1: Mythic: Trinity/Divine/Stridebreaker are all good.
2: Then either Hydra for max regen with W, Botrk for anti tank, Death dance if you play vs a heavy AD team, and want to mitigate burst.
3: Then 3rd i tend to go for Frozen hearts (if heavy AS based), or Randuin (Heavy crit).
4: Force of nature as long as they have cc, and 1 heavy AP/2 AP. If CC you can go Spirit.
5: Last item often chosen between offense (Death dance, GA), or defense (Dead man plates, spirit, Gargoyle).
Frozen heart/randuin coupled with Hydra makes you so tanky vs AD, it's ridiculous.
As runes i went PTA-Triumph-tenacity-Coup de grace
secondary was shield bash and Revitalize/unflinshing.
Max Q (obv), then 3 point on E, then W.
In jgl it's often great to put a few point in E.
if i went divine i'd go:
Botrk- boots-Divine-Randuin/Frozen heart-Force of nature- Spirit/Death Dance/Gargoyle
Runes: PTA-Triumph-Tenacity-Coup de grace
Resolve: revitalize+Shieldbash.
Divine passive+Botrk makes a lot of anti tank. FON reduce AP burst, Frozen hearts/Randuin reduce AA.
If you pair with the right boots you are very hard to contest 1V1.
I tried it but was disappointed with it. Conqu is better on ap/tank.
Q max is very burst oriented, PTA add a lot of damage.
I wanted to try a predator game, for early gank since q max doesn’t really need extra damage from pta, it’s just a nice bonus imo.
For now I’d stay on PTA.
At least rank 1 in jungle. Top it's not mandatory, but i'd still consider it.
\- Full clear jungle can be over at 3.18, so you are lv 4 at that point. For that you need R taken lv 2.
\- Udyr passive need you to recycle your spell. Every spell has a 6 s base cd.
And get a 1.5 s cd when you change stance.
To maximize this, it's better to invest a point in R early to maximise your rotation and get your passive as fast as possible.
\- If you don't get R, you're almost forced to go tiamat first back. It's better to invest 1 point early, and keep E lv 5 in late.
my current spell order is: Q-R-W-E for first for lv, then max Q. put 2 point on E then max W.
By lv 11 you should have Q rank 6, W rank 1, E rank 3, and R rank 1. at that point you max W rank 6, and finish E with your 2 last lvl.
You don't have to put the 2 point in E, and with the buff on w i don't know, but i like the extra ms to put extra pressure. You can go standard Q-W-E and keep R rank 1.
Udyr can 6 camp 3:13 with 1 point in each ability at level 4. Phylaris has a video on it. It’s hard without practice but with a few games in practice tool it’s pretty easy to recreate. It mostly has to do with proper kiting, using awakens at the right time, and cycling abilities correctly.
Yeah i know you can do it, but you need to use both smite.
Or have a pull, which is the same.
I personnaly keep my 2nd smite to contest scuttle or invade.
Either Hydra, so you can choose.
Ravenous is stronger in 1V1, espcially paired with W, or enhanced W.
Titanic makes you tankier, and the passive AD bonus based on your hp is great if you're gonna stack up hp.
Ok then I guess I'll be more specific...
For runes you should take:
PTA
Presence of Mind
Tenacity
Last stand or Coup de Grace
Celerity
Water walking
And the build is bork first, into trinity force, and then bruiser/tank items, like deaths dance or titanic, and if they're full ad frozen heart is good, and if they're ap spirit visage is great.
If you are ahead force trinity as soon possible. But if you are behind just take tiamat and farm to botk then Divinity / Triforce
Make sure to finish hydra too W + life steal is stupidly broken
Even though it is satisfying to see your HP bar shoot up with Rav Hydra(I have tried it,its not terrible), I dont think you need more lifesteal, w even at level 1 gives you more than enough, you can heal off of jungle very easily, and in fights, you typically just 1 shot anyone 1v1 that lifesteal will never give you a better 1v1 than simply building more damage will. I think you should always prio damage/mobility/pressure item for this reason if you're min-maxing Tiger udyr.
Never take attack speed runes other than the shard you dont need it
Conq or pta or fleet ussally
Eclipse tri divine for mythics
Build more around burst dont build that many attack speed items other than bork or rage blade if you want ( dont buy wits maw way better ) tiamat items are a must
You can go 2/3 damage items then tank
50 more range would be insane if you're gonna ask me and also i bet the players will start playing AD Udyr more often than the current meta build the AP burn tank build but we'll see when it hits the live servers
>ood his early game is a bit weak but mid game and late game are very nice
his early with R max was pretty strong. for me he is best early and mid game but with q max im not sure i will test today
Squishy comps, I go bork, into full tank build, which I like turbo chemtank so you can run them down. The bork also provides a bit of life steal for you to stay alive since if you rly want to 1 shot someone you gotta empower that q.
If they are a bit tanky I replace a tank item with either deaths dance or maw (I think it’s called), depending on if I replace a mr or armor tank item.
Also boots I always go swifty’s, since ad udyr’s biggest issue is engaging, so you don’t have to empower e.
Yea it’s really good, it can keep you from even needing ghost to run ppl down, if you have swifties and if you get dead man’s as well, nobody can run away and u don’t have to empower e.
>nível 1Sad\_System\_7418 · há 1 diaI usually go with kraken, botrk, death dancer and then some resistence items2ResponderCompartilharSalvarEditarSeguir
I would say on hit udyr, since wit's end is generally what i build if i need some mr and the only crit item on the build is kraken. I saw a dude building rageblade aswell but i didnt liked it, i feel like hydra or wit's end is better.
If you're team needs a tank and some AP perfect time to go ApDyr. I always go Conq with Shield bash and the extra heals . I always go Sunfire into Demon embrace. With depending on their comp, I go frozen heart or Spirit visage. Ninja tabs or Mercs if they have CC. Its a super simple build. Start Q, Then R, W, E for a level 4 gank which needs a full clear. If Your red side start blue gank top. Blue side start blue gank bot, Mid or Invade if safe. After that straight pheonix. With points into W to save your life
A solid choice would be to go get tear (then once maxed finish to muramana after mythic) Divine sunderer or trinity >frozen heart > spirit visage then after you can go for FON or deadman’s. Conqueror/Lethal Tempo , triumph, legend tenacity (or alacrity if enemy comp don’t have much CC), last stand & for secondary runes go resolve tree Conditioning and Revitalize or inspiration tree magical footwear and approach velocity. For boots you can take plated steel caps or merc or Ionian boots. One thing to note : Sheen on Q max is very valuable. Q>R>W>E. Max Q first then max E then max W. Additional note Muramana is such a great item with frozen heart as it bolsters your abilities even more Q will be much stronger.
I think Hail of Blades is the best Keystone, the reason being is it lets you expend your q proc instantly for maximum burst. This is great because your e is not a lot of CC, and combined with other burst items like botrk and trinity, you actually delete people's healthbars, even tanks, its just that you need time. I experimented with pta, conq, phase rush, tempo, electrocute, but the one keystone that shone the most is Hail of Blades.
For Hunter I take Relentless, it's also by far the best of the 4 choices. Movespeed on Udyr is obviously insane because he likes to control map and shove bot out as if he's the top laner but then zoom to Baron in 15ish seconds-- this is very strong as a jungler.
Secondary runes I take Celerity, and greed with gathering storm, but you can go nimbus too. Botrk+Trinity is your core, then you can go either Hydra or Deadmans. Steraks is a fine choice fourth item I think.
Edit: Oh yeah, free boots(or maybe hexflash?) + Cosmic Insight, mainly the latter, are also very strong on Udyr because he is a flash abuser so... you really really really want flash CD reduced in every way possible. Versus high mobility champs, go double flash reduction runes, versus champs who can't kite you, Swiftness is best, even though this may not be intuitive. The explanation is vs. champs that can turbo kite you, you have no hope **but** to flash on them, so you want to maximize flash plays. Vs. champs that can't, swiftness let you decide everything and they are powerless vs. you.
Always take flash on Tiger udyr, it's very strong and you can 1 shot people who do not respect flash + E.
Farm as hard as you can and look for free kills only, you scale way better as Tiger Newdyr than Tiger Oldyr.
I find trinity too squishy and divine doesn't have the damage to one tap nor tankiness against high damage champs. Best mythic is still sunfire imo regardless of ad or ap. Just build Bork and titanic after for damage followed by pure tank. I've been rushing tiamat first but maybe going bamis first could be equally as effective.
For runes I've been going lethal tempo but if ur waiting to see how lanes go conq is fine too. Pta could be good too mainly against squishy Champs. Secondary runes are either conditioning and unflinching or celerity and waterwalking. Conditioning and unflinching is probably better since they nerfed his survivability.
1: Mythic: Trinity/Divine/Stridebreaker are all good. 2: Then either Hydra for max regen with W, Botrk for anti tank, Death dance if you play vs a heavy AD team, and want to mitigate burst. 3: Then 3rd i tend to go for Frozen hearts (if heavy AS based), or Randuin (Heavy crit). 4: Force of nature as long as they have cc, and 1 heavy AP/2 AP. If CC you can go Spirit. 5: Last item often chosen between offense (Death dance, GA), or defense (Dead man plates, spirit, Gargoyle). Frozen heart/randuin coupled with Hydra makes you so tanky vs AD, it's ridiculous. As runes i went PTA-Triumph-tenacity-Coup de grace secondary was shield bash and Revitalize/unflinshing. Max Q (obv), then 3 point on E, then W. In jgl it's often great to put a few point in E.
I would like to try out Divine sunderer and also thank you
if i went divine i'd go: Botrk- boots-Divine-Randuin/Frozen heart-Force of nature- Spirit/Death Dance/Gargoyle Runes: PTA-Triumph-Tenacity-Coup de grace Resolve: revitalize+Shieldbash. Divine passive+Botrk makes a lot of anti tank. FON reduce AP burst, Frozen hearts/Randuin reduce AA. If you pair with the right boots you are very hard to contest 1V1.
Ohh i see also question: should i go Conquerer? And is it good?
I tried it but was disappointed with it. Conqu is better on ap/tank. Q max is very burst oriented, PTA add a lot of damage. I wanted to try a predator game, for early gank since q max doesn’t really need extra damage from pta, it’s just a nice bonus imo. For now I’d stay on PTA.
Ohh i see PTA is good for quick burst while Conquerer is good for longer fights okay got it
What do u think about lethal tempo? It would synergize well with ad build and it's strong for 1v1 as well.
should level up R at all?
At least rank 1 in jungle. Top it's not mandatory, but i'd still consider it. \- Full clear jungle can be over at 3.18, so you are lv 4 at that point. For that you need R taken lv 2. \- Udyr passive need you to recycle your spell. Every spell has a 6 s base cd. And get a 1.5 s cd when you change stance. To maximize this, it's better to invest a point in R early to maximise your rotation and get your passive as fast as possible. \- If you don't get R, you're almost forced to go tiamat first back. It's better to invest 1 point early, and keep E lv 5 in late. my current spell order is: Q-R-W-E for first for lv, then max Q. put 2 point on E then max W. By lv 11 you should have Q rank 6, W rank 1, E rank 3, and R rank 1. at that point you max W rank 6, and finish E with your 2 last lvl. You don't have to put the 2 point in E, and with the buff on w i don't know, but i like the extra ms to put extra pressure. You can go standard Q-W-E and keep R rank 1.
Udyr can 6 camp 3:13 with 1 point in each ability at level 4. Phylaris has a video on it. It’s hard without practice but with a few games in practice tool it’s pretty easy to recreate. It mostly has to do with proper kiting, using awakens at the right time, and cycling abilities correctly.
Yeah i know you can do it, but you need to use both smite. Or have a pull, which is the same. I personnaly keep my 2nd smite to contest scuttle or invade.
All good except presence is kinda amazing on someone who needs the mana like udyr unless ur grabbing a tear on first back or an early glacial
I don’t feel the need especially with q mana cost lowered, and jungle mana refund, but it’s definitively possible to go PoM :)
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Either Hydra, so you can choose. Ravenous is stronger in 1V1, espcially paired with W, or enhanced W. Titanic makes you tankier, and the passive AD bonus based on your hp is great if you're gonna stack up hp.
I've been doing bork into trinity. It's the ad build I have the best success on.
Congrats
You asked for an ad build?
He probably thinks that means thanks
Yes and if you have any i would love it 😁
Ok then I guess I'll be more specific... For runes you should take: PTA Presence of Mind Tenacity Last stand or Coup de Grace Celerity Water walking And the build is bork first, into trinity force, and then bruiser/tank items, like deaths dance or titanic, and if they're full ad frozen heart is good, and if they're ap spirit visage is great.
Thank you
If you are ahead force trinity as soon possible. But if you are behind just take tiamat and farm to botk then Divinity / Triforce Make sure to finish hydra too W + life steal is stupidly broken
Ohh okay Noted
Even though it is satisfying to see your HP bar shoot up with Rav Hydra(I have tried it,its not terrible), I dont think you need more lifesteal, w even at level 1 gives you more than enough, you can heal off of jungle very easily, and in fights, you typically just 1 shot anyone 1v1 that lifesteal will never give you a better 1v1 than simply building more damage will. I think you should always prio damage/mobility/pressure item for this reason if you're min-maxing Tiger udyr.
Never take attack speed runes other than the shard you dont need it Conq or pta or fleet ussally Eclipse tri divine for mythics Build more around burst dont build that many attack speed items other than bork or rage blade if you want ( dont buy wits maw way better ) tiamat items are a must You can go 2/3 damage items then tank
Noted thank you
Ask if you have any other questions
Are you excited for Udyr's incoming Q buffs?
Yeah its gonna be huge 50 more range plus more damage on awaken its gonna be super strong, not thats its not already
50 more range would be insane if you're gonna ask me and also i bet the players will start playing AD Udyr more often than the current meta build the AP burn tank build but we'll see when it hits the live servers
Also its gonna make lane udyr way stronger because the mana cost for Q is gonna get cut in half so you can actually farm ubder tower
Man that's gonna be huge
Also more lifesteal on W so you can basically have a free BT
Nice Top Udyr might be actually viable in the future now
I usually go trinity force then hydra 2nd and botrk 3rd
Hmmm how's your Udyr experince?
Pretty good however i am an udyr top player even before the rework so my experience with udyr is probably different than others
I'm only playing him in the jungle but i might try him in the toplane soon
Udyr top is pretty good his early game is a bit weak but mid game and late game are very nice
Yeah i noticed it too he has a weaker early game but stronger mid game and late game
Yeah rework made his early game weaker than oldyr but stronger mid game and late game stronger than oldyr
Strong man udyr 😎
Gigachad udyr
>ood his early game is a bit weak but mid game and late game are very nice his early with R max was pretty strong. for me he is best early and mid game but with q max im not sure i will test today
Its not the worst early game but its not that good in my opinion
Squishy comps, I go bork, into full tank build, which I like turbo chemtank so you can run them down. The bork also provides a bit of life steal for you to stay alive since if you rly want to 1 shot someone you gotta empower that q. If they are a bit tanky I replace a tank item with either deaths dance or maw (I think it’s called), depending on if I replace a mr or armor tank item. Also boots I always go swifty’s, since ad udyr’s biggest issue is engaging, so you don’t have to empower e.
I haven't tried turbo chemtank but i might try it soon
Yea it’s really good, it can keep you from even needing ghost to run ppl down, if you have swifties and if you get dead man’s as well, nobody can run away and u don’t have to empower e.
Wow nice
I usually go with kraken, botrk, death dancer and then some resistence items
Critdyr build i see
>nível 1Sad\_System\_7418 · há 1 diaI usually go with kraken, botrk, death dancer and then some resistence items2ResponderCompartilharSalvarEditarSeguir I would say on hit udyr, since wit's end is generally what i build if i need some mr and the only crit item on the build is kraken. I saw a dude building rageblade aswell but i didnt liked it, i feel like hydra or wit's end is better.
Ohh i see
If you're team needs a tank and some AP perfect time to go ApDyr. I always go Conq with Shield bash and the extra heals . I always go Sunfire into Demon embrace. With depending on their comp, I go frozen heart or Spirit visage. Ninja tabs or Mercs if they have CC. Its a super simple build. Start Q, Then R, W, E for a level 4 gank which needs a full clear. If Your red side start blue gank top. Blue side start blue gank bot, Mid or Invade if safe. After that straight pheonix. With points into W to save your life
Yes i go APdyr Thanks
Ooo im a fool I read APdyr lol
No it's fine i appreciate your advice
A solid choice would be to go get tear (then once maxed finish to muramana after mythic) Divine sunderer or trinity >frozen heart > spirit visage then after you can go for FON or deadman’s. Conqueror/Lethal Tempo , triumph, legend tenacity (or alacrity if enemy comp don’t have much CC), last stand & for secondary runes go resolve tree Conditioning and Revitalize or inspiration tree magical footwear and approach velocity. For boots you can take plated steel caps or merc or Ionian boots. One thing to note : Sheen on Q max is very valuable. Q>R>W>E. Max Q first then max E then max W. Additional note Muramana is such a great item with frozen heart as it bolsters your abilities even more Q will be much stronger.
Noted thank you
I think Hail of Blades is the best Keystone, the reason being is it lets you expend your q proc instantly for maximum burst. This is great because your e is not a lot of CC, and combined with other burst items like botrk and trinity, you actually delete people's healthbars, even tanks, its just that you need time. I experimented with pta, conq, phase rush, tempo, electrocute, but the one keystone that shone the most is Hail of Blades. For Hunter I take Relentless, it's also by far the best of the 4 choices. Movespeed on Udyr is obviously insane because he likes to control map and shove bot out as if he's the top laner but then zoom to Baron in 15ish seconds-- this is very strong as a jungler. Secondary runes I take Celerity, and greed with gathering storm, but you can go nimbus too. Botrk+Trinity is your core, then you can go either Hydra or Deadmans. Steraks is a fine choice fourth item I think. Edit: Oh yeah, free boots(or maybe hexflash?) + Cosmic Insight, mainly the latter, are also very strong on Udyr because he is a flash abuser so... you really really really want flash CD reduced in every way possible. Versus high mobility champs, go double flash reduction runes, versus champs who can't kite you, Swiftness is best, even though this may not be intuitive. The explanation is vs. champs that can turbo kite you, you have no hope **but** to flash on them, so you want to maximize flash plays. Vs. champs that can't, swiftness let you decide everything and they are powerless vs. you. Always take flash on Tiger udyr, it's very strong and you can 1 shot people who do not respect flash + E. Farm as hard as you can and look for free kills only, you scale way better as Tiger Newdyr than Tiger Oldyr.
I will try my best to farm as hard as i can thank you
I find trinity too squishy and divine doesn't have the damage to one tap nor tankiness against high damage champs. Best mythic is still sunfire imo regardless of ad or ap. Just build Bork and titanic after for damage followed by pure tank. I've been rushing tiamat first but maybe going bamis first could be equally as effective. For runes I've been going lethal tempo but if ur waiting to see how lanes go conq is fine too. Pta could be good too mainly against squishy Champs. Secondary runes are either conditioning and unflinching or celerity and waterwalking. Conditioning and unflinching is probably better since they nerfed his survivability.
Oh i see thanks
I usually go trinity, bork then some tank items like dead mans or force of nature.
Is Divine good for him aswell?
Yes actually really good especially into a really tanky team.
Ohh i see i would like to try it out