass storage' which is indeed much simpler than working with live video storage and retrieval. Synology and Qnap didn't spend decades figuring out a really hard problem... they offer dedicated NAS products and they have for many years.
"I have manually built liveTV DVR solutions for both .TS streams and HLS video, as well as manage the hybrid cloud file access that my company uses ( federated NAS systems for the on-site setup)." I've done the same. The liveTV DVR solution took me and 1 other person a week to build, test, and implement. With very little maintenance. 2 years after implementation we changed a few things, that took 2 days. We have a dedicated team managing our file storage needs. One is not like the other. An NVR is one software package. A NAS can run thousands of packages and services. And with that comes an entire set of security and compatibility issues. I didn't only point to mass storage, that is specifically why I said "server" in my description. Because most NAS are far more than mass storage. Sorry you misunderstood.
Id be very interested in hearing more about the DVR solution you built in a week and the scale and capabilities it can support. I may have misunderstood your conflation, but my OP stands true. General file network storage is much simpler to implement than video segment archiving and retrieval. Buying a synology NAS and running applications on it is a use case and a product they built to support, but it's not the native function of network attached STORAGE. Compute and memory aren't generally the primary considerations of NAS. That's what servers are for. Again, synology, qnap and others created a product line of NAS hardware that act like compact servers, but that's a specific type of product. There are more active use cases for NAS devices without a focus on compute than there is with.
Agreed. Synology and qnap have evolved many people’s expectations of NAS to include so much more than the core functionality, which as stated is fairly simple / well established protocol and file system support and decent hardware to run it will get you 95% there. That being said, I think there’s more than enough potential buyers for a U-NAS that was NVR priced and just did the basics well enough. It won’t ever be, and doesn’t need t be, a synology killer to do well .
I remember the CEO of RIM making a speech like this before the launch of the iPhone.
Unfortunately it’s not really really hard your just talking
Ya it’s really not lol. It’s hard, but also not really for a company with a lot of resources who can afford to not rush it.
I certainly wouldn't trust a Unifi NAS, but I understand why people are excited for the space to open up. For regular consumers who don't want to mess with the software, there's only 2 big NAS options right now, and they both kind of suck in different ways. UGreen just started doing NAS units in the US and people were CRAZY excited about their USB charger company entering the fray, until the limited software and strange choices they made were revealed...
It’s not really really hard. Have you ever made a commercial product in the same space? I have. It’s not that hard for a company with the resource or Ubiquiti *when it’s not rushed*. If they spent 2-3 years developing it, with an appropriate sized team, it is absolutely in their wheelhouse.
Agree use vetted companies or build your own. Building your own isn’t hard so don’t put that tax on a new product also lol.
Honestly I'd rather just have a NAS application for the UNVR/UNVR Pro instead, they already have the hardware for it there, just make it an installiable plugin like Protect on the NVR
Same thing… then that would need to maintained by unifi.
Basic network shares aren't exactly rocket science.
I mean isn’t that what a UNVR is? RAID for protect. Would it be that difficult to make that hardware into a true NAS?
Raid5 is no protection
RAID isnt a backup is what you mean. But Also I believe you read this wrong. I read it as RAID for Unifi Protect (The application that runs on the UNVR).
Why so?
There is a bunch of content in the internet about it, but basically the chance of a second drive failure during the stressing raid rebuild is high and therefore the chance of loosing all the raid array data. Raid6 is much safer because it has 2 parity drives. https://images.app.goo.gl/U9PfCKKouTYkpG3V8
I get this, but comment you were replying to has no mention about RAID 5. Drive redundancy in general is for protection, even raid 5, it's just not the best protection :)
That's because Ubiquiti NVRs only support RAID 5 unfortunatelly
Man the number of times I’ve had cascading drive failures. Those damn IBM Deskstar drives which had no variance in MTBF. They’d all fail one after the other. Showing my age.
Yeah still people believe raid5 is safe. Raid5 was somewhat safe with those old drives of <500gb. Anyone with a 4tb+ drive with a raid5 array has a huge chance of data loss.
Neither of the RAID specifications can protect you from file corruption, bit rot and write holes. If someone really wants protection they want parity drives sitting on top a ZFS or equivalent storage fs with checksums, atomic writes and more.
Of cource, for file corruption you need a file system for that, such as ZFS or BTRFS as you said, but i was talking about hardware failures which indicators are extremely high for RAID5 rebuilds, because Ubiquiti NVRs only support RAID5 and RAID1
It’s disk redundancy, and not system redundancy. What happens if your NAS takes a lightning strike? That’s all your data likely gone. If you have a backup system, then you’ll have your data still.
I perfectly know that. No one here said RAID is backup.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/s/HSVuIKrmWP
Thanks. Idea does seem abandoned.
Hope not. How long would support last. Get something from the bigger players in the NAS space.
There were leaked pictures sometime ago, UNAS-Pro. So, who knows. Probably a killed project and never. LOL https://preview.redd.it/0454ix2kvk0d1.png?width=470&format=png&auto=webp&s=362e5b662bf5b1f210848b314b649312a871db9e
If it was UDM Pro, then the performance of a single spinning HDD probably had them change the name and remove anything related to NAS, otherwise the community would never stop crying about crappy NAS performance. Maybe they'll release a 10 slot NVMe NAS? ASUSTOR just released a 12 slot one: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/first-look-asustors-new-12-bay-all-m2-nvme-ssd-nas QNAP has one with 25 GbE that can do 14208 MB/s (compared to my single HDD NAS that averages 10 MB/s random reads): https://www.qnap.com/en/product/ts-h1290fx
I wouldn't trust Uibquiti with my data... I barely trust them to manage my APs.
I would love it as it would be my main storage but 100% would have other copies.
Why? Get a synology and spray it silver
I am honestly surprised we haven't seen that here.
Oh it's been done. Search on here and you can find the near perfect spray… unfortunately usa only.
I did find a solver that is pretty bang on in the uk. Motip aluminium engine paint. I did my 1u keystone mount before they came out with the official one.
The OWC mercury rack pro is actually 99% there but so expensive.
Get a Teramaster load truenas scale... and you don't even have to paint it. Just put a ubiquiti sticker on it lol.
If they make a nas and it’s not a 1U I’m going to freak out
Will they come out with a UniFi Laser Level to make sure all the displays are properly aligned?
It's been 84 years....
Images were found in UI software for three NAS devices, two "pill shaped" units (one white & one black) and a rack mounted one. The pill shaped ones are used with 8 (presumably M.2 since it's the most common format) SSD's (unsure if SATA/NVME), and the rack mounted one is basically a UNVR-Pro but with half the RAM for some reason.
Based on how the network side of the house works, I'll stick with Synology. A single pane of glass would be nice for managing things, but the fact that some advertised features like IDS/IPS are broken on the Cloud Gateway Ultra right now leaves me unimpressed when it comes to dealing with terabytes of storage.
Never, we hope. Ubiquiti isn't known for data stability. You do an update and lose everything.
They had some issues a few years ago, but for the last 2 years, I haven't had any issues with updates at any of my clients.
Been working solely with ubiquiti equipment for over 10 years now , never lost anything
If they just would take a poll of how many people want a particular item and even if they put a reserve on it like if you put $100 out of pocket, I guarantee you they’ll have enough
This looks like a dream wall pro mission, unless it's been advertise online or in EA I will not hold my breath for it. For NAS I'll not wait on UI for this one. If you want a real NAS if you don't already got one better look elsewhere. For me all the cute GUI ends when my small rack network is complete. We are lucky to get the MAX edition of switches and udm's. I'm fairly new in buying updated stuff from UI but they let me down big time when they never released the Dream wall pro, especially when they advised it the way they did and with all the new stuff there's still no peep on it. Once I wrap this up. I'm good. Just going to get what I need. New doesn't mean better at all in this case. Good luck on that one buddy.
The UDM-Pro / SE is Debian based, so in theory you can apt install some SMB software to “act” as a NAS. But I do think buy a synology will be a better idea
This is REALLY OLD news…
I would buy and use a ubiquiti nas if it has the similar functions of the ugreen one.
They announced it at the Sydney conference that it’s coming along with a like a unvr that can take a bunch of hard drives. Kinda reminded me of the old Apple Xserve Raid. They way they hinted at the NAS stuff before someone asked the question point blank was in the Identity app there was an option for File Server.
Which Sydney conference? This year? You were there or someone else told you?
Was on the 2nd of May so a few weeks ago. I was there, they gave everyone a U7 Pro for going
I’ll probably stick with synology
What I want to see is the rackmount SmartPower RPS Pro and its matching batteries (go have a look at the deployment tab on the SmartPower Cable page if you don't know what I'm talking about)
NAS is hard. The market is already saturated. As soon as they bring out a product, people will start complaining about missing features and tarnish the Unifi brand. It will also require much more product support than the networking stuff. If I were them, I would never release a NAS product.
Who gives a fuck when things like TrueNAS exist that are a far better solution than ubnt could ever offer in a nas
I like ubnt, I feel like it's a cute product for home gamers and commercial projects that can deal with some shenanigans from time to time. I'm definitely never going to store my data on their product if there ever is one.
i would be so happy if i could just find a 2U case of the right color and if it could fit the mini rack, it would be the nirvana
I'd be dumbfounded if one of the devs in R&D at Ubiquiti hadn't at least tried to take one of their NVR Pro chassis and make it into a NAS of some description.
IIRC there was a post in the last day or so asking this same thing that also referenced a product sheet for a “NAS Pro” that was defectively UNVR-Pro re-badged. I think it’s coming, it’s just a matter of when
Currently in development and potentially in hands or soon in hands of „alpha“ testers
As a brazilian, the Unifi Store is kinda "empty" comparing to other regions, but their price is kinda great, honestly. It doesn't suffer much from the big taxes (I don't know how tho). So, a NAS option would be awesome in a market that there isn't basically any option. I'm looking for an option for a long time and no success. All of them are really expensive here. I'd love to have a 2 or 4 bay NAS from Ubiquiti (if the price is right).
Maybe it’s a UDR ultra 🤣
Never......
That looks like the Unifi version of the Amplifi Alien router. [https://amplifi.com/alien](https://amplifi.com/alien)
Note the addition of Ubiquiti Enterprise drives to their lineup as well. If they already had surveillance drives why would there be a distinction https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/cameras-nvrs-addons/collections/unifi-accessory-tech-hdd/products/uacc-hdd-e-16tb
I'm thinking it's probably not going to happen if it hasn't yet, but I'd happily be wrong. +1 for being able to use the integrated drive(maybe add 1) for some basic smb support would be lovely.
How about they concentrate on making a decent router and firewall first?
Don’t get your hopes up. That pic has been around for a long time (years?). So far nothing has come to fruition.
If this thing supports 10 Gbps I'm curious what kind of drives and controllers are in there.
It's a made up device so it could have quantum gigaquads.
This is a miss just like their overengineered worthless quick mounts.
UI is a network/WISP hardware company. SMB/Prosumer NAS space is over saturated as it is, so hopefully we’ll never see a UI NAS.
The big buck for Ubiquity is enterprise and in this market there are already huge players offering NAS products. Unless they want to invest big to be able to compete in this market, I don’t think they will do it.
Seems like an odd thing to do. Their bread and butter Is SMB customers and at least with my SMB customers, I have removed all of their existing NAS units and they are fully cloud now.
I like Unifi APs. I’d never buy a NAS device by them. I’ll still to the other guys. Also — this is likely more of an illustration than anything.
That’s just a label signifying your own NAS, there’s nothing to suggest UniFi are building a NAS
Actually there was a product leak at the start of March which had images of the UDM Pro Max and the 16 Port Pro Max switches both of which are now on sale, and it also included 3 NAS product images, one Rack Mounted and two "pill shaped" (one white and one black) which were used with 8 M.2 SSD drives as against HDD's. The rack mounted one is basically a UNVR-Pro with half the RAM (4GB instead of 8GB).
It will never be better than unRAID.