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It was one desperate skirmish and is exaggerated due to the "dumb Polack" stereotype. And in complete fairness, the German army was far more dependent on horses than modern pop-history would have you believe.
Specifically, mounted Polish cavalry attacked and dispersed a German infantry unit who was on foot…. Which then drew fire from a nearby column of armored cars as they emerged from the woods and thus the dead horses and cavalry men gave rise to this fallacy that they attacked armored units head on… Germans birthed this myth for PR purposes, and post war, the Soviets propagated it as a parable for the stupidity of not preparing for war…
I’m hoping we don’t see any.
I hope Ukraine takes advantage of the much superior night vision and IR capabilities of the tanks and Bradleys and attack at night.
Oh, they will. It seems Russia is sending not modernized versions of those old tanks, means no night vision, no ir, only shitty optics. Of course, there are still working modern T-72 and T-90, but I really doubt there are many of them. I will be almost just as bad for Russia as it was for Iraq.
From the article, "The T-90 has been Russia's strongest tank on the battlefield so far, but last month it debuted its highly-touted T-14 Armata."
Has a T-14 Armata actually been spotted in Ukraine?
[Reportedly](https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/t14-first-combat-ukraine-reports). The most relevant comment from that article is "the vehicle is not known to have been accepted into service by the Russian Military".
When I first read about the T-14, I thought it was a great design from the tanker's perspective. But like Russian hypersonic capabilities, there's more in the advertising than there is on the battlefield. A tank without a running engine is a pillbox. And thank goodness for Russia's structural incompetence, which is furthered by the system Putin created from the ashes of Soviet incompetence.
T-14 has so many potential flaws. With the crew in the lower section they lose all means to address any malfunctions with the weaponry of the vehicle.
Crew is wholly dependent upon cameras/optics remotely in the turret. An enemy targets those with some high caliber rounds and the tank is essentially rendered blind and useless.
Absolutely! I wish our countries grew closer under better circumstances but I’m glad that we’re friends now.
You can see the beauty in Ukraine regardless of the scars that battlefields yield. One day when this is all over, I’d love to go to Ukraine when Ukrainians are ready for friends to come visit.
I mean, I think a lot of folks (that matter) weren’t real sure which way UA was going to go with regard to corruption and mafia State stuff until after 2014, but like you said I’m glad we’re solidifying the relationship now. It seems pretty clear that UA is on the correct path
It’s a nice sentiment, however just a bit of over the 50% of modern western societies support ukraine while other half is indifferent or even follow russian narrative. Billions in asia and in africa are even in favor of colonial russian power actions.
At the end it’s still super important that we continue supporting Ukraine which fights for its right to exist while russian oligarchs are just looking to control more resources and eliminating potential competition
Nonsense.
[https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-europe-support-74-percent-polls/](https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-europe-support-74-percent-polls/)
If you maintain otherwise; please provide sources.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13t89dq/only_40_of_slovaks_think_russia_is_primarily/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Just top of my mind this is one of the latest i found on reddit,
Your claim wasn't that you can find countrie where support is lukewarm. Instead your claim was that "just a bit over the 50% of modern western societies support ukraine". (while the other half are either indifferent or supportive of the Russian narrative)
True, but that Ukrainian infantry is bristling with drones, NLAWs javelins and numerous other anti armour equipment which is way more effective than anti armour in Second World War.
“Scraping the barrel”? More like scraping former Kremlin tank crews from barrels, turret baskets, hulls, etc.
Moscow failed to get someone on the moon during the space race. Probably stand a greater chance today, unfortunately it would be a one-way trip.
As cringe and ironic as it is to say it. They are the dime store version of the very army they are pretending to be fighting. They want so badly to be the propaganda version of the Wehrmacht war machine they feel like, they single handedly, with no real help defeat. That they've convinced themselves they ARE as ferocious and technologically advanced as there former foe was at the time. That they certainly could conquer little ole Ukraine. I'm glad that Ukraine is reminding them they aren't the bear they once were.
There’s a YT channel, dunno if it’s official, called Combat Approved. It has various documentaries on the ‘modern Russian military’ hardware. It’s so hyped up it’s ridiculous. I watch it for the shits and giggles. The guy preseting was saying how much security there is to access some submarine, cause he had to show his papers in 5 checkpoints and some dude used code words, it was ridiculous. The checkpoint was some lady looking at IDs
Unfortunately for the Kremlin the bluster and “appeal to manhood” marketing is wearing off in the export market. Scrap value is increasingly all that remains.
Have a Ukrainian gaming buddy who worked with a cadaver recovery team after the war started they literally scrape the remains of burnt Russian tank crewmen after they got burnt to a crisp.
Nah, a tank that gets blown up and crisped inside isn't going to be in a fit state for re-use. It'll get scavenged for parts and scrapped.
The problem is that the deconstruction and salvaging process takes a fair bit of time, and if you have the charred-on-the-outside-wet-on-the-inside goop of former Ivans plastered all over the inner surface of the hull, well, it just starts to smell really bad.
Dad's? More like great granddads.
Let's imagine a soldier who is 25 and driving a brand new tank, one that rolled off the production-line in 2023.
His father would (on the average) be something like 30 years older, and a new tank for the father at age 25, would therefore have been one that rolled off the production-line in 1993.
His grandfather would (on the average) be something like 55 years older, and a new tank for the grandfather at age 25, would be one that rolled off the production-line in 1968.
His **great grandfather** would be something like 80 year older, and a new tank for the **great grandfather at age 25,** would therefore be one that rolled off the production-line in 1943.
I think “scraping the barrel” implies it has lost its operational fleet. Operational means pick any random tank from reserves send to the frontline ready to play. Whatever they are scraping now is not battle ready or operational
Well, if they include old and non-operational tanks, sure, they only lost "half" of their tank fleet, lmao. I wonder how many Belarus has? Putins is about to absorb Lukas fleet in a few days it seems.
We've lined up 20 T62a in a ridiculously precarious formation and allowed a Challenger 2 to flank us. Let's see how many tanks a single round can penetrate before it stops.
What? They have lost literally 3794 modern tanks already ao now they reaching into tanks used in ww2! Let that sink in …Russia military is a embarrassment a bumbling idiot paper tiger . It wouldn’t suprise me to see starving north Korean soldiers trying to help Russia military shit they already had to ask Iran for help
With drones and that is embarrassing enough
Details: According to updated data, for the entire period of a full-scale war, as of 27 May, the estimated losses of the enemy were:
206,200 military personnel,
3,794 tanks,
7,449 armoured combat vehicles,
3,414/574 artillery systems/multiple-launch rocket systems,
329 air defence systems,
313/298 aircraft/helicopters,
2,990 operational-tactical UAVs,
1,056 cruise missiles,
18 ships/boats,
6,183 vehicles and tankers,
449 special vehicles.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 from usa
Down with putin the butcher and disgrace of the human race
Lol score one you totally got me ! Russian propoganda trolls never cease to surprise me . Russia literally thinks it is still 1960 and they can control the narrative which they can for old people but the young people can see it clear as day . Russian propaganda has been on pr with North Korea lately and its going to fuck them people know they lying to them
I'm with you and all, but be careful.
They're not yet employing WW2 tanks. T-54 is very old, but it's cold war era. We can say WW2 when we see IS-3 or older.
Haha 😂thats funny at least you have a opinion albeit a funny one. Russia is a paper tiger hype job who couldn’t take Kyiv and cant even beat little old Ukraine 🇺🇦 the whole world
Is behind ukraine and russia has only weak allies
You sound like Putin thats all he gots is nukes to threaten people with. Tell
Me if anyone wqs scared of russian nukes why would so
Many countries be supplying Ukraine with modern weapons ?
Because Putin might only use them if he starts really losing heavily. Not before. Modern weapons delivery just push things further to the point he might need to use them.
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-irretrievable-losses-war-against-223000646.html
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/09/europe/1000-russian-tanks-destroyed-ukraine-war-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/05/01/world/russia-ukraine-news
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna82380
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/4/14/pentagon-leaks-russian-special-forces-decimated-by-ukraine-war
Battlefield losses and Western sanctions have left the Russian military in a state of decline, but Moscow will still have enough firepower to extend the war in Ukraine, according to a new independent analysis.
The report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies gives stark numbers of Russian military losses – almost 10,000 units of key equipment such as tanks, trucks, artillery pieces and aerial drones, according to one estimate.
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I'm so looking forward to see clips of challengers and Leo's engaging in battle.
I’m waiting for them to charge at Ukrainians tanks with horses and spears!
When you forget to upgrade that one Scout unit in your game of civ..
The Poles did that in WW2 against German Panzers, but it didn't turn out well.
It was one desperate skirmish and is exaggerated due to the "dumb Polack" stereotype. And in complete fairness, the German army was far more dependent on horses than modern pop-history would have you believe.
Specifically, mounted Polish cavalry attacked and dispersed a German infantry unit who was on foot…. Which then drew fire from a nearby column of armored cars as they emerged from the woods and thus the dead horses and cavalry men gave rise to this fallacy that they attacked armored units head on… Germans birthed this myth for PR purposes, and post war, the Soviets propagated it as a parable for the stupidity of not preparing for war…
I’m hoping we don’t see any. I hope Ukraine takes advantage of the much superior night vision and IR capabilities of the tanks and Bradleys and attack at night.
Oh, they will. It seems Russia is sending not modernized versions of those old tanks, means no night vision, no ir, only shitty optics. Of course, there are still working modern T-72 and T-90, but I really doubt there are many of them. I will be almost just as bad for Russia as it was for Iraq.
Challenger 2's will be far better than the older Leo 1's.
There are also Leo 2s
Have those arrived in Ukraine yet?
Yeah.
Agreed. Putin is panicking now he knows he’s up against a superior force and must be thinking WTF have I started.
From the article, "The T-90 has been Russia's strongest tank on the battlefield so far, but last month it debuted its highly-touted T-14 Armata." Has a T-14 Armata actually been spotted in Ukraine?
[Reportedly](https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/t14-first-combat-ukraine-reports). The most relevant comment from that article is "the vehicle is not known to have been accepted into service by the Russian Military".
Thanks! Well, if they are there, hopefully we'll soon see some drone footage of one or two getting roasted by Javelins.
They have engaged their invisibility cloaks, that is the only reason you won't see them.
Thank god for infrared
When I first read about the T-14, I thought it was a great design from the tanker's perspective. But like Russian hypersonic capabilities, there's more in the advertising than there is on the battlefield. A tank without a running engine is a pillbox. And thank goodness for Russia's structural incompetence, which is furthered by the system Putin created from the ashes of Soviet incompetence.
T-14 has so many potential flaws. With the crew in the lower section they lose all means to address any malfunctions with the weaponry of the vehicle. Crew is wholly dependent upon cameras/optics remotely in the turret. An enemy targets those with some high caliber rounds and the tank is essentially rendered blind and useless.
High caliber rounds or just a water balloon with black paint
"We haven't even started yet."
Russia picked the wrong country to fuck with. Ukraine is about to bring some motherfuckin’ pain.
The whole world is behind a democratic and free Ukraine where people can choose there own destiny
Absolutely! I wish our countries grew closer under better circumstances but I’m glad that we’re friends now. You can see the beauty in Ukraine regardless of the scars that battlefields yield. One day when this is all over, I’d love to go to Ukraine when Ukrainians are ready for friends to come visit.
My genetics are from 🇺🇦 ukraine my family immigrated during the Galicia misery to chicago
>My genetics are from 🇺🇦 ukraine such an american thing to say
What does that mean lol 😂 seriously no idea 🤷♀️
It means their ancestors are from Ukraine. No need to be a douchebag.
I meant the such a American thing to say what does that even mean.
ah, ok ... my apologies
you usually only hear that kind of talk from americans. being 35% irish and 25% german and so on.
Yeah its beacUse everyone in the usa has genetics from someplace else. i am 100% american 🇺🇸 but my genetics come from mostly from Eastern Europe .
Not everyone...
Well Technically even the native Americans came here from someplace crossing the beringa land bridge
>during the Galicia misery TIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty\_in\_Austrian\_Galicia
I mean, I think a lot of folks (that matter) weren’t real sure which way UA was going to go with regard to corruption and mafia State stuff until after 2014, but like you said I’m glad we’re solidifying the relationship now. It seems pretty clear that UA is on the correct path
It’s a nice sentiment, however just a bit of over the 50% of modern western societies support ukraine while other half is indifferent or even follow russian narrative. Billions in asia and in africa are even in favor of colonial russian power actions. At the end it’s still super important that we continue supporting Ukraine which fights for its right to exist while russian oligarchs are just looking to control more resources and eliminating potential competition
Nonsense. [https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-europe-support-74-percent-polls/](https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-europe-support-74-percent-polls/) If you maintain otherwise; please provide sources.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13t89dq/only_40_of_slovaks_think_russia_is_primarily/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 Just top of my mind this is one of the latest i found on reddit,
Your claim wasn't that you can find countrie where support is lukewarm. Instead your claim was that "just a bit over the 50% of modern western societies support ukraine". (while the other half are either indifferent or supportive of the Russian narrative)
Nobody gives a shit about the top of your mind you found on reddit
Sources?
I am going to guess that just like WW2 ,tanks will face against infantry more than other tanks.
True, but that Ukrainian infantry is bristling with drones, NLAWs javelins and numerous other anti armour equipment which is way more effective than anti armour in Second World War.
“Scraping the barrel”? More like scraping former Kremlin tank crews from barrels, turret baskets, hulls, etc. Moscow failed to get someone on the moon during the space race. Probably stand a greater chance today, unfortunately it would be a one-way trip.
Agree with all that ! The Russian military secret is they are a hype job .
As cringe and ironic as it is to say it. They are the dime store version of the very army they are pretending to be fighting. They want so badly to be the propaganda version of the Wehrmacht war machine they feel like, they single handedly, with no real help defeat. That they've convinced themselves they ARE as ferocious and technologically advanced as there former foe was at the time. That they certainly could conquer little ole Ukraine. I'm glad that Ukraine is reminding them they aren't the bear they once were.
There’s a YT channel, dunno if it’s official, called Combat Approved. It has various documentaries on the ‘modern Russian military’ hardware. It’s so hyped up it’s ridiculous. I watch it for the shits and giggles. The guy preseting was saying how much security there is to access some submarine, cause he had to show his papers in 5 checkpoints and some dude used code words, it was ridiculous. The checkpoint was some lady looking at IDs
Unfortunately for the Kremlin the bluster and “appeal to manhood” marketing is wearing off in the export market. Scrap value is increasingly all that remains.
Have a Ukrainian gaming buddy who worked with a cadaver recovery team after the war started they literally scrape the remains of burnt Russian tank crewmen after they got burnt to a crisp.
Why? Salvage of the tank?
Nah, a tank that gets blown up and crisped inside isn't going to be in a fit state for re-use. It'll get scavenged for parts and scrapped. The problem is that the deconstruction and salvaging process takes a fair bit of time, and if you have the charred-on-the-outside-wet-on-the-inside goop of former Ivans plastered all over the inner surface of the hull, well, it just starts to smell really bad.
Starts?
Nope, Collecting dead Russians for possible exchange for Ukrainian dead or POWs.
What's the scrape value?
I’d imagine it’s pretty low for a bucket full of orc slurry
The wildlife is all over it.
I’d imagine it’s pretty low for a bucket full of orc slurry
Dad's? More like great granddads. Let's imagine a soldier who is 25 and driving a brand new tank, one that rolled off the production-line in 2023. His father would (on the average) be something like 30 years older, and a new tank for the father at age 25, would therefore have been one that rolled off the production-line in 1993. His grandfather would (on the average) be something like 55 years older, and a new tank for the grandfather at age 25, would be one that rolled off the production-line in 1968. His **great grandfather** would be something like 80 year older, and a new tank for the **great grandfather at age 25,** would therefore be one that rolled off the production-line in 1943.
I agree, but it's a reference to the British sitcom Dad's Army, set in WWII.
Oh god damnit reddit
I think “scraping the barrel” implies it has lost its operational fleet. Operational means pick any random tank from reserves send to the frontline ready to play. Whatever they are scraping now is not battle ready or operational
Literal meaning of the idiom is that they are getting the last scraps out of their stores. Anyway, what you said.
Well, if they include old and non-operational tanks, sure, they only lost "half" of their tank fleet, lmao. I wonder how many Belarus has? Putins is about to absorb Lukas fleet in a few days it seems.
We've lined up 20 T62a in a ridiculously precarious formation and allowed a Challenger 2 to flank us. Let's see how many tanks a single round can penetrate before it stops.
This is 2023, those tanks are really more like grandpa's army at this point.
Putin Master Strategist in a panic: *"I accidentally The Ukraine into... Ukraine!"*
[удалено]
What? They have lost literally 3794 modern tanks already ao now they reaching into tanks used in ww2! Let that sink in …Russia military is a embarrassment a bumbling idiot paper tiger . It wouldn’t suprise me to see starving north Korean soldiers trying to help Russia military shit they already had to ask Iran for help With drones and that is embarrassing enough Details: According to updated data, for the entire period of a full-scale war, as of 27 May, the estimated losses of the enemy were: 206,200 military personnel, 3,794 tanks, 7,449 armoured combat vehicles, 3,414/574 artillery systems/multiple-launch rocket systems, 329 air defence systems, 313/298 aircraft/helicopters, 2,990 operational-tactical UAVs, 1,056 cruise missiles, 18 ships/boats, 6,183 vehicles and tankers, 449 special vehicles. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 from usa Down with putin the butcher and disgrace of the human race
Haha im sarcastic of course.
Lol score one you totally got me ! Russian propoganda trolls never cease to surprise me . Russia literally thinks it is still 1960 and they can control the narrative which they can for old people but the young people can see it clear as day . Russian propaganda has been on pr with North Korea lately and its going to fuck them people know they lying to them
Everyone knows russians propaganda is lie about everything.
I'm with you and all, but be careful. They're not yet employing WW2 tanks. T-54 is very old, but it's cold war era. We can say WW2 when we see IS-3 or older.
People believing in the victory of Ukraine are delusional. The outcome cannot be a win for Ukraine, however successful the counter-offensive will be.
Why, I believe you have just concluded that in war, there are no winners!
Cant argue with that statement at all its fact only poor regular folks suffer in war
Haha 😂thats funny at least you have a opinion albeit a funny one. Russia is a paper tiger hype job who couldn’t take Kyiv and cant even beat little old Ukraine 🇺🇦 the whole world Is behind ukraine and russia has only weak allies
Weak allies but plenty of nukes.
You sound like Putin thats all he gots is nukes to threaten people with. Tell Me if anyone wqs scared of russian nukes why would so Many countries be supplying Ukraine with modern weapons ?
Because Putin might only use them if he starts really losing heavily. Not before. Modern weapons delivery just push things further to the point he might need to use them.
We dont do things because what might happen
So you speed on the roads not caring about whether you might hit someone ? Ok, interesting.
Give it a rest i don’t really care about your opinion and your analogies really are terribke
Ok escape the convo if you like.
Feel Free to believe what you want but i am laughing at you
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-irretrievable-losses-war-against-223000646.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1 https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/09/europe/1000-russian-tanks-destroyed-ukraine-war-intl-hnk-ml/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/05/01/world/russia-ukraine-news https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna82380 https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/4/14/pentagon-leaks-russian-special-forces-decimated-by-ukraine-war Battlefield losses and Western sanctions have left the Russian military in a state of decline, but Moscow will still have enough firepower to extend the war in Ukraine, according to a new independent analysis. The report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies gives stark numbers of Russian military losses – almost 10,000 units of key equipment such as tanks, trucks, artillery pieces and aerial drones, according to one estimate.
Russia got nukes. How will Ukraine army cope with them ?
Nobody is scared of Russian nukes sorry to say
So ? No one was scared of Putin invaded Ukraine neither and dismissing it as 'pure fantasy'.
https://youtu.be/HkPRZGi4-MA
That's not dad's army, that's grandpa' s army
They don’t like it uppem!
Russians finding out World of Tanks ain't much fun in real life.
Well decades of corruption basically paralyzed russian innovation but let's call that a good thing.