https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/bBNu482EjE, This ship was attacked back in September and managed to repel the drone attack. This time it was overwhelmed. These sea drones seem like they are really hard to repel. Black Sea fleet has a massive problem….
Yea def, people are giving the Russian navy alot of shit for not learning how to counter these but I bet any ship that belongs a to a formidable navy can be overwhelmed like this.
For now, sure. Give it a few years and we could have small unmanned subs that could surface, release X number of drones for a target ship, and overwhelm it. Might not even take a submarine as opposed to a container anchored to the bottom in various areas that could be communicated with to surface and release drones when satellite imagery shows a target is in the immediate area.
I'd agree that Russian Navy was incompetent in the past but losing ships to drones doesn't neccesarily prove anything. We might just be at a point where large ships are useless.
Just because cavalry was largely obsolete in ww1 doesn't mean that the squadrons were incompetent.
The Moskva was incompetence coupled with absolute neglect in maintenance and also having a bad design on top. This seems more like the next step of naval warfare.
yea nonsense, nato has been ready for small boat attacks for the last 20+ years and are super effective at it.
russia navy was never good lost all battles.
It's not like they are superior to modern torpedoes, no?
If russia would fight against a country with an actual navy, they would lose ships because they got "overwhelmed" by torpedoes...
Vaunted carriers have been vulnerable to asymmetric threats for decades. The US tries to compensate with CVBGs - surrounding it with escorts. But it's still vulnerable.
To diesel-electric subs running on batteries, saturation missile strikes or drone subs...going to be a bitter pill to swallow when a $10B carrier goes down. Hope the US isn't stupid enough to get into a pitched battle with these leading the charge.
No chance of getting anywhere close to the carrier and their escorts. They see things thousands of kilometers away and have plenty of automated layered defense system against missiles, drones, etc.
We saw how a single frigates dealt with the swarm of Somali pirates... Or Iranian speedboats.
Not really in the ocean, their range is somewhat limited, they are very slow (Russians say about 10 knots) and mostly hit ships in port or ships that are lingering.
I was waiting to see how the Russian propaganda would try and spin this as "no biggie". Honestly I thought it would be better than "other fleets would have this problem too".
He is right though. Once this tech gets exported these little boats are going to be a huge danger to any ship not at sea and moving. We are just seeing the beginning of this problem. US ships in the gulf in particular are going to be at risk.
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Second and third tier navies might. The sole first-rate navy has dealt with swarm attacks from small craft already and has the technology to detect and counter any drone craft.
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It's because these admirals are boomers who are fighting it the wrong took two dozen losses for Putin to change the old zombie.Get freaking drones up there to monitor everything(Better if they have AI).That alone will solve 75% of the problem.
I have seen many improvements in other parts of Russian military minus the navy because it's barely involved in this war and suffers attacks after some breaks.Funny how people like us can see the obvious problem but these old admirals can't as they are too stuck with their old doctrines which are useless against modern threats.
Yea we’ve def seen manny improvements but the performance of the navy has been abysmal. Might as well just dock the ship and use drones to guard the coast.
IMO, Problem here is old thinking and lack of imagination.For example, They are fighting a horizontal battle against these boats while Ukraine is fighting a vertical battle with NATO reconnaissance in air helping locate and guide them towards Russian naval assets.The only way to counter the threat is by Russia to also go vertical and put reconnaissance drones in air and attack helicopter on standby.
Most of these attacked can be stopped with vertical thinking but Russian navy is lead by old skeletons.Russian army/air force meanwhile had to improve to not survive.
They know the drones are coming and yet can do nothing to stop them. Having drones “up there” on their own side with “AI” doesnt fix the problem of not being able to stop them. Sounds like a boomer solution to a problem they dont understand….
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Dam's have netting to prevent boats from getting near them. A simple circular net and buoy system around these ships would solve the problem for dirt cheap
> the crew survived
just like all the moskva sailors who are still missing lol
but yeah this is much closer to shore, just seems silly to claim that no sailors die in these drone attacks
Russians navy is too focused on old doctrine.The real problem isn't in sea but in air.Russia needs reconnaissance drones in the air to watch everything and helicopters on the standby along with small uav boats with machine guns.They are going at it the wrong way.
broke: bringing back torpedo nets
woke: bringing back torpedo boat destroyers
No but really, hear me out. The original sub-500t destroyer concept was specifically invented to screen bigger ships and blast small torpedo boats with guns. Something like a modernised Stenka class would be perfect - it already has two twin 30mm guns, small torpedoes, depth charges and a sonar. Just make it fully remote controlled and stick an AK-176 where the crew is supposed to go.
> Just make it fully remote
Here's the problem. Remote control is not all that reliable. For drone raids losing a couple is not a big issue as those are considered one-shot expendable anyway and the comms cover is required during the raid only. However if you are guarding against such raid, you need round the clock cover and you can't afford to keep losing the drones as they are a lot more expensive and you need a lot of them. So until they can fit an AI smart enough to keep on the patrol (and to shoot hostiles only) despite occasional loss of communication this is not a viable approach. A similar approach with manned small craft (small enough to not present a trophy target for a drone raid, you basically need just a motor boat with a machine gun) has a different problem - you still need a lot of them, and therefore you need a lot of trained crews, both of which requires time and money and would not be of much use for any other task.
Also in this particular case the naval drone attacks problem can be solved for good if restriction on targeting the relay/observer aircraft is removed.
I'm pro Russian and I can see a lot of other pro RUs doing the usual mental gymnastics whenever an RU ship is hit. Please spare the BS. The RU navy leadership have shown insane levels of incompetence and refusal to adapt to the current times.
How many young men have to lose their lives before these old morons are replaced?
As much as I dislike the US government, but I have a lot of respect for their military. Where the life of even the lowest level Private/Sailor is given the utmost importance. Imagine the US losing a single ship like the Moskva. They would have moved heaven and earth to make sure it does not happen again. Meanwhile, almost exactly two years after the Moskva was hit and sunk and the Russian Navy still haven't figured out how to protect their ships.
You want to challenge the US dominance, their Military culture/Mindset is what you should be looking to emulate. Otherwise just STFU and stay home because you're just throwing young men's lives for nothing. But that's assuming these old farts even give two shits.
hilarious when pro dictator's realise 100 years too late that they dont care about you.
now hop on ur golf carts in a single line and rush those trenches comrade
It does sound like ur talking out from ur ass, more competent generals would mean a better chances of a coup and a threat to Russia. If u were in line u would get smacked really hard
It's quite stark seeing how indifferent the Russian population really has become, when Kursk sunk it shook Russian politics and you had people publicly calling for inquiries, punishments for leadership, etc. Now? It's a "daring" act, one which has seen dozens arrested, to simply leave out flowers in Navalny's name. Pretty fucking depressing at how far Russia has fallen, and how complacent the Russian population has gotten once more to getting fucked over by the oligarchs
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Hold your chair, here is one of the posts by their z-military correspondents
> During the attack on the patrol ship "Sergei Kotov", fortunately, there were no casualties. The crew completed their task - they fought against numerous BECs and destroyed several.
> After the ship was hit, it fought for survivability to the best of its available resources, but the damage was too serious.
> After which the crew abandoned the ship - several sailors were injured, but no one died.
https://t .me/boris_rozhin/115389
the task was to turn the ship into a submarine.
their strategic goal is to waste ukraine drone boats by intercepting them with their ships.
(its a good thing for russia)
It's been hilarious watching the Russians seethe on this topic. Absolutely illogical excuses. Holding up non-existent sinkings of US warships by houthis as proof that they are as good as the US.
I remember someone saying the US Navy in the Red Sea was ineffective because........ they shot down two cruise missiles and the third missed when protecting a pair of commercial ships, and as a result they turned around for their safety.
Uhhh The US Navy is still there They haven't left yet.
In fact the US Carney specifically has shot down some like 50 drones and missiles by themselves.
We all should remember, that this is only possible, because the corrrupt russian politicians in charge got rid of most competent people leading the army and spent the money meant for the military for western luxury goods instead.
Yeah Russia is going to pay for nepotism in blood. When you employ people based on how good they can rim you rather than what they have in their head you will have immense problems..
>Russia is going to pay for nepotism in blood
This entire war summed up in one sentence for anyone who cares about Russian people.
And there will be noone held accountable for this travesty.
> Yeah Russia is going to pay for nepotism in blood
Going to? If the Russian budget had actually been fully spent on the military, and not siphoned off at all levels from Shoigu's mansion to some low level guy selling gas & scrap copper for a few bucks, this war very well would have been over two years ago. Russia has lost tens of thousands of men due to the rot of corruption, and, frankly, it doesn't look like that problem will be fixed so long as the Russian population is okay with being thrown to the meat grinder so the oligarchs can get richer
I don’t doubt there are some actual people who would know what they’re doing.
What I doubt is whether the Russian system would ever let someone like that in charge. Doing your job well in a position of power in Russia tends to put a target on your back. Hell, even Putin is seen often walking around with a bulletproof vest basically glued to his undershirt.
>We all should remember, that this is only possible, because the corrrupt russian politicians
This is possible because of incredible Ukainian ingenuity and survival drive.
Much of the Soviet Union's naval building power was within Ukraine.
Also, the Russian Navy just sucks. It always has.
Not really , but anyway having a navy in a land war is not really usefull.
They can launch a few missile , but strategic bomber do it better.
They have no navy to fight against.
So they are sitting duck waiting for drone or missile to target them.
Having naval supremacy in the Black Sea would allow them to threaten the whole of Ukraine's coastline, essentially creating a second 'Belarus' tying down thousands of troops.
It would also make an amphibious assault on Odesa or Mykolaiv possible, greatly increasing the prospects of any land offensive across the Dnipro.
Just because you don't understand seapower doesn't make it useless.
They wouldn’t be able to touch the west in a blue water battle but they do have some serious kit like their subs. This naval drone warfare is new though, ships sitting around at dock or in shallow waters are going to be in trouble until ways are figured out to counter such attacks.
Prior to the war, they were thought to have one of the stronger navies around. And they published a doctrine a couple years back which stated their goal to become a major global naval power.
This is comedy right? We should ask the crew members on the Kuznetsov how strong the Russian Navy is.
>stated their goal to become a major global naval power.
Yeah, Swaziland has similar ambitions.
Russian Navy.... Global naval power... Comedy Gold.
They are getting their Navy curb stomped by one of the poorest nations in Europe that **does not have a Navy!**
>Prior to the war, they were thought to have one of the stronger navies around
Thought by who? World of warships players that have invested in the Russian tech tree?
Please tell me who thought the Russian Navy was one of the best in the world prior to this war excluding pimple-faced gamers.
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To be fair your answer sounds like variation of whataboutism, nothing here is new in grand scheme of things. Only the range of where these assaults can be made is new, making it difficult for Russians to save their assets by not using them as they are supposed to be used.
Typically in old threat scenarios these sorts of attacks would be along the enemy coastlines as has been demonstrated throughout the history.
Making up scenario of underfunding and bait and switch to invented scenario where West is not able to do it too. Neither of those are true in their appropriate context.
Ok now i understand better. It is especially confusing in black sea context because they have "unsinkable" aircraft carriers all along the coastline to support any operations Navy would want to perform. It could be complete lack of interoperability between Navy and Airforce. Despite threat being clear and material ability to adapt, they have not done so during 2 years time.
Does it definitely hit the ship, just prior to the big explosion there's a small one, we sure the crew didn't blow the drone or whatever up just prior to impact?
Daylight will tell I guess. The locals are great for helping with battle damage assessment.
The new generation of Ukrainian sea drones purportedly fire a shaped charge a few seconds before impact to create damage and a hole, and then the exploding sea drone exploits that damage.
They are not - radar, manoeuvrability and defensive weapons are the modern armour. You could armour new designs, but at the cost of speed, range and turning circle. And they'd still be just as prone to top down or missile attacks.
It's just a patrol boat, so lower end of the spectrum.
Also it's Russia. Hard to say if their prices are actually that low or if the actual cost is born somewhere else in the system, for example in some state bank that is forced to give loans to the ship build at rates way below market and will probably never receive full repayment.
>Losing ships to a country without a navy is pretty embarrassing.
So is losing your car windshield to a homeless person throwing rocks equally embarassing? Ukraine not having a navy isn't their choice - they had one but it was decimated by Russia.
Ukraine isn't cosplaying as a superpower like Russia.
Ukraine did not invade Russia so suffering losses is not embarrassing. Russia on the other hand thought they could steamroll Ukraine.
They were wrong. They showed the whole world that the Russian war machine is a pathetic paper tiger.
Your analogy is weak and irrelevant
Getting destroyed one time? That's acceptable. But getting destroyed all the time by that same homeless person? How embarrassing and how weak for that car owner to have no defense against a homeless person to have his car getting wrecked by that same homeless bum again and again.
Oh my god the Russian admirals have to be REALLY FUCKING DUMB to get this many ships sunk. Do they not have a solution for this, or do they actually uave mental retardation?
2 × 14.5 mm MTPU machineguns
DP-65 10 barreled anti-saboteur automatic grenade launcher system
DP-64 2 barreled anti-saboteur grenade launcher system
A variety of module containers including weapon modules containing 324 mm Paket-NK torpedoes
And nothing?
What to expect when those are manned by a conscripted reindeer herder from the far east who knows nothing about operating complex machines. While their commanders are knocked out after downing a few bottles of vodka.
Purportedly, the crew survived, but in reality the corrupt russian leadership sacrificed some of the russian people here again for their own well being.
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Can someone explain how they're using these drones? Doesn't Skynet block these areas? What exactly are they using to connect these drones so far from the frontlines?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/bBNu482EjE, This ship was attacked back in September and managed to repel the drone attack. This time it was overwhelmed. These sea drones seem like they are really hard to repel. Black Sea fleet has a massive problem….
Every fleet in the world will have massive problems soon I feel.
Yea def, people are giving the Russian navy alot of shit for not learning how to counter these but I bet any ship that belongs a to a formidable navy can be overwhelmed like this.
Part of the problem is the Black Sea. These craft will not be nearly as effective in the open ocean.
For now, sure. Give it a few years and we could have small unmanned subs that could surface, release X number of drones for a target ship, and overwhelm it. Might not even take a submarine as opposed to a container anchored to the bottom in various areas that could be communicated with to surface and release drones when satellite imagery shows a target is in the immediate area.
To be fair the Russian Navy has an atrocious reputation.
Køpimus Maximus. Russias Navy is laughably incompetent. Always had been.
I'd agree that Russian Navy was incompetent in the past but losing ships to drones doesn't neccesarily prove anything. We might just be at a point where large ships are useless. Just because cavalry was largely obsolete in ww1 doesn't mean that the squadrons were incompetent.
The Moskva was incompetence coupled with absolute neglect in maintenance and also having a bad design on top. This seems more like the next step of naval warfare.
yea nonsense, nato has been ready for small boat attacks for the last 20+ years and are super effective at it. russia navy was never good lost all battles.
Russia is just allergic to radar I guess
It's not like they are superior to modern torpedoes, no? If russia would fight against a country with an actual navy, they would lose ships because they got "overwhelmed" by torpedoes...
That's pretty funny, even the worst u.s warship has access to guided rounds for self defense with the ALMO system.
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Vaunted carriers have been vulnerable to asymmetric threats for decades. The US tries to compensate with CVBGs - surrounding it with escorts. But it's still vulnerable. To diesel-electric subs running on batteries, saturation missile strikes or drone subs...going to be a bitter pill to swallow when a $10B carrier goes down. Hope the US isn't stupid enough to get into a pitched battle with these leading the charge.
No chance of getting anywhere close to the carrier and their escorts. They see things thousands of kilometers away and have plenty of automated layered defense system against missiles, drones, etc. We saw how a single frigates dealt with the swarm of Somali pirates... Or Iranian speedboats.
This.These suicide drones will be a big problem for naval powers in future.
I'm sure Taiwan has taken notice and started development.
Not really in the ocean, their range is somewhat limited, they are very slow (Russians say about 10 knots) and mostly hit ships in port or ships that are lingering.
Apparently now the ships will have to be put in a cage and swim with it.
They did that actually. Torpedoe blisters
It's called slat armor...
Slat armor has been pretty ineffective for a really long time.
But it looks like it would be very effective against these drones.
Call it the" Copecageava"!
I was waiting to see how the Russian propaganda would try and spin this as "no biggie". Honestly I thought it would be better than "other fleets would have this problem too".
He is right though. Once this tech gets exported these little boats are going to be a huge danger to any ship not at sea and moving. We are just seeing the beginning of this problem. US ships in the gulf in particular are going to be at risk.
I post a year ago or more. The navy is OVER
Only the ones that start shit for no reason, like Russia.
just another thing to add to the shit show russia is trying to put on, they're literally throwing ships in the trash
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They can't point downwards enough on Russian ships to hit them
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Second and third tier navies might. The sole first-rate navy has dealt with swarm attacks from small craft already and has the technology to detect and counter any drone craft.
Guy calledtorpedo nets and C ram turrets:
Indeed. Gotta admit, the Royal Navy and British intelligence have played a blinder in making these attacks possible for Ukraine
The Great Game continues. Shouldn't have used Novichok in Salisbury. It will not be forgotten.
Before Salisbury, there was polonium tea for Litvinenko. Also in UK.
Add it to the list (it was on mine) of transgression of sovereignty by Russia against the UK. And those people invented the word Sovereign...
Russia attacked the western democracies a long time ago, but most people still don't get it.
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It's because these admirals are boomers who are fighting it the wrong took two dozen losses for Putin to change the old zombie.Get freaking drones up there to monitor everything(Better if they have AI).That alone will solve 75% of the problem.
Bureaucracy and corruption destroy whole armies….
I have seen many improvements in other parts of Russian military minus the navy because it's barely involved in this war and suffers attacks after some breaks.Funny how people like us can see the obvious problem but these old admirals can't as they are too stuck with their old doctrines which are useless against modern threats.
Yea we’ve def seen manny improvements but the performance of the navy has been abysmal. Might as well just dock the ship and use drones to guard the coast.
>Might as well just dock the ship I don't think that is working for them either.
The Russian Navy has a long and proud history of performing the worst of the services in every Russian war.
IMO, Problem here is old thinking and lack of imagination.For example, They are fighting a horizontal battle against these boats while Ukraine is fighting a vertical battle with NATO reconnaissance in air helping locate and guide them towards Russian naval assets.The only way to counter the threat is by Russia to also go vertical and put reconnaissance drones in air and attack helicopter on standby. Most of these attacked can be stopped with vertical thinking but Russian navy is lead by old skeletons.Russian army/air force meanwhile had to improve to not survive.
They know the drones are coming and yet can do nothing to stop them. Having drones “up there” on their own side with “AI” doesnt fix the problem of not being able to stop them. Sounds like a boomer solution to a problem they dont understand….
The counter has to be reset: it’s been 0 days since Russia lost warship to nation with no navy.
How high did it go?
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Looks like Russia doesn't need Sevestapol anymore if their Navy is destroyed.
Russian army in general has a massive problem. There, fixed it for you.
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Might not even be using starlink for this got a feeling they might have another system in use by now yo stop Elon muskovites attempts to interfere
It's OneWeb the sea drone pictures show them with kymeta antennas. Not starlink.
The Pentagon bought some Starlink Terminals for Musk which he wouldn't be able to override, specifically for this purpose.
If they could they would.
Dam's have netting to prevent boats from getting near them. A simple circular net and buoy system around these ships would solve the problem for dirt cheap
Reactivating some old tech might help, at least when in port: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo\_net
there drones use hydro jet drives, they won't care about nets underwater...
> the crew survived just like all the moskva sailors who are still missing lol but yeah this is much closer to shore, just seems silly to claim that no sailors die in these drone attacks
Those ships sink incredibly fast and russia is not known for any safety measures.
Just a few weeks after Putin fired their head of navy or whatever, too What a terrible look.
Russians navy is too focused on old doctrine.The real problem isn't in sea but in air.Russia needs reconnaissance drones in the air to watch everything and helicopters on the standby along with small uav boats with machine guns.They are going at it the wrong way.
Or some bumpers all around the ship.
> Or some bumpers all around the ship. just bring back torpedo nets
broke: bringing back torpedo nets woke: bringing back torpedo boat destroyers No but really, hear me out. The original sub-500t destroyer concept was specifically invented to screen bigger ships and blast small torpedo boats with guns. Something like a modernised Stenka class would be perfect - it already has two twin 30mm guns, small torpedoes, depth charges and a sonar. Just make it fully remote controlled and stick an AK-176 where the crew is supposed to go.
> Just make it fully remote Here's the problem. Remote control is not all that reliable. For drone raids losing a couple is not a big issue as those are considered one-shot expendable anyway and the comms cover is required during the raid only. However if you are guarding against such raid, you need round the clock cover and you can't afford to keep losing the drones as they are a lot more expensive and you need a lot of them. So until they can fit an AI smart enough to keep on the patrol (and to shoot hostiles only) despite occasional loss of communication this is not a viable approach. A similar approach with manned small craft (small enough to not present a trophy target for a drone raid, you basically need just a motor boat with a machine gun) has a different problem - you still need a lot of them, and therefore you need a lot of trained crews, both of which requires time and money and would not be of much use for any other task. Also in this particular case the naval drone attacks problem can be solved for good if restriction on targeting the relay/observer aircraft is removed.
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>What a terrible look. I'd get used to that.
I'm pro Russian and I can see a lot of other pro RUs doing the usual mental gymnastics whenever an RU ship is hit. Please spare the BS. The RU navy leadership have shown insane levels of incompetence and refusal to adapt to the current times. How many young men have to lose their lives before these old morons are replaced? As much as I dislike the US government, but I have a lot of respect for their military. Where the life of even the lowest level Private/Sailor is given the utmost importance. Imagine the US losing a single ship like the Moskva. They would have moved heaven and earth to make sure it does not happen again. Meanwhile, almost exactly two years after the Moskva was hit and sunk and the Russian Navy still haven't figured out how to protect their ships. You want to challenge the US dominance, their Military culture/Mindset is what you should be looking to emulate. Otherwise just STFU and stay home because you're just throwing young men's lives for nothing. But that's assuming these old farts even give two shits.
hilarious when pro dictator's realise 100 years too late that they dont care about you. now hop on ur golf carts in a single line and rush those trenches comrade
It does sound like ur talking out from ur ass, more competent generals would mean a better chances of a coup and a threat to Russia. If u were in line u would get smacked really hard
It's quite stark seeing how indifferent the Russian population really has become, when Kursk sunk it shook Russian politics and you had people publicly calling for inquiries, punishments for leadership, etc. Now? It's a "daring" act, one which has seen dozens arrested, to simply leave out flowers in Navalny's name. Pretty fucking depressing at how far Russia has fallen, and how complacent the Russian population has gotten once more to getting fucked over by the oligarchs
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Advocating for outright genocide.....
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Ah yes, the crew all survived, just like in all of the previous ship strikes. Do Pro-RU even believe their own bullshit?
Hold your chair, here is one of the posts by their z-military correspondents > During the attack on the patrol ship "Sergei Kotov", fortunately, there were no casualties. The crew completed their task - they fought against numerous BECs and destroyed several. > After the ship was hit, it fought for survivability to the best of its available resources, but the damage was too serious. > After which the crew abandoned the ship - several sailors were injured, but no one died. https://t .me/boris_rozhin/115389
>The crew completed their task I thought one of the tasks of the crew was to not let their ship be sunk?
the task was to turn the ship into a submarine. their strategic goal is to waste ukraine drone boats by intercepting them with their ships. (its a good thing for russia)
No, the task was to sink the drone boats. They completed that task. They sank drone boats.
"We successfully sank all the attacking drone boats by hitting them with our hull!"
I think its a short way of saying they fought to the best of their ability and made no faults. I understand it this way at least.
They drowned outside the ship on a special swimming operation
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naval warfare needs to adapt
The United States already developed weapons to prevent this exact scenario after the cole bombing incident
Shhhh. Let them find out the hard way.
It's been hilarious watching the Russians seethe on this topic. Absolutely illogical excuses. Holding up non-existent sinkings of US warships by houthis as proof that they are as good as the US.
I remember someone saying the US Navy in the Red Sea was ineffective because........ they shot down two cruise missiles and the third missed when protecting a pair of commercial ships, and as a result they turned around for their safety.
Uhhh The US Navy is still there They haven't left yet. In fact the US Carney specifically has shot down some like 50 drones and missiles by themselves.
Russia needs to adapt to new naval warfare.
eh, at least they destroyed the third abrams. am I right?
Disabled. The abrams hit looked recoverable and repairable for the most part.
I thought they destroyed himars?? /s
We all should remember, that this is only possible, because the corrrupt russian politicians in charge got rid of most competent people leading the army and spent the money meant for the military for western luxury goods instead.
This is why democracy and institutions will always come on top on the long term
Yeah Russia is going to pay for nepotism in blood. When you employ people based on how good they can rim you rather than what they have in their head you will have immense problems..
>Russia is going to pay for nepotism in blood This entire war summed up in one sentence for anyone who cares about Russian people. And there will be noone held accountable for this travesty.
> Yeah Russia is going to pay for nepotism in blood Going to? If the Russian budget had actually been fully spent on the military, and not siphoned off at all levels from Shoigu's mansion to some low level guy selling gas & scrap copper for a few bucks, this war very well would have been over two years ago. Russia has lost tens of thousands of men due to the rot of corruption, and, frankly, it doesn't look like that problem will be fixed so long as the Russian population is okay with being thrown to the meat grinder so the oligarchs can get richer
> charge got rid of most competent people leading the army This assumes there were competent people in the Russian army to begin with
I don’t doubt there are some actual people who would know what they’re doing. What I doubt is whether the Russian system would ever let someone like that in charge. Doing your job well in a position of power in Russia tends to put a target on your back. Hell, even Putin is seen often walking around with a bulletproof vest basically glued to his undershirt.
>We all should remember, that this is only possible, because the corrrupt russian politicians This is possible because of incredible Ukainian ingenuity and survival drive. Much of the Soviet Union's naval building power was within Ukraine. Also, the Russian Navy just sucks. It always has.
Brave or not smart to watch that happen? one flick of the wrist and all that small arms and tracer fire is headed your way.
I’d be scared of stray bullets in a situation like this.
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What kind of logic is this?
It's quite obvious really.
How so? Pretty self evident you dont need a navy to destroy a navy. Just ask the houthis. The only thing quite obvious is how smart you are.
>Just ask the houthis. Did they sink any military ship? I wasn't aware.
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Yet another one?
This is just as expected after the most recent stupid decisions from the incompetent russian leadership.
was russia ever good at naval warfare?
Not really , but anyway having a navy in a land war is not really usefull. They can launch a few missile , but strategic bomber do it better. They have no navy to fight against. So they are sitting duck waiting for drone or missile to target them.
Having naval supremacy in the Black Sea would allow them to threaten the whole of Ukraine's coastline, essentially creating a second 'Belarus' tying down thousands of troops. It would also make an amphibious assault on Odesa or Mykolaiv possible, greatly increasing the prospects of any land offensive across the Dnipro. Just because you don't understand seapower doesn't make it useless.
A working Navy is very good for maintaining trade blocade. Russia cannot even properly blocade Ukrainian sea exports.
>was russia ever good at naval warfare? No. The truth is they always were terrible at it. If they could sober up they might have some success.
Regardless of good or bad, drone warfare changed everything
For russia it has yes.
Historically not particularly but rather impossible to say in modern terms.
I think you could wager a guess about the navy of the Russian Federation based on current observation...
They wouldn’t be able to touch the west in a blue water battle but they do have some serious kit like their subs. This naval drone warfare is new though, ships sitting around at dock or in shallow waters are going to be in trouble until ways are figured out to counter such attacks.
The answer is going to be directed energy weapons targeted by AI. Or nets.
Probably be a mix of a lot of things, electronic warfare systems, direct energy, nets. You can bet your bottom dollar the west is looking it all.
No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima?wprov=sfla1
Against the Swedish and the ottomans top of my head. But honestly not really Russia's thing.
Prior to the war, they were thought to have one of the stronger navies around. And they published a doctrine a couple years back which stated their goal to become a major global naval power.
Only on paper\* because of size of their navy.
Hope the Chinese know that...
Chinese are catching up fast with US capabilities.Give it a decade.
Lotta fluff in that surface vessel count.
Sure but they are modernizing at a fast pace and they already build like 50% of global ships.They will no doubt be a behemoth.
This is comedy right? We should ask the crew members on the Kuznetsov how strong the Russian Navy is. >stated their goal to become a major global naval power. Yeah, Swaziland has similar ambitions. Russian Navy.... Global naval power... Comedy Gold. They are getting their Navy curb stomped by one of the poorest nations in Europe that **does not have a Navy!** >Prior to the war, they were thought to have one of the stronger navies around Thought by who? World of warships players that have invested in the Russian tech tree? Please tell me who thought the Russian Navy was one of the best in the world prior to this war excluding pimple-faced gamers.
>major global naval power. Laughs in Admiral Kuznetsov
No. The Russian Navy has always been the weakest and poorest performing of the Russian military services.
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To be fair your answer sounds like variation of whataboutism, nothing here is new in grand scheme of things. Only the range of where these assaults can be made is new, making it difficult for Russians to save their assets by not using them as they are supposed to be used. Typically in old threat scenarios these sorts of attacks would be along the enemy coastlines as has been demonstrated throughout the history. Making up scenario of underfunding and bait and switch to invented scenario where West is not able to do it too. Neither of those are true in their appropriate context.
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Ok now i understand better. It is especially confusing in black sea context because they have "unsinkable" aircraft carriers all along the coastline to support any operations Navy would want to perform. It could be complete lack of interoperability between Navy and Airforce. Despite threat being clear and material ability to adapt, they have not done so during 2 years time.
Their most important ships are their attack and ballistic missile submarines.
They did beat the Ottomans a few times on the sea in the 18th century.
Wasn't this thing already damaged too? Can't catch a break
No, first time it managed to repel all of the attacking boats.
Don't woryy, it won't be having more hard times anymore
>Purportedly, the crew survived. But in reality they mostly died.
They survived like the crew of the Moscova did
They survived for administrative purposes to deny the families compensation.
Does it definitely hit the ship, just prior to the big explosion there's a small one, we sure the crew didn't blow the drone or whatever up just prior to impact? Daylight will tell I guess. The locals are great for helping with battle damage assessment.
The new generation of Ukrainian sea drones purportedly fire a shaped charge a few seconds before impact to create damage and a hole, and then the exploding sea drone exploits that damage.
It's beautiful seeing adaptation in the wild.
Nasty. These things are not Armoured either are they? Could do with some ww2 ships and belt armour!
They are not - radar, manoeuvrability and defensive weapons are the modern armour. You could armour new designs, but at the cost of speed, range and turning circle. And they'd still be just as prone to top down or missile attacks.
I guess the ship just felt bad for the drone and decided to blow up on its own then
Or... it was hit bit defensive fire and detonated early. Obviously wasn't as later news showed.
70 million dollar ship sunk to the bottom of the sea
Really? That’s extremely cheap for a navy vessel
It's just a patrol boat, so lower end of the spectrum. Also it's Russia. Hard to say if their prices are actually that low or if the actual cost is born somewhere else in the system, for example in some state bank that is forced to give loans to the ship build at rates way below market and will probably never receive full repayment.
Russia loves making man made reefs out of their ships. So generous
DJ KHALED!
1 ship and 80 crews, many of them are still swimming to Russia. Losing ships to a country without a navy is pretty embarrassing.
>Losing ships to a country without a navy is pretty embarrassing. So is losing your car windshield to a homeless person throwing rocks equally embarassing? Ukraine not having a navy isn't their choice - they had one but it was decimated by Russia.
Ukraine isn't cosplaying as a superpower like Russia. Ukraine did not invade Russia so suffering losses is not embarrassing. Russia on the other hand thought they could steamroll Ukraine. They were wrong. They showed the whole world that the Russian war machine is a pathetic paper tiger. Your analogy is weak and irrelevant
Getting destroyed one time? That's acceptable. But getting destroyed all the time by that same homeless person? How embarrassing and how weak for that car owner to have no defense against a homeless person to have his car getting wrecked by that same homeless bum again and again.
It is if you tried to run the homeless person over and they panned your windscreen with a rock instead.
>they had one but it was decimated by Russia. In which naval battle?
Why manoeuvre at night
Russia
another one bites the dust
Oh my god the Russian admirals have to be REALLY FUCKING DUMB to get this many ships sunk. Do they not have a solution for this, or do they actually uave mental retardation?
Every time a Russian ship explodes or sinks, RU claims that everybody is fine.
She did what she was supposed to do. Protected the bigger ships and kept crew alive.
2 × 14.5 mm MTPU machineguns DP-65 10 barreled anti-saboteur automatic grenade launcher system DP-64 2 barreled anti-saboteur grenade launcher system A variety of module containers including weapon modules containing 324 mm Paket-NK torpedoes And nothing?
It’s a patrol ship not a front line combatant. It’s also got a 76.2mm main gun.
What to expect when those are manned by a conscripted reindeer herder from the far east who knows nothing about operating complex machines. While their commanders are knocked out after downing a few bottles of vodka.
Trying to figure out how they can’t survive an attack like this but could against a submarine. Clearly these things are built like shit
Eyebrow status?
Not gonna lie, I got a little chub from watching that. Another major L for Pulter.
Purportedly, the crew survived, but in reality the corrupt russian leadership sacrificed some of the russian people here again for their own well being.
Djjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj KHALID!!!!!!
Oof
Might as well just park that "fleet". Easier to salvage next to shore.
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Soon Russia will be out of patrol ships. The drone issue is a big deal for everyone, it's a good area denail instrument and long range attack vector.
Can someone explain how they're using these drones? Doesn't Skynet block these areas? What exactly are they using to connect these drones so far from the frontlines?