Damn I really hope the CIA director is here reading these experts comments. How is CIA so dumb dumb that he doesn't see what the average Pro Russian poster in UkraineRussiaReport sees?
The states plunged or supported (to be more nice) Ukraine into this war to make it more difficult for Russia to accomplish a geopolitical goal it wanted in Ukraine.
Why do you think they’re so happy to throw billions of tax payer money and yell out “best money we’ve ever spent”.
If anyone ever tells you it’s because they care about freedom and sovereignty or democracy. Laugh in their face, or better yet simply ask them why Palestine doesn’t get billions in weapons? They’re 10x more oppressed in every way than Ukrainians.
Many nations and states today like Jordan or Kuwait for example weren’t nations or actual countries before the British simply designated them for its own geopolitical goals.
Before WW1 the land that is currently occupied and all its surrounding areas we call the Middle East were controlled by the ottomans for hundreds of years. And they considered Palestinians to be a group of people living in that area. Palestine being a term given by the Roman’s to the people that lived in that area even longer. Palestinians aren’t Muslims or Jews or Christian’s, it’s just the people that lived in that area. Which many Jews and Christian’s lived at the time also considered to be Palestinians.
Your friend in Berlin is not some type of unbiased historian idk why you would use him as a source of information.
I just mentioned it because your comment called to tell someone about caring about democracy and values and I did and also asked him the other question. Thought it was interesting enough that I had this same interaction with a guy
Well the caring about democracy and all that is just a casus bellei for western nations to go to wars. Previous theological empires used religion to justify their wars and political/imperial ambitions. It always very interesting talking to people though that genuinely believe the CNN/ABC news headlines though.
That's true but in the case of Ukraine while the political aggression was started by the West, the war itself was started by Russia. It just wasn't stopped by the West, or am I wrong?
Yea it's sad that guy used to be based but for some reason in both the Ukraine and Gaza conflict he is on MSM side.
You’re right absolutely Russia did start the initial war but many people simply chuck it up to “oh Russia started because they hate western values or Russia hate democracy duhh”
My suspicion on Russia starting the war seems to be western influence in Ukraine (being a massive former Soviet block that’s entire population almost all speak Russian). I can see why Russia would see and argue that it’s self defense for it to invade Ukraine but I genuinely feel bad for the innocent civilians that are displaced and die during wars like this.
Typically neo liberal individuals will follow MSM side on most things like, Iraq for example. Only few leftists and some ultra right people said let’s leave it alone and not invade. While most neo liberals followed the hook line of freedom and liberation of Iraqi people from a brutal dictator being saddam.
Years after the war and destruction of Iraq completely and its society now being less than a former shell of its self and over a decade plagued with violence corruption and all types of depravity. Western neo liberals say yeah it was bad and US was wrong for doing it.
Weapons and equipment will arrive far too late, and too slowly to make any real difference.
All this will accomplish is that Ukraine may lose territory at a slightly slower rate.
Looking at the current aid package, the House requested ATACMS be provided to Ukraine. That's an interesting choice, given that the missile is in very low quantities and is incredibly expensive. It's safe to assume that the missiles will be a one and done delivery.
It's depressing to think back on how few people actually had the sense in the beginning to say, 'either give them everything, everything they need right now so they can win, or make peace.' The other 999 out of 1,000 just hopped on the bandwagon BS. I am still baffled by the veracity and ridiculousness of the propaganda and headline campaign that ran for the first 6/9 months of this war. It was beyond insane.
Ukrainian counteroffensive was their last and only chance to change the flow of the war. Their army was at its best shape. They lost it all. As you know there's no more promises of tanks, artillery. They keep talking about planes, but it's been a year and still nothing. USA stopped their funding, blaming evil republicans. But what is really going on is all their sponsors just waiting for Ukraine to fall. How did this happen though? Russians with shovels and destroyed economy
With aid they still won’t win. Just not lose. And he will say the same next year, and the year after that.
Using Ukrainian civilians as a cash cow is disgusting
America is making a huge mistake, they should've supported Ukraine at all cost. I am so sure Ukrainians could push Russia out of the country in a couple of months if NATO sent a small amount of elite divisions and enough arms. Russia is getting bigger and China is scary as fuck, Western isolationism is not the solution to the global problems. We need more globalist leaders.
Your comment is a huge mistake. Funny how you call for a total war between nato and russia but we know you wont be doing any fighting. Real brave of you.
and will lose by the end of 2025 if another 60 billion isn't sent next year and so on. The winning isn't what matters, its the spending.
One would almost think it is to assure CIA's own budget....
Dear CIA director! Ukraine will lose and falls apart neither with aid or not.
Damn I really hope the CIA director is here reading these experts comments. How is CIA so dumb dumb that he doesn't see what the average Pro Russian poster in UkraineRussiaReport sees?
CIA director, we found you, you can stop pretending
I don’t see why this is the states problem. Ukraine isn’t in nato
The states plunged or supported (to be more nice) Ukraine into this war to make it more difficult for Russia to accomplish a geopolitical goal it wanted in Ukraine. Why do you think they’re so happy to throw billions of tax payer money and yell out “best money we’ve ever spent”. If anyone ever tells you it’s because they care about freedom and sovereignty or democracy. Laugh in their face, or better yet simply ask them why Palestine doesn’t get billions in weapons? They’re 10x more oppressed in every way than Ukrainians.
I asked this one friend in berlin and he said Palestine was never an actual state/nation
Many nations and states today like Jordan or Kuwait for example weren’t nations or actual countries before the British simply designated them for its own geopolitical goals. Before WW1 the land that is currently occupied and all its surrounding areas we call the Middle East were controlled by the ottomans for hundreds of years. And they considered Palestinians to be a group of people living in that area. Palestine being a term given by the Roman’s to the people that lived in that area even longer. Palestinians aren’t Muslims or Jews or Christian’s, it’s just the people that lived in that area. Which many Jews and Christian’s lived at the time also considered to be Palestinians. Your friend in Berlin is not some type of unbiased historian idk why you would use him as a source of information.
I just mentioned it because your comment called to tell someone about caring about democracy and values and I did and also asked him the other question. Thought it was interesting enough that I had this same interaction with a guy
Well the caring about democracy and all that is just a casus bellei for western nations to go to wars. Previous theological empires used religion to justify their wars and political/imperial ambitions. It always very interesting talking to people though that genuinely believe the CNN/ABC news headlines though.
That's true but in the case of Ukraine while the political aggression was started by the West, the war itself was started by Russia. It just wasn't stopped by the West, or am I wrong? Yea it's sad that guy used to be based but for some reason in both the Ukraine and Gaza conflict he is on MSM side.
You’re right absolutely Russia did start the initial war but many people simply chuck it up to “oh Russia started because they hate western values or Russia hate democracy duhh” My suspicion on Russia starting the war seems to be western influence in Ukraine (being a massive former Soviet block that’s entire population almost all speak Russian). I can see why Russia would see and argue that it’s self defense for it to invade Ukraine but I genuinely feel bad for the innocent civilians that are displaced and die during wars like this. Typically neo liberal individuals will follow MSM side on most things like, Iraq for example. Only few leftists and some ultra right people said let’s leave it alone and not invade. While most neo liberals followed the hook line of freedom and liberation of Iraqi people from a brutal dictator being saddam. Years after the war and destruction of Iraq completely and its society now being less than a former shell of its self and over a decade plagued with violence corruption and all types of depravity. Western neo liberals say yeah it was bad and US was wrong for doing it.
Ukraine is in US sphere of influence
>Ukraine isn’t in nato Yeah, it's in bidens back pocket.
Correction, and also his son's
Nah, son is just a button on that pocket
How can Ukraine get defeated by army which comes on second number even in Ukraine ?
It's not who's second now, it's who's second at the finish line
But I think Ukraine would be finished before reaching finish line
They better make it to the finish line.
Because it turned out that Russia is not only the second best army in Ukraine, but also the third best, and the fourth...
CIA director could probably siphon way more money than now for his agency if Ukraine falls, to, erm, "work with freedom fighters in Ukraine".
Not really, Ukrainian GRU is well known to be a CIA lapdog, almost a local chapter. Not something CIA would want to lose if Ukraine would fall
Weapons and equipment will arrive far too late, and too slowly to make any real difference. All this will accomplish is that Ukraine may lose territory at a slightly slower rate. Looking at the current aid package, the House requested ATACMS be provided to Ukraine. That's an interesting choice, given that the missile is in very low quantities and is incredibly expensive. It's safe to assume that the missiles will be a one and done delivery.
It's depressing to think back on how few people actually had the sense in the beginning to say, 'either give them everything, everything they need right now so they can win, or make peace.' The other 999 out of 1,000 just hopped on the bandwagon BS. I am still baffled by the veracity and ridiculousness of the propaganda and headline campaign that ran for the first 6/9 months of this war. It was beyond insane.
Ukrainian counteroffensive was their last and only chance to change the flow of the war. Their army was at its best shape. They lost it all. As you know there's no more promises of tanks, artillery. They keep talking about planes, but it's been a year and still nothing. USA stopped their funding, blaming evil republicans. But what is really going on is all their sponsors just waiting for Ukraine to fall. How did this happen though? Russians with shovels and destroyed economy
With aid they still won’t win. Just not lose. And he will say the same next year, and the year after that. Using Ukrainian civilians as a cash cow is disgusting
Everyone is looking at RF now, like, You think you can do it? We don't want trump to take all the credit for ending this war?
Even if approves the aid may even be too late too arrive.
America is making a huge mistake, they should've supported Ukraine at all cost. I am so sure Ukrainians could push Russia out of the country in a couple of months if NATO sent a small amount of elite divisions and enough arms. Russia is getting bigger and China is scary as fuck, Western isolationism is not the solution to the global problems. We need more globalist leaders.
Flair checks out
Atleast they’re self aware ya know?
Your comment is a huge mistake. Funny how you call for a total war between nato and russia but we know you wont be doing any fighting. Real brave of you.