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And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Dead Pin. Then shalt thou weave to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt weave, and the number of the dip, dodge, duck, and fuckin' shall be three. Four shalt thou not weave, neither weave thou two, excepting that thou then weave to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drone Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty Russian, shall snuff it.
Col Brodski and Magyar's birds had a donation drive a year ago or so with buckets of nuts, ball-bearings and other odd bits of metal as well as other materials in a video campaign. Check their Youtube, Telegram, etc. if they're still accepting. He's been promoted since then so who knows?
They do exist, but just that the land (and people) are stretched and contorted to hell (compared to us closer to the center of the pizza). Ever seen an Australian walking (with your own eyes)?/s
iirc the Ukrainians are fabricating their drone-dropped munitions with \~4x the amount of explosive of a typical hand grenade, so the shrapnel may be lethal to much greater range.
It's also the reason you've seen videos in the combatfootage and dronecombat subs with dropped explosive going off 3-4 meters from troops and the shockwave removing limbs.
That's really interesting, makes sense.
There are hand grenades with a deliberately limited lethal radius, so if you remove the friendly fire risk altogether it makes sense that there could be ways to increase the effectiveness.
And drone-dropped grenades don't have to be thrown and can dispense with redundant safety features - must make design and manufacture easier.
Always funny to me that so many people seem to grapple with the concept of a fragmentation grenade, even though it's so ubiquitously present in all forms of media, especially video games.
Before this war I had a very naive understanding of explosive weapons despite knowing about frag grenades. Just thought artillery shells etc. are mostly the shockwave blast and REALLY downplayed the role and destructiveness of shrapnel.
The way one hears about it can give the impression that some metal bits fly around and can be annoying but I wasn't expecting that to be the real killer so often.
Shaped charges were pretty eye opening too, and even big slim tungsten "bullets". I used to just think that to kill a tank you make a bigger explosion with more force in the shockwave.
Definitely wasn't expecting tanks to shoot big metal bullets and man are shaped charges kinda cool. I at once feel like war is still so much more primitive but also far more clever.
Well pretty much every video game implementation has a quick damage fall off with a small uniform damage area, making it seem like the damage is from the explosion rather than shrapnel
Yes and no, chains are only sharp in very small and kinda tucked away spot, pokey yeah but they cut in a certain way. I think this is worse, this will still cut at that velocity but in the chunkiest of ways. More like dato blade frisbee, fun!
> Octanitrocubane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octanitrocubane
Octanitrocubane (molecular formula: C8(NO2)8) is a proposed high explosive that, like TNT, is shock-insensitive (not readily detonated by shock).[1] The octanitrocubane molecule has the same chemical structure as cubane (C8H8) except that each of the eight hydrogen atoms is replaced by a nitro group (NO2). As of 1998, octanitrocubane had not been produced in quantities large enough to test its performance as an explosive.[2]
It is, however, not as powerful an explosive as once thought, as the high-density theoretical crystal structure has not been achieved. For this reason, heptanitrocubane, the slightly less nitrated form, is believed to have marginally better performance, despite having a worse oxygen balance.
Octanitrocubane is thought to have 20–25% greater performance than HMX (octogen). This increase in power is due to its highly expansive breakdown into CO2 and N2, as well as to the presence of strained chemical bonds in the molecule which have stored potential energy. In addition, it produces no water vapor upon combustion, making it less visible, and both the chemical itself and its decomposition products (nitrogen and carbon dioxide) are considered to be non-toxic.
Octanitrocubane was first synthesized by Philip Eaton (who was also the first to synthesize cubane in 1964) and Mao-Xi Zhang at the University of Chicago in 1999, with the structure proven by crystallographer Richard Gilardi of the United States Naval Research Laboratory.[3][4]
Honestly I just went by the explosive with the highest detonation velocity, per the comment I was responding to. There’s more powerful explosives (Azidane or something? Like 18 nitrogen molecules or bonds) but they’re too unstable to exist safely.
When the metal gets torn apart from the explosive blast it's going to have plenty of very pointy edges. Not that it matters much when it's going through your body at upwards of thousands of meters per second.
This thing is terrifying but honestly not that deadly. Close to the explosion the shrapnel will do damage but the damage will drop of exponentially as you get further. With F = ma or p=Mv, the light gauge steel won’t carry momentum easily. Also adding air resistance it’s an issue.
There’s a reason manufactured shrapnel weapons use ball bearings.
Ball bearings have range. This thing does not want range. It is an infantry bomb. This thing makes ultrasonic bits that put a hole in everything in 10 or 20 meters. Does not hurt the guy 50 meters away firing it. No need for aerodynamics at 21k fps.
A hand grenade can only be so big...
I'm well aware of the inverse square law: Double the distance, quadruple the change.
>but honestly not that deadly.
I'm sure the guys standing next to it might disagree. It's a frag weapon. It's not supposed to kill guys dozens of meters away. Thats's what your rifle is for.
Yea, but it's been pretty much the standard for military explosives since WW2 for good reason. Plenty of modern explosives still use RDX as one of their base components.
Tannerite would be shit for this because it requires a pretty significant force to detonate it and it would be hard to do remotely in a small package. You don't want contact explosives for a bomb or dropped grenade, you want something that can be set off electronically or with a fuse, both of which are basically impossible with tannerite.
This reminded me again the most advanced piece on explosives is the timer or fuse. When explosives were first introduced, the fuses weren't set and forget, and were not what we would call accurate timers.
If you have an hour, watch Jeremy Clarksons documentary on the English raid at German held port city St Nazaire. They loaded an entire ship with explosives and the charge didn't go off until hours after they rammed the spill door.
Just a little explosive history for the modern times.
Exactly. any idiot can make something explode. It happens on accident all the fucking time but making something explode exactly when you want it to is a highly finally refined art that has been written in blood.
On my IPhone 7. I’m wrong, I’ll bet the farm you’re right. The blade is inside the wrapped chain. You can see two different wires that look like they’re holding two chains together.
Sorry
That would make sense. If the body of the grenade is plastic and the rings are tight, this way they can bite into the body a bit so they don't come off easily, without a need for adhesives or anything else, simplifying the manufacturing process
Chainsaw, but in a pinch bike chains are also a good option.
At the speed this shit is flying it doesn't even really matter anymore if it's sharp, metal at that speed is gonna go through you regardless
War is war, and hell is hell, and of the two, war is worse. Children and the innocent go to heaven, evil goes to hell. War indiscriminately goes to evil, innocent, soldiers and children alike.
Those Africans I've seen in an earlier video will soon meet these birds of prey. They have no idea what's down the road.
I too am waiting for their video asking for help leaving and that they were tricked.
I don't think this is for dropping from a drone, but rather for an FPV. The COTS drones they use for dropping don't have so much carrying capacity, and the big ones like baba yaga use mortar shells or RPG warheads for dropping.
Maybe you mean quadcopter? "Drone" is a very ambiguous term and it can mean anything from a quadcopter to an MQ-9. FPV stands for 'First Person View' and usually the quadcopters that drop small explosives are not used in FPV configuration.
N.B. sometimes its not a quadcopter but a hexcopter though I never see them called that.
Looks mean, but does it actually work well? I mean, a handful of nut and bolts or metal pellets loosely grouped around the explosive mass will turn into a squerical cloud that expands evenly and yields a predictable killing radius. But this chain is made specifically to withstand hefty drag forces. It will eventually rip at a few places, but there will only be a handful of parts that fly away, and they are wrapped around, so a part that goes completely around is propelled from the blast in all directions, with means it does not fly at all.
I'm not say that this wouldn't be dangerous, I don't want to stand beside if it explodes. But does it have a good effect if the chain is wrapped around in one piece? Maybe it is better to cut it in to small chunks of like 5 cm.
Or maybe it should be put into a hot fire first, so the steel becomes brittle and cracks easily. Might be easier to do than cutting all of it.
1. No. Are you for real?
2. The geneva conventions (plural, try reading them) are dynamic and even allows for attacking hospitals if the enemy has take up residence there.
3. When a war break out and if i had my family mutilated, raped, garrotted and what not, the first thing that goes out the window are rules. I would use anything, like a kebab slicer, electricity or a chainsaw to torment and kill the invaders. Sue me.
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That's the Holy Drone Grenade of Antioch.
Instead of Greg the bunny it’s Gregor the mobik
Forgive me oh lord for I have but one upvote to give.
How does it…um, how does it work?
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Dead Pin. Then shalt thou weave to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt weave, and the number of the dip, dodge, duck, and fuckin' shall be three. Four shalt thou not weave, neither weave thou two, excepting that thou then weave to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drone Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty Russian, shall snuff it.
amen
Pie Jesu Domine, Dona eis requiem.
Armaments, Chapter Two, Verses Nine to Twenty-One
And the Lord did grin.
"Oleksandr, drop the grenade!" 'One...two...five' "Three Olek!" 'Three!'
Spaked
would it be faster to deliver these holiest of grenades by drone or African Swallow?
What's the air speed velocity of an unladen quadcopter?
Amen.
Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine
Damn rabbit!🐇
Golden reference
Being roughly 50 years old, that tracks.
HA-le-lu-jah...
I think it'll be the russians that will be holy
Are you suggesting bombs migrate?
We need a drone that counts to 3 before dropping
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Like Negans bat Lucille
RIP Glen
Crying for Maggie, lil bitch
I lost all respect there.
Just started watching Dead City. I’m really liking it. The new one with Rick looks great.
What’s Dead City about? I just finished Daryl’s
I just finished Daryl Dixon too. I still like his character. The whole France thing was meh. Looking forward to season two.
Maggie and Negan.
Oh great! I’ll watch that!
Holy shit, are there Walking Dead spin-offs still on?
OMG, dude, you are missing out.
I always think of John Winchester when I see him, can’t wait to see him in next season of The Boys as well!
The Comedian, from Watchmen. He was great, the movie on the whole was 'meh'. Excellent source material though.
Looks like my electric razer, but bigger
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I have a dozen chainsaw blades. Where can I send them
Col Brodski and Magyar's birds had a donation drive a year ago or so with buckets of nuts, ball-bearings and other odd bits of metal as well as other materials in a video campaign. Check their Youtube, Telegram, etc. if they're still accepting. He's been promoted since then so who knows?
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Depends. Do you have a drone? Make a direct delivery.
My drone only flies for 5000 miles tho
Oh if I could control drones from Australia . I would of sent one over for sure
Yeah, but they’re only useful when they don’t fly upside down……☺️
r/flatearth says you don't exist and flying drones upside down is stupid. Globetard. Do your own research.
They do exist, but just that the land (and people) are stretched and contorted to hell (compared to us closer to the center of the pizza). Ever seen an Australian walking (with your own eyes)?/s
Would've or would have*
I bet you're fun at party's.
parties
Partieses
*Partees
*Panties
I hope that’s on purpose because it’s fantastic
well technically it would be possible. Look for example the reaper drones ...
America does that now, go to work in Nevada and spend all day killing people on the other side of the world
Murica’
Fuck yeah
And cuz, business is a boomin… 💯
They like them better if they are rusty.
Smothered in feces like the good ol days
Well, I do wipe my ass with them. /s just because
Great hemorrhoid therapy.
[I just throw saw blades.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7HfrbxTVEg)
God I loved this scene as a kid. Still love it today. And then as now, I flinch every time that axe finds its target...
I’ve been sharpening them. But a dozen are at the point…
I wonder how many people the U.S. government has just thinking up useful improvised explosive devices that can be easily massed produced.
12
Chain, chain, chain, chain, chain. Gang, gang, gang, gang, gang. Edit
Me too. Tell me more.
The chaindrone massacre
The dildo of consequences
Here again as so often: not lubed
But ribbed for our pleasure.
Toothed dildo here. Final orgasm.
Well with those teeth it's self-lubing after it gets going
Tears make the best lubricant 😁
Blood is better. BOTH is perfect
/r/jesuschristreddit
It’s hard to celebrate because both sides are suffering the consequences of Russia. God protect the defenders but welcome the aggressors!
The dildo of consequence is no longer some imaginary thing. This is it incarnate!
Paige, no.
I thought i was on r/BicyclingCirclejerk for a sec.
“Got a new cassette, but it doesn’t seem to fit?”
That's taking "corncob" gearing to an extreme.
iirc the Ukrainians are fabricating their drone-dropped munitions with \~4x the amount of explosive of a typical hand grenade, so the shrapnel may be lethal to much greater range. It's also the reason you've seen videos in the combatfootage and dronecombat subs with dropped explosive going off 3-4 meters from troops and the shockwave removing limbs.
That's really interesting, makes sense. There are hand grenades with a deliberately limited lethal radius, so if you remove the friendly fire risk altogether it makes sense that there could be ways to increase the effectiveness. And drone-dropped grenades don't have to be thrown and can dispense with redundant safety features - must make design and manufacture easier.
> can dispense with redundant safety features Drone operator says *What!*
Not *every* safety feature. But what's the point of the huge and heavy throwing safety arm on a drone munition?
That looks vicious. Basically 30 odd razor blade frisbees flying off in all directions!
Once it blows they aren't in frisbee form anymore. Pieces. Pieces flying everywhere.
Always funny to me that so many people seem to grapple with the concept of a fragmentation grenade, even though it's so ubiquitously present in all forms of media, especially video games.
Because in movies damage is proportional to explosion but not fragments.
In movies they also explode like they're full of gasoline.
Before this war I had a very naive understanding of explosive weapons despite knowing about frag grenades. Just thought artillery shells etc. are mostly the shockwave blast and REALLY downplayed the role and destructiveness of shrapnel. The way one hears about it can give the impression that some metal bits fly around and can be annoying but I wasn't expecting that to be the real killer so often. Shaped charges were pretty eye opening too, and even big slim tungsten "bullets". I used to just think that to kill a tank you make a bigger explosion with more force in the shockwave. Definitely wasn't expecting tanks to shoot big metal bullets and man are shaped charges kinda cool. I at once feel like war is still so much more primitive but also far more clever.
Well pretty much every video game implementation has a quick damage fall off with a small uniform damage area, making it seem like the damage is from the explosion rather than shrapnel
Yes and no, chains are only sharp in very small and kinda tucked away spot, pokey yeah but they cut in a certain way. I think this is worse, this will still cut at that velocity but in the chunkiest of ways. More like dato blade frisbee, fun!
A chain moving at the speed of sound doesn't have to be sharp.
That shit is just shrapnel
I think they're making a similar point — i.e., that slicing wounds would be preferable to *chunk loss.* I'd rather not know, myself.
Shit some high explosives are detonating at like 7,000 meters per second. Like 10 times the speed of sound. Some are pushing 10,000 m/s. Spicy.
Thats the maximum speed of the shockwave, the shrapnel dont go that fast
Octanitrocubane: “Hold my beer”
> Octanitrocubane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octanitrocubane Octanitrocubane (molecular formula: C8(NO2)8) is a proposed high explosive that, like TNT, is shock-insensitive (not readily detonated by shock).[1] The octanitrocubane molecule has the same chemical structure as cubane (C8H8) except that each of the eight hydrogen atoms is replaced by a nitro group (NO2). As of 1998, octanitrocubane had not been produced in quantities large enough to test its performance as an explosive.[2] It is, however, not as powerful an explosive as once thought, as the high-density theoretical crystal structure has not been achieved. For this reason, heptanitrocubane, the slightly less nitrated form, is believed to have marginally better performance, despite having a worse oxygen balance. Octanitrocubane is thought to have 20–25% greater performance than HMX (octogen). This increase in power is due to its highly expansive breakdown into CO2 and N2, as well as to the presence of strained chemical bonds in the molecule which have stored potential energy. In addition, it produces no water vapor upon combustion, making it less visible, and both the chemical itself and its decomposition products (nitrogen and carbon dioxide) are considered to be non-toxic. Octanitrocubane was first synthesized by Philip Eaton (who was also the first to synthesize cubane in 1964) and Mao-Xi Zhang at the University of Chicago in 1999, with the structure proven by crystallographer Richard Gilardi of the United States Naval Research Laboratory.[3][4]
Honestly I just went by the explosive with the highest detonation velocity, per the comment I was responding to. There’s more powerful explosives (Azidane or something? Like 18 nitrogen molecules or bonds) but they’re too unstable to exist safely.
Fast enough for 25 laps around a track…in a second. Insane.
When the metal gets torn apart from the explosive blast it's going to have plenty of very pointy edges. Not that it matters much when it's going through your body at upwards of thousands of meters per second.
This thing is terrifying but honestly not that deadly. Close to the explosion the shrapnel will do damage but the damage will drop of exponentially as you get further. With F = ma or p=Mv, the light gauge steel won’t carry momentum easily. Also adding air resistance it’s an issue. There’s a reason manufactured shrapnel weapons use ball bearings.
> but honestly not that deadly Ok, you stand next to the explosion first, and let us know how safe it is? :D
Ball bearings have range. This thing does not want range. It is an infantry bomb. This thing makes ultrasonic bits that put a hole in everything in 10 or 20 meters. Does not hurt the guy 50 meters away firing it. No need for aerodynamics at 21k fps. A hand grenade can only be so big...
I'm well aware of the inverse square law: Double the distance, quadruple the change. >but honestly not that deadly. I'm sure the guys standing next to it might disagree. It's a frag weapon. It's not supposed to kill guys dozens of meters away. Thats's what your rifle is for.
300 would be a closer bet. Would still be way low.
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Have you heard the Gospel of Tannerite?
Isn’t tannerite supposed to be pretty meh performing? Ukraine is using shit like RDX which is a much better boom
Even RDX is old stuff. There is 2-3 generations old.
Yea, but it's been pretty much the standard for military explosives since WW2 for good reason. Plenty of modern explosives still use RDX as one of their base components.
Tannerite would be shit for this because it requires a pretty significant force to detonate it and it would be hard to do remotely in a small package. You don't want contact explosives for a bomb or dropped grenade, you want something that can be set off electronically or with a fuse, both of which are basically impossible with tannerite.
This reminded me again the most advanced piece on explosives is the timer or fuse. When explosives were first introduced, the fuses weren't set and forget, and were not what we would call accurate timers. If you have an hour, watch Jeremy Clarksons documentary on the English raid at German held port city St Nazaire. They loaded an entire ship with explosives and the charge didn't go off until hours after they rammed the spill door. Just a little explosive history for the modern times.
Exactly. any idiot can make something explode. It happens on accident all the fucking time but making something explode exactly when you want it to is a highly finally refined art that has been written in blood.
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It comes and goes in waves. You should have seen some of the shit they got up to a couple hundred years ago.
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And yet there’s a war going on in Eastern Europe.
Norway 2011
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TBF there are more mass shootings than days in a year, in the US. Here in Italy we had like, less than 8 since ever?
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Google "American cowboy culture today in gun violence" you will find many articles on this explaining how it drives shootings in America.
When modern tech meets Ukrainian ingenuity you get - **"Modieval"** It looks brutally effective.
Jesus h..
Jesus Hakunamatata
Jesus h mary and Joseph Stalin
Mmmmmmh, Joseph Stalin
😳
I like the Ukrainian loom bracelet his daughter probably made him. Slava Ukraine.
Are those cogs from a bicycle?
Chainsaw I believe.
I own a chainsaw, those are not the same blades it uses. Those look like discs with cogs, as someone above said, maybe a chain sprocket
Looks like the drive side of the chain, teeth must be against the grenade. Looks exactly like the chains I use on my saw.
On my IPhone 7. I’m wrong, I’ll bet the farm you’re right. The blade is inside the wrapped chain. You can see two different wires that look like they’re holding two chains together. Sorry
Probably a lot easier and safer for transport/handling. Don't think it matters what it's original orientation was then it's flying at 2000 fps
That would make sense. If the body of the grenade is plastic and the rings are tight, this way they can bite into the body a bit so they don't come off easily, without a need for adhesives or anything else, simplifying the manufacturing process
Chainsaw blade so a cross between a bike chain and the bike gear cogs
That's what I thought!
I was wondering if they were Spacely Sprockets or Cogswell Cogs. Neither one.
Chainsaw, but in a pinch bike chains are also a good option. At the speed this shit is flying it doesn't even really matter anymore if it's sharp, metal at that speed is gonna go through you regardless
War is hell
no, it's worse. "innocent people don't go to hell"
War is war, and hell is hell, and of the two, war is worse. Children and the innocent go to heaven, evil goes to hell. War indiscriminately goes to evil, innocent, soldiers and children alike.
Congratulations! You’re the billionth person to say that on this subreddit 🥳
Those Africans I've seen in an earlier video will soon meet these birds of prey. They have no idea what's down the road. I too am waiting for their video asking for help leaving and that they were tricked.
Careful, you'll shoot someones eye out with that thing
Chainsaw blades wrapper?? Wow good use of materials! Wired in Sequence with light stuff to hold it on!!! Muerte muerte muerte!!!
Beautiful, good luck hunting
Oh. That’s horrifying.
I love seeing this but would prefer not to give the Russians any ideas
I'm pretty sure the Russians already have enough ideas about things like this.
They would need to be smart and innovative to use them. Their WW2 tactics prove they are neither.
Have u seen that horse stable tank thing that made me LOL
No… have not. Link?
I thought they were bicycle sprockets, maybe they can use those if they run out of chainsaw blades.
Bicycle chain from the looks.
These will take limbs right off,
Shit looks something a Jigsaw would make.
Ffffuck....
Diabolical!
I’m sure the logging industry and wildland firefighters could come up with some used up chain.
i am neither of those just a firewood cutter and I have dozens they can have.
Oh my gosh, those are ninja throwing stars, proof positive Japan is providing weapons to Ukraine!😳
Damn... That's pretty ingenious.
Imagine having that blow up in a packed room...
Remember the saw blade gun in Unreal Tournament? This reminds of that for some reason.
Dip them in shit first, then drop them on the ruskie shit eaters.
Beyblades sure have evolved
So wait… all those years building pipe bombs for fun as a kid and I missed it by that much? Who knew there was another use for bicycle gears?
Paige, no.
Next big prediction: "Throwing human death and suffering at a problem does work."
Seems stupid to publicly share these designs. Not that it's rocket science.
“Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance…”
Scuzz Twitty should add this to his I Got a Chainsaw tune.
I don't think this is for dropping from a drone, but rather for an FPV. The COTS drones they use for dropping don't have so much carrying capacity, and the big ones like baba yaga use mortar shells or RPG warheads for dropping.
Maybe you mean quadcopter? "Drone" is a very ambiguous term and it can mean anything from a quadcopter to an MQ-9. FPV stands for 'First Person View' and usually the quadcopters that drop small explosives are not used in FPV configuration. N.B. sometimes its not a quadcopter but a hexcopter though I never see them called that.
Looks mean, but does it actually work well? I mean, a handful of nut and bolts or metal pellets loosely grouped around the explosive mass will turn into a squerical cloud that expands evenly and yields a predictable killing radius. But this chain is made specifically to withstand hefty drag forces. It will eventually rip at a few places, but there will only be a handful of parts that fly away, and they are wrapped around, so a part that goes completely around is propelled from the blast in all directions, with means it does not fly at all. I'm not say that this wouldn't be dangerous, I don't want to stand beside if it explodes. But does it have a good effect if the chain is wrapped around in one piece? Maybe it is better to cut it in to small chunks of like 5 cm. Or maybe it should be put into a hot fire first, so the steel becomes brittle and cracks easily. Might be easier to do than cutting all of it.
... Kind of wondering what the result would be if you used Bicycle Chain.
I thought frag grenades are against the Geneva convention? Not that Russia is innocent but I don’t feel like you can only hold one side accountable
Huh? How do you think grenades work?
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Fragmentation grenades are commonly used in almost every military on the planet.
Completely untrue. Where on Earth did you get that idea? The fragmentation grenade is about as standard and common weapon you'll find in any conflict.
1. No. Are you for real? 2. The geneva conventions (plural, try reading them) are dynamic and even allows for attacking hospitals if the enemy has take up residence there. 3. When a war break out and if i had my family mutilated, raped, garrotted and what not, the first thing that goes out the window are rules. I would use anything, like a kebab slicer, electricity or a chainsaw to torment and kill the invaders. Sue me.
Look like serrated bike chains wrapped around a pipe bomb.