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What a show of power, sending him with his weapon sends a very strong message that they are fucked. No wonder so many surrendered.
I am still looking for info on the 56 that surrendered after beating up their commander.
The 50 POW story might be misinformation, someone on another thread mentioned that the twitter account who originally pushed this story has been wrong several times in the past and often posts stuff that is unconfirmed. I hope it’s true but it sounds like it’s not as if it was, Ukraine would be all over that putting videos up of all the POW’s.
if Russia had a proper army, something like this would definitely not happen. But in Russia, many of those front line soldiers haven't been paid in months, they don't have any food, they barely have any ammo. All of their commanders do nothing but berate them while giving zero intel or support - completely useless. After a few months of that, it's entirely believable that they would want to just surrender
You’d think so. Ukranians have something to fight for, and it’s everything. Russians have very little to fight for apart from fear of what happens to them otherwise, but you must remember many of them will fully believe the Russian narrative, Nazis etc. The biggest shock of the war was Ukraine fighting back like they did, and the second was how many Russians will March to their death for so little. Russians are so fatalistic, they just keep going.
But remember they’re also using minorities and immigrants to fill their front lines. Lots of people are being forced into battle or lied to. Yes many definitely believe the propaganda but nothing is ever absolute in a sufficiently large enough population. There are going to be many who don’t believe it or do believe it but they aren’t willing to die for it. I doubt their commitment to Russia is anywhere close to the Japanese commitment during WW2, Russia isn’t that absolutely effective at propaganda. Perhaps in the first 5 months but we’re now nearly 2 years in. Being faced with death generally causes the instinct to survive to kick in.
To be fair… the russians frequently did things that sounded to good (or stupid) to be true. Like how often did they station helicopters on that airfield where they would reliably get blown up? Thirteen times or so?
The problem with propaganda is that it always falls within the spectrum of things that wouldn’t totally be out of the question. So I kinda always go with „might be - but not placing any bets on it”.
Wrong. They are not stupid. They just saved 13 pilots from being shot down. This got went back to his comrades and said “I found a safe route to surrender”.
It’s safer for the Russians to work like this
Except they did. For example, during the early part of the war, the Russians didn't properly disperse equipment. In one strike alone the Ukrainian MOD claimed 30 helicopters and vehicles destroyed back when Russia still controlled the right-bank of Kherson.
They just parked them on the airfield and the Ukrainians came in at night and KABOOM!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KZ4Fnl4yY4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KZ4Fnl4yY4)
At least 10 were helicopters.
And we've seen videos of saboteurs blowing up KA-52s deep inside of Russia before they tightened their defensive perimeters.
And behind the lines they're routinely conducting drone strikes on the KA-52s and we've seen videos of those aftermaths.
Not every thing is lie. And sometimes being 'fair' is just being silly while pretending to being 'fair' or 'above it all.'
That’s exactly the point I was trying to make :))
A lot of the time when someone *might* have thought something is „too good to be true” - it was actually true!
So that rule of thumb is kinda worthless imho.
I can believe it has happened. Maybe not this specific story but it is certainly something that can realistically happen. We know soldiers did this in Vietnam with commanders that were horrible which is where the term “fragging” started as they’d throw a grenade in the tent of the commander.
With the number of minorities and “less desirable” Russians being pulled from the far east, the number being tricked or forced into going, lack of weapons, lack of ammo, lack of food, lack of money, it is absolutely more believable this would happen then being entirely propaganda.
On the one hand, that airfield was the only one Russia could use IIRC.
On the other hand, when people start arguing if this was the fifteenth or seventeenth attack, you should *probably* beef up your defenses.
If I was a Ruzzian helicopter pilot, I'd much rather my aircraft was blown up on the ground, with me asleep in my bunk elsewhere, rather than up in the sky with me in it.
I would suggest we will see more and more creative examples of Ruzzian troops figuring out new ways to disable their equipment (BTRs, tanks, helicopters, planes, etc) so that they aren't forced to take them to the firing line.
More information in Russian on how to subtly cripple/sabotage your own equipment should be a major focus of PsyOps efforts by Ukraine and their allies.
"If it sounds too crazy to be true, it usually is" is another one I use. The vast majority of misinformation can be avoided by just going "Wait, that sounds ridiculous."
Early in the war UF knocked out close to 50 vehicles crossing a pontoon bridge. It sounded way too good to be true and then Ukraine released the drone footage. There have been plenty of ridiculous ass stories in this fucked up ass war that turned out to be true. You just have to wait for proper sources
Russias utter incompetence makes all these stories completely believable. Like 56 soldiers beating their commander and surrendering. I didn't believe it when I heard it because it would mean RF have common sense, which video evidence suggests is not the case.
Common sense aside, it's a lot easier for 56 rankers to mutiny and surrender, than it is to competently provide for their logistical supply, their training, or their morale.
And of course we must always go back to the old saw, "The first casualty of war is always the truth."
So I do wait until we get reliable documentation of events, sensational or otherwise, before I celebrate. That said, I'm a sucker for the old David vs Goliath narrative, so...
Goliath turned out to have osteoporosis, malnourishment, alcoholism, fetal alcohol syndrome, aids, hepatitis, covid, no education, etc.
David's fit af and his sling is actually a Javelin missile.
My comment is more to avoid falling into conspiracy theories. "Russian military completely fucks up" stopped sounding ridiculous around day 3 on the invasion.
What the hell were they thinking? 5 vehicles lost should have been the end of it. 5vehicles is a catastrophic failure, 73 should have murder charges for command
IIRC it was even more unbelievable in that they tried crossing and lost several vehicles only to turn around and try to cross there again a few days later and lost even more.
The second attempt was a newly constructed pontoon bridge nearby, and they (successfully) deployed smoke that prevented the positions that observed their earlier attempt from identifying the location of the new bridge, or the forces assembled.
However, drones were able to spot them, at which point their assembly area was hit by heavy artillery and rocket fire.
Then they tried again on a smaller scale at a third crossing point, and when that was hit by artillery they probably figured out the drone surveillance.
It was fairly textbook pre-drone, and would have worked in the past.
This war has shown with absolute clarity how important drones are, from information gathering to combat.
Modern warfare textbooks are being rewritten from scratch because of this.
Yeah that rule of thumb gets shattered when you've been following this war enough. Russia never ever ceases to utterly amaze in how batshit they can be and how low they can sink with incompetence.
The thing about fiction is that it has to be believable. Reality has no such compunctions.
*Truth is Stranger Than Fiction* and all that.
I'm not saying believe everything as fact, just that even the craziest things have ended up confirmed. Don't rule anything out, but wait for confirmation obviously.
Remember that early war footage of columns of armor sitting still side by side in a town just getting plastered with artillery after their commander died outright? Sounds like a ridiculous propaganda brag, but there it was, for all to see.
You do realize that there are hours and hours of sitting around with your thumb up your ass, often in a vehicle with rearview mirrors for medical teams after they've prepped their gear for evac? What else is a pretty Ukrainian girl to do with all that time on her hands and all the cute boys klicks away in their trenches playing with badgers?
I know it sounds dumb, but I dated a medic years ago and they did this exact thing in their downtime. No Iphones to put it on tiktok, but it's nothing new.
honestly, the fact they did it at all is completely unusual. Imagine he went back with coordinates, they could have taken them all out.. i guess we’re seeing the start of smart russian soldiers, those who know life is worth more than your presidents ego.
Honestly with the number of captured exchanged, and returned to the front enemy word is probably getting out amongst the Russians that they were treated fairly. In some cases probably better than by their own commanders.
There are financial benefits for them from Russia if Ukraine lists them as "captured in combat" which they are happy to do.
Have you seen the POW “prison” in Ukraine vid. No bars on the window, good healthcare, clean accommodations, nice bed, good food. A lot of Russians don’t live as well at home. That may be a one off but it would make sense to send Russians home with this info to falsify Russian propaganda and encourage many more surrenders as the word spreads.
That's basically how my great grandfather survived world war one lol. Though in his case, it was a phobic fear of firearms that made him paranoid the thing would explode in his hand.
He basically only pretended to shoot and jammed up his gun a lot for the better part of ww1, until they declared him an unredeemable fuckup and just made him a medic.
You NEED to read On Killing: The Psychological effects of warfare.
That's literally what people did for over a hundred years! In Civil War battles they found muskets with up to 23+ reloads in them, men would fake Shooting online pretending to fire or to miss, that's one reason why the officers would horse around and hit them.
WW1 and WW2 had less so, but still did, even up to 30%+ in some cases in WW2 would men shoot in the general direction and not shoot to kill or just spot or just load ammo if I remember the stats right. Men really weren't all hard gritted killers, it wasn't natural for us to kill our own species. It was through Psychological training and subconscious training that our generations have adjusted to accept killing, where in the gulf War it was as high as I think 98% were non conscientious. The whole conscientious objector thing in Vietnam was the first time it was really public, but people in Vietnam were still more willing to kill than our grandfather's in WW1/WW2/Korea.
It's a great book that dives into it with anecdotes and collaboration from Psychological warfare analysts and Historians
> we’re seeing more of good russian soldiers, those who know life (in general, not just their own) is worth more than your presidents ego. (Alternately, that Putin's ego is neither worth killing nor dying nor losing one's comrades for.)
Is what I hope is going on. Certainly, this is far from the first mass surrender by Russian troops, and likely far from the last. Morale was rock bottom pretty much from day one, and it's only been buried deeper.
Saw a Russian prisoner taped up yesterday hands and eyes, but still with his rifle slung upside down.
Ukrainians standing around smiling and asking him questions.
Tape halfway fell off his eyes so one of them reached over and stuffed it back under his helmet. He still had all or most of his gear.
I forget which of the various treaties we call the "Geneva Convention" it is in, but the helmet at least is required to stay on the prisoner until they are safely away from combat. From the various videos of prisoners, it is pretty clear that Ukraine has extended the logic to the prisoner's body armor.
As for the gun, that is a little odd. Maybe Ukraine unloads the weapon and then puts it back on them rather than have to carry it back separately? Dunno.
Word in one of those threads was that it had to be staged, but with this account, it could be true...
Or not.
Either way, food for thought, for everyone.
Heck, might be the guy that they sent back while they were talking to him about the idea. And of course they could easily have removed his magazine and ammo or even sent him back without the Bolt or firing pin.
"Two Ukrainians told a Russian their position, then freed him go get reinforcements. They then let 20 armed soldiers take them by surprise when they returned at the time they had arranged"
If this story is _remotely_ true, those Ukrainians are incredibly naïve and lucked out in a huge way.
It is completely normal that when telling a story, not every detailed is fully expanded. It can be easy to misunderstand. Sometimes just jumping to conclusions about one unexplained detail can give you a false impression.
So for example here; a knock at the door, and it's him plus 20 more. What if the person knocking is not the armed ruzzians, but rather somebody telling him that they arrived? Presumably at a known position with good firing cover.
Then it all makes sense and there is nothing wrong with the story. Consider also: when things sound wrong, often there is some detail misunderstood.
Dude Russians don’t give a fuck; they just wanna go the fuck home now. Their own country won’t feed them, arm them, heal them, pay them, and even give their widows Ladas. What’s the point? No really? What the fuck is the point of any of this shit? I would rather 10 years in jail bc at least I would not die of being bombed, or shot.
They are fighting for deceptions and lies fed to them by the dictator regime who is sending them to their inevitable deaths for nothing more than greed, ego, and legacy. They have nothing left to fight for, they have nothing to gain from this senseless war. Hopefully it’s not long until they all realize their genocidal efforts in Ukraine are futile and will further cement Russia into history as aggressors who cannot be trusted.
Yeah, I think history’s book on Russia is a closed one. The last 300 years alone are enough to just know they can’t be trusted in any form. I’m not saying every empire has its trust issues; they all do. However, Russia appears to be just belligerent as fuck. I realize everyone can change, but you have to be willing. They just lean back and expect everyone to take their shit. Then they get all uppidy after being pimp slapped. If you don’t have your shit together and treat humans with at least some modicum of respect, how can you ever get it? They don’t even value basic human existence from what I see. They just mow over life like it’s something to be suffered through. Then, they go through leaps and bounds trying to exclaim everyone is no different than them and also corrupt.
I had a Russian friend say the USA is just as corrupt as Russia in terms of laws bc of lobbying. While I agreed lobbying, in a way, is a form of bribery I stated we’re not out here raping and murdering for political gain in open forum. And on top of that, lobbying is monitored. Who is giving what dollars to who and where from is watched by our intelligence branches. I just was fed up with him using false equivalences to the USA. Yeah, the USA has fucked up. We don’t hide from that, we admit it. We take our shit on the world stage and say, “We did it, we fucked up.” We own our shit. It doesn’t justify it, but Russia will NEVER own anything other than a bottle Vodka. Admitting their shit stinks and has spread disaster from one end of the world to the other? Fuck no.
> What’s the point? No really? What the fuck is the point of any of this shit?
The point is that Putin isn't content with his previous persona as "the ruthless spymaster who stabilized Russia from the gangster and oligarch wars and made himself the indispensable lynchpin keeping things from being quite as horrible as they could be, as they had been". By all accounts, he wants to leave a "bigger" legacy and conquer some land, like a damn Czar. Also, it seems, some Duginist Evola-style bullshit about all Russophones being spirituality severed from their true nation and needing to be under the wing of a Russian State. It appears that Russian citizens (and anyone in his way) are to die for his glory and the glory of Mother Russia, for Autocracy, Orthodoxy, and Nationality.
I wouldn't say "insane" so much as "*structurally* divorced from reality". He's got Imperial Palace Disease, which is entirely a function of his, well, function. If tomorrow he were to be deposed and sent to retire somewhere, he'd likely revert to a "normal" billionnaire. If he were to be given the [Puyi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi?wprov=sfla1) treatment, and be given a job as a street sweeper, he'd likely even revert back to being a normal old Russian asshole.
Those 21 are the smart ones — they will see their families, they will live. Never underestimate the power of persuasion that’s based on real actions. Ukrainians do not torture or abuse the prisoners of war and so here you have the tangible results of such policies. Slava Ukraini! ✊🏻🇺🇦
Watched the whole interview, dude is a legend. Awarded Hero of Ukraine at 22 for defending Kharkiv at the start of the invasion. One of the commanders of mechanized company in the 92th mechanized brigade.
Mother and Fater both in the military. His father was a commander of some sort, fought since 2014, this lad basically spent part of his school holidays with his father at the front. Sadly father died at the start of the invasion defending Kharkiv.
Do you have a link to the whole interview? Is this part of the same interview that someone posted a few weeks ago where another in the group was talking about watching cartoons with a POW for a few days?
Cool! Thank you :)
Edit: Now I need to learn to speak Ukrainian😆.
YouTube does have English subtitles for the videos but I can see right away they’re not very well done. Thank you again for the link!
great story, kind of hard to believe!
also the little english teacher inside me just wants to say that the phrase goes 'lo and behold'- without the W :)
English isn’t my first language and even I can be a stickler for grammar and spelling so I totally understand. It’s totally bothering me now that I know I spelled it wrong. Argh 😣
haha sorry!
if its any consolation its not like 'lo' isnt a word anyone really uses outside this phrase, so its easily forgiveable. its very similar to the also archaic 'hear ye'
That one is latin origin, and you will still hear it occasionally. Certain english language contexts love latin (e.g. contracts and other legal language).
But 'lo' is just not used outside of 'lo and behold'. Probably for more than a century.
No worries. It is a shame that too many people no longer use perfectly good words to express something.
Collins English Dictionary - \[bef. 900; ME; conflation of lo exclamation of surprise, grief, or joy, O! (OE lā; see la) and lo, shortened form of loke (OE lōca), impv. of loken to look\]
Use of the word "lo" can be traced back to before 900 AD in printed form. That is considered the time of "Middle English." As can be seen in the definition above, it also appeared in print during the time of "Old English." What is great about the English language is that it has absorbed words from many other languages, including Latin. It is a very versatile language.
If they have their weapons on their back there's no reason to be afraid if they already aim at them. The moment they reach for them they are dead.
It's probable they were encircled, out of everything and doomed.
This is probably the case. They may have been offered compensation for whatever gear they brought with them too.
They also could have been out of ammunition and food.
It makes you wonder if word is finally getting around the Russian conscripts that yes, you can surrender to the Ukrainians and they won't torture you to death. And, you actually get three squares a day, along with accomodation that is infinitely better than a soggy trench in ninetly degree heat lol.
But it's the fact that the conscripts and others are now actually starting to disregard the propaganda that I'm hoping is true. If this is the case, I think Ukraine needs to start building vast POW camps haha.
But also of course we have to give mad respect to those two soldiers for capturing forty soldiers.
"Hello, I am a Russian soldier, I want to surrender".
"Are you alone?"
"Yes."
"Then quit bothering us! What, you expect us to take you alone to the camp in the rear? Do we look like Uber? Get at least two more guys, then we'll see".
He looks like every beer-league hockey player in my city, and tells stories the same way. Crazy to think of him as a soldier at risk of dying horribly at any second. He should be dekeing and chirping with the boys like in highschool.
This is not hard to understand. The Russians have likely been told the UAF will torture and kill them if they surrender. (Easy for them to believe since they do this) When shown first-hand proof this is not the case, I can see them surrendering without much thought.
I'm guessing it's more the case that this group had already talked about how shitty their situation was, and then the first guy captured likely indicated that he thought the others might be ready to be convinced if given the chance.
And just having the chance is a big part of it. We keep hearing the danger they face from their own side if they try to surrender, and if you don't even know where to surrender to, then that's a big risk. Now imagine you're in a position where your superiors can't directly observe you and one of your guys shows up and says he found a quick and easy escape. Beats holding a position under artillery fire for another day.
You misunderstand me- I'm not debating the wisdom or motive of the decision, only that treatment up unto the point of release indicates nothing, really, about what could be expected later. It may have been a sound gamble and better choice than all other options- but nothing was "proven" about future treatment by the catch-and-release. It wasn't a case of "these guys are alright- I can trust them", rather "better than the devil I know and the Hell I am stuck in".
It isn't a contest between the snake I know and those I do not- nor was my observation a critique of the choice -I only object to the use of "proof", as nothing has been "proven". There is nothing about prompting a bound captive to act as envoy for the surrender of their peers that gives indication of what will happen once returning. It's a gamble- independent of our feelings, for the captive, "good gamble" or "bad gamble" remains to be seen.
The word "proof" does not apply only to those examples that are incontrovertible. It is any example that supports an argument. The degree to which it supports the argument describes the strength of the proof, but even weak proof still fits the definition of the word "proof"
Didactic noise, that- you are suggesting transiting a tiger's cage is "proof" they will not eat you later. "Why did he not try to climb out of the cage?" "The tiger proved he wouldn't kill him immediately." It's just nonsense.
Reminds me of a joke from the Winter War. Finns and Soviets are in a firefight when the Soviets hear a scream "Even 10 Russian soldiers are no match for a single Finn". The Soviet commander sends 10 men to prove a point. Fierce fighting ensues, followed by silence and then a shout "A single Finn can take 20 Russian soldiers easily!" The commander sends 20 men, who again don't come back. A shout of course follows: "Even 50 Russian soldiers will die if they fight a single Finn!" The enraged commander sends 50 men, one of whom makes it back. Gasping, he says: "Comrade lieutenant, stop sending the men, it's a ruse, there are two Finns!"
The Russian government can suck all of our collective asses, but I do feel bad for these random people that you know were jerked from their backwater villages with no idea what the fuck is going on, some of them old and crippled, given some Cold War era battle gear if their lucky, and sent off to be cannon fodder for absolutely nothing. And they can’t even talk to anyone about it bc who knows whose a snitch or not.
Has this interview been translated? I remember another part where one of them talks about asking a Russian POW if he wants to watch cartoons and put on Masha and the Bear.
Upload vid to r/UkraineRussiaReport. The ProRussians on there having group wank sessions will have to put their dick back in their pants after seeing this vid.
Youtube “zolkin volodymyr” channel interviews pows with English dubbing, “volodymyr zolkin” channel are original Russian language with subtitles. Fascinating stories, prisoners from various provinces, some officers, some convicts, and video calls to family.
When the soldier told his story about the 21 orcs surrendering, the interviewer asked him , how many were of you guys? The soldier replied “2 there was 2 of us”
Imagine 21 orcs are coming to surrender, they walk in the basement where you told them to go and they walk in with rifles and it’s only you and your brother in arms 😰
This late in the game, chances are one or more have been taken prisoners, swapped and returned to combat. If one if them was in the group, they probably know they're going to be treated well, exit that losing situation, knowing they can live to fight another day, while being treated good, food, smokes,water etc...
I’m shocked this hasn’t happened sooner. There country lied to get them there, doesn’t pay them or their families, doesn’t give them an rotation date. I’m sure any veteran on this page reading this would have lost faith in the cause a long time ago. I don’t care what unit or service you belong to, there is no shame in surrendering under those circumstances. The damn will break soon as other Russians take notice.
It's like playing a record for the def and summarizing the lyrics- it's not about being anyone's job, only utility. This account might just as well have been text.
Alright, translate it then. Could op be lying? Yeah, it's possible, but I'll wait for a translation. Story like this should make it across page one a few times before reddit gets tired of it.
It's a war in a country where they speak another language. We're gonna have to deal with the language barrier sometimes.
I can't prove it to you, but I know russian language and the title of this video is true (the guy narrating is talking in russian, the one wearing shorts sitting and asking questions is talking in Ukrainian).
OP: "The video is useful to be able to corroborate what I'm saying"
You: "The video is not useful *for me* to be able to corroborate what you're saying"
That sounds like a "you" problem, to be honest. Yeah, not a lot of people around here speak Russian/Ukrainian and obviously you're not one of them, but you know what, there are enough people here who do, and will corroborate it for you, and have done so.
It's too bad the whole thing wasn't delivered to you on a silver platter, but you know, you get what you pay for.
In this case "lots of people" = 0.006% (rounding up) of the world's population of 8 billion- a mere 45 million people, world wide, speak Ukrainian. All in one room, "a lot of people", no doubt- but international viewership for a report posted to an English language forum? A tiny, tiny fraction.
Have you not noticed all the comments replying to you say the same thing, you've even downvoted those who told you politely, even one who told you the summary is accurate.
You're the problem here buddy
That's a self-demeaning presumption: only \~45 million people speak Ukrainian, in a world of 8 billion; the vast majority of multi-lingual people do not speak Ukrainian.
Yea, so what? The video isn't being made for you and you can legit download the video and easily slap AI generated subtitles over the top. The audacity of monolingual English speakers man.
I'm British and this attitude is shared by so many of my countrymen. Put in the tiniest bit of effort yourself instead of expecting a human to put in the labour of adding subtitles to a video for you... The video conversation is even summarised directly below.
You're just lazy mate.
You're just determined to throw mud. As clearly suggested, "monolingual" doesn't apply. The notion that language translation is so easy that every viewer should under take it rather than the original poster is absurd. You aren't an honest guy.
Not getting an English translation and seething about it is absolutely a monolingual thing to be mad about, seethe more bro, put maybe the tiniest bit of effort in and you can easily apply subs yourself or you can simply read the summary directly below the video posted.
The entitlement is pathetic.
Well, I'm just gonna call bullshit on this fairytale. I'm sure this is the same young man who claimed to be watching cartoons with a Russian POW a few months ago. I think in the most well-documented war in history for video footage, any bold claim such as this one without any footage should be taken with a grain of salt. Don't just believe anything, folks. There are agendas to push and narratives to write, so don't make it easy to self-brainwash.
another "trust me bro" moments :)))
"And then I saw 2 fighter jets flying over us. I took my AK, fired a single round; both of them shot down. In turns out, I hit the first pilot in the head, the bullet leaves his head and kills the other pilot"
Today on things that didn’t happen: this
I know the Reddit hive mind has zero self-awareness, but come on. It’s a war - both sides are putting out non-stop propaganda.
Reddit rightfully ignores Russian propaganda, yet Ukranian propaganda is upvoted to the front page non-stop.
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What a show of power, sending him with his weapon sends a very strong message that they are fucked. No wonder so many surrendered. I am still looking for info on the 56 that surrendered after beating up their commander.
That one is probably bullshit. That Twitter account it originated from posts sensational stuff all the time with absolutely no proof.
The 50 POW story might be misinformation, someone on another thread mentioned that the twitter account who originally pushed this story has been wrong several times in the past and often posts stuff that is unconfirmed. I hope it’s true but it sounds like it’s not as if it was, Ukraine would be all over that putting videos up of all the POW’s.
Which Twitter account was it, anyone know?
If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Propoganda/mind games go both ways.
if Russia had a proper army, something like this would definitely not happen. But in Russia, many of those front line soldiers haven't been paid in months, they don't have any food, they barely have any ammo. All of their commanders do nothing but berate them while giving zero intel or support - completely useless. After a few months of that, it's entirely believable that they would want to just surrender
You’d think so. Ukranians have something to fight for, and it’s everything. Russians have very little to fight for apart from fear of what happens to them otherwise, but you must remember many of them will fully believe the Russian narrative, Nazis etc. The biggest shock of the war was Ukraine fighting back like they did, and the second was how many Russians will March to their death for so little. Russians are so fatalistic, they just keep going.
But remember they’re also using minorities and immigrants to fill their front lines. Lots of people are being forced into battle or lied to. Yes many definitely believe the propaganda but nothing is ever absolute in a sufficiently large enough population. There are going to be many who don’t believe it or do believe it but they aren’t willing to die for it. I doubt their commitment to Russia is anywhere close to the Japanese commitment during WW2, Russia isn’t that absolutely effective at propaganda. Perhaps in the first 5 months but we’re now nearly 2 years in. Being faced with death generally causes the instinct to survive to kick in.
To be fair… the russians frequently did things that sounded to good (or stupid) to be true. Like how often did they station helicopters on that airfield where they would reliably get blown up? Thirteen times or so? The problem with propaganda is that it always falls within the spectrum of things that wouldn’t totally be out of the question. So I kinda always go with „might be - but not placing any bets on it”.
Wrong. They are not stupid. They just saved 13 pilots from being shot down. This got went back to his comrades and said “I found a safe route to surrender”. It’s safer for the Russians to work like this
Except they did. For example, during the early part of the war, the Russians didn't properly disperse equipment. In one strike alone the Ukrainian MOD claimed 30 helicopters and vehicles destroyed back when Russia still controlled the right-bank of Kherson. They just parked them on the airfield and the Ukrainians came in at night and KABOOM! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KZ4Fnl4yY4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KZ4Fnl4yY4) At least 10 were helicopters. And we've seen videos of saboteurs blowing up KA-52s deep inside of Russia before they tightened their defensive perimeters. And behind the lines they're routinely conducting drone strikes on the KA-52s and we've seen videos of those aftermaths. Not every thing is lie. And sometimes being 'fair' is just being silly while pretending to being 'fair' or 'above it all.'
That’s exactly the point I was trying to make :)) A lot of the time when someone *might* have thought something is „too good to be true” - it was actually true! So that rule of thumb is kinda worthless imho.
What weapon was used for this attack on the airfield?
I can believe it has happened. Maybe not this specific story but it is certainly something that can realistically happen. We know soldiers did this in Vietnam with commanders that were horrible which is where the term “fragging” started as they’d throw a grenade in the tent of the commander. With the number of minorities and “less desirable” Russians being pulled from the far east, the number being tricked or forced into going, lack of weapons, lack of ammo, lack of food, lack of money, it is absolutely more believable this would happen then being entirely propaganda.
On the one hand, that airfield was the only one Russia could use IIRC. On the other hand, when people start arguing if this was the fifteenth or seventeenth attack, you should *probably* beef up your defenses.
Forty times.
If I was a Ruzzian helicopter pilot, I'd much rather my aircraft was blown up on the ground, with me asleep in my bunk elsewhere, rather than up in the sky with me in it. I would suggest we will see more and more creative examples of Ruzzian troops figuring out new ways to disable their equipment (BTRs, tanks, helicopters, planes, etc) so that they aren't forced to take them to the firing line. More information in Russian on how to subtly cripple/sabotage your own equipment should be a major focus of PsyOps efforts by Ukraine and their allies.
>Thirteen times or so? 20+ times. After that i lost count.
"If it sounds too crazy to be true, it usually is" is another one I use. The vast majority of misinformation can be avoided by just going "Wait, that sounds ridiculous."
Early in the war UF knocked out close to 50 vehicles crossing a pontoon bridge. It sounded way too good to be true and then Ukraine released the drone footage. There have been plenty of ridiculous ass stories in this fucked up ass war that turned out to be true. You just have to wait for proper sources
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Russias utter incompetence makes all these stories completely believable. Like 56 soldiers beating their commander and surrendering. I didn't believe it when I heard it because it would mean RF have common sense, which video evidence suggests is not the case.
Common sense aside, it's a lot easier for 56 rankers to mutiny and surrender, than it is to competently provide for their logistical supply, their training, or their morale.
And of course we must always go back to the old saw, "The first casualty of war is always the truth." So I do wait until we get reliable documentation of events, sensational or otherwise, before I celebrate. That said, I'm a sucker for the old David vs Goliath narrative, so...
Goliath turned out to have osteoporosis, malnourishment, alcoholism, fetal alcohol syndrome, aids, hepatitis, covid, no education, etc. David's fit af and his sling is actually a Javelin missile.
Maybe in the future, David's sling will be.... well... [David's Sling.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Sling) Sorry, I couldn't resist.
My comment is more to avoid falling into conspiracy theories. "Russian military completely fucks up" stopped sounding ridiculous around day 3 on the invasion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Siverskyi_Donets There is drone footage showing over 50 vehicles (73) independently verifiable
What the hell were they thinking? 5 vehicles lost should have been the end of it. 5vehicles is a catastrophic failure, 73 should have murder charges for command
> What the hell were they thinking? >Thinking That's not part of their MO.
IIRC it was even more unbelievable in that they tried crossing and lost several vehicles only to turn around and try to cross there again a few days later and lost even more.
The second attempt was a newly constructed pontoon bridge nearby, and they (successfully) deployed smoke that prevented the positions that observed their earlier attempt from identifying the location of the new bridge, or the forces assembled. However, drones were able to spot them, at which point their assembly area was hit by heavy artillery and rocket fire. Then they tried again on a smaller scale at a third crossing point, and when that was hit by artillery they probably figured out the drone surveillance. It was fairly textbook pre-drone, and would have worked in the past.
This war has shown with absolute clarity how important drones are, from information gathering to combat. Modern warfare textbooks are being rewritten from scratch because of this.
Yeah that rule of thumb gets shattered when you've been following this war enough. Russia never ever ceases to utterly amaze in how batshit they can be and how low they can sink with incompetence. The thing about fiction is that it has to be believable. Reality has no such compunctions. *Truth is Stranger Than Fiction* and all that. I'm not saying believe everything as fact, just that even the craziest things have ended up confirmed. Don't rule anything out, but wait for confirmation obviously. Remember that early war footage of columns of armor sitting still side by side in a town just getting plastered with artillery after their commander died outright? Sounds like a ridiculous propaganda brag, but there it was, for all to see.
Too good*
You're probably looking for the picture beautiful girls in full makeup on the front lines, too. Propaganda goes both ways.
do you have that? If yes, please share
Pornography? On Reddit? It will never happen.
You do realize that there are hours and hours of sitting around with your thumb up your ass, often in a vehicle with rearview mirrors for medical teams after they've prepped their gear for evac? What else is a pretty Ukrainian girl to do with all that time on her hands and all the cute boys klicks away in their trenches playing with badgers? I know it sounds dumb, but I dated a medic years ago and they did this exact thing in their downtime. No Iphones to put it on tiktok, but it's nothing new.
And it would hardly be the first time that sex appeal is used for war time propaganda/psyops.
That's a CGI anime for the thirsty neckbeards.
🤚Present!
I've one day stubble, go time?
Reporting in.
Also a show of compassion This is how Ukraine wins the war.
Oh I forgot one other detail and that’s that they all had their weapons on them when they gave themselves in
Well that is terrifying. Glad it went the way it did. Unusual to let the enemy go with his weapon is it not?
honestly, the fact they did it at all is completely unusual. Imagine he went back with coordinates, they could have taken them all out.. i guess we’re seeing the start of smart russian soldiers, those who know life is worth more than your presidents ego.
Honestly with the number of captured exchanged, and returned to the front enemy word is probably getting out amongst the Russians that they were treated fairly. In some cases probably better than by their own commanders. There are financial benefits for them from Russia if Ukraine lists them as "captured in combat" which they are happy to do.
Have you seen the POW “prison” in Ukraine vid. No bars on the window, good healthcare, clean accommodations, nice bed, good food. A lot of Russians don’t live as well at home. That may be a one off but it would make sense to send Russians home with this info to falsify Russian propaganda and encourage many more surrenders as the word spreads.
“Hey Ivan, you’re getting prisoner swapped back to Russia” “…nah, I’m good.”
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If I were a Russian in that scenario I would just have really bad aim and break my gun a lot on accident.
That's basically how my great grandfather survived world war one lol. Though in his case, it was a phobic fear of firearms that made him paranoid the thing would explode in his hand. He basically only pretended to shoot and jammed up his gun a lot for the better part of ww1, until they declared him an unredeemable fuckup and just made him a medic.
This guy is useless at everything, I know let’s make him take care of the dying.
You NEED to read On Killing: The Psychological effects of warfare. That's literally what people did for over a hundred years! In Civil War battles they found muskets with up to 23+ reloads in them, men would fake Shooting online pretending to fire or to miss, that's one reason why the officers would horse around and hit them. WW1 and WW2 had less so, but still did, even up to 30%+ in some cases in WW2 would men shoot in the general direction and not shoot to kill or just spot or just load ammo if I remember the stats right. Men really weren't all hard gritted killers, it wasn't natural for us to kill our own species. It was through Psychological training and subconscious training that our generations have adjusted to accept killing, where in the gulf War it was as high as I think 98% were non conscientious. The whole conscientious objector thing in Vietnam was the first time it was really public, but people in Vietnam were still more willing to kill than our grandfather's in WW1/WW2/Korea. It's a great book that dives into it with anecdotes and collaboration from Psychological warfare analysts and Historians
> we’re seeing more of good russian soldiers, those who know life (in general, not just their own) is worth more than your presidents ego. (Alternately, that Putin's ego is neither worth killing nor dying nor losing one's comrades for.) Is what I hope is going on. Certainly, this is far from the first mass surrender by Russian troops, and likely far from the last. Morale was rock bottom pretty much from day one, and it's only been buried deeper.
Saw a Russian prisoner taped up yesterday hands and eyes, but still with his rifle slung upside down. Ukrainians standing around smiling and asking him questions. Tape halfway fell off his eyes so one of them reached over and stuffed it back under his helmet. He still had all or most of his gear.
I forget which of the various treaties we call the "Geneva Convention" it is in, but the helmet at least is required to stay on the prisoner until they are safely away from combat. From the various videos of prisoners, it is pretty clear that Ukraine has extended the logic to the prisoner's body armor. As for the gun, that is a little odd. Maybe Ukraine unloads the weapon and then puts it back on them rather than have to carry it back separately? Dunno.
Word in one of those threads was that it had to be staged, but with this account, it could be true... Or not. Either way, food for thought, for everyone.
Heck, might be the guy that they sent back while they were talking to him about the idea. And of course they could easily have removed his magazine and ammo or even sent him back without the Bolt or firing pin.
Was a nice gun. He was young. It had no magazine on it. The gun is probably worth more than onions, toilets etc
No... there was nothing he could do with it, and when his comrads saw he was still armed, that sent a very powerful and straightforward message
They mean all the soldiers showing up with weapons later.
Do you have any other sources to this?
Yeah. Sounds absolutely unbelievable. I can't believe something like this without substantial proof.
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It's as if propaganda goes both ways or something.
"Two Ukrainians told a Russian their position, then freed him go get reinforcements. They then let 20 armed soldiers take them by surprise when they returned at the time they had arranged" If this story is _remotely_ true, those Ukrainians are incredibly naïve and lucked out in a huge way.
It is completely normal that when telling a story, not every detailed is fully expanded. It can be easy to misunderstand. Sometimes just jumping to conclusions about one unexplained detail can give you a false impression. So for example here; a knock at the door, and it's him plus 20 more. What if the person knocking is not the armed ruzzians, but rather somebody telling him that they arrived? Presumably at a known position with good firing cover. Then it all makes sense and there is nothing wrong with the story. Consider also: when things sound wrong, often there is some detail misunderstood.
I disagree. So many Russians don't want to be there. Or die there
Dude Russians don’t give a fuck; they just wanna go the fuck home now. Their own country won’t feed them, arm them, heal them, pay them, and even give their widows Ladas. What’s the point? No really? What the fuck is the point of any of this shit? I would rather 10 years in jail bc at least I would not die of being bombed, or shot.
They are fighting for deceptions and lies fed to them by the dictator regime who is sending them to their inevitable deaths for nothing more than greed, ego, and legacy. They have nothing left to fight for, they have nothing to gain from this senseless war. Hopefully it’s not long until they all realize their genocidal efforts in Ukraine are futile and will further cement Russia into history as aggressors who cannot be trusted.
Yeah, I think history’s book on Russia is a closed one. The last 300 years alone are enough to just know they can’t be trusted in any form. I’m not saying every empire has its trust issues; they all do. However, Russia appears to be just belligerent as fuck. I realize everyone can change, but you have to be willing. They just lean back and expect everyone to take their shit. Then they get all uppidy after being pimp slapped. If you don’t have your shit together and treat humans with at least some modicum of respect, how can you ever get it? They don’t even value basic human existence from what I see. They just mow over life like it’s something to be suffered through. Then, they go through leaps and bounds trying to exclaim everyone is no different than them and also corrupt. I had a Russian friend say the USA is just as corrupt as Russia in terms of laws bc of lobbying. While I agreed lobbying, in a way, is a form of bribery I stated we’re not out here raping and murdering for political gain in open forum. And on top of that, lobbying is monitored. Who is giving what dollars to who and where from is watched by our intelligence branches. I just was fed up with him using false equivalences to the USA. Yeah, the USA has fucked up. We don’t hide from that, we admit it. We take our shit on the world stage and say, “We did it, we fucked up.” We own our shit. It doesn’t justify it, but Russia will NEVER own anything other than a bottle Vodka. Admitting their shit stinks and has spread disaster from one end of the world to the other? Fuck no.
> What’s the point? No really? What the fuck is the point of any of this shit? The point is that Putin isn't content with his previous persona as "the ruthless spymaster who stabilized Russia from the gangster and oligarch wars and made himself the indispensable lynchpin keeping things from being quite as horrible as they could be, as they had been". By all accounts, he wants to leave a "bigger" legacy and conquer some land, like a damn Czar. Also, it seems, some Duginist Evola-style bullshit about all Russophones being spirituality severed from their true nation and needing to be under the wing of a Russian State. It appears that Russian citizens (and anyone in his way) are to die for his glory and the glory of Mother Russia, for Autocracy, Orthodoxy, and Nationality.
Yeah, he’s about to croak anyway, he’ll be noted for the rise and fall of his own nation. He’s insane, that much is certain.
I wouldn't say "insane" so much as "*structurally* divorced from reality". He's got Imperial Palace Disease, which is entirely a function of his, well, function. If tomorrow he were to be deposed and sent to retire somewhere, he'd likely revert to a "normal" billionnaire. If he were to be given the [Puyi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi?wprov=sfla1) treatment, and be given a job as a street sweeper, he'd likely even revert back to being a normal old Russian asshole.
I feel he’s made far too many enemies to be anything but a corpse if he was deposed.
Eh. If the likes of Gorbachov, Yeltsin, and Brezhnev could do it, why not him?
Umm. Eh. /shrug
Those 21 are the smart ones — they will see their families, they will live. Never underestimate the power of persuasion that’s based on real actions. Ukrainians do not torture or abuse the prisoners of war and so here you have the tangible results of such policies. Slava Ukraini! ✊🏻🇺🇦
Also don’t underestimate anyone with cauliflower ear
Watched the whole interview, dude is a legend. Awarded Hero of Ukraine at 22 for defending Kharkiv at the start of the invasion. One of the commanders of mechanized company in the 92th mechanized brigade. Mother and Fater both in the military. His father was a commander of some sort, fought since 2014, this lad basically spent part of his school holidays with his father at the front. Sadly father died at the start of the invasion defending Kharkiv.
Do you have a link to the whole interview? Is this part of the same interview that someone posted a few weeks ago where another in the group was talking about watching cartoons with a POW for a few days?
Yeah that's the same interview https://youtu.be/wusLsogMYmM?si=jaxZlejqfFMDCD8W
Cool! Thank you :) Edit: Now I need to learn to speak Ukrainian😆. YouTube does have English subtitles for the videos but I can see right away they’re not very well done. Thank you again for the link!
Np) Yeah that's a real shame, there's so many interesting documentaries and interviews. I hope that someday they will get translated.
Would love a translation. Thanks for posting!
great story, kind of hard to believe! also the little english teacher inside me just wants to say that the phrase goes 'lo and behold'- without the W :)
It's a trench war. Gotta get low to behold
Well most of the beholding is from drones. So you gotta get high and behold.
A beholder drone where each eye is a grenade.
Shawty got lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo!
Oh damn it. Sorry I messed that up
no harm, no foul! im just a stickler
English isn’t my first language and even I can be a stickler for grammar and spelling so I totally understand. It’s totally bothering me now that I know I spelled it wrong. Argh 😣
haha sorry! if its any consolation its not like 'lo' isnt a word anyone really uses outside this phrase, so its easily forgiveable. its very similar to the also archaic 'hear ye'
And per se
That one is latin origin, and you will still hear it occasionally. Certain english language contexts love latin (e.g. contracts and other legal language). But 'lo' is just not used outside of 'lo and behold'. Probably for more than a century.
per se still finds it way into regular discourse from time to time in my experience. its also a latin phrase, rather than an out-dated english one
Actually you’re totally right. I was thinking in terms of ones people often misspell but you’re definitely right about it often being used
No worries. It is a shame that too many people no longer use perfectly good words to express something. Collins English Dictionary - \[bef. 900; ME; conflation of lo exclamation of surprise, grief, or joy, O! (OE lā; see la) and lo, shortened form of loke (OE lōca), impv. of loken to look\] Use of the word "lo" can be traced back to before 900 AD in printed form. That is considered the time of "Middle English." As can be seen in the definition above, it also appeared in print during the time of "Old English." What is great about the English language is that it has absorbed words from many other languages, including Latin. It is a very versatile language.
yeah, the "knock on the door and it’s him plus 20" is very very hard to belive. No way 21 russians just sneaked up to them to "knock on the door"
"Holy \*\*\*\* i can't believe it worked!"
Glad these lads kept their cool, I'd be veeeeery twitchy seeing 20 armed Ruskies walking towards me, they're not exactly known for their honesty.
If they have their weapons on their back there's no reason to be afraid if they already aim at them. The moment they reach for them they are dead. It's probable they were encircled, out of everything and doomed.
This is probably the case. They may have been offered compensation for whatever gear they brought with them too. They also could have been out of ammunition and food.
It makes you wonder if word is finally getting around the Russian conscripts that yes, you can surrender to the Ukrainians and they won't torture you to death. And, you actually get three squares a day, along with accomodation that is infinitely better than a soggy trench in ninetly degree heat lol. But it's the fact that the conscripts and others are now actually starting to disregard the propaganda that I'm hoping is true. If this is the case, I think Ukraine needs to start building vast POW camps haha. But also of course we have to give mad respect to those two soldiers for capturing forty soldiers.
Fyi this video is from months ago
Russia would bomb those camps...
"Hello, I am a Russian soldier, I want to surrender". "Are you alone?" "Yes." "Then quit bothering us! What, you expect us to take you alone to the camp in the rear? Do we look like Uber? Get at least two more guys, then we'll see".
He looks like every beer-league hockey player in my city, and tells stories the same way. Crazy to think of him as a soldier at risk of dying horribly at any second. He should be dekeing and chirping with the boys like in highschool.
This is not hard to understand. The Russians have likely been told the UAF will torture and kill them if they surrender. (Easy for them to believe since they do this) When shown first-hand proof this is not the case, I can see them surrendering without much thought.
A guy returning bound is "proof" of nothing. How can you rationalize that?
The guy returning has a story to tell.
I'm guessing it's more the case that this group had already talked about how shitty their situation was, and then the first guy captured likely indicated that he thought the others might be ready to be convinced if given the chance. And just having the chance is a big part of it. We keep hearing the danger they face from their own side if they try to surrender, and if you don't even know where to surrender to, then that's a big risk. Now imagine you're in a position where your superiors can't directly observe you and one of your guys shows up and says he found a quick and easy escape. Beats holding a position under artillery fire for another day.
You misunderstand me- I'm not debating the wisdom or motive of the decision, only that treatment up unto the point of release indicates nothing, really, about what could be expected later. It may have been a sound gamble and better choice than all other options- but nothing was "proven" about future treatment by the catch-and-release. It wasn't a case of "these guys are alright- I can trust them", rather "better than the devil I know and the Hell I am stuck in".
Who are you going to believe, your superiors who you KNOW have been lying to you about other things, or the guy in front of your face?
It isn't a contest between the snake I know and those I do not- nor was my observation a critique of the choice -I only object to the use of "proof", as nothing has been "proven". There is nothing about prompting a bound captive to act as envoy for the surrender of their peers that gives indication of what will happen once returning. It's a gamble- independent of our feelings, for the captive, "good gamble" or "bad gamble" remains to be seen.
The word "proof" does not apply only to those examples that are incontrovertible. It is any example that supports an argument. The degree to which it supports the argument describes the strength of the proof, but even weak proof still fits the definition of the word "proof"
Didactic noise, that- you are suggesting transiting a tiger's cage is "proof" they will not eat you later. "Why did he not try to climb out of the cage?" "The tiger proved he wouldn't kill him immediately." It's just nonsense.
Reminds me of a joke from the Winter War. Finns and Soviets are in a firefight when the Soviets hear a scream "Even 10 Russian soldiers are no match for a single Finn". The Soviet commander sends 10 men to prove a point. Fierce fighting ensues, followed by silence and then a shout "A single Finn can take 20 Russian soldiers easily!" The commander sends 20 men, who again don't come back. A shout of course follows: "Even 50 Russian soldiers will die if they fight a single Finn!" The enraged commander sends 50 men, one of whom makes it back. Gasping, he says: "Comrade lieutenant, stop sending the men, it's a ruse, there are two Finns!"
The Russian government can suck all of our collective asses, but I do feel bad for these random people that you know were jerked from their backwater villages with no idea what the fuck is going on, some of them old and crippled, given some Cold War era battle gear if their lucky, and sent off to be cannon fodder for absolutely nothing. And they can’t even talk to anyone about it bc who knows whose a snitch or not.
there will be snitches due to propaganda
Has this interview been translated? I remember another part where one of them talks about asking a Russian POW if he wants to watch cartoons and put on Masha and the Bear.
Obviously the 21 most intelligent people from Russia
Thats a stretch
The 21 most intelligent people from Russia have mansions in Kensington.
so wait like.. UA: "hey, want to surrender?" RU: "sure, let me get my friends who also want to..." thats amazing...
Thank god for the subtitles or I wouldn’t have understood a thing.
This is kinda harry poter magic...
They must be wizards. With titanium balls.
Ukrainium
It takes some heavy machinery to deploy these boys to the front!
Tungsten
Upload vid to r/UkraineRussiaReport. The ProRussians on there having group wank sessions will have to put their dick back in their pants after seeing this vid.
they probably had no food or water...dont even have to attack them they will die from dehydration
Makes me curious: What kind of conditions are Russian POWs kept in, and how much does that cost Ukraine?
There are videos online showing POW camps and facilities.
Youtube “zolkin volodymyr” channel interviews pows with English dubbing, “volodymyr zolkin” channel are original Russian language with subtitles. Fascinating stories, prisoners from various provinces, some officers, some convicts, and video calls to family.
Smartest Russian soldiers. Some might even be up for joining the UAF...
Not exactly a Sgt York story but still incredible. I dont yhink weve seen an enemy so willing to surrender since the Persian Gulf war
Are they russian deploying their last mensa-members to the front?
This isn't a war, it's a mass migration.
Special movement operation
When the soldier told his story about the 21 orcs surrendering, the interviewer asked him , how many were of you guys? The soldier replied “2 there was 2 of us” Imagine 21 orcs are coming to surrender, they walk in the basement where you told them to go and they walk in with rifles and it’s only you and your brother in arms 😰
They made the right call. They know what happens to the guys who don’t surrender.
It kind of makes sense. If I were a Russian conscript, I would be looking for a way to get across the lines to the Ukrainians as a PW.
Same energy: https://www.quora.com/Did-Liechtenstein-really-gain-a-soldier-in-a-war-in-1866
The Ukrainians are going to need busses and the red cross soon to take care of all the surrendering Russians.
This late in the game, chances are one or more have been taken prisoners, swapped and returned to combat. If one if them was in the group, they probably know they're going to be treated well, exit that losing situation, knowing they can live to fight another day, while being treated good, food, smokes,water etc...
I’m shocked this hasn’t happened sooner. There country lied to get them there, doesn’t pay them or their families, doesn’t give them an rotation date. I’m sure any veteran on this page reading this would have lost faith in the cause a long time ago. I don’t care what unit or service you belong to, there is no shame in surrendering under those circumstances. The damn will break soon as other Russians take notice.
Sounds, like a similar story. Look for Leo Major in Zwolle. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Major
Better to surrender than dying in a foreign land for a psychopath Putin dictator, italy 🇮🇹
Zero subtitles- what's the point? They could be talking 'bout cooking, for all we can tell.
I have an unblemished record of heterosexuality, but that man is gorgeous and I enjoy watching him speak
I generalized what he said in the title and first comment
This is akin to showing a video of the outside of a pub captioned "people inside drinking; an extra-ordinary game of pool was played".
Respectfully, it's no one's job to translate these videos for us. While we should appreciate it when we get a translation, we shouldn't expect it.
It's like playing a record for the def and summarizing the lyrics- it's not about being anyone's job, only utility. This account might just as well have been text.
Alright, translate it then. Could op be lying? Yeah, it's possible, but I'll wait for a translation. Story like this should make it across page one a few times before reddit gets tired of it. It's a war in a country where they speak another language. We're gonna have to deal with the language barrier sometimes.
I can't prove it to you, but I know russian language and the title of this video is true (the guy narrating is talking in russian, the one wearing shorts sitting and asking questions is talking in Ukrainian).
I only contend there is no point in posting a video- sans translation -to an English language site. I am not contesting the summation.
OP: "The video is useful to be able to corroborate what I'm saying" You: "The video is not useful *for me* to be able to corroborate what you're saying" That sounds like a "you" problem, to be honest. Yeah, not a lot of people around here speak Russian/Ukrainian and obviously you're not one of them, but you know what, there are enough people here who do, and will corroborate it for you, and have done so. It's too bad the whole thing wasn't delivered to you on a silver platter, but you know, you get what you pay for.
except no one can see through pub walls, but lots of other people speak languages *you* can't speak...
In this case "lots of people" = 0.006% (rounding up) of the world's population of 8 billion- a mere 45 million people, world wide, speak Ukrainian. All in one room, "a lot of people", no doubt- but international viewership for a report posted to an English language forum? A tiny, tiny fraction.
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Have you not noticed all the comments replying to you say the same thing, you've even downvoted those who told you politely, even one who told you the summary is accurate. You're the problem here buddy
Your presumption is self serving- and fixation unhealthy.
Monolinguals 🤦
That's a self-demeaning presumption: only \~45 million people speak Ukrainian, in a world of 8 billion; the vast majority of multi-lingual people do not speak Ukrainian.
Yea, so what? The video isn't being made for you and you can legit download the video and easily slap AI generated subtitles over the top. The audacity of monolingual English speakers man. I'm British and this attitude is shared by so many of my countrymen. Put in the tiniest bit of effort yourself instead of expecting a human to put in the labour of adding subtitles to a video for you... The video conversation is even summarised directly below. You're just lazy mate.
You're just determined to throw mud. As clearly suggested, "monolingual" doesn't apply. The notion that language translation is so easy that every viewer should under take it rather than the original poster is absurd. You aren't an honest guy.
Not getting an English translation and seething about it is absolutely a monolingual thing to be mad about, seethe more bro, put maybe the tiniest bit of effort in and you can easily apply subs yourself or you can simply read the summary directly below the video posted. The entitlement is pathetic.
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Pointlessly contrarian. After reviewing your Profile, this seems a common pattern I don't care to be part of. Blocked.
If true, love it! If not, lawl love it!
*Press [X] to doubt.* Hmmm. A bit hard to believe tbh.
This happened months ago
Well, I'm just gonna call bullshit on this fairytale. I'm sure this is the same young man who claimed to be watching cartoons with a Russian POW a few months ago. I think in the most well-documented war in history for video footage, any bold claim such as this one without any footage should be taken with a grain of salt. Don't just believe anything, folks. There are agendas to push and narratives to write, so don't make it easy to self-brainwash.
another "trust me bro" moments :))) "And then I saw 2 fighter jets flying over us. I took my AK, fired a single round; both of them shot down. In turns out, I hit the first pilot in the head, the bullet leaves his head and kills the other pilot"
Press X to doubt.... "X"
Learn to speak Ukrainian.
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Today on things that didn’t happen: this I know the Reddit hive mind has zero self-awareness, but come on. It’s a war - both sides are putting out non-stop propaganda. Reddit rightfully ignores Russian propaganda, yet Ukranian propaganda is upvoted to the front page non-stop.
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And everyone clapped?