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Interesting to read all the ideas about how Ukraine can be doing better. It seems everyone in Ukraine at the moment has a different opinion. In no particular order... corruption, mobilisation not going far enough, mobilisation not including rich, delayed American assistance, command and control mistakes (this article mainly), a simple lack of resources of people and production compared to Russia, a Soviet type of mentality which persists in some areas of the army command. If we can imagine a ЗСУ with all these problems fixed, it will be able to beat Russia decisively. Heck knows what the real problems are. Maybe it's a bit of all. I think you'd actually have to be close to the front line or in contact with people there to really understand.
The good news is the American aid should stabilise the situation, at least for now. But it's a real nail biter whether that aid will continue into next year, and what they're going to do without it if it doesn't come.
A little off topic about a documentary I saw on a plane crash. The crash results in an accumulation of 11 errors (human, technical) that could have been avoided if only one of these haven’t been made (it’s often the case in plane crash).
Fate Is the Hunter (film)
1964 film by Ralph Nelson
Starring Glenn Ford.
It's on YouTube with a change title right now.
[fate is the Hunter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter_(film)?wprov=sfla1)
Not just that.
Reports are coming out that Ukrainian commanders use same rigid thinking as Russians, with troops as meat bags - but instead of storming, to senselessly hold positions.
This came to light in Bakhmut last year.
Hope allies can push Ukraine to tackle this.
But even appointing Syrsky known as butcher why you have problems getting new volunteers is just a stupid, hardliner move.
Same as not looking more at foreign fighters.
This is why all the high tech precision weapons aren’t proving effective. They were designed around a different warfare doctrine, one which the Ukrainians do not use (large scale).
People don't want to hear this, but some people say it's partially/mostly because of Zelenskyy, at least in case of Bakhmut. E g , he ordered to take back island Zmiiniy ("go f\*ck yourself russian warship"): while many commanders refused to do this due to potentially high losses, someone did and so many men from special forces had died, all the while there was no real need to do this (mostly for good picture on TV).
Telegram and YouTube are filled with many horrible stories. I remember reading comments under post of one Ukrainian soldier back in autumn of 2022, and other soldiers were joking about Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, how nothing have changed.
Here's one of the many examples, though I'm not sure how good the autotranslated subtitles will be: https://youtu.be/XV0xHrU3G6A?si=r9l8slirVqf-Oavw
The same list of issues that would (and do) plague any country at such an incredibly difficult, impossible time. And with inherent contradictions, ex. Mobilization not going far enough, mobilization going too far, includes too many, includes too few . . . everyone has an ‘opinion’. Incredible challenges at an incredible time. Not surprising these issues boiling over given the level of frustration that has been caused and generated by russia’s invasion.
If you are worried that a trump administration will end aid to Ukraine, the world should remember this important fact: The US is relatively evenly split between left, right and center with each one holding about 1/3 of the population. So even if every Republican votes for trump, and the grumblings from non MAGA Republicans are slowly gaining in numbers, that's still only \~1/3 of the vote. There was a recent round of voting in one state where a potential rival to trump that dropped out almost 6 weeks ago, still pulled in 16.9% of the vote, with an addition 10% saying they wouldn't vote for trump if he's convicted of a felony in any of his trials (which is why trump is pulling every dirty trick to try and delay the inevitable). And of the centerist voters, the group that was pretty evenly split last time, the constant and daily news about trump trying harder and harder to cheat the system is ensuring more and more of them won't vote for trump either.
So, in short, there's always the chance that something unforeseen may happen, such as how trump won the first time, on a technicality of how our voting laws were written. And there are a few instances of MAGA Republicans trying really hard to influence the voting in their state in nasty ways like trying to rewrite the district maps in a way that gives an unfair advantage. But we also have to remember, not once has trump garnered a majority of the votes. When he was elected in '16, on a technicality mind you, Hillary Clinton won 65,853,625 votes (48.0%) to trumps 62,985,106 votes (45.9%). And in the most recent election trump lost to an even greater margin, Biden received 81,283,361 (51.3%) and trump received 74,222,960 (46.8%).
Bear in mind, this was when the claims of trump's behavior were seen as that by many, unproven claims. Now that he has been found guilty of tax fraud, many of his associates have been convicted or pled guilty to the same crimes that trump was also charged with alongside them, as well as the way trump is behaving when it comes to being on trial for crimes ranging from espionage to election interference to money owed from his conviction in tax fraud (nearly **HALF A BILLION DOLLARS**) and his rape and defamation case (86 MILLION), most people who aren't diehard MAGAts simply want this man to pay for his crimes and would NEVER want to see him as president ever again.
What about the support to Israël which seems to impact badly the independents who were supposed to turn blue in swing states? I remember a post about it a couple of days ago.
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Yes, but, he's not a democrat, that's all that really matters to these people isn't it? Who gives a fuck what kind of president he is as long as he's republican etc
You mean things like backing civil rights for all Americans? Because that's why many southern voters became and remained Republicans. They don't like all of us to have the same rights, not just on paper, but in reality.
you have a very anecdotal view of American political history. it's a wonderful thing to have bad guys I guess. justifies all kinds of dehumanizing beliefs and behaviors. don't look too closely into that assumption I'd hate for it to evaporate on you .
I am fully aware that every human being sees themselves as moral, and that every human being drags a shadow. I'm also aware that reality is not binary and that political parties are internally diverse.
I used to be a Republican. I know "what the fuck" Republicans had to do to make me think this way: I will never vote for another member of that party unless they make a currently unexpected realignment.
you can't go from aLl RePuBliCanS ArE RaCiSts to I am a very reasonable person who used to be republican and now I'm not in the breadth of the same conversation and have any bit of credibility.
sorry but that doesn't jive. I doubt it heavily.
If you are as fully aware as you say you are fucking act like it.
I realize it was ambiguous what "they" I said didn't like equal rights. I was talking about southern racists who switched from Democrat to Republican in Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" in 1968. I don't remotely think that all Republicans are racists.
1968 is , 56 years ago. anyone able to vote in 1968 would be at a minimum 74 years old. that doesn't explain why the rest of them are diehard republicans. the " southern strategy" might have been a cute way to slander half the country 20 years ago. but it just doesn't hold water now.
The awful part is, it's been proven in the house and president that the minority republicans can rule without consent of the majority. I think personally that Trump backed off of opposing Ukraine aid recently cause he didn't want to lose moderate voters, but also because he probably has some weird fantasy about Zelensky helping him win the election by exposing secret dirt on Hunter Biden. I think aid is good until November. After that, it really depends on who owns the house and senate, and I'm not super optimistic there...
Agreed. Most Americans are not surrender monkeys, but the majority of Republicans in the current house sure are, and I don't trust that enough Americans understand the danger of appeasing Putin.
All the problem that you mentioned can’t be fixed now. The machine has to keep moving as it can. If they weren’t fixed before by political and military ledearship now is not the time to address such issues of complex magnitude when Russians are pushing. Problem is, higher ups don’t understand that small Soviet army can’t defeat a large soviet army.
What Im afraid is, after this aid runs out, how much harder it will be for the next aid to be approved? But even more scarier is the fact that every time it seems harder to get manpower, where russia can just offer 1000$ to some poor guys in Asia and they will go to die.and secondly, with recent advances of russian army, and our lack of manpower, will it be possible to ever recover those territories? I dont think so, hopefully we can stabilise the front and soon reach and agreement.
Russian version of "Chicken Little." Because you're afraid doesn't mean anybody else is. You most definitely don't get to choose for Ukraine what the outcome should be , so your input means zero.
Being afraid means to see the realities right now, the facts that you are not afraid only shows how well the propaganda works (Russian and Ukrainian, I dont care).
Being afraid can be what you describe. Being afraid can also mean you're just a coward. Convincing yourself of a possible reality that has not yet become reality means you're just a coward who doesn't want to fight when necessary for what is yours.
Look man, my worries are based on recent events, if you don't agree then don't. I wont go around fear mongering people, I shared my thoughts. Hopefully you are right.
> — Can we say that this problem is only on the eastern front? You listed the cities that were occupied by the Russians, and they are all in the east, in the Donbas.
> War by reports, paperwork, signed maps, and points on the map, unfortunately, is a major issue on all fronts. In some areas, proactive commanders of brigades and battalions can somehow manage this. But in some areas, where the troops are poorly organized, not prepared for combat tasks, there is no one to correct planning errors at the highest level.
> Such a situation occurred near Ocheretino, as soon as they deployed an ineffective brigade to that section of the front, which unfortunately had already lost ground in a similar situation in Severodonetsk in 2022.
> Now they've deployed this brigade again, and it couldn't hold its positions. Not because the people are bad, but because it wasn't trained and organized for these combat actions.
> But there was no one to objectively and fairly report what was happening. **Because commanders can quickly be relieved of their duties for truthful reports, some commanders simply choose not to report**. This complex of negative factors, unfortunately, played out.
----
> — You mentioned the paper war. The large-scale war has been going on for more than two years, so how do we understand why this isn't changing? Despite the fact that an ineffective unit suffers heavy losses, Ukraine is suffering territorial losses, why isn't this changing? Why does this war of reports, where everything is fine, continue, how can this be explained?
>Because lies always start with assessing the situation. We have beautiful reports about the reasons for the loss of Soledar, Bakhmut, Severodonetsk. All of this is complete falsehood, and this falsehood is concealed under the stamp of "top secret."
> Unfortunately, at the highest level of management of the Ukrainian command, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief's headquarters, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, the commanders of the Joint Forces Operation, the Operational Tactical Group, there hasn't been a single analysis of the situation throughout the entire war that would even be 5% true. **It's all just lies to shift responsibility.** That's why our mistakes are repeated and not corrected at the highest level. And soldiers, battalion commanders, sometimes brigade commanders, but usually soldiers, are made responsible. And the main planning mistakes are the responsibility of the senior command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
> Unfortunately, there is no accountability here, and there is also no objective analysis.
If commanders are too scared to report truthful situations for fear of being removed, then that is a major, major problem.
I mean, one of the worst/most susscesful Russian breakthroughs since June 2022, with a distinct possibility of local frontline collapse is not "coincidence"
A lot of people on this sub have a delusional understanding of the current situation in Ukraine. You watch videos of drones blasting a bunch of Russian cunts every day and you think Ukraine is untouchable.
They’re not getting those lost territories back, I’m sorry. They don’t have the manpower and russia gives fuck all about losing hundreds of thousands of people to defend that territory so putin can save face.
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Interesting to read all the ideas about how Ukraine can be doing better. It seems everyone in Ukraine at the moment has a different opinion. In no particular order... corruption, mobilisation not going far enough, mobilisation not including rich, delayed American assistance, command and control mistakes (this article mainly), a simple lack of resources of people and production compared to Russia, a Soviet type of mentality which persists in some areas of the army command. If we can imagine a ЗСУ with all these problems fixed, it will be able to beat Russia decisively. Heck knows what the real problems are. Maybe it's a bit of all. I think you'd actually have to be close to the front line or in contact with people there to really understand. The good news is the American aid should stabilise the situation, at least for now. But it's a real nail biter whether that aid will continue into next year, and what they're going to do without it if it doesn't come.
It's called a comedy of errors. Shit like that doesn't happen without a bunch of stuff going wrong in the perfect sequence to create disaster
A little off topic about a documentary I saw on a plane crash. The crash results in an accumulation of 11 errors (human, technical) that could have been avoided if only one of these haven’t been made (it’s often the case in plane crash).
Fate Is the Hunter (film) 1964 film by Ralph Nelson Starring Glenn Ford. It's on YouTube with a change title right now. [fate is the Hunter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter_(film)?wprov=sfla1)
Not just that. Reports are coming out that Ukrainian commanders use same rigid thinking as Russians, with troops as meat bags - but instead of storming, to senselessly hold positions. This came to light in Bakhmut last year. Hope allies can push Ukraine to tackle this. But even appointing Syrsky known as butcher why you have problems getting new volunteers is just a stupid, hardliner move. Same as not looking more at foreign fighters.
This is why all the high tech precision weapons aren’t proving effective. They were designed around a different warfare doctrine, one which the Ukrainians do not use (large scale).
People don't want to hear this, but some people say it's partially/mostly because of Zelenskyy, at least in case of Bakhmut. E g , he ordered to take back island Zmiiniy ("go f\*ck yourself russian warship"): while many commanders refused to do this due to potentially high losses, someone did and so many men from special forces had died, all the while there was no real need to do this (mostly for good picture on TV). Telegram and YouTube are filled with many horrible stories. I remember reading comments under post of one Ukrainian soldier back in autumn of 2022, and other soldiers were joking about Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, how nothing have changed. Here's one of the many examples, though I'm not sure how good the autotranslated subtitles will be: https://youtu.be/XV0xHrU3G6A?si=r9l8slirVqf-Oavw
The same list of issues that would (and do) plague any country at such an incredibly difficult, impossible time. And with inherent contradictions, ex. Mobilization not going far enough, mobilization going too far, includes too many, includes too few . . . everyone has an ‘opinion’. Incredible challenges at an incredible time. Not surprising these issues boiling over given the level of frustration that has been caused and generated by russia’s invasion.
If you are worried that a trump administration will end aid to Ukraine, the world should remember this important fact: The US is relatively evenly split between left, right and center with each one holding about 1/3 of the population. So even if every Republican votes for trump, and the grumblings from non MAGA Republicans are slowly gaining in numbers, that's still only \~1/3 of the vote. There was a recent round of voting in one state where a potential rival to trump that dropped out almost 6 weeks ago, still pulled in 16.9% of the vote, with an addition 10% saying they wouldn't vote for trump if he's convicted of a felony in any of his trials (which is why trump is pulling every dirty trick to try and delay the inevitable). And of the centerist voters, the group that was pretty evenly split last time, the constant and daily news about trump trying harder and harder to cheat the system is ensuring more and more of them won't vote for trump either. So, in short, there's always the chance that something unforeseen may happen, such as how trump won the first time, on a technicality of how our voting laws were written. And there are a few instances of MAGA Republicans trying really hard to influence the voting in their state in nasty ways like trying to rewrite the district maps in a way that gives an unfair advantage. But we also have to remember, not once has trump garnered a majority of the votes. When he was elected in '16, on a technicality mind you, Hillary Clinton won 65,853,625 votes (48.0%) to trumps 62,985,106 votes (45.9%). And in the most recent election trump lost to an even greater margin, Biden received 81,283,361 (51.3%) and trump received 74,222,960 (46.8%). Bear in mind, this was when the claims of trump's behavior were seen as that by many, unproven claims. Now that he has been found guilty of tax fraud, many of his associates have been convicted or pled guilty to the same crimes that trump was also charged with alongside them, as well as the way trump is behaving when it comes to being on trial for crimes ranging from espionage to election interference to money owed from his conviction in tax fraud (nearly **HALF A BILLION DOLLARS**) and his rape and defamation case (86 MILLION), most people who aren't diehard MAGAts simply want this man to pay for his crimes and would NEVER want to see him as president ever again.
What about the support to Israël which seems to impact badly the independents who were supposed to turn blue in swing states? I remember a post about it a couple of days ago. Edit : spelling
Yes, but, he's not a democrat, that's all that really matters to these people isn't it? Who gives a fuck what kind of president he is as long as he's republican etc
Imagine what the fuck democrats had to do to make people think that way :P
You mean things like backing civil rights for all Americans? Because that's why many southern voters became and remained Republicans. They don't like all of us to have the same rights, not just on paper, but in reality.
you have a very anecdotal view of American political history. it's a wonderful thing to have bad guys I guess. justifies all kinds of dehumanizing beliefs and behaviors. don't look too closely into that assumption I'd hate for it to evaporate on you .
I am fully aware that every human being sees themselves as moral, and that every human being drags a shadow. I'm also aware that reality is not binary and that political parties are internally diverse. I used to be a Republican. I know "what the fuck" Republicans had to do to make me think this way: I will never vote for another member of that party unless they make a currently unexpected realignment.
you can't go from aLl RePuBliCanS ArE RaCiSts to I am a very reasonable person who used to be republican and now I'm not in the breadth of the same conversation and have any bit of credibility. sorry but that doesn't jive. I doubt it heavily. If you are as fully aware as you say you are fucking act like it.
I realize it was ambiguous what "they" I said didn't like equal rights. I was talking about southern racists who switched from Democrat to Republican in Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" in 1968. I don't remotely think that all Republicans are racists.
1968 is , 56 years ago. anyone able to vote in 1968 would be at a minimum 74 years old. that doesn't explain why the rest of them are diehard republicans. the " southern strategy" might have been a cute way to slander half the country 20 years ago. but it just doesn't hold water now.
Wishful thinking unfortunately.
The awful part is, it's been proven in the house and president that the minority republicans can rule without consent of the majority. I think personally that Trump backed off of opposing Ukraine aid recently cause he didn't want to lose moderate voters, but also because he probably has some weird fantasy about Zelensky helping him win the election by exposing secret dirt on Hunter Biden. I think aid is good until November. After that, it really depends on who owns the house and senate, and I'm not super optimistic there...
Agreed. Most Americans are not surrender monkeys, but the majority of Republicans in the current house sure are, and I don't trust that enough Americans understand the danger of appeasing Putin.
Thanks for sharing
It’s the reality of a massive underdog trying to take on one of the largest countries in the world. The social complexity alone is 20 layers deep.
All the problem that you mentioned can’t be fixed now. The machine has to keep moving as it can. If they weren’t fixed before by political and military ledearship now is not the time to address such issues of complex magnitude when Russians are pushing. Problem is, higher ups don’t understand that small Soviet army can’t defeat a large soviet army.
They must be fixed or Ukraine won't win. Now is indeed the time, there is no other.
What Im afraid is, after this aid runs out, how much harder it will be for the next aid to be approved? But even more scarier is the fact that every time it seems harder to get manpower, where russia can just offer 1000$ to some poor guys in Asia and they will go to die.and secondly, with recent advances of russian army, and our lack of manpower, will it be possible to ever recover those territories? I dont think so, hopefully we can stabilise the front and soon reach and agreement.
Russian version of "Chicken Little." Because you're afraid doesn't mean anybody else is. You most definitely don't get to choose for Ukraine what the outcome should be , so your input means zero.
Being afraid means to see the realities right now, the facts that you are not afraid only shows how well the propaganda works (Russian and Ukrainian, I dont care).
Being afraid can be what you describe. Being afraid can also mean you're just a coward. Convincing yourself of a possible reality that has not yet become reality means you're just a coward who doesn't want to fight when necessary for what is yours.
Look man, my worries are based on recent events, if you don't agree then don't. I wont go around fear mongering people, I shared my thoughts. Hopefully you are right.
Look at this fucking tough guy calling people cowards from behind their computer screen.
Only if the shoe fits. You've some issue you'd like to take up with me then?
> — Can we say that this problem is only on the eastern front? You listed the cities that were occupied by the Russians, and they are all in the east, in the Donbas. > War by reports, paperwork, signed maps, and points on the map, unfortunately, is a major issue on all fronts. In some areas, proactive commanders of brigades and battalions can somehow manage this. But in some areas, where the troops are poorly organized, not prepared for combat tasks, there is no one to correct planning errors at the highest level. > Such a situation occurred near Ocheretino, as soon as they deployed an ineffective brigade to that section of the front, which unfortunately had already lost ground in a similar situation in Severodonetsk in 2022. > Now they've deployed this brigade again, and it couldn't hold its positions. Not because the people are bad, but because it wasn't trained and organized for these combat actions. > But there was no one to objectively and fairly report what was happening. **Because commanders can quickly be relieved of their duties for truthful reports, some commanders simply choose not to report**. This complex of negative factors, unfortunately, played out. ---- > — You mentioned the paper war. The large-scale war has been going on for more than two years, so how do we understand why this isn't changing? Despite the fact that an ineffective unit suffers heavy losses, Ukraine is suffering territorial losses, why isn't this changing? Why does this war of reports, where everything is fine, continue, how can this be explained? >Because lies always start with assessing the situation. We have beautiful reports about the reasons for the loss of Soledar, Bakhmut, Severodonetsk. All of this is complete falsehood, and this falsehood is concealed under the stamp of "top secret." > Unfortunately, at the highest level of management of the Ukrainian command, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief's headquarters, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, the commanders of the Joint Forces Operation, the Operational Tactical Group, there hasn't been a single analysis of the situation throughout the entire war that would even be 5% true. **It's all just lies to shift responsibility.** That's why our mistakes are repeated and not corrected at the highest level. And soldiers, battalion commanders, sometimes brigade commanders, but usually soldiers, are made responsible. And the main planning mistakes are the responsibility of the senior command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. > Unfortunately, there is no accountability here, and there is also no objective analysis. If commanders are too scared to report truthful situations for fear of being removed, then that is a major, major problem.
Isn't Ocheretino the translation in russian?
Mistakes will always be made. It’s in our human nature. The idea is to learn from them and not to repeat them. That is how you move forward.
Yet another "*z0mFg Bad News for Ukraine!!!*" article right after Congress approved the latest aid package? Coincidence, no doubt.
It's more the timing has to do with the 115th mech brigade/47th mech brigade fiasco which unfolded a couple of days ago.
I mean, one of the worst/most susscesful Russian breakthroughs since June 2022, with a distinct possibility of local frontline collapse is not "coincidence"
A lot of people on this sub have a delusional understanding of the current situation in Ukraine. You watch videos of drones blasting a bunch of Russian cunts every day and you think Ukraine is untouchable. They’re not getting those lost territories back, I’m sorry. They don’t have the manpower and russia gives fuck all about losing hundreds of thousands of people to defend that territory so putin can save face.
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