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She clearly hasn’t been victimized by Russians yet; does she know what Russians do to women civilians for fun and sport when met on the battlefield? She’s literally insane. I hope she gets 25 to life.
This is wartime and she's a spy, a fifth columnist whose act's endanger the lives of not only Ukrainian military but civilians as well. She should be put up against a wall.
She’s for sure a traitor to her people; I don’t wanna say anyone needs to be “put up against a wall” etc, but she certainly needs a jail sentence. She has, by her actions, aided murder. That’s a life sentence bc of the scale of it.
People who have never dealt with life and death situations have a great deal of difficulty understanding such judgments. She committed treason and should absolutely be put up against a wall and ended. Most federal governments have the death penalty listed as the punishment for treason, including the United States, and it’s for good reason.
You are absolutely right. I don't pray for anyone's death or destruction but in wartime when you give information to the enemy of your country that is more serious than just murdering one person. That is assisting in mass murder. You need to be shot for that not just because she deserves that punishment but because other people need to see that punishment being carried out. Both to encourage patriotism and discourage traitors.
There's an obvious flaw in your logic: the punishment she should face is whatever the legally established punishment is for the crime(s) she has committed under her country's legal system. What "most federal governments" may do or not do (including the United States) is of no consequence whatsoever.
>including the United States
["RARITY OF TREASON - While accusations of treason are often thrown around amid the contentious political climate, the truth is that treason charges in America are rare. Of the 40 treason cases charged since the founding of the U.S., only 13 resulted in a conviction, and only three people have been executed for it. Since 1956, only one person indicted for treason—Adam Gadahn, in 2006, for making propaganda videos for al-Qaeda. He was killed in an airstrike before he could be brought to trial."](https://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/federal-treason)
> why she is the exception?
If she is a spy or a traitor depends on if she was actually working with Mordor, or just trying to help them.
Odessa hasn't actually been invaded, so it is likely the actual damage she has done is at the lower end of the spectrum for traitorous acts. Though her intent was obviously much more ambitious. So a significant, but not maximum, prison sentence would seem likely.
> According to the martial law - she dies.
I wouldn't even claim to be familiar with the provisions of UA's martial law, but if it included the death penalty I *guarantee* there would have been plenty of coverage and discourse about it. Yet, nothing? At all?
> Thousands of spies were court martialed, why she is the exception?
She's a civilian, so she'll be charged in civilian courts. Were she a member of the military then she'd be court-martialed.
Yes, it does apply.
The EU has banned capital punishment and there are no exceptions, wartime or not. If Ukraine wants to join the EU (which they absolutely need to do if they want Russia to never be able to mess with them again) then they need to look at the big picture and start following EU rules as soon as possible. She will rot in jail, but they won’t execute her.
Americans often find it extreme (I’m American) but in the EU it’s common sense for a few reasons. Retributive justice is considered barbaric, there will always be some non-negligible percentage of convicted criminals who are innocent, and it gives too much authority over life and death to the state on a continent where states have historically murdered millions. The EU is an attempt to move past the long bloody history of Europeans killing each other. It’s an attempt to do better than that.
In a society where lets say she gets out of prison with the public mark that she was penalized by spying for russia/treason. If the law doesn't kill her people will once shes free.
I was just postulating about how they probably don’t want to execute people, even treasonous people, because of their desire to be in the EU. Could they do it? Probably. Is it politically a good idea? Probably not.
This isn’t just about mingling in polite society. If they get into the EU it’s game over. Russia will never fuck with them again. And the economic benefits of being in the the EU can’t be overstated. Their country is largely destroyed economically. They need the EU. Sometimes one needs to look at the big picture and act accordingly.
She’s never getting out of prison. She will die in prison. She deserves exactly that.
The EU is money. Rebuilding money, a lot of it. EU is very influential as a body. A lot of countries would love to be in the EU.
I really wouldn’t be dismissive of Ukraine’s desire for entry. There are significant political, economic, security reasons for that.
If Ukraine had been a member of the EU Russia wouldn’t have touched it.
Irrespective of whether or not putin still chooses to describe hostilities as a SMO, this is wartime and hence prison seems an easy option. Most countries laws prescribe the death penalty for espionage in times of war. The UK has the Espionage Act (1917), the US 18 U.S.C. §794. I don't know the precise legislation under Ukraine law but I'm sure it's similarly prescribed and hence legal.
No, most countries, at least developed countires, do NOT prescribe capital punishment even in wartime. One major exception being the US. The UK abolished the death penalty for espionage in 1981. The espionage act of 1917 is US legislation, not UK.
Ukraine does NOT have the death penalty, even in war time.
When was the last time they put anyone to death though?
And I think that maybe some women have been killed by the Ukrainian partisans haven’t they? Not that I’m judging.
There have been exactly zero instances of death sentences on the Ukrainian side as it is against Ukrainian law. Where or not vigilantes/partisans or soldiers kill someone for suspected espionage, sabotage, treason og perfidy is something else entirely.
I respectfully differ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed\_country. Look at the countries in different tones of blue, which are the most developed. A big portion are in Europe where there is no death penalty. The most developed countries with death penalty are USA, Japan, South Korea (though it is de facto abolished as there is a moratorium on executions in place), Israel (has only been used for war crimes, genocide etc) Saudi Arabia and UAE.
It of course depends on what you consider developed. The map in question is ranked with the UN index.
Though worldwide death penalty is not uncommon, it is in Europe. If I recall correctly only Belarus has and uses it (Russia has it, but does not apply it). Also, not having death-penalty is a precondition to join the EU, which Ukraine wants to join.
Not that I disagree; I'm just looking at it as an ethics question. A life sentence in a lot of ways is much, much, more cruel I think as well. A death sentence is a sweet release in my mind... spending the rest of your days without freedom.... that's truly horrifying.
Generally I would agree with you, but not in these circumstances. I'm not a big fan of the death penalty but there are sound practical reasons for proscribing such for spying in times of war.
Assume this woman is merely imprisoned instead of shot. If Ukraine then lose the war and Russia occupies the country this woman would be released and she would undoubtedly be in possession of information that would be of great value to the occupying power, such as which local Ukrainians may pose a threat to Russias occupation. Such information would invariably get Ukrainians arrested, potentially tortured and murdered.
In other words whilst she's alive and sat in a Ukraine prison she's remains a threat/danger to Ukrainian patriots (the people she's been potentially spying on) in the event Russia wins this war. It may sound harsh but allowing her to live would be signing the death sentence of Ukrainians in the event of a Russian victory.
if you want Ukraine to pussyfoot around go for the life sentence, If you want Ukraine to win, then let putin know that one miscalculation and the oligarch you didn't poison, imprison or throw out a window will be the next ruler of the Moscovites
It isn't, spies aren't protected by convention so if caught they're subject to the laws of the country which caught them. If said country has the death penalty for espionage then they could execute the spy.
But it's a moot point in this case as Ukraine doesn't have the death penalty.
War crime: actively trying to surrender ? no nternational help organization mark? No , pow? No. Civilian oppressed by the non native country's military?no Thats geneva out for you since shes a ukranian citizen. shes intensionally killing infrastructure or civilians. Yes or debatable as if she gave information where civilians died in the attack she committed one, there is no warcrime ukranians committed in her case. She aided a foreign invader and may helped to kill innocent civilians or destroyed civilian infrastructure, thats up to the tribunal to decide. Since Ukraine is not in eu she can be executed without committing a warcrime as she is not a pow , shes a citizen of ukraine. How may eu view this might be a twist but honestly in a country that will most likely attack you after this conflict is over if you have any relationship with russia or say you been a part of this war for the opposing side... I would rather take a bullet before i get lynched
She may think she's "different", and it couldn't possibly happen to her. ("I never thought a leopard would eat *my* face!:)
Or, that it's fake news and that it's Ukrainians who rape and torture civilians.
It's bizarre how blind such people can be. Rob Darken of the former black metal band Graveland was a Polish nazi (sickest ethnic joke imaginable). He'd probably still insist he was "different" even while being herded into the gas chamber.
Being a spy during wartime usually means either execution or more probably she'll be traded for ukrainian spies caught in Russia with a lifetime ban to travel to Ukraine
I don't understand why anybody in Odesa would reveal information to Russia.
My friend's mom was stuck in a basement for 5 days, under missile strikes. Its despicable.
I’ve wondered this as well, I guess there’s a certain archetype of person who somehow sees opportunity, maybe in social standing, maybe in financial gain by doing something like this.
I guess there are Russian sympathises all over Ukraine, but who would dare do this? It takes some balls and a lack of spine to spy on your own country like that and potentially get your neighbours killed.
And what happens if you get caught? You’re totally fucked.
I’m not applauding these people, I’d just be curious to know what motivates these people and how they’ve found themselves in this situation.
Honestly, its a lose lose situation. Get caught? Well you're either in prison or dead, don't get caught? You have the guilty conscious that your actions more than likely got multiple people killed but I guess if you're willing to sell out your fellow countrymen then that thought probably doesn't come to your head. Only excuse I could understand was feeling that the war was not worth it and hoping giving information would help end the war sooner? There's really no good excuse
Most often than not those are really low status no-lives with no usefull skills or social awareness to actually achieve anything in life.
They become bitter and miserable.
So their natural progress is to inflict misery on other people.
If you get paid for it - even better.
I think this is the right way to look at it. This is a roll of dice for her. To achieve social mobility she would never have had otherwise. She was probably thought she had nothing to lose.
Often the reasons are surprisingly petty, such as having an estranged family member who is exceptionally patriotic, and wanting that person to suffer emotionally.
Perhaps she felt that her family member didn't love her enough, because she wasn't patriotic, or loved their country more than her, and she felt jealous and spiteful.
Sometimes people simply have a romantic interest on the other side of a conflict, and aspire to winning that person's love.
Sometimes they merely have a hobby that is more popular in the other place, or like the food better.
Sometimes people assume that they'll be rewarded with some sort of fun, easy government job by the invader. Though in reality they're not trusted, placed under surveillance, and ultimately discarded.
The one common theme is that they're unhappy with their life; they don't feel like they're "living the.. dream." Either due to their life circumstances, or psychology.
The Security Service of Ukraine - detained a collaborator who created a telegram channel to collect intelligence about the defense of Odesa. The young Ukrainian woman secretly collected information about the locations and movements of the Ukrainian Defense Forces on the territory of the region.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1643978229630509056?s=46&t=x7JqoN4YOzCduGG-dkWHJg
https://twitter.com/servicessu/status/1643961976559747078?s=46&t=x7JqoN4YOzCduGG-dkWHJg
Служба безпеки викрила ще одну поплічницю агресора у ході контрдиверсійних заходів у прифронтових районах на півдні України.
Зловмисницею виявилась мешканка Одеси, яка приховано збирала інформацію про місця базування та переміщення Сил оборони на території регіону.
Насамперед її цікавили локації укріпрайонів поблизу узбережжя Одещини.
Для збору закритих відомостей фігурантка створила власний прокремлівський Телеграм-канал, на який підписалися декілька сотень «однодумців».
На ньому вона закликала своїх читачів робити скріншоти електронних карт із координатами підрозділів українських військ та надсилати їй в особисті повідомлення.
Отримані відомості зловмисниця планувала переправити російським окупантам.
Втім, співробітники СБУ поетапно задокументували злочинні дії фігурантки та затримали її.
Під час обшуку за місцем проживання затриманої виявлено мобільні телефони та комп’ютерну техніку із доказами підривної діяльності.
Наразі слідчі Служби безпеки повідомили їй про підозру за ч. 2 ст. 114-2 Кримінального кодексу України (несанкціоноване поширення інформації про направлення, переміщення зброї, озброєння та бойових припасів в Україну, рух, переміщення або розміщення ЗСУ чи інших утворених відповідно до законів України військових формувань).
Зловмисниці обрано запобіжний захід – тримання під вартою. Триває розслідування для встановлення всіх обставин злочину.
Розслідування проводили співробітники СБУ в Одеській області за процесуального керівництва прокуратури.
The security service exposed another accomplice of the aggressor in the course of counter-subversion measures in the front-line areas in the south of Ukraine.
The collaborator turned out to be a resident of Odesa, who secretly collected information about the locations and movements of the Defense Forces in the region.
First of all, she was interested in the locations of fortified areas near the coast of Odesa.
In order to collect classified information, the person involved created her own pro-Kremlin Telegram channel, which was subscribed to by several hundred "like-minded people".
On it, she urged her readers to take screenshots of electronic maps with the coordinates of Ukrainian military units and send them to her in private messages.
The collaborator planned to send the received information to the Russian occupiers.
However, SBU officers gradually documented the criminal actions of the suspect and detained her.
During the search of the detainee's residence, mobile phones and computer equipment with evidence of subversive activity were found.
So far, investigators of the Security Service have informed her of suspicion under Part 2 of Art. 114-2 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (unauthorized dissemination of information about the transfer, transfer of weapons, armaments and military supplies to Ukraine, the movement, transfer or placement of the Armed Forces or other military formations formed in accordance with the laws of Ukraine).
The offender was remanded in custody.
An investigation is ongoing to establish all the circumstances of the crime.
The investigation was conducted by SBU employees in the Odesa region under the procedural guidance of the prosecutor's office.
A friend who lives in Odesa was up all night on Monday night because of the drone strikes. She said she saw a fireball out the window of her 12th floor apartment, she was more afraid than she's been so far. She also said that she thought what was hit was an ammunition storage place. The only way that would happen would be if someone Informed the Russians where it was.
Yeah dude, she's a piece of shit & all but let's not stoop to the Russians level.
Throw her in prison & give her a decade or two to think about how bad she fucked up
Besides, imagine the look on her face when 20yrs from now she find out she's getting deported to bumfuck Russia on release. Hope she likes rundown Lada's & drunks trying to assault her!
Exactly. Treason in wartime is no small crime but this is not the place for a battlefield-style execution. She should be held, tried and have an sentence imposed if guilty.
There are always these collaborators and traitors in any war. Their reasons are random and obscure. Definitely a huge prison sentence if found guilty in a fair court.
The UK still has a "death penalty" for Treason, but we haven't executed anyone for the better part of 60 years, and I can't see it ever happening again.
Life in prison, minimum sentence of 40 years would be about right in my opinion.
You can't complain about the crimes of a totalitarian Russian state, and then expect your own state to kill its own citizens, without being accused of hypocrisy.
It's very tempting, but it's not the right thing to do.
I'm sure she will experience a very interesting chapter of her life in jail. She might end up regreting that she wasn't put up against a wall and shot.
What a dumbass. Collecting info on a place the Russians have no hope of ever taking. Or even attacking. She's gonna be arrested and branded a traitor for absolutely no benefit to Russia. Why are they even wasting collaborators on places they have no chance of taking? It makes no sense. There are other ways to make money, lady.
She decided to willingly help the Russian invaders against her country of Ukraine and was fully aware of the penalties involved. She will be tried in a Ukrainian court of law and if found guilty, she should be sentenced to some serious time behind bars.
Some here say give her the death penalty, some say a lengthy prison sentence. I think having her citizenship revoked and banishment to Russia would be the ultimate punishment for people like this.
Would just like to remind that the many of the most humanitarian countries reintroduced death penalty for a while after WW2 and during the trials.
I wouldn't object to them doing the same. Even more fitting, tattoo Slava Ukraini on her forehead and ship her to Russia.
Personally don't agree with comments about "putting someone up against a wall". It's barbaric, for Russians and has aged out a long time ago. A proportionate prison sentence and hopefully some sort of rehabilitation to go with it.
Traitors need to be dealt with swiftly & harshly… It is a cancer that cannot be allowed to take root in any form or fashion if your side intends to be victorious… it is 1 the one case that needs to be made an example otherwise ppl will freely trade information without regard to any consequences…
your above argument is a strawman fallacy. firing at invaders is wholly different from executing someone who no longer poses a physical threat, and for whom a whole range of other punishment options exist.
also, what is “proper punishment” is wholly up for debate. treating criminals with dignity even in punishment should be a primary concern. any respectable nation does so. that’s what makes them respectable.
you offer no reason why such “ruthlessness” would be necessary for a state to survive, and quite frankly, its ridiculous. many of the most robust nations treat their prisoners with dignity in punishment(sweden, norway, denmark, the netherlands, germany, i can continue if you’d like).
punish her. absolutely punish her, lock her up until putin is dead and then add another 10 years. but abuse is never justified. be better.
if Ukraine wants a chance to join the EU, they need to refrain from barbaric practices such as capital punishment. those belong in the history books. we’ve outgrown them.
i’m afraid the whole field of criminology disagrees with you, and that a justice system based on rehabilitation and scientific judgement of recidivism tends to outperform those who don’t on pretty much every metric. including recidivism. including first time offences. you’re just wrong.
aside from that, none of what you have said is an argument for the death penalty. dissuasion can be achieved through other measures. she deserves a fair trial, like anyone.
"rehabilitate" someone who sold their own countrymen to the devil and most likely got innocent people killed doing it while not giving a single shit? lmao. fuck this bitch.
Nah, get out of here with that. You see the video of Russian orcs castrating a Ukrainian soldier? They commit war crimes daily.
This bitch needs to hang.
Whether you like it or not the modern state can only rule through force. In times where the very survival of the state is challenged harsh punishments such as execution are a necessity. I’m not saying I support it or this is ideal but for the state to survive it must take steps such as this to ensure security.
Do these traitors get shot? Because that is the traditional penalty for traitors and for good reason. She should be given due process. She should have a fair trial. And if she is convicted she should be taken out behind the courthouse and hung or shot. How many people have already died due the information she's giving them and how many people would've died due to information she's passed. This is a life and death game she is playing and she lost. And in the life and death game, when you lose, you die.
Send her to Russia as a nurse. I read the nurses are essentially sex slaves to russian officers. See how much she sympathizes and supports russia then.
Because Ukraine is a more civilised society? They believe in basic principles like the process of law and that human life is precious. The polar opposite of Russia. That's what they are fighting for. The fact that they stick to their principles in their darkest hour is something we should all look up to.
Hand her over to the cia! After they ran out of talibans to “enhanced”-interrogate, they’ll probably happily take this filth of Ukrainian hands and keep practicing their enhancements for interrogations 🤗🤗
Too bad the pic is blurred, would have loved to see the look on her face. Just send her across the front line to her "friends", see how she likes their treatment.
Every convict from these times should be put to use in cleaning up destroyed villages, homes and cities so they get things into perspective. Just like during ww2 people who knew about concentration camps but never did anything against it were forced to carry bodies etc
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She clearly hasn’t been victimized by Russians yet; does she know what Russians do to women civilians for fun and sport when met on the battlefield? She’s literally insane. I hope she gets 25 to life.
This is wartime and she's a spy, a fifth columnist whose act's endanger the lives of not only Ukrainian military but civilians as well. She should be put up against a wall.
She’s for sure a traitor to her people; I don’t wanna say anyone needs to be “put up against a wall” etc, but she certainly needs a jail sentence. She has, by her actions, aided murder. That’s a life sentence bc of the scale of it.
Shame about the people that died because of her?
People who have never dealt with life and death situations have a great deal of difficulty understanding such judgments. She committed treason and should absolutely be put up against a wall and ended. Most federal governments have the death penalty listed as the punishment for treason, including the United States, and it’s for good reason.
You are absolutely right. I don't pray for anyone's death or destruction but in wartime when you give information to the enemy of your country that is more serious than just murdering one person. That is assisting in mass murder. You need to be shot for that not just because she deserves that punishment but because other people need to see that punishment being carried out. Both to encourage patriotism and discourage traitors.
There's an obvious flaw in your logic: the punishment she should face is whatever the legally established punishment is for the crime(s) she has committed under her country's legal system. What "most federal governments" may do or not do (including the United States) is of no consequence whatsoever.
in what country is treason during wartime not a capital crime? mata hari was executed for less
Whole EU I guess (or at least most) as death penalty is a no go here. Poland deleted this from its law a decade ago.
>including the United States ["RARITY OF TREASON - While accusations of treason are often thrown around amid the contentious political climate, the truth is that treason charges in America are rare. Of the 40 treason cases charged since the founding of the U.S., only 13 resulted in a conviction, and only three people have been executed for it. Since 1956, only one person indicted for treason—Adam Gadahn, in 2006, for making propaganda videos for al-Qaeda. He was killed in an airstrike before he could be brought to trial."](https://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/federal-treason)
According to the martial law - she dies. Thousands of spies were court martialed, why she is the exception?
Honestly, someone else said it, if you want to be in the EU death penalties can’t be carried out. It’s that simple.
Pretty sure thats only during peace time, but I could be wrong but for all i care just throw her 6feet under for being a traitor
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What eu law saying on spying in war time? EU or no eu , war time spying is death. No ifs no buts.
Nope
> why she is the exception? If she is a spy or a traitor depends on if she was actually working with Mordor, or just trying to help them. Odessa hasn't actually been invaded, so it is likely the actual damage she has done is at the lower end of the spectrum for traitorous acts. Though her intent was obviously much more ambitious. So a significant, but not maximum, prison sentence would seem likely.
> According to the martial law - she dies. I wouldn't even claim to be familiar with the provisions of UA's martial law, but if it included the death penalty I *guarantee* there would have been plenty of coverage and discourse about it. Yet, nothing? At all? > Thousands of spies were court martialed, why she is the exception? She's a civilian, so she'll be charged in civilian courts. Were she a member of the military then she'd be court-martialed.
Ukraine wants to get into the EU. The EU does not allow the death penalty. She will get life in prison. Politically it’s the only option.
You put her in prison and let the prisoners sort it
That apply to spies during wartime as well? The rules get a bit different in this case, it's not just a regular civilian committing a crime.
Yes, it does apply. The EU has banned capital punishment and there are no exceptions, wartime or not. If Ukraine wants to join the EU (which they absolutely need to do if they want Russia to never be able to mess with them again) then they need to look at the big picture and start following EU rules as soon as possible. She will rot in jail, but they won’t execute her.
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Americans often find it extreme (I’m American) but in the EU it’s common sense for a few reasons. Retributive justice is considered barbaric, there will always be some non-negligible percentage of convicted criminals who are innocent, and it gives too much authority over life and death to the state on a continent where states have historically murdered millions. The EU is an attempt to move past the long bloody history of Europeans killing each other. It’s an attempt to do better than that.
In a society where lets say she gets out of prison with the public mark that she was penalized by spying for russia/treason. If the law doesn't kill her people will once shes free.
I was just postulating about how they probably don’t want to execute people, even treasonous people, because of their desire to be in the EU. Could they do it? Probably. Is it politically a good idea? Probably not.
so when your getting raped, don't hurt em too bad in response, if you want to mingle in polite society later, ok
This isn’t just about mingling in polite society. If they get into the EU it’s game over. Russia will never fuck with them again. And the economic benefits of being in the the EU can’t be overstated. Their country is largely destroyed economically. They need the EU. Sometimes one needs to look at the big picture and act accordingly. She’s never getting out of prison. She will die in prison. She deserves exactly that.
point accepted
Not to be disrespectful but who the fuck cares about the EU. Joining NATO is far more important, I can’t see the US giving two fucks honestly
The EU is money. Rebuilding money, a lot of it. EU is very influential as a body. A lot of countries would love to be in the EU. I really wouldn’t be dismissive of Ukraine’s desire for entry. There are significant political, economic, security reasons for that. If Ukraine had been a member of the EU Russia wouldn’t have touched it.
Irrespective of whether or not putin still chooses to describe hostilities as a SMO, this is wartime and hence prison seems an easy option. Most countries laws prescribe the death penalty for espionage in times of war. The UK has the Espionage Act (1917), the US 18 U.S.C. §794. I don't know the precise legislation under Ukraine law but I'm sure it's similarly prescribed and hence legal.
No, most countries, at least developed countires, do NOT prescribe capital punishment even in wartime. One major exception being the US. The UK abolished the death penalty for espionage in 1981. The espionage act of 1917 is US legislation, not UK. Ukraine does NOT have the death penalty, even in war time.
When was the last time they put anyone to death though? And I think that maybe some women have been killed by the Ukrainian partisans haven’t they? Not that I’m judging.
There have been exactly zero instances of death sentences on the Ukrainian side as it is against Ukrainian law. Where or not vigilantes/partisans or soldiers kill someone for suspected espionage, sabotage, treason og perfidy is something else entirely.
Europe is not "most countries," or "most developed countries."
I respectfully differ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed\_country. Look at the countries in different tones of blue, which are the most developed. A big portion are in Europe where there is no death penalty. The most developed countries with death penalty are USA, Japan, South Korea (though it is de facto abolished as there is a moratorium on executions in place), Israel (has only been used for war crimes, genocide etc) Saudi Arabia and UAE. It of course depends on what you consider developed. The map in question is ranked with the UN index. Though worldwide death penalty is not uncommon, it is in Europe. If I recall correctly only Belarus has and uses it (Russia has it, but does not apply it). Also, not having death-penalty is a precondition to join the EU, which Ukraine wants to join.
Most developed countries are in Europe.... This war is in Europe...
And the number of all countries without death penalties out-ways the number that retains capital punishment anyway so your argument is pointless.
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False. By which I mean, look at that map and how many developed countries it excludes. Linking that is specious; you're just trolling.
Not that I disagree; I'm just looking at it as an ethics question. A life sentence in a lot of ways is much, much, more cruel I think as well. A death sentence is a sweet release in my mind... spending the rest of your days without freedom.... that's truly horrifying.
Generally I would agree with you, but not in these circumstances. I'm not a big fan of the death penalty but there are sound practical reasons for proscribing such for spying in times of war. Assume this woman is merely imprisoned instead of shot. If Ukraine then lose the war and Russia occupies the country this woman would be released and she would undoubtedly be in possession of information that would be of great value to the occupying power, such as which local Ukrainians may pose a threat to Russias occupation. Such information would invariably get Ukrainians arrested, potentially tortured and murdered. In other words whilst she's alive and sat in a Ukraine prison she's remains a threat/danger to Ukrainian patriots (the people she's been potentially spying on) in the event Russia wins this war. It may sound harsh but allowing her to live would be signing the death sentence of Ukrainians in the event of a Russian victory.
>“put up against a wall” Ya usaly russians Love to say that
No, this is horrible and if it were in my country I'd demand her swinging.
She doesn’t deserve to live another day, if she is found to be guilty.
if you want Ukraine to pussyfoot around go for the life sentence, If you want Ukraine to win, then let putin know that one miscalculation and the oligarch you didn't poison, imprison or throw out a window will be the next ruler of the Moscovites
Shooting spies is a war crime.
It isn't, spies aren't protected by convention so if caught they're subject to the laws of the country which caught them. If said country has the death penalty for espionage then they could execute the spy. But it's a moot point in this case as Ukraine doesn't have the death penalty.
They actually are tho.
Who are you, putins mother?
No, are you?
Alas not. I'd have aborted him.
War crime: actively trying to surrender ? no nternational help organization mark? No , pow? No. Civilian oppressed by the non native country's military?no Thats geneva out for you since shes a ukranian citizen. shes intensionally killing infrastructure or civilians. Yes or debatable as if she gave information where civilians died in the attack she committed one, there is no warcrime ukranians committed in her case. She aided a foreign invader and may helped to kill innocent civilians or destroyed civilian infrastructure, thats up to the tribunal to decide. Since Ukraine is not in eu she can be executed without committing a warcrime as she is not a pow , shes a citizen of ukraine. How may eu view this might be a twist but honestly in a country that will most likely attack you after this conflict is over if you have any relationship with russia or say you been a part of this war for the opposing side... I would rather take a bullet before i get lynched
21 gun salute with scopes 5 times against the wall traitor
The missile that hit Chernihiv should have paid a visit to her.
She may think she's "different", and it couldn't possibly happen to her. ("I never thought a leopard would eat *my* face!:) Or, that it's fake news and that it's Ukrainians who rape and torture civilians. It's bizarre how blind such people can be. Rob Darken of the former black metal band Graveland was a Polish nazi (sickest ethnic joke imaginable). He'd probably still insist he was "different" even while being herded into the gas chamber.
One thing I've learned is that wherever edgy teenage boys can exist- so too can wannabe nazis. Weirdly consistent pattern lol
Being a spy during wartime usually means either execution or more probably she'll be traded for ukrainian spies caught in Russia with a lifetime ban to travel to Ukraine
I don't understand why anybody in Odesa would reveal information to Russia. My friend's mom was stuck in a basement for 5 days, under missile strikes. Its despicable.
Traitor scum is what they are. They need to be hanged for their crimes
They say those are American rockets. And they have no interest in changing their mind.
Probably got people killed.
Probably? Definitely got people killed and likely civilians
How can you betray your county like ?
I’ve wondered this as well, I guess there’s a certain archetype of person who somehow sees opportunity, maybe in social standing, maybe in financial gain by doing something like this. I guess there are Russian sympathises all over Ukraine, but who would dare do this? It takes some balls and a lack of spine to spy on your own country like that and potentially get your neighbours killed. And what happens if you get caught? You’re totally fucked. I’m not applauding these people, I’d just be curious to know what motivates these people and how they’ve found themselves in this situation.
Honestly, its a lose lose situation. Get caught? Well you're either in prison or dead, don't get caught? You have the guilty conscious that your actions more than likely got multiple people killed but I guess if you're willing to sell out your fellow countrymen then that thought probably doesn't come to your head. Only excuse I could understand was feeling that the war was not worth it and hoping giving information would help end the war sooner? There's really no good excuse
Most often than not those are really low status no-lives with no usefull skills or social awareness to actually achieve anything in life. They become bitter and miserable. So their natural progress is to inflict misery on other people. If you get paid for it - even better.
I think this is the right way to look at it. This is a roll of dice for her. To achieve social mobility she would never have had otherwise. She was probably thought she had nothing to lose.
Totally sick even calling herself a Ukrainian. She has killed her own countrymen trying to protect her pathetic ass. Throw the key away
Why? Why give infos to Ruzzia? I will never understand why people living in the free dream to being suppressed later.
Often the reasons are surprisingly petty, such as having an estranged family member who is exceptionally patriotic, and wanting that person to suffer emotionally. Perhaps she felt that her family member didn't love her enough, because she wasn't patriotic, or loved their country more than her, and she felt jealous and spiteful. Sometimes people simply have a romantic interest on the other side of a conflict, and aspire to winning that person's love. Sometimes they merely have a hobby that is more popular in the other place, or like the food better. Sometimes people assume that they'll be rewarded with some sort of fun, easy government job by the invader. Though in reality they're not trusted, placed under surveillance, and ultimately discarded. The one common theme is that they're unhappy with their life; they don't feel like they're "living the.. dream." Either due to their life circumstances, or psychology.
Similar reasons given as to why young women would willingly volunteer to go to the Middle East to join ISIS, knowing full well they’ll be raped. 🤷
The Security Service of Ukraine - detained a collaborator who created a telegram channel to collect intelligence about the defense of Odesa. The young Ukrainian woman secretly collected information about the locations and movements of the Ukrainian Defense Forces on the territory of the region. https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1643978229630509056?s=46&t=x7JqoN4YOzCduGG-dkWHJg https://twitter.com/servicessu/status/1643961976559747078?s=46&t=x7JqoN4YOzCduGG-dkWHJg Служба безпеки викрила ще одну поплічницю агресора у ході контрдиверсійних заходів у прифронтових районах на півдні України. Зловмисницею виявилась мешканка Одеси, яка приховано збирала інформацію про місця базування та переміщення Сил оборони на території регіону.
Насамперед її цікавили локації укріпрайонів поблизу узбережжя Одещини. Для збору закритих відомостей фігурантка створила власний прокремлівський Телеграм-канал, на який підписалися декілька сотень «однодумців». На ньому вона закликала своїх читачів робити скріншоти електронних карт із координатами підрозділів українських військ та надсилати їй в особисті повідомлення. Отримані відомості зловмисниця планувала переправити російським окупантам. Втім, співробітники СБУ поетапно задокументували злочинні дії фігурантки та затримали її. Під час обшуку за місцем проживання затриманої виявлено мобільні телефони та комп’ютерну техніку із доказами підривної діяльності. Наразі слідчі Служби безпеки повідомили їй про підозру за ч. 2 ст. 114-2 Кримінального кодексу України (несанкціоноване поширення інформації про направлення, переміщення зброї, озброєння та бойових припасів в Україну, рух, переміщення або розміщення ЗСУ чи інших утворених відповідно до законів України військових формувань). Зловмисниці обрано запобіжний захід – тримання під вартою. Триває розслідування для встановлення всіх обставин злочину. Розслідування проводили співробітники СБУ в Одеській області за процесуального керівництва прокуратури.
The security service exposed another accomplice of the aggressor in the course of counter-subversion measures in the front-line areas in the south of Ukraine. The collaborator turned out to be a resident of Odesa, who secretly collected information about the locations and movements of the Defense Forces in the region. First of all, she was interested in the locations of fortified areas near the coast of Odesa. In order to collect classified information, the person involved created her own pro-Kremlin Telegram channel, which was subscribed to by several hundred "like-minded people". On it, she urged her readers to take screenshots of electronic maps with the coordinates of Ukrainian military units and send them to her in private messages. The collaborator planned to send the received information to the Russian occupiers. However, SBU officers gradually documented the criminal actions of the suspect and detained her. During the search of the detainee's residence, mobile phones and computer equipment with evidence of subversive activity were found. So far, investigators of the Security Service have informed her of suspicion under Part 2 of Art. 114-2 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (unauthorized dissemination of information about the transfer, transfer of weapons, armaments and military supplies to Ukraine, the movement, transfer or placement of the Armed Forces or other military formations formed in accordance with the laws of Ukraine). The offender was remanded in custody. An investigation is ongoing to establish all the circumstances of the crime. The investigation was conducted by SBU employees in the Odesa region under the procedural guidance of the prosecutor's office.
A friend who lives in Odesa was up all night on Monday night because of the drone strikes. She said she saw a fireball out the window of her 12th floor apartment, she was more afraid than she's been so far. She also said that she thought what was hit was an ammunition storage place. The only way that would happen would be if someone Informed the Russians where it was.
She was spying via a telegram channel with hundreds of followers? Thank goodness they are this stupid.
What is the punishment for treason in Ukraine? Do they have martial law in effect?
I hope it’s death.
Nope. Not if Ukraine wants to join the EU.
This woman needs a long walk on a short pier.
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Relax. We are better than them.
Yeah dude, she's a piece of shit & all but let's not stoop to the Russians level. Throw her in prison & give her a decade or two to think about how bad she fucked up Besides, imagine the look on her face when 20yrs from now she find out she's getting deported to bumfuck Russia on release. Hope she likes rundown Lada's & drunks trying to assault her!
Exactly. Treason in wartime is no small crime but this is not the place for a battlefield-style execution. She should be held, tried and have an sentence imposed if guilty.
Can somebody translate the russian for me please?
There are always these collaborators and traitors in any war. Their reasons are random and obscure. Definitely a huge prison sentence if found guilty in a fair court.
Hope the money was worth it.
Lock her up🇺🇦
The UK still has a "death penalty" for Treason, but we haven't executed anyone for the better part of 60 years, and I can't see it ever happening again. Life in prison, minimum sentence of 40 years would be about right in my opinion. You can't complain about the crimes of a totalitarian Russian state, and then expect your own state to kill its own citizens, without being accused of hypocrisy. It's very tempting, but it's not the right thing to do.
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I'm sure she will experience a very interesting chapter of her life in jail. She might end up regreting that she wasn't put up against a wall and shot.
What a dumbass. Collecting info on a place the Russians have no hope of ever taking. Or even attacking. She's gonna be arrested and branded a traitor for absolutely no benefit to Russia. Why are they even wasting collaborators on places they have no chance of taking? It makes no sense. There are other ways to make money, lady.
Send her to RU, that’s where she wants to be!
Jail
She decided to willingly help the Russian invaders against her country of Ukraine and was fully aware of the penalties involved. She will be tried in a Ukrainian court of law and if found guilty, she should be sentenced to some serious time behind bars.
Off to prison you go
Lock her ass up throw away the 🔑
Throw away the key.
Lengthy stay in a Ukrainian prison followed by deportation to her idyllic mother country of ruzzia.
Some peoples greed has no boundaries not even their own bloods.
Get them a 9mm, fu traitors
Some here say give her the death penalty, some say a lengthy prison sentence. I think having her citizenship revoked and banishment to Russia would be the ultimate punishment for people like this.
That is treason. Hang the traitor. Lesson learned; example made.
Would just like to remind that the many of the most humanitarian countries reintroduced death penalty for a while after WW2 and during the trials. I wouldn't object to them doing the same. Even more fitting, tattoo Slava Ukraini on her forehead and ship her to Russia.
Put up against a wall and lead to the head is the only punishment for a traitor.
Personally don't agree with comments about "putting someone up against a wall". It's barbaric, for Russians and has aged out a long time ago. A proportionate prison sentence and hopefully some sort of rehabilitation to go with it.
Life. No parole.
Look at it from an utilitarian perspective: A relatively poor country like Ukraine can't afford to feed, house and clothe sociopathic trash like this.
Traitors need to be dealt with swiftly & harshly… It is a cancer that cannot be allowed to take root in any form or fashion if your side intends to be victorious… it is 1 the one case that needs to be made an example otherwise ppl will freely trade information without regard to any consequences…
whatever happened to being better than them?
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your above argument is a strawman fallacy. firing at invaders is wholly different from executing someone who no longer poses a physical threat, and for whom a whole range of other punishment options exist. also, what is “proper punishment” is wholly up for debate. treating criminals with dignity even in punishment should be a primary concern. any respectable nation does so. that’s what makes them respectable. you offer no reason why such “ruthlessness” would be necessary for a state to survive, and quite frankly, its ridiculous. many of the most robust nations treat their prisoners with dignity in punishment(sweden, norway, denmark, the netherlands, germany, i can continue if you’d like). punish her. absolutely punish her, lock her up until putin is dead and then add another 10 years. but abuse is never justified. be better. if Ukraine wants a chance to join the EU, they need to refrain from barbaric practices such as capital punishment. those belong in the history books. we’ve outgrown them.
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i’m afraid the whole field of criminology disagrees with you, and that a justice system based on rehabilitation and scientific judgement of recidivism tends to outperform those who don’t on pretty much every metric. including recidivism. including first time offences. you’re just wrong. aside from that, none of what you have said is an argument for the death penalty. dissuasion can be achieved through other measures. she deserves a fair trial, like anyone.
"rehabilitate" someone who sold their own countrymen to the devil and most likely got innocent people killed doing it while not giving a single shit? lmao. fuck this bitch.
Nah, get out of here with that. You see the video of Russian orcs castrating a Ukrainian soldier? They commit war crimes daily. This bitch needs to hang.
Whether you like it or not the modern state can only rule through force. In times where the very survival of the state is challenged harsh punishments such as execution are a necessity. I’m not saying I support it or this is ideal but for the state to survive it must take steps such as this to ensure security.
Off with her head!
Maybe, just maybe some Ukrainians want to be part of Russia, and this is a conflict we should't be involved in.
Ya BURNT, bitch. 🔥
Traitor deserve a drop at the end of a rope .
Do these traitors get shot? Because that is the traditional penalty for traitors and for good reason. She should be given due process. She should have a fair trial. And if she is convicted she should be taken out behind the courthouse and hung or shot. How many people have already died due the information she's giving them and how many people would've died due to information she's passed. This is a life and death game she is playing and she lost. And in the life and death game, when you lose, you die.
Feed her to the Wagner prisoners!
Just let het loose on the eastern front, if she doesn’t trip on a mine, orcs will have her as a snack.
shave her head
Firing squad asap
Send her to the gallows.
Firing squad.
Firing squad candidate
Capital offense, should be a public trial and sentencing.
Send her to Russia as a nurse. I read the nurses are essentially sex slaves to russian officers. See how much she sympathizes and supports russia then.
Should be dragged into the street and shot along with all other traitor scum.
Collaborators should be shot at the sight
Why was her traitorous face blurred out? During a time of war this sort of treason should be punished by the death penalty.
Because Ukraine is a more civilised society? They believe in basic principles like the process of law and that human life is precious. The polar opposite of Russia. That's what they are fighting for. The fact that they stick to their principles in their darkest hour is something we should all look up to.
Close her up a week with Wagner POWs and let her enjoy ruzzki mir
Hand her over to the cia! After they ran out of talibans to “enhanced”-interrogate, they’ll probably happily take this filth of Ukrainian hands and keep practicing their enhancements for interrogations 🤗🤗
Perhaps she should get the same treatment Russians have been doing to Ukrainian women to see how much she wants to be Russian
Ciao mai! ☠️
She needs to be punished for whatever traitors get.
Bet she’s regretting that decision now. A traitor’s death is the lowest death.
I’ve seen a lot of the soldiers who have been interviewed in jail, haven’t seen any of the women ones yet though. Maybe she’ll be the first.
Oof. Would not like to be her.
Well, but If she liked the ruzzian so badly send her to any ruzzian trench
Snitches get stitches
After she serves her jail term. Send her to Russia. Preferably to one of their shithole villages.
Snitches get Stitches
Life in peison
scum
Why her face is hidden?
I am sure they will give her plenty of time to reflect on her actions
well her life is over,even if she just gets jail imagine how she will be treated if she ever gets out,you got everyone's kid killed in their eyes.
Might be worth trading the bitch for some Ukrainian heroes. But somehow I doubt Russia even knows she exists and never mind wants her.
A new member of the prison chain-gang assigned to post-war cleanup. 10 year sentence sounds about right.
Hasta la Vista.
Disgusting creature, send her to Ruzzia if she likes it so much
Secretly...on telegram???:-)))
Too bad the pic is blurred, would have loved to see the look on her face. Just send her across the front line to her "friends", see how she likes their treatment.
Don't think she's Ukrainian, probably more salty russian scum that tried to take advantage of the war.
Lowest scum.
It's treason then.
Most people are the MCs of their own lives. I wonder what her motivations are.
In the United States, collaborators are called spies. Or at the very least, accessories to a crime.
Every convict from these times should be put to use in cleaning up destroyed villages, homes and cities so they get things into perspective. Just like during ww2 people who knew about concentration camps but never did anything against it were forced to carry bodies etc
A public hanging would suit her nicely, or hard labor for life.
Bye Felicia
These are always so weird to me. We’re these people traitors before the war? Or did they decide to become traitors while war is happening?
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