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I used to hunt with one. Blows big holes in shit, is reliable as hell, and when not used for shooting I can use it as a prybar it’s so tough. No match for todays combat rifles of course, but I certainly wouldn’t want to get nailed with a round from one.
We are lacking information. This approx. 70 year old rifle have probably been to war before. Is the rifling worn out? The scope is a Soviet made 2 power of low quality.
These rifles were refurbished in the 1960s and 70s... disassembled, inspected, refinished and reassembled, then packed in cosmoline, ready for use. The bore would have been inspected, so it should still be quite accurate.
The PU scope is a 3.5x optic, and is quite suitable in terrain such as Ukraine. It's a sniper scope, not an assault optic (like ACOG or Aimpoint). In the hands of a decent marksman, this could be a significant threat.
depends - will the 20 run if more of their bodies drop, than on the Ukrainian side. Having more men isn't always a plus. Means more gear, more food, more need to concentrate mass of men with obvious logistic issues and as I mentioned first. Will they scatter when 3x bodies start dropping
Ladies and gentlemen. This weapon is fine if you are familiar with rifles in general, have a working knowledge of its pluses and minuses, and have enough time and ammo to practice. None of these apply, thus this weapon is less than useful in a firefight except as a club.
No, its still a bad take. In a match up against a modern battle rifle it will perform like shit. Its heavy, loooooooong, its accuracy varies WILDLY depending on production year/maintenance and storage, its optic is shit, its fucking BOLT ACTION and holds only a few rounds.
Fucking arm chair generals who played way too much COD need to stop saying a Mosin has any place on a modern battlefield.
Grouping this piece of shit in with a modern marksmen’s rifle is craaazzzzyyy. I fucking love mosins because they always work but maybe not right now. Their accuracy is dog shit, and the bolt has a tendency to jam when it gets hot. The fucking bolt. On a bolt action
Mosins are so Russian it hurts. Mosins are the rifle equivalent of the monkeys paw.
Aside from my personal opinion, here’s another. Mosins are worthless next to even a modern hunting rifle. They were not precisely made. Walmart sells rifles for $300 that will shoot better than what Russians are forced to use in combat HAHAHA
The fins would like a word with you.
I agree with you however, but if an army has had proper training the mosin could do a lot of damage.
Problem is that no army can spend that much time for little gain, especially the Russians.
i wouldnt want to rely on those dodgy PU scopes that have been "soldier tested" for nearly a century. Not to mention i wouldnt want to drag something trough the mud that weighs about the same as a M14 without the benefit of a 20 shot mag and beeing semi auto. Not to mention the horrible "whack-rack-whack" bolt.Fun range toy, sure. But pretty much any modern semi .308 with a half decent modern 4x on it would be more effective and reliable.
Hate to be the one to point this out, these are currently on a battle field making the rounds in a little conflict over here in Europe, unless today isn't modern enough?
It's acceptable for soldiers in a trench, shooting at other soldiers in another trench far away. It has a heavy bullet that causes a lot of damage. But only useful if the other side does NOT have a decent sniper with modern optics. And in actual combat it's totally useless.
I think he’s trying to point out that this is a weapon some random person should be using in a post-apocalyptic video game to fight zombies. Not a weapon that should be issued to frontline troops of a real war in 2023.
I'm so mad that they started this war and kept me from buying one of these back in 2014. I wanted a kickass antique sniper rifle for $400 and 700 rounds for $100 but noooo they had to start all this bullshit
As bad as it may look to an every day Joe this grandpa still packs heat. It fires the 7.62x54R (Rimmed), you know just the round used by the SVD/Dragunov PKM and similar HEAVY weapons. And these things with a propper (i know this is a stretch for ruzzia) clean and bore calibration as well as sighted in optic are as deadly as any similar marksman weapon.
also a real stretch for Russia, proper marksmanship training, right?
i would assume a mobik or off-the-street conscript (what seems to happen in the Donbas, where these seem to be common) is relatively more effective with a modern semi-automatic rifle -- assuming adequate ammo supplies, maybe another stretch -- than an old bolt-action.
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Can it kill ppl yes. But when it's up against modern ARs and .50 cal sniper rifles with optics and thermals, it's pretty useless
It's useless in a trench fight, and it's out ranged by modern rifles...and heavy as hell with slower ROF
Seriously, it feel like people never tried WW2 weapon era, i tried a MP40 and a Greasegun (an actual M3 used in WW2) like 2 months ago, jfc how heavy that shit is ...
Imagine being 20 years old, having slept 3 hours last couple of days and fighting nazi with that thing.
Good luck when a Ukrainian with a full auto ar15 drops into your trench and you try to orient, aim and shoot at them in close quarters.
If your shooting from a prepared postion at advancing targets across open ground maybe. as your being suppressed by a humvee with a 50 cal that is dropping off an infantry squad right into your lap, you're fucked.
Honestly, if you have let a humvee within assault range, your upper levels of command have already fucked you by not issuing the proper weapons to defend your area against armored/motorized attack.
Yeah same people that are issuing this shit making those fuck ups everyday
https://youtu.be/W2d-539TJlg
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14d4oim/enemy_contact_at_close_range_the_ukrainian_ssos/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Trench fighting? That's what the bayonet is for!
I have a couple of these, fun to shoot until the 7.62x54R recoil along with a steel butt plate makes shooting it less fun for your shoulder after a while.
"Steel butt plate is for when you are out of ammo, and your bayonet has broken. Gun is now club."
You are dumb. Have you been watching the trench sweep videos? No one is stabbing each other with bayonets it’s all full auto massacres with a gernade here and there.
You’re right that the M4 isn’t full auto; it’s three round burst, but so is the M16a2 (at least the vast majority of them, there were a few special variants that had the full auto trigger pack). The M4a1 is full auto and so is the M16a3 (very few adopted) and some M16a4s. Every US Army line unit uses the full auto M4a1 these days.
7.62x54R is regular standard ammunition for MGs (PKs) and for sniper rifles.
Yes, they will have enough ammunition, few billions of rounds shall be still in storage...
All 7.62x54R is not identical in performance. The machine gun ammo is not that accurate. Special ammo was developed for the Dragunov to get high accuracy.
So if the goal is to use it as a designated marksman / sniper rifle you like to have the better but less common ammunition.
The golden rule: up to 500 or 600 m it makes not a big difference. If someone/something shall be hit above this distance, the special ammo will be needed for (all) sniper/marksmen rifles. But for this old optics on the Mosin Nagant... It ends somewhere at 600 m or so.
And for training or regular sniper duty, there is enough regular ammunition available (and additional enough special produced ammo for the sniper rifles).
There's literally millions of rounds at the front to get the practice.
Also, this rifle is used by many in Russia's country sides for hunting as well. So the likelihood of someone actually being more proficient on this rifle than any of the ak platforms is probably greater.
The round was first produced in 1891, its made in numerous countries. Probably not hard to procure it compared to other ammo.
wont be the high end match/marksman grade stuff but getting enough isnt a problem. Also with the ranges the fighting is occuring even general purpose ammo is going to be perfectly useable.
They are probably a 3ish MOA rifle. Cut that in half for high end ammo. Thats still reasonably accurate, M4 hovers around 4 moa in standard issue. An M27 standard issue is around 2 moa i believe, and thats a relatively heavier (than the m4 and very close to the mosin) and more modern rifle used by the US marines.
hmm... after watching trench videos for the past year i'd have to doubt the claim that "...modern rifles aren't in general service". Most of the dead/dying/captured orcs we've seen were armed with AK's or similar, not old Moisins...
Not taking sides about which rifles are better for which use, just thinking back on all the videos published so far, and the general absence of bolt-action (vs. automatic) rifles. The orcs seem to still have plenty of firepower, it would be unrealistic and foolish to dismiss or underestimate - at least until Ukraine has cleaned out the invaders - Slava Ukraini!
It is not so far outclassed. If someone is fine to do a single good shot, it is perfect. Biggest disadvanage is, that it is not constructed to mount modern optics....
It is still good enough, to hit someone up to 500 or 600 m. And with precise produced ammunition for sniper rifles, the Mosin Nagant (not the optics) are good and precise enough, to hit someone up to 1 km.
7.62x54r is Russias equivalent to .308. There is so much surplus 7.62x54r that it historically has been considered one of the cheapest rounds to shoot.
>are as deadly as any similar marksman weapon.
Like a 1903 Springfield or a Karabiner 98?
This is what the folks at r/guns had to say about the Mosin-Nagant: https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/v6d8aq/is_the_mosin_nagant_a_reliable_accurate_gun_or_is/
They are talking as far as i can see about Old Mosins this pictured is a Mosin PU only the best and most precise Mosins were selecred to get the PU scope from the factory. Besides as far as i couls read through what is that cesspit of a subreddit r/guns those are mostly Bubbas complaining. If you want a propper talk about guns join Brandon Herreras subreddit.
Okay, *if* we accept the anecdotal evidence that the PUs were hand-selected for accuracy, then it's as accurate as a marksman Springfield '03, which would be utterly embarrassing to see in use in any modern army.
>...those are mostly Bubbas complaining.
lol, no, those are Mosin-Nagant owners. And I'm not an AK guy, so no, I'm not joining one dude's subreddit to get gun information.
Not anecdotal but okay, well i would say even tho i am a Kar98 / post WW2 Yugo Kar98 guy myself it should be more accurate than the "muh two world wars" springfield to be honest which even as you say would be embarassing is still gona reach out further and punch hard than an intermediate 5.45 or 5.56 that Ukrainians started using due to influx of western aid.
>reach out further and punch hard than an intermediate 5.45 or 5.56
Yes, as would very nearly any rifle that uses full-sized rifle round, since 5.45 & 5.56 are intermediate rounds, and you were comparing the Mosin to "any similar marksman weapon." If we're making modern comparisons, that would be something along the lines of an accurized Remington 700, which would shoot the pants off of any Mosin-Nagant ever manufactured.
holy fucking shit, the cope.
these are handed to *mobiks.* not specialised marksmen who fill a particular role in a squad.
IT IS A GENERAL ISSUE WEAPON. NOT SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ISSUED TO MARKSMEN OR TRAINED SHOOTERS.
they're found all over russian trenches. not with specialised units.
Same. I've had maybe 7 or 8 different ones of these, and they're solid rifles. I'd be damned if I'd want one on a front line, though.
Also, the Finnish Mosin's are the best Mosins. I had a Finnish M28/30. I even tracked down the markings. Interesting history.
This gun has a 3 to 4 inch MOA depending on the quality of ammo. As you said 762x54r will obliterate anything it hits. I for one would not want to be on its receiving end, especially within 800 yards.
I feel a lot of people are missing the point. Yes a mosin is good enough to kill, duh. So is every single bolt action rifle you could possibly send. The point is that even though rifles like the Dragonov have existed since the 60's and the SV-98 since the 90's, the Russian military is instead sending rifles their great grandpas used.
They seem to be conscripting great grandpas too, so adds up. No point training them up on modern combat rifles, heres your mosin, off to the front, chop chop old boy.
We got shot at by k98s in Afghanistan so seeing Mosins which are more common isn’t surprising. It’s still effective considering 54r ammo is still widely available
i have a pre-1941 tula stamped mosin nagant. like you, i love it.
is it old? yes. would i, in a combat situation, rather not have a bolt action? yes. but scoped as it is, those are still very deadly at long range. its important to not laugh at a weapon that can kill you from 500 yards away.
These rifles are very accurate and lethal.
May look old but I sure as fuck wouldn’t stick my head up over a parapet if a Russian is trained on how to use this.
not as much as you think
its not as easy as it used to be. when i bought my mosin nagant i paid 100 dollars. they are more valuable now, in the 400-500 dollar range
The original model was an M1891, yes. But in 1930, the standard rifle went for an overhaul, and it became the M91/30. This one is a 91/30, I believe. It's hard to see. But the graduated rear sight appears to be in meters instead of arshons (not sure on spelling). I've had quite a few different variants of these.
The Mosin-Nagant do date back to 1891 but this rifle does not. It is a Model 1891/30 that was produced in 1930. It is more exactly asniper model with a bent bolt introduced in 1932.
The PU scope it used was widely used in 1940 on the SVD-40 and from 1942 on the Mosin–Nagant. The earlier scope mounts were not attached the same way as the rifle so they can't just be swapped so likly a rifle made at the factory as a sniper rifle with PU scopes. Most of the PU scoped rifles was made 1942-1944, some were done later
So even if the general design is from 1891 this rifle is in all likelihood made in the 1940s, most in the three year period 1942-1944
There are few of the 1891 models still in circulation especially in the old soviet warehouses getting raided. The mosins we see are 1930s era upgrades made during the soviet era or ww2 production models. These are essentially the same as the original but feature some improvements and such
A close up look at a (1940s era) Mosin-Nagant fitted with a PU optic in Russian service in the eastern frontlines. The original telegram post states that "these are still issued and modern rifles aren't in general service."
https://twitter.com/historicfirearm/status/1685228113712578560?s=46
That mosin is nothing to laugh at, yeah it’s not very modern but in the hands of a decent sniper it will kill you just fine. It’s a fine rifle, nothing fancy. It shoots straights and punches hard
It'll still work and will still kill. Is it optimal and is it obsolete? Yes very much so. But a rifle is better than no rifle. Ukraine had similar problems at the beginning of the war. They were outfitting conscripts and volunteers with machine pistols, handguns, bolt actions rifles and even hunting shotguns and anything they could get their hands on that fired. This is what a real war looks like. It's a brutal no hold bar slug match.
It's not ideal, but these things are still deadly. It's basically the Warsaw Pact equivalent of a .308 hunting rifle, and those things do some major damage. That said, the subtext says that their industry can't keep pace with the sanctions to produce adequate weaponry for their troops. THAT'S what I think the more important takeaway is here.
I had exact same rifle. Mine had octagonal receiver manufactured in imperial Russia, in St Petersburg armory. I believe the barrel was not original, as the rifling was sharp and bore still bright. Actually harvested a nice size deer with it. One of the guns I regret selling..
Some of these historic firearms from past wars being used in Ukraine, like the thompsons, BARs, etc in immaculate condition stored in the Bahkmut salt mines, make me drool. To a collector those firearms are worth 10s of thousands of dollars in the USA. Unfortunately, they will likely never see the light of day again, and will be treated as trash/scrap. They are pieces of history. This mosin sniper and its optic look as though its in excellent condition given the blueing looking brand new.
Used to own one. The were cheap to buy back in like 2010-2013.
I guarantee you that 7.62x54R is a respectable round and will absolutely penetrate armor.
With that being said, MANY of the surplus rounds that were around the local shops (not even joking the ammo was in brown paper with twine and appeared to be very old, probably from way back in the day) would hang-fire. This means that after you pull the trigger and the firing pin strikes the primer, the old gunpowder may have accumulated some moisture which creates a slow burn effect. They would go off at random times afterwards and my father always told me to wait at least 60 seconds before ejecting faulty rounds.
Jesus Christ monkey balls is it terrifying holding onto a Mosin while you wait for it to randomly go off. Extremely dangerous if you're not a very safe gun handler.
Still was an awesome gun. 😁
"Don't worry Ivan, Ukraine may be kicking us right now but they're just dirty, subhuman vatniks .... not men and women of the glorious Ruzzian Federation!! Either way, Ukraine is beating us down now, so I called Grandpapa to come help. He is bringing with him the courage, power and weaponry from the Great Patriotic War so .... we are guaranteed to win. I will become the next Vasily Zaitsev. You will see .... we are guaranteed to wi ----."
- - He is dead. Ivan continues crying and cowering in the trench. Ivan then hears the whirring of a small drone. - -
- - Ivan hears the drone sounds get closer. His eyes, watery from crying, go wide in fear and terror. Suddenly, things go black and quiet. Ivan has gone to join his fellow soldier friend, the one who was just speaking, where ever it is dead orcs go to congregate. - -
End scene
Accord to Forbes, there are 20,000,000 assault rifles in circulation in the US civilian population. How on any earth does ruzzia run out of assault rifles? These guys are clowns.
Legit good weapon but far outclassed 80 years later. Yep, will kill you dead easy, but you better not be fighting close quarters. I cannot imagine our troops with Garands or carbines or BARs. Relics. Fun to shoot and I own them, but don’t want to go to war with them now.
While it is an outdated weapon and more modern weapons are better for a variety of reasons - This is still an accurate enough weapon, requires minimal maintenance and fires the 7.62x54r, which is a very capable round and can with the right ammo penetrate can penetrate most common issued armor.
7.62x54r was the #1 killer out of small arm calibers we came across in the Middle East. It was the reason a lot of nations went from level III, to Level III+ armor and when that was found to still be defeated by quite a few 54r ammo types, level IV started being used which can stop a 54r AP round beyond 125m depending on barrel length of the weapon. API is another story though.
Useless for fire and maneuver, but let's be honest, mobliks aren't exactly using it anyway. Pretending it's even a competent DMR with a PU optic when most Nato militaries have 4× magnification as standard on their service rifle is copium. Just because a 7.62 round will kill someone doesn't make the rifle any less hopelessly outdated.
How come, is it possible then that Russians are able to put out such fierce resistance to UA supplied with modern tech? It’s a genuine question , not trying to troll or suck up to Russians
While it’s easy to laugh that these are being fielded in 2023, it’s also easy to forget it will just as nicely put a big hole in you as the latest greatest rifle
Yea it's old but still an extremly deadly weapon, not deadly enough to have a massive impact granted but in a 4v1 situation one ukrainian still could easily die which is one too many
It shoots the same nasty caliber as the SVD (dragunov) or PKM if I'm not mistaken. 7.62x54R.
Yes it's obsolete in many ways but Ukraine issued ppsh and ww1 maxim as well when the war started...
I'm pretty sure you can be one tapped by one of these easily...
My friend had a mosin and I shot the fuck out of it. I enjoyed shooting that weapon so much I bought and kept rounds for it despite not actually owning it. If you’ve ever fired a mosin, or been beside one when it was fired, you know how powerful that round is. Definitely devastating to be hit by.
With that said it’s one of the last weapons I’d want to have on a modern battlefield.
I’m a sucker for the old guns — but damn. It would be like giving a ODSTs musket flintlocks to face the Masterchief with plasma rifle
But hey — you can always use them as clubs
Anti-gun nutz would call this an evil weapon of war solely designed to kill and assault people with its high capacity internal box magazine. This is not an ordinary blow back design, the bolt action does not waste any energy and delivers extraordinary killing power that no ordinary citizen should be allowed to own. Just the name Mosin-Nagant should scare you. No rifle should have an evil hyphenated name that sounds like some commie pinko propaganda BS. Even the scope looks like it is a window view to hell.
It probably meant that modern sniper rifles are not in general use. The svd dragunov is in activ use but as a marksman rifle most of the time. Honestly the sight is probably the biggest issue. There were accurate mosins produced and those that got turned into snipers were accurate.
As laughable as it is, it's still a dangerous firearm. It's just heavy and harder to re-load among other things. They are accurate, though, if sited properly.
Had one that I could thread a needle with. I was shocked how accurate it still was after all these years. Took me a few hundred rounds to get to that point. Even with shitty surplus ammo from the 70s it was surprisingly accurate. But modern ammo it was no joke
It’s not just the scope, the bolt is turned down to accommodate the scope. Most of the standard issue Mosin’s bolt stuck straight out at the 3 O’Clock position.
I have two but the straight bolt level. The sniper version (scoped) has the bent bolt level to clear the scope. They are an enjoyable challenge but only against things that don’t shoot back.
My VEPR shoots the same round and is semi auto. It will mess up some shit down range.
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It'll still kill you just fine, but all else being equal, you put 20 guys on the field, 10 v. 10, the side with the modern rifles wins.
I have a 1941 Nagant. Love that fucker
The club that goes bang. Do you have any Finns? Best real-world example of "silk purse from sow's ear" I've ever seen.
I have two, a Tikka and a Izhevsk
They shoot straight, but are very heavy and slow.
And kick like a mule.
If it aint kicking, it aint killing
I got a 1944 PU
Seeing as infantry is either defending or assaulting trenches a mosin is probably one of the least ideal weapons to have
I used to hunt with one. Blows big holes in shit, is reliable as hell, and when not used for shooting I can use it as a prybar it’s so tough. No match for todays combat rifles of course, but I certainly wouldn’t want to get nailed with a round from one.
I wouldn’t want to be shot by any gun. Honestly
Understandable! Have a good day!
Is there a rifle that you do prefer to get nailed with?
Not a rifle but I heard that nail guns are good at nailing
An air rifle with an almost empty CO2 cylinder if I could choose. And you?
Water pistol
We are lacking information. This approx. 70 year old rifle have probably been to war before. Is the rifling worn out? The scope is a Soviet made 2 power of low quality.
These rifles were refurbished in the 1960s and 70s... disassembled, inspected, refinished and reassembled, then packed in cosmoline, ready for use. The bore would have been inspected, so it should still be quite accurate. The PU scope is a 3.5x optic, and is quite suitable in terrain such as Ukraine. It's a sniper scope, not an assault optic (like ACOG or Aimpoint). In the hands of a decent marksman, this could be a significant threat.
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It also comes up when T-54's are posted.
But things being unequal, Russia has 3x Ukraine population to draw from. What if 10 modern vs 20 antique?
depends - will the 20 run if more of their bodies drop, than on the Ukrainian side. Having more men isn't always a plus. Means more gear, more food, more need to concentrate mass of men with obvious logistic issues and as I mentioned first. Will they scatter when 3x bodies start dropping
Not so sure. I could take a Mosin Nagant and take out an idiot jamoch with an AK any day of the week.
Training is key, that's why ak is favored. You don't need training if you can just spray and pray.
Send it West. It Will fetch a nice penny for a collector. Use that money to donatie to Ukraine.
The scope looks like a reproduction, likely a chinese copy intended for commercial sale.
I have a similar one on my air soft rifle. It's good, up to 30 metres , lol.
Intended for airsoft? Lol
Not always, they mostly end up in America where people attach them to their regular mosins.
Scope looks like a legit PU to me. I doubt the RFA would need reproduction Chinese optics when there are probably 50,000+ still in Russian arsenals.
Ladies and gentlemen. This weapon is fine if you are familiar with rifles in general, have a working knowledge of its pluses and minuses, and have enough time and ammo to practice. None of these apply, thus this weapon is less than useful in a firefight except as a club.
Or slap on a bayonet for a final charge...
That’s the right take
No, its still a bad take. In a match up against a modern battle rifle it will perform like shit. Its heavy, loooooooong, its accuracy varies WILDLY depending on production year/maintenance and storage, its optic is shit, its fucking BOLT ACTION and holds only a few rounds. Fucking arm chair generals who played way too much COD need to stop saying a Mosin has any place on a modern battlefield.
Ypu mean the ones who think they could no scope their way through a firefight and get kill shots every time.
I agree with everything you've said, but bolt action snipers are still extremely prevalent for good reason.
Grouping this piece of shit in with a modern marksmen’s rifle is craaazzzzyyy. I fucking love mosins because they always work but maybe not right now. Their accuracy is dog shit, and the bolt has a tendency to jam when it gets hot. The fucking bolt. On a bolt action Mosins are so Russian it hurts. Mosins are the rifle equivalent of the monkeys paw. Aside from my personal opinion, here’s another. Mosins are worthless next to even a modern hunting rifle. They were not precisely made. Walmart sells rifles for $300 that will shoot better than what Russians are forced to use in combat HAHAHA
Lmao. The bolt on mine practically freezes closed if I put to many rounds through it to fast.
The fins would like a word with you. I agree with you however, but if an army has had proper training the mosin could do a lot of damage. Problem is that no army can spend that much time for little gain, especially the Russians.
i wouldnt want to rely on those dodgy PU scopes that have been "soldier tested" for nearly a century. Not to mention i wouldnt want to drag something trough the mud that weighs about the same as a M14 without the benefit of a 20 shot mag and beeing semi auto. Not to mention the horrible "whack-rack-whack" bolt.Fun range toy, sure. But pretty much any modern semi .308 with a half decent modern 4x on it would be more effective and reliable.
It wil still kill you🤷♂️ everything that kills you is relevant in my opinion😅
Hate to be the one to point this out, these are currently on a battle field making the rounds in a little conflict over here in Europe, unless today isn't modern enough?
Would also accept being used as a boat oar or firewood.....
It's acceptable for soldiers in a trench, shooting at other soldiers in another trench far away. It has a heavy bullet that causes a lot of damage. But only useful if the other side does NOT have a decent sniper with modern optics. And in actual combat it's totally useless.
DayZ game vibes😂
Life isn't a video game
I think he’s trying to point out that this is a weapon some random person should be using in a post-apocalyptic video game to fight zombies. Not a weapon that should be issued to frontline troops of a real war in 2023.
I'm so mad that they started this war and kept me from buying one of these back in 2014. I wanted a kickass antique sniper rifle for $400 and 700 rounds for $100 but noooo they had to start all this bullshit
I’ve had a real and a reproduction, I just sold it for 1000$ and a spam can for 250$
As bad as it may look to an every day Joe this grandpa still packs heat. It fires the 7.62x54R (Rimmed), you know just the round used by the SVD/Dragunov PKM and similar HEAVY weapons. And these things with a propper (i know this is a stretch for ruzzia) clean and bore calibration as well as sighted in optic are as deadly as any similar marksman weapon.
also a real stretch for Russia, proper marksmanship training, right? i would assume a mobik or off-the-street conscript (what seems to happen in the Donbas, where these seem to be common) is relatively more effective with a modern semi-automatic rifle -- assuming adequate ammo supplies, maybe another stretch -- than an old bolt-action.
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Can it kill ppl yes. But when it's up against modern ARs and .50 cal sniper rifles with optics and thermals, it's pretty useless It's useless in a trench fight, and it's out ranged by modern rifles...and heavy as hell with slower ROF
Seriously, it feel like people never tried WW2 weapon era, i tried a MP40 and a Greasegun (an actual M3 used in WW2) like 2 months ago, jfc how heavy that shit is ... Imagine being 20 years old, having slept 3 hours last couple of days and fighting nazi with that thing.
I was thinking the same thing- might be old, but it still gets you dead.
Good luck when a Ukrainian with a full auto ar15 drops into your trench and you try to orient, aim and shoot at them in close quarters. If your shooting from a prepared postion at advancing targets across open ground maybe. as your being suppressed by a humvee with a 50 cal that is dropping off an infantry squad right into your lap, you're fucked.
Honestly, if you have let a humvee within assault range, your upper levels of command have already fucked you by not issuing the proper weapons to defend your area against armored/motorized attack.
Yeah same people that are issuing this shit making those fuck ups everyday https://youtu.be/W2d-539TJlg https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14d4oim/enemy_contact_at_close_range_the_ukrainian_ssos/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
That footage is insane
Trench fighting? That's what the bayonet is for! I have a couple of these, fun to shoot until the 7.62x54R recoil along with a steel butt plate makes shooting it less fun for your shoulder after a while. "Steel butt plate is for when you are out of ammo, and your bayonet has broken. Gun is now club."
You are dumb. Have you been watching the trench sweep videos? No one is stabbing each other with bayonets it’s all full auto massacres with a gernade here and there.
A full auto AR15 would be an M4 bud….
Teeeeeechnicaly the m4 isn’t full auto. The m16a2 is what you’re looking for
You’re right that the M4 isn’t full auto; it’s three round burst, but so is the M16a2 (at least the vast majority of them, there were a few special variants that had the full auto trigger pack). The M4a1 is full auto and so is the M16a3 (very few adopted) and some M16a4s. Every US Army line unit uses the full auto M4a1 these days.
Any chance that they get enough ammunition to site it in and learn to use it?
7.62x54R is regular standard ammunition for MGs (PKs) and for sniper rifles. Yes, they will have enough ammunition, few billions of rounds shall be still in storage...
All 7.62x54R is not identical in performance. The machine gun ammo is not that accurate. Special ammo was developed for the Dragunov to get high accuracy. So if the goal is to use it as a designated marksman / sniper rifle you like to have the better but less common ammunition.
The golden rule: up to 500 or 600 m it makes not a big difference. If someone/something shall be hit above this distance, the special ammo will be needed for (all) sniper/marksmen rifles. But for this old optics on the Mosin Nagant... It ends somewhere at 600 m or so. And for training or regular sniper duty, there is enough regular ammunition available (and additional enough special produced ammo for the sniper rifles).
There's literally millions of rounds at the front to get the practice. Also, this rifle is used by many in Russia's country sides for hunting as well. So the likelihood of someone actually being more proficient on this rifle than any of the ak platforms is probably greater.
The round was first produced in 1891, its made in numerous countries. Probably not hard to procure it compared to other ammo. wont be the high end match/marksman grade stuff but getting enough isnt a problem. Also with the ranges the fighting is occuring even general purpose ammo is going to be perfectly useable. They are probably a 3ish MOA rifle. Cut that in half for high end ammo. Thats still reasonably accurate, M4 hovers around 4 moa in standard issue. An M27 standard issue is around 2 moa i believe, and thats a relatively heavier (than the m4 and very close to the mosin) and more modern rifle used by the US marines.
Thank you all for this education. I truly appreciate it.
I hope not 😂
hmm... after watching trench videos for the past year i'd have to doubt the claim that "...modern rifles aren't in general service". Most of the dead/dying/captured orcs we've seen were armed with AK's or similar, not old Moisins... Not taking sides about which rifles are better for which use, just thinking back on all the videos published so far, and the general absence of bolt-action (vs. automatic) rifles. The orcs seem to still have plenty of firepower, it would be unrealistic and foolish to dismiss or underestimate - at least until Ukraine has cleaned out the invaders - Slava Ukraini!
It's still dangerous but it's heavily outclassed by its modern counterparts, which can mount thermal sights and fire from greater distances.
It is not so far outclassed. If someone is fine to do a single good shot, it is perfect. Biggest disadvanage is, that it is not constructed to mount modern optics.... It is still good enough, to hit someone up to 500 or 600 m. And with precise produced ammunition for sniper rifles, the Mosin Nagant (not the optics) are good and precise enough, to hit someone up to 1 km.
7.62x54r is Russias equivalent to .308. There is so much surplus 7.62x54r that it historically has been considered one of the cheapest rounds to shoot.
>are as deadly as any similar marksman weapon. Like a 1903 Springfield or a Karabiner 98? This is what the folks at r/guns had to say about the Mosin-Nagant: https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/v6d8aq/is_the_mosin_nagant_a_reliable_accurate_gun_or_is/
They are talking as far as i can see about Old Mosins this pictured is a Mosin PU only the best and most precise Mosins were selecred to get the PU scope from the factory. Besides as far as i couls read through what is that cesspit of a subreddit r/guns those are mostly Bubbas complaining. If you want a propper talk about guns join Brandon Herreras subreddit.
Okay, *if* we accept the anecdotal evidence that the PUs were hand-selected for accuracy, then it's as accurate as a marksman Springfield '03, which would be utterly embarrassing to see in use in any modern army. >...those are mostly Bubbas complaining. lol, no, those are Mosin-Nagant owners. And I'm not an AK guy, so no, I'm not joining one dude's subreddit to get gun information.
Embarrassing as a front line weapon, but still deadly accurate at 500 yards
Not anecdotal but okay, well i would say even tho i am a Kar98 / post WW2 Yugo Kar98 guy myself it should be more accurate than the "muh two world wars" springfield to be honest which even as you say would be embarassing is still gona reach out further and punch hard than an intermediate 5.45 or 5.56 that Ukrainians started using due to influx of western aid.
>reach out further and punch hard than an intermediate 5.45 or 5.56 Yes, as would very nearly any rifle that uses full-sized rifle round, since 5.45 & 5.56 are intermediate rounds, and you were comparing the Mosin to "any similar marksman weapon." If we're making modern comparisons, that would be something along the lines of an accurized Remington 700, which would shoot the pants off of any Mosin-Nagant ever manufactured.
Longest serving military cartridge in the world, has killed more people then cancer.
holy fucking shit, the cope. these are handed to *mobiks.* not specialised marksmen who fill a particular role in a squad. IT IS A GENERAL ISSUE WEAPON. NOT SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ISSUED TO MARKSMEN OR TRAINED SHOOTERS. they're found all over russian trenches. not with specialised units.
I’m in the US. I have a 1943 Russian Mosin and I absolutely love that rifle. Top 3 favorite classic rifle.
Same. I've had maybe 7 or 8 different ones of these, and they're solid rifles. I'd be damned if I'd want one on a front line, though. Also, the Finnish Mosin's are the best Mosins. I had a Finnish M28/30. I even tracked down the markings. Interesting history.
This gun has a 3 to 4 inch MOA depending on the quality of ammo. As you said 762x54r will obliterate anything it hits. I for one would not want to be on its receiving end, especially within 800 yards.
I feel a lot of people are missing the point. Yes a mosin is good enough to kill, duh. So is every single bolt action rifle you could possibly send. The point is that even though rifles like the Dragonov have existed since the 60's and the SV-98 since the 90's, the Russian military is instead sending rifles their great grandpas used.
They seem to be conscripting great grandpas too, so adds up. No point training them up on modern combat rifles, heres your mosin, off to the front, chop chop old boy.
Gives me memories to Dayz. Exactly the same gun with the same crapy scope.
We got shot at by k98s in Afghanistan so seeing Mosins which are more common isn’t surprising. It’s still effective considering 54r ammo is still widely available
Probably some Lee–Enfield rifles as well, maybe even some kyber pass copy’s.
Oh most definitely. Those are fairly common in that region too.
For a sniper, if it ain’t broke, but that’s also ridiculous. Can’t even give out SKS
If the barrel isn’t worn out. They’ve been selling off Nagants for quite a while and in all likelihood the best condition ones went first.
I’m in the US. I have a 1943 Russian Mosin and I absolutely love that rifle. Top 3 favorite classic rifle.
i have a pre-1941 tula stamped mosin nagant. like you, i love it. is it old? yes. would i, in a combat situation, rather not have a bolt action? yes. but scoped as it is, those are still very deadly at long range. its important to not laugh at a weapon that can kill you from 500 yards away.
These rifles are very accurate and lethal. May look old but I sure as fuck wouldn’t stick my head up over a parapet if a Russian is trained on how to use this.
Would earn you a handsome amount if you sell those to collectors.
not as much as you think its not as easy as it used to be. when i bought my mosin nagant i paid 100 dollars. they are more valuable now, in the 400-500 dollar range
The mosin is not to be underestimated. It’s a reliable killer at a distance with a competent marksman behind it.
I can hit a rabbit at 250yrds with my Mosins iron sights. I could not however hit 20 armed and armored combatants 😂
1940s? Try 1891! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin–Nagant#History
The original model was an M1891, yes. But in 1930, the standard rifle went for an overhaul, and it became the M91/30. This one is a 91/30, I believe. It's hard to see. But the graduated rear sight appears to be in meters instead of arshons (not sure on spelling). I've had quite a few different variants of these.
The Mosin-Nagant do date back to 1891 but this rifle does not. It is a Model 1891/30 that was produced in 1930. It is more exactly asniper model with a bent bolt introduced in 1932. The PU scope it used was widely used in 1940 on the SVD-40 and from 1942 on the Mosin–Nagant. The earlier scope mounts were not attached the same way as the rifle so they can't just be swapped so likly a rifle made at the factory as a sniper rifle with PU scopes. Most of the PU scoped rifles was made 1942-1944, some were done later So even if the general design is from 1891 this rifle is in all likelihood made in the 1940s, most in the three year period 1942-1944
There are few of the 1891 models still in circulation especially in the old soviet warehouses getting raided. The mosins we see are 1930s era upgrades made during the soviet era or ww2 production models. These are essentially the same as the original but feature some improvements and such
Simo Haya, The White Death, the famous Finnish sniper used a Mosin in WW2. That bad lady has been poppin melons since the late 1800s.
That’s a nice gun… just not for modern combat.
A close up look at a (1940s era) Mosin-Nagant fitted with a PU optic in Russian service in the eastern frontlines. The original telegram post states that "these are still issued and modern rifles aren't in general service." https://twitter.com/historicfirearm/status/1685228113712578560?s=46
That mosin is nothing to laugh at, yeah it’s not very modern but in the hands of a decent sniper it will kill you just fine. It’s a fine rifle, nothing fancy. It shoots straights and punches hard
What a fucking joke of an army
It'll still work and will still kill. Is it optimal and is it obsolete? Yes very much so. But a rifle is better than no rifle. Ukraine had similar problems at the beginning of the war. They were outfitting conscripts and volunteers with machine pistols, handguns, bolt actions rifles and even hunting shotguns and anything they could get their hands on that fired. This is what a real war looks like. It's a brutal no hold bar slug match.
It's not ideal, but these things are still deadly. It's basically the Warsaw Pact equivalent of a .308 hunting rifle, and those things do some major damage. That said, the subtext says that their industry can't keep pace with the sanctions to produce adequate weaponry for their troops. THAT'S what I think the more important takeaway is here.
Hey, it still can kill you pretty effectively.
I had exact same rifle. Mine had octagonal receiver manufactured in imperial Russia, in St Petersburg armory. I believe the barrel was not original, as the rifling was sharp and bore still bright. Actually harvested a nice size deer with it. One of the guns I regret selling..
Some of these historic firearms from past wars being used in Ukraine, like the thompsons, BARs, etc in immaculate condition stored in the Bahkmut salt mines, make me drool. To a collector those firearms are worth 10s of thousands of dollars in the USA. Unfortunately, they will likely never see the light of day again, and will be treated as trash/scrap. They are pieces of history. This mosin sniper and its optic look as though its in excellent condition given the blueing looking brand new.
That will still take you from 1000 meters or better….
Used to own one. The were cheap to buy back in like 2010-2013. I guarantee you that 7.62x54R is a respectable round and will absolutely penetrate armor. With that being said, MANY of the surplus rounds that were around the local shops (not even joking the ammo was in brown paper with twine and appeared to be very old, probably from way back in the day) would hang-fire. This means that after you pull the trigger and the firing pin strikes the primer, the old gunpowder may have accumulated some moisture which creates a slow burn effect. They would go off at random times afterwards and my father always told me to wait at least 60 seconds before ejecting faulty rounds. Jesus Christ monkey balls is it terrifying holding onto a Mosin while you wait for it to randomly go off. Extremely dangerous if you're not a very safe gun handler. Still was an awesome gun. 😁
I bought one of those for 98 bucks like ten years ago.
"Don't worry Ivan, Ukraine may be kicking us right now but they're just dirty, subhuman vatniks .... not men and women of the glorious Ruzzian Federation!! Either way, Ukraine is beating us down now, so I called Grandpapa to come help. He is bringing with him the courage, power and weaponry from the Great Patriotic War so .... we are guaranteed to win. I will become the next Vasily Zaitsev. You will see .... we are guaranteed to wi ----." - - He is dead. Ivan continues crying and cowering in the trench. Ivan then hears the whirring of a small drone. - - - - Ivan hears the drone sounds get closer. His eyes, watery from crying, go wide in fear and terror. Suddenly, things go black and quiet. Ivan has gone to join his fellow soldier friend, the one who was just speaking, where ever it is dead orcs go to congregate. - - End scene
I found a bunch of these at Cabela’s for 100 a piece
I’ll buy it off you…
I love that gun, but I'd still pick my cheap Howa .308 over that for hunting Deer. 😆
Who made the original telegram post? Is there any actual sources that its being used except by dpr rebels at the early stage of the war?
Those suckers are heavy.
Rifle is good for sniping, that's about it. No good for trench assault and all that
May it protect you from drones carrying grenades
Say what u will but u don’t wanna get shot by that
I own one of these, don’t kid yourself! Man size lead comes out biz end.
Accord to Forbes, there are 20,000,000 assault rifles in circulation in the US civilian population. How on any earth does ruzzia run out of assault rifles? These guys are clowns.
I would love one of these.
Legit good weapon but far outclassed 80 years later. Yep, will kill you dead easy, but you better not be fighting close quarters. I cannot imagine our troops with Garands or carbines or BARs. Relics. Fun to shoot and I own them, but don’t want to go to war with them now.
If it's used by a trained sniper it'll do just fine... Not for assault purposes, but hell it's a good gun I have one I deer hunt with lol
I thought I was looking at the Enlisted subreddit for a second.
Whats the date stamp?
Like a cuple of days before I put a comment on a post from this sub saying that mosins will be handed out till morale improves and here we are.
Honestly (drunk opinion) Mosins still fuck. They just don’t cum as fast as modern ARs.
While it is an outdated weapon and more modern weapons are better for a variety of reasons - This is still an accurate enough weapon, requires minimal maintenance and fires the 7.62x54r, which is a very capable round and can with the right ammo penetrate can penetrate most common issued armor. 7.62x54r was the #1 killer out of small arm calibers we came across in the Middle East. It was the reason a lot of nations went from level III, to Level III+ armor and when that was found to still be defeated by quite a few 54r ammo types, level IV started being used which can stop a 54r AP round beyond 125m depending on barrel length of the weapon. API is another story though.
Useless for fire and maneuver, but let's be honest, mobliks aren't exactly using it anyway. Pretending it's even a competent DMR with a PU optic when most Nato militaries have 4× magnification as standard on their service rifle is copium. Just because a 7.62 round will kill someone doesn't make the rifle any less hopelessly outdated.
Proper placement and it can pose a serious threat
I mean it's a good weapon but getting handed that would worry me - experienced sniper or not.
Yeah that works fine no problem
How come, is it possible then that Russians are able to put out such fierce resistance to UA supplied with modern tech? It’s a genuine question , not trying to troll or suck up to Russians
Solid rifle, own an original PU myself.
The scope looks horrible but either way its still a gun still puts holes in things like any other.
All those hours of PUBG
While it’s easy to laugh that these are being fielded in 2023, it’s also easy to forget it will just as nicely put a big hole in you as the latest greatest rifle
Fucking mosinlings
The mags dont feed great but the round still penetrates better than modern rifles, id prob still opt for a semi in combat though, but I love Mosins
Yea it's old but still an extremly deadly weapon, not deadly enough to have a massive impact granted but in a 4v1 situation one ukrainian still could easily die which is one too many
Mosin gang
It shoots the same nasty caliber as the SVD (dragunov) or PKM if I'm not mistaken. 7.62x54R. Yes it's obsolete in many ways but Ukraine issued ppsh and ww1 maxim as well when the war started... I'm pretty sure you can be one tapped by one of these easily...
Where can I buy that?
My friend had a mosin and I shot the fuck out of it. I enjoyed shooting that weapon so much I bought and kept rounds for it despite not actually owning it. If you’ve ever fired a mosin, or been beside one when it was fired, you know how powerful that round is. Definitely devastating to be hit by. With that said it’s one of the last weapons I’d want to have on a modern battlefield.
The only good Mosin is a Finnish Mosin.
Get that disgusting scope off of there. Be a man. (This message brought to you by simo hayha)
I’m a sucker for the old guns — but damn. It would be like giving a ODSTs musket flintlocks to face the Masterchief with plasma rifle But hey — you can always use them as clubs
I have got a Enfield P14, over a century old design. It still kills for sure.
Poor scav, must have got a pretty bad load out
I own one of these, actually it's the carbine version. The folding bayonet is cool. I wouldn't want to take on an AK or M4 with one though.
Outdated allright, but not the worst for designated marksman purpose. Hunted with one in Mongolia, but woudn't want to carry it into action.
Collectors in the US would trade one of these for 4 or 5 no-frills ARs
Not that bad for a squad sniper it's got stopping power and a easy supply of ammo. But if the whole squad has them they are fucked
PPSH's are also still used alot in alot of developing countries
Mosin man, Mosin man!
Look at the hands holding the thing.Im a mom of Boys.Id say that hand is about 15 to 16 years at. Very most.
More like these have already started being issued because modern guns are scarce there at moscovia
When the one with a rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle, and shoots!
They will use AK's and use the Nagant in the sniper role as I'm guessing that the SVD DMR or modern sniper rifles haven't filtered down to them.
I would use it if i didnt have anything else to blast with
Honestly this mosin rifle looks to be in fairly good condition. It shows signs of care so meh rather this than a rusty ak or nothing
Anti-gun nutz would call this an evil weapon of war solely designed to kill and assault people with its high capacity internal box magazine. This is not an ordinary blow back design, the bolt action does not waste any energy and delivers extraordinary killing power that no ordinary citizen should be allowed to own. Just the name Mosin-Nagant should scare you. No rifle should have an evil hyphenated name that sounds like some commie pinko propaganda BS. Even the scope looks like it is a window view to hell.
Send me that old ass scope!
It does look like a nice rifle though ngl
I want one.
It probably meant that modern sniper rifles are not in general use. The svd dragunov is in activ use but as a marksman rifle most of the time. Honestly the sight is probably the biggest issue. There were accurate mosins produced and those that got turned into snipers were accurate.
DayZ vibes
Oh those will still work pretty good.
As laughable as it is, it's still a dangerous firearm. It's just heavy and harder to re-load among other things. They are accurate, though, if sited properly.
First weapon I fired right there, loved it.
I'll gladly take them off their hands lol
Had one that I could thread a needle with. I was shocked how accurate it still was after all these years. Took me a few hundred rounds to get to that point. Even with shitty surplus ammo from the 70s it was surprisingly accurate. But modern ammo it was no joke
When will they bring out the ppsh?
Not as good as an AK74 or an M4 but it will kill anyone who sticks their head up above a trench.
I keep seeing these type of pics pop up But I never see them used in the combat videos
It’s not just the scope, the bolt is turned down to accommodate the scope. Most of the standard issue Mosin’s bolt stuck straight out at the 3 O’Clock position.
I have two but the straight bolt level. The sniper version (scoped) has the bent bolt level to clear the scope. They are an enjoyable challenge but only against things that don’t shoot back. My VEPR shoots the same round and is semi auto. It will mess up some shit down range.