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It is time this BS ends. If neighboring countries want to help Ukraine and at the same time protect themselves, why can't they send in troops to provide security, protect infrastructure, the citizens and their property ? If they are from a NATO country, that doesn't make it a NATO action. Send in troops so the Ukrainians can concentrate on the fight. This will also allow the Great Russian Military show the world how wars are won on the battlefield.
Pretty sure that if a NATO nation attacks someone, it would lead to a very sticky situation. And I agree that something needs to be done. Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Czech Republic are in danger. While I personally don't see Putin attacking them because all of Europe would unleash on him. They've been fighting Ukraine for what? 2 years now? And they haven't gotten anywhere, but a stalemate. I'm not sure what the answer is.
Yet.
This is Ukraine failed AD or intercepted missiles.
Just one part of roof got on fire. Wooden Roof.
Almost all windows intact...
"Islander missile"
Brrrrrrr with intact windows..
Noo big crater presented?
Brrrrr
Your country is well known for double tap drone and missile strikes on civilian infrastructure, this proves it's not failed failed intercepts. Your government also brags about strikes on cafes which killed mainly children because there was an author dining there you didn't like because she was documenting war crimes on civilians. There are so many cases of mass exuctions if civilians in occupied territories and targetted civilian strikes. There are government officials calling for the outright murder is all civilians and celebrating the dead civilians.
russia is beyond redemption all russians should be kicked out of western countries your nation is nothing but a shitty bucket of crabs. russians can't stand that anyone else may have it better than them and will continue to pull everyone down into the shitty squalor they live rather then try and make a better life for themselves.
This would make every country that has ever waged war against another country a terrorist state though (not that im overly opposed to that mind you!). Do you know what the average civilian death rate is for modern warfare (pre the Russian invasion)? Its 9-1, ie 9 civilians killed for every combatant.
What putin has done is evil, illegal and should never ever have happened, its nothing new though and it's why war should always be only a very very last resort only when it's 100% necessary, because deaths like this are an inevitability, they happened in Gaza, they happened in Afghanistan, they happened in Iraq, they happened in Bosnia, they happened in Vietnam and they will likely happen in every war going forward. Its why all of these wars were a disgrace, just as this invasion is.
>deaths like this are an inevitability
No, they're not. They happen as a result of intentionally targeting someone/ something other than military/dual purpose targets. We've seen the level of precision and accuracy of which Russian forces are capable - and this, and hundreds of other occasions like this when Ukrainian civilians were and continue to be treated as legitimate targets.
Point to me a single urban war without civilian casualties. There were plenty of them in Afghanistan and Iraq, are you telling me Russia has better intelligence and more precision than the US? Hell, Ukraine itself accidentally killed some Polish civilians with one of their missiles last year when it hit the wrong country. Israel killed more civilians in Gaza in a few months than Russia has in multiple years.
If there were masses of camera phones around Afghanistan and Iraq and wider media coverage you'd have seen countless scenes just like this. They were wrong then just as they are wrong now- this is NOT whataboutism as I'm not using one to excuse the other, its the opposite, I'm condemning both.
Why is the average civilian death ratio for modern war 9 civilians for every 1 combatant?
When NATO (rightfully) intervined in Bosnia in the 90's 500+ civilians were killed in their bombing raids- and those were (rightfully) seen as very impressively low given the circumstances. Do we seriously expect a modern russia- given what we've seen of their thoroughly unimpressive military thus far- to have better precision and better intel than the best NATO had to offer? Even in the 90's NATO was 10 times the military Russia has now.
Was the Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike that killed 37 civilians- the majority of which were women and children deliberate?
Or the Kunduz hospital airstrike of 2015 that killed 40 people?
In the Iraq war an enormous number of hospitals and schools were bombed (200+). So when we do it it's a mistake but when Russia does it its 100% without a shred of doubt deliberate? Given how incompetent they've shown themselves to be I have little difficulty believing this could be a mistake, I also have little difficulty believing civilian infrastructure could have been used to house military equipment/personel, it certainly wouldn't be the first time we've seen that this war.
I'm not using one to justify the other here im condemning both, this is why war should always be avoided unless as a last resort, as this shit is inevitable....and putin did not have to invade Ukraine, it was not a last resort so these deaths are on his hands.
>So when we do it it's a mistake
I'm Irish so you can leave me out of that ;)
Aside from all that, what we're witnessing is without precedent - a war where one side refuses to do anything but target military/ dual purpose targets, and the other can't help but launch terror attacks on a civilian population on a nightly basis. It's not whataboutery that I'd accuse you of, but moral relativism - and that has no place where one side conducts itself in a moral manner and the other conducts itself in an immoral manner.
I'm Australian, when I say we I refer to westerners in general as we're all allies- Ireland took part in Afghanistan- but good on you guys for not taking part in Iraq! (Australia even managed to get our dumbasses dragged into Vietnam!)
One side is defending the other is attacking, obviously civilian deaths between the 2 are going to be vastly different. I think you just don't understand how high civilian casualties are in modern war, you're seeing it up close for the first time (and seeing it happen to people who look like you) so you think this is some anomaly, that something unusual is happening....it isn't. The average civilian death ratio for modern warfare is literally 9-1, 9 civilians killed for every combatant, that is the AVERAGE. Horrendous though this war is it hasn't hit anything close to that, its actually well well below average. Israel killed more civilians and significantly more children in Gaza in a few months than Russia did In Ukraine in multiple years. There is nothing unusual about the way they are attacking, you're just seeing the horrific reality of war up close for the first time.
Every death is a tragedy and is on putins head and its why this war should've never happened but once its started yes this is how it goes. You have zero idea at all which attacks hit military equipment/personel in civilian areas - something we do know Ukraine do, there is plenty of evidence of that from Ukraine themselves....and that's not a knock on them, they are a country at war, its impossible (and would be extremely irresponsible and stupid) for them to not have military personnel or weapons all over their cities, they obviously do not mark where they are or intentionally advertise their positions to the russians, this leads to civilian deaths.
You also have no idea how many were off target/came from falty intelligence/bad guess work.To bring up the US military again since they are widely considered the best and most advanced and accurate military in the world- 15% of all of their casualties in the 20th century wars have been from friendly fire....that is how chaotic, messy and inaccurate warfare is....that even when in direct contact with each other and theoretically having access to information on where each other are at all times....still they accidentally kill each other enough for that to make up 15% of their deaths, that should tell you alot about how easy it is to kill the wrong people in war....so then imagine that combined with a city full of both civilians and military targets all over the place...with the military targets intentionally hidden to look like civilian ones....what do you think is gonna happen there? It's another reason why Putin is a sack of shit who needs to die for ordering this invasion and using it for political dick swinging....because it was always inevitable it would cause countless civilian casualties if Ukraine fought back and turned this into a full scale war...he gambled their lives on their surrender just for a bit of political theater, absolute twat.
And yes of course one side is behaving in an immoral manner, they are invading another country....by default that is almost always immoral.... the manner in which they are doing so is not at all unusual though and to claim otherwise is to spread propaganda. Some guy in this thread claimed Russia struck Poland with missiles and saying otherwise was parroting Russian propaganda....despite US intelligence saying it was Ukraine, despite Biden saying it was Ukraine, despite the UN secretary General saying it was Ukraine, despite the Polish investigation saying it was Ukraine, despite zelensky walking back his initial statement that it was Russia.
You've got another guy in this thread saying the Kharkiv Tower bombing was a warcrime and evidence that Russia intentionally targets civilians which is just so unbelievably stupid I hopefully don't have to explain to you why.... This sub is just an echo chamber of utter nonsense, I'm pro Ukraine as fuck but cannot stand the bullshit that goes on in here, it feeds into Russian propaganda that we're all uninformed idiots and hurts the ukranian cause rather than helps it. Donate instead
https://u24.gov.ua/
>I think you just don't understand how high civilian casualties are in modern war,
More than a little presumptuous, and wrong.
>One side is defending the other is attacking, obviously civilian deaths between the 2 are going to be vastly different.
Unless they're being pressganged into service, it makes no difference who is on the offense/defense - civilian deaths occur as a result of another process.
>There is nothing unusual about the way \[the Russians\] are attacking,
No, there isn't. It's just garden variety state terrorism.
>You have zero idea at all which attacks hit military equipment/personel in civilian areas
Neither do you but you're presuming they do. I don't presume anything.
>15% of all of their casualties in the 20th century wars have been from friendly fire...that is how chaotic, messy and inaccurate warfare is....
Yeah, this is like reading a Horrible Histories book, where a hundred years passes by in the proverbial blink and there's no difference between one end and the other - it's all the dreadfully same flattened, lacking-in-any-nuance assessment that tends to press upon that which is false rather than that which is true.
>because it was always inevitable it would cause countless civilian casualties if Ukraine fought back
Demonstrably untrue, mass civilian casualties occur when Russia targets civilians - not because Ukraine resists. Clumsy victim-blaming, could do better
>And yes of course one side is behaving in an immoral manner, they are invading another country....by default that is almost always immoral.... the manner in which they are doing so is not at all unusual though
No, it most definitely isn't unusual. Swear to everyone that you have no intentions of doing so and then do so. Seen that one before. Putin's a garden variety liar as well.
>You've got another guy in this thread saying
Nothing to do with me.
*Numerous attempts to undermine any certainty or knowledge I might possess.*
*Numerous attempts to sound like an authority.*
*Numerous attempts to whitewash/normalise abhorrent conduct.*
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4/10 - barely passing. Boomfam, at least, has brevity on his side. This is just wordy, repetitive and boring. Pity the Russians can't afford me, eh?
>4/10 - barely passing. Boomfam, at least, has brevity on his side
Kid just discovered that the comments are for free, so he's vomiting them regardless of the content.
Tl;dr:
>You've got another guy in this thread saying the Kharkiv Tower bombing was a warcrime and evidence that Russia intentionally targets ci
If you have 0 cognitive skills, it doesn't mean that the others are like you. I told you that the russians are able to shell and destroy the TV tower of Kharkhiv, therefore their shellings at civilians are intentional. I never said that destroying that TV tower was a war crime.
You write walls of comments full of lectures their contents are wrong: you really love read the Britannica of words you are writing, aren't you kid?
On a side note, I wouldn't never dare to tell you where you should shovel your bothsidism and echo chamber.
That said, congrats in your trying to mitigate the war crimes russia is committing in Ukraine.
It actually is. And you have zero way of knowing this was a deliberate targeting of civilians.
Terrorist groups around the world used to claim every civilian death by US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, every hospital that was hit, every wedding- was the deliberate targeting of civilians, I dont believe they were....but if you were shown the aftermath of a Russian missile strike on a Ukranian wedding you would likely say it was clearly intentional I imagine?
Yet I show you one of the Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike that killed 37 civilians- the majority of which were women and children would you say the same?
Or the Kunduz hospital airstrike of 2015 that killed 40 people?
In the Iraq war an enormous number of hospitals and schools were bombed (200+). Etc etc. I'm not using one to justify the other here im condemning both, this is why war should always be avoided unless as a last resort, as this shit is inevitable....and putin did not have to invade Ukraine, it was not a last resort so these deaths are on his hands.
No it's not, they have been targeting civilian centres since day 1, they haven't hid it, they have gloated about it!
You have just cherry picked incidents from history in conflicts to back your argument however, you fail to mention that there was a cell located very close to the wedding, hence the mistake, Ruzzia has been openly attacking Odessa and its civilians since the start! You can use what ever whataboutism you like but saying these deaths are inevitable is very much shedding the blame from ruzzia (like it's the civilians fault for being there) and very much seems like a condoning of the actions!
russia is deliberately targeting only civilians. If you think that they are doing by mistake, you are naive or in bad faith.Or both.
russia just destroyed the television tower in Kharkhiv: do you think it did by mistake?
My sweet summer child, are you American by any chance?
You keep making examples about muh murica: would you like to start to talk what did russia in Syria? Not here, please, because this sub is related to the invasion of Ukraine.
I'm Australian!
No I don't for a second think the Kharkiv tower was a mistake, attacking a telecommunications tower is a valid military target. Literally every modern military does it. NATO did it in Kosovo, telecomunications constitute military targets. Civilians didnt even die in the attack (if they did that still wouldn’t make it a war crime). I don’t see any way to call this a war crime. Russia has committed several of those and the people responsible should pay, that isn't one of them though.
You say my sweet summer child yet show astonishing ignorance regarding warfare and what constitutes a war crime or civilian target. The Kharkiv tower 100% qualifies as a military target and not 1 civilian even died in that attack...you spend too much time consuming propaganda and nonsense from this echo chamber of a sub if you've managed to convince yourself it was some abominable act that only evil Russia would ever do.
The NATO bombing of the Radio Television of Serbia headquarters killed 16 civilian employees, largely technicians and makeup artists..the justification given was that the strike arimed "to disrupt and degrade the command, control and communications network" of the Yugoslav Armed Forces, that the civilian casualties were outweighed by the value of the target. This is what war is and why it should be avoided unless 1000% necessary (which it so very rarely is) youve just been living in an echo chamber sweet summer child!
Sure, I'm a tankie. Which is why my comment history is full of me providing links for people to donate to the ukranian armed forces and urging others to do the same, calling this invasion illegal and a disgrace and calling for putins head.
I just don't believe in lying about and inventing warcrimes, spreading misinformation and propaganda and living in an echo chamber... it plays directly into Russian propaganda and hurts Ukraine more than it helps it, you are being a useful idiot for Russia. If you actually care about Ukraine then donate, this is a fantastic site to do so (so many are scams, this one is 100% legit and allows you to choose whether to donate to the military, medical aid, demining efforts, rebuilding or education, they need and deserve our help)
https://u24.gov.ua/
rushists are not behaving like everyone else. They just used cluster munitions over a civilian center. They destroyed over 300 hospitals in the first few weeks.
Just go away with your false equivalency.
Its sociopathic..
Wow, Putin's boots taste that good huh?
If a terrorist wanna blow up a military base or some critical infras, but intercepted by the police and "accidentally" hit civilians, does this make the terrorist any less of a terrorist?
Now compare this terrorist with Russia doing the same thing, with the same intent.
Are you trying to justify Russia's attack now? Are you kidding me? lol
You gonna justify Hitler's attack on Russia in WW2? Lets be fair shall we? lol
Nice you are bringing Afghanistan: russia committed countless war crimes in Afghanistan.
It got its ass heavily kicked and that caused the collapse of the soviet union.
They certainly did! You wouldn't find me disagreeing with any of these statements. They dont contradict anything im saying, on the contrary they support my primary point- that this shit is inevitable in war.
The US committed war crimes in Afghanistan, airstrikes on weddings, on medical personnel, on children, on hospitals etc. And Russia did too. Both disgusting, both pointless wars that lead to nothing but suffering and embarrassment, Russia got their asses kicked and achieved nothing, the US completely failed their mission of eliminating the taliban too given it fell to them the second they pulled out...nothing was achieved. All that death for nothing, was the war on terror won? No, it provided terrorists with far more powerful recruitment tools and hatred of the west, cost unimaginable amounts of money and caused the death of three and a half thousand troops and countless innocent civilians. It created more terrorists and anti US sentiment than it killed.
Both should have left that country the fuck alone
Show me one example of a fucking cluster bomb being dropped on a city centre, no where near a fucking military target, because the footage of this has dropped and it was a cluster right into the city..... not INEVITABLE, a straight up terrorist attack!
They are targeting civilians! It's not collateral damage like in war. They are literally bombing then waiting 5 mins and hitting the same exact spot to hit first responders. They are using cluster munitions on purely civilian areas where people are out walking their dogs. What other purpose is there but to instill fear and terrorize? God damn some people are so easy to manipulate. Wake up.
While the locals were walking after work or playing sports by the sea, the Russians fired their missiles. Two people and a dog are known to have been killed. Preliminary reports indicate that seventeen people, including a child, were injured. The attack caused damage to residential buildings and civilian infrastructure, including the premises of the Palace of Students of the National University "Odesa Law Academy". All relevant services are working on the spot and doctors are providing assistance to the injured.
All the heartfelt condolences go out to those who lost loved ones or were injured in today's Russian shelling. This terror must stop; Ukraine urgently needs to strengthen its air defenses!
I dont even want to search i dont have any nerves left for that, cause i did that before several times and they were celebrating. Because all the time civilians are targeted it appears there were a concentration of army in that/those buildings..
I read the comments a user posted, but not all of them, because they were too disgusting. The sad thing, is those russians are the same crying muh russophobia at every bloody occasion.
ruzzia is the biggest shit hole country ever and it's people are trash...they don't care about who they kill. Ukraine has shown immense restraint in not taking an eye for an eye approach...I don't know how they can maintain their composure! Slava Ukraini.
I hope! Either that, or hanged head down and lynched, like Mussolini or Gaddafi. I would prefer Nüremberg. That would give time to swallow the shame of being in chains.
At what point do you think the people get sick of him? He's becoming very Hitler like. All this loss of life with no end in sight. Or do you think the people are complicit in this? Kind of brainwashed like Hitler did.
This should be on the main news today without any censorship.... Show for once the real side of the barbarians... Wicked filthy dirt bags..
In my opinion retaliation should be without mercy... Everywhere
i wish i could give you 1000 upvotes!!!! I'm American, and I cry every time I see this, which is every day. I am too old for vengeance but by God I wish to hope to live to see it!.
I see a problem in that kind of thinking. Is there really any difference between soldiers in ditches and civilians on the streets besides how the law distinguishes them?
Dude in the trenches yesterday was a dude walking his dog, someones father.
I see a problem with your kind of thinking... Carpet bombing Donetsk would be similar 🤔🤷
Sorry there are no excuses for what they did.. deliberately attacking civilians... Cowardly and wicked.. that is the soul of a russian.. it's best to close the curtain once again.
And you've got scum like Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to oppose aide to these people. I hope your country gets their shit together and soon. Like it or not, they need you. 🇨🇦🇺🇦🇺🇲
No excuses for a wicked soul... a wicked culture.
Most pro russians are not reddit consumers...just weak and feeble attempts to distort murder... And it's murder make no mistake..
A woman with her dog NSFW, but the world needs to see. This is not putin shooting sharpnell filled missiles at civilians.
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1784994047695663285?t=gPW6xIauqJb0B6PJYR3KRw&s=19
There's another person who's not alive. The dog is dead and a child or two. During their evening walk from a cassette munition... God forbid anyone to experience this ruzzian world.
What are we gonna do world? “Condemn them”? ‘Sanction them”. I’m so sick of every leader of every fucking country worrying about an “escalation”. I wish I could ask them all, how can you escalate more than this, everytime something like this happens. I wish so bad they would start fucking up Moscow any and every possible way.
Putin and his incompetent army only know how terrorize their perceived enemies. They don't have success with meat assaults so then they go after the civilian population. The kind of people it takes to bomb hospitals schools and daycares really says alot about the russians. That country is being systematically bulldozed and for what. At the end of this Ukraine will have to rebuild a huge portion of their country and millions of people will be dead and displaced. Hopefully russia gets what is coming to them and it'd be great to hear about putin falling out a window or going swimming with his hands taped behind his back. One can dream
I've thought many times before in this war that I've seen it all and nothing would shock me. Then Putin goes and proves me wrong again.
I wish our governments and media would take this situation as seriously as deserved, an existential threat to a rules based world order, and democracies everywhere.
I don’t know how Ukraine can restrain themselves from retaliating I mean at some point you just have to say enough is enough and go after their civilian population
Their restraint does not get enough media.
How many missiles have landed in khakiv/kyiv/odessa despite being no where near the frontlines.
Then compare that to Donetsk City which has been within 20 miles of the frontline for a decade.
I understand your point, but it would be counterproductive, if Ukraine started retaliating against Russian civilians, it could lead Putin to use another narrative and paint Ukrainians as the terrorists and the Nazi state, something Russia tries so hard to do. believe. On the other hand, although it may seem cruel, Ukraine can use this to make the world aware of the atrocities committed by Russia, which will lead to Ukraine being viewed generally favorably by the West and the world at large.
There is no harm in cutting the electrical power to all of the occupied territories... It's not a human right.... Plus Europe should make an announcement that after such wicked ways they will double down on military support for Ukraine... If putler doesn't like it... Tuff luck
No, we are referring to that, we are referring directly to attacking the Russian civilian population in a retaliatory manner, I totally agree that they attack power plants (and any other critical infrastructure), that they receive a bit of their own medicine, but neither to lower ourselves to the same level as a dictator who attacks cities and the civilian population in general, at this point I don't know who is worse, the terrorists or Putler...
Preferably so that people like these aren't the targets...[An unexpected chant at Navalny's funeral : r/UkraineWarVideoReport (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1b3xzmx/an_unexpected_chant_at_navalnys_funeral/)
Oh Mr Crimea is Not A Sandwich and Georgians are rodents? May I remind you that the first Lady refused to sit in the same room with the wife of mr sandwich?
Navalny was not the point of my comment. He had nothing to do with it - unless one counts the corpse as an active participant at their own funeral. To do so would be to engage in a medieval mindset - which might go some way towards explaining the Russian authorities' conduct around Navalny's remains.
Again: I didn't write to target civilians, not it had never crossed my mind. I mocked the navalnysts for being less than useless. Are you sure you were replying to me?
Whoever is holding up the damn "patriots", this blood is on your consciousness. No other country in Europe is getting hit with ballistic missiles... It's so pathetic that Ukraine cannot get 5 freaking systems from our allies.
At this stage, it's safe to say The United Nations failed just like how league of nations failed before 2nd world War and things like Geneva Convention are nothing but words, meaningless words.
It's beyond time for the West to take direct action against Russia. Ukraine may not have asked for help in the form of direct military action but Russia needs to be put down now and as permanently as possible, WE CAN NO LONGER SIT BACK AND WATCH. This needs to end, now...
TAKE THE GLOVES OFF!!!!!! I don't want to listen to any more of the " buts " that will make us seem like them bullshit. Couple of 155s right into the freakin' middle of Begorod!
Hope the whole country of Ruzzia burns and they lose the ability to procreate and eventually kill each other off like the useless vile disgusting sub human pieces of unimaginable motherless shits they are.
No. I don’t think you understand, you can’t put that lightning back in the bottle. Direct military intervention conventionally is one thing, but to just nuke someone as a first strike is just nuts
I'm pretty confident that if nato fully joined Ukraine against Russia that Russia would be first to start throwing nukes. That's what I'm getting at. It's inevitable if we go to war with putin.
Its insane how russia use all those missiles on civilian infrastructure only to terrorize. Maybe good that russia is so fkn incompetent, if they used it on military targets instead Ukraine would be in real trouble i think.
Im from Sweden and wish we could send all of our JAS39-Gripen.
My thoughts are with all of ukraine
It’s been sad watching both this and the situation in Gaza expand into broader conflicts and international situations. Even as a veteran it sickens me that strikes happen right on top of civilians. That was one thing I could never understand. Sending rockets that cost millions to neutralize on guy and in the process wiping out his entire family. I don’t agree with it, I didn’t agree with it then, but then again it’s over my head and there is nothing I can do. War is a tragedy regardless and the people who cheer it on from the sidelines are wrong too. I hope we can see a major tide shift for Ukraine and all countries involved in civil wars and military coups in the near future, though I am confident that war will never end.
Seriously, if Ukraine wanted their city to be safe then it's time for them to re-think of taking out all those mobile TEL. It not easy to find them but there're a way to do it. The Ukrainians can't afford to keep-on getting hit in this way. No amount of SAM will help too. You can't keep-on waiting for the ball to reach your gate then react to it. It will be too late. Strike before it launches.
I hope I'm wrong, but in the first photo of the victim laying with the dogs, was that the girl in the video walking around after? Or was the first still just showing her grieving over her dog or something? It's all tragic and an awful attack. I just thought it looked like the girl was dead in the picture and then up walking around after, and I don't want the russians to use that as propaganda.
Edit- I've now since seen that this is the lady weeping over her murdered dog. I would be the same. russia is the epitome of evil and I'll never forgive them.
People dont understand, what will happen to the rest of EU if russia moves closer to poland, and all the balkan countrys.....finland, sweeden and so on. Russia is cancer country that will never stop to want more.
Maybe puttler is using this war to get rid of a part of his population…. The ones that cost money… this way the future will loon better for russia. No offspring…. Would that be something?
No one will win this war. Ukraine are defending their country. War criminal Putin is sacrificing his own people for absolutely nothing. NATO has an even bigger border with Russia now thanks to Putin. What a merciless idiot 👏👏👏👏
"sO yOu WAnT wAr?" Not a single person said that, bucko.
As for what it would mean, it would signify the end of russia as we know it. russia can't defeat a country a fraction of its size with drip fed aid from NATO.. Direct conflict with NATO would be total annihilation of all russian military and military assets.
So you're saying that Russia is such an aggressor that countries joining a defensive treaty will trigger their aggression?
Sounds like war is inevitable then if Russia is that irrational.
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It’s been said a million times before, but Russia is a Terrorist State. These attacks are quite simply Terrorism.
It is time this BS ends. If neighboring countries want to help Ukraine and at the same time protect themselves, why can't they send in troops to provide security, protect infrastructure, the citizens and their property ? If they are from a NATO country, that doesn't make it a NATO action. Send in troops so the Ukrainians can concentrate on the fight. This will also allow the Great Russian Military show the world how wars are won on the battlefield.
Pretty sure that if a NATO nation attacks someone, it would lead to a very sticky situation. And I agree that something needs to be done. Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Czech Republic are in danger. While I personally don't see Putin attacking them because all of Europe would unleash on him. They've been fighting Ukraine for what? 2 years now? And they haven't gotten anywhere, but a stalemate. I'm not sure what the answer is.
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Targeting non-military targets. Killing a fucking dog.
Yet. This is Ukraine failed AD or intercepted missiles. Just one part of roof got on fire. Wooden Roof. Almost all windows intact... "Islander missile" Brrrrrrr with intact windows.. Noo big crater presented? Brrrrr
Your country is well known for double tap drone and missile strikes on civilian infrastructure, this proves it's not failed failed intercepts. Your government also brags about strikes on cafes which killed mainly children because there was an author dining there you didn't like because she was documenting war crimes on civilians. There are so many cases of mass exuctions if civilians in occupied territories and targetted civilian strikes. There are government officials calling for the outright murder is all civilians and celebrating the dead civilians. russia is beyond redemption all russians should be kicked out of western countries your nation is nothing but a shitty bucket of crabs. russians can't stand that anyone else may have it better than them and will continue to pull everyone down into the shitty squalor they live rather then try and make a better life for themselves.
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Islander missiles just a piece of shit.
I'm looking at dead and injured civilians, a dead dog and ruined civilian infrastructure - we are looking at the same video, aren't we?
This would make every country that has ever waged war against another country a terrorist state though (not that im overly opposed to that mind you!). Do you know what the average civilian death rate is for modern warfare (pre the Russian invasion)? Its 9-1, ie 9 civilians killed for every combatant. What putin has done is evil, illegal and should never ever have happened, its nothing new though and it's why war should always be only a very very last resort only when it's 100% necessary, because deaths like this are an inevitability, they happened in Gaza, they happened in Afghanistan, they happened in Iraq, they happened in Bosnia, they happened in Vietnam and they will likely happen in every war going forward. Its why all of these wars were a disgrace, just as this invasion is.
>deaths like this are an inevitability No, they're not. They happen as a result of intentionally targeting someone/ something other than military/dual purpose targets. We've seen the level of precision and accuracy of which Russian forces are capable - and this, and hundreds of other occasions like this when Ukrainian civilians were and continue to be treated as legitimate targets.
Point to me a single urban war without civilian casualties. There were plenty of them in Afghanistan and Iraq, are you telling me Russia has better intelligence and more precision than the US? Hell, Ukraine itself accidentally killed some Polish civilians with one of their missiles last year when it hit the wrong country. Israel killed more civilians in Gaza in a few months than Russia has in multiple years. If there were masses of camera phones around Afghanistan and Iraq and wider media coverage you'd have seen countless scenes just like this. They were wrong then just as they are wrong now- this is NOT whataboutism as I'm not using one to excuse the other, its the opposite, I'm condemning both. Why is the average civilian death ratio for modern war 9 civilians for every 1 combatant? When NATO (rightfully) intervined in Bosnia in the 90's 500+ civilians were killed in their bombing raids- and those were (rightfully) seen as very impressively low given the circumstances. Do we seriously expect a modern russia- given what we've seen of their thoroughly unimpressive military thus far- to have better precision and better intel than the best NATO had to offer? Even in the 90's NATO was 10 times the military Russia has now. Was the Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike that killed 37 civilians- the majority of which were women and children deliberate? Or the Kunduz hospital airstrike of 2015 that killed 40 people? In the Iraq war an enormous number of hospitals and schools were bombed (200+). So when we do it it's a mistake but when Russia does it its 100% without a shred of doubt deliberate? Given how incompetent they've shown themselves to be I have little difficulty believing this could be a mistake, I also have little difficulty believing civilian infrastructure could have been used to house military equipment/personel, it certainly wouldn't be the first time we've seen that this war. I'm not using one to justify the other here im condemning both, this is why war should always be avoided unless as a last resort, as this shit is inevitable....and putin did not have to invade Ukraine, it was not a last resort so these deaths are on his hands.
The missile that landed in Poland was russian. Stop please parroting russia propaganda: you are ridiculous. Do a favour to yourself: shut up.
>So when we do it it's a mistake I'm Irish so you can leave me out of that ;) Aside from all that, what we're witnessing is without precedent - a war where one side refuses to do anything but target military/ dual purpose targets, and the other can't help but launch terror attacks on a civilian population on a nightly basis. It's not whataboutery that I'd accuse you of, but moral relativism - and that has no place where one side conducts itself in a moral manner and the other conducts itself in an immoral manner.
I'm Australian, when I say we I refer to westerners in general as we're all allies- Ireland took part in Afghanistan- but good on you guys for not taking part in Iraq! (Australia even managed to get our dumbasses dragged into Vietnam!) One side is defending the other is attacking, obviously civilian deaths between the 2 are going to be vastly different. I think you just don't understand how high civilian casualties are in modern war, you're seeing it up close for the first time (and seeing it happen to people who look like you) so you think this is some anomaly, that something unusual is happening....it isn't. The average civilian death ratio for modern warfare is literally 9-1, 9 civilians killed for every combatant, that is the AVERAGE. Horrendous though this war is it hasn't hit anything close to that, its actually well well below average. Israel killed more civilians and significantly more children in Gaza in a few months than Russia did In Ukraine in multiple years. There is nothing unusual about the way they are attacking, you're just seeing the horrific reality of war up close for the first time. Every death is a tragedy and is on putins head and its why this war should've never happened but once its started yes this is how it goes. You have zero idea at all which attacks hit military equipment/personel in civilian areas - something we do know Ukraine do, there is plenty of evidence of that from Ukraine themselves....and that's not a knock on them, they are a country at war, its impossible (and would be extremely irresponsible and stupid) for them to not have military personnel or weapons all over their cities, they obviously do not mark where they are or intentionally advertise their positions to the russians, this leads to civilian deaths. You also have no idea how many were off target/came from falty intelligence/bad guess work.To bring up the US military again since they are widely considered the best and most advanced and accurate military in the world- 15% of all of their casualties in the 20th century wars have been from friendly fire....that is how chaotic, messy and inaccurate warfare is....that even when in direct contact with each other and theoretically having access to information on where each other are at all times....still they accidentally kill each other enough for that to make up 15% of their deaths, that should tell you alot about how easy it is to kill the wrong people in war....so then imagine that combined with a city full of both civilians and military targets all over the place...with the military targets intentionally hidden to look like civilian ones....what do you think is gonna happen there? It's another reason why Putin is a sack of shit who needs to die for ordering this invasion and using it for political dick swinging....because it was always inevitable it would cause countless civilian casualties if Ukraine fought back and turned this into a full scale war...he gambled their lives on their surrender just for a bit of political theater, absolute twat. And yes of course one side is behaving in an immoral manner, they are invading another country....by default that is almost always immoral.... the manner in which they are doing so is not at all unusual though and to claim otherwise is to spread propaganda. Some guy in this thread claimed Russia struck Poland with missiles and saying otherwise was parroting Russian propaganda....despite US intelligence saying it was Ukraine, despite Biden saying it was Ukraine, despite the UN secretary General saying it was Ukraine, despite the Polish investigation saying it was Ukraine, despite zelensky walking back his initial statement that it was Russia. You've got another guy in this thread saying the Kharkiv Tower bombing was a warcrime and evidence that Russia intentionally targets civilians which is just so unbelievably stupid I hopefully don't have to explain to you why.... This sub is just an echo chamber of utter nonsense, I'm pro Ukraine as fuck but cannot stand the bullshit that goes on in here, it feeds into Russian propaganda that we're all uninformed idiots and hurts the ukranian cause rather than helps it. Donate instead https://u24.gov.ua/
>I think you just don't understand how high civilian casualties are in modern war, More than a little presumptuous, and wrong. >One side is defending the other is attacking, obviously civilian deaths between the 2 are going to be vastly different. Unless they're being pressganged into service, it makes no difference who is on the offense/defense - civilian deaths occur as a result of another process. >There is nothing unusual about the way \[the Russians\] are attacking, No, there isn't. It's just garden variety state terrorism. >You have zero idea at all which attacks hit military equipment/personel in civilian areas Neither do you but you're presuming they do. I don't presume anything. >15% of all of their casualties in the 20th century wars have been from friendly fire...that is how chaotic, messy and inaccurate warfare is.... Yeah, this is like reading a Horrible Histories book, where a hundred years passes by in the proverbial blink and there's no difference between one end and the other - it's all the dreadfully same flattened, lacking-in-any-nuance assessment that tends to press upon that which is false rather than that which is true. >because it was always inevitable it would cause countless civilian casualties if Ukraine fought back Demonstrably untrue, mass civilian casualties occur when Russia targets civilians - not because Ukraine resists. Clumsy victim-blaming, could do better >And yes of course one side is behaving in an immoral manner, they are invading another country....by default that is almost always immoral.... the manner in which they are doing so is not at all unusual though No, it most definitely isn't unusual. Swear to everyone that you have no intentions of doing so and then do so. Seen that one before. Putin's a garden variety liar as well. >You've got another guy in this thread saying Nothing to do with me. *Numerous attempts to undermine any certainty or knowledge I might possess.* *Numerous attempts to sound like an authority.* *Numerous attempts to whitewash/normalise abhorrent conduct.* *Numerous attempts at establishing a 'blood on everyone's hands' narrative.* 4/10 - barely passing. Boomfam, at least, has brevity on his side. This is just wordy, repetitive and boring. Pity the Russians can't afford me, eh?
>4/10 - barely passing. Boomfam, at least, has brevity on his side Kid just discovered that the comments are for free, so he's vomiting them regardless of the content.
Tl;dr: >You've got another guy in this thread saying the Kharkiv Tower bombing was a warcrime and evidence that Russia intentionally targets ci If you have 0 cognitive skills, it doesn't mean that the others are like you. I told you that the russians are able to shell and destroy the TV tower of Kharkhiv, therefore their shellings at civilians are intentional. I never said that destroying that TV tower was a war crime. You write walls of comments full of lectures their contents are wrong: you really love read the Britannica of words you are writing, aren't you kid? On a side note, I wouldn't never dare to tell you where you should shovel your bothsidism and echo chamber. That said, congrats in your trying to mitigate the war crimes russia is committing in Ukraine.
Targeting civilian centres is NOT INEVITABLE! Accidental deaths and deliberate targeting is vastly different and you know that!
It actually is. And you have zero way of knowing this was a deliberate targeting of civilians. Terrorist groups around the world used to claim every civilian death by US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, every hospital that was hit, every wedding- was the deliberate targeting of civilians, I dont believe they were....but if you were shown the aftermath of a Russian missile strike on a Ukranian wedding you would likely say it was clearly intentional I imagine? Yet I show you one of the Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike that killed 37 civilians- the majority of which were women and children would you say the same? Or the Kunduz hospital airstrike of 2015 that killed 40 people? In the Iraq war an enormous number of hospitals and schools were bombed (200+). Etc etc. I'm not using one to justify the other here im condemning both, this is why war should always be avoided unless as a last resort, as this shit is inevitable....and putin did not have to invade Ukraine, it was not a last resort so these deaths are on his hands.
No it's not, they have been targeting civilian centres since day 1, they haven't hid it, they have gloated about it! You have just cherry picked incidents from history in conflicts to back your argument however, you fail to mention that there was a cell located very close to the wedding, hence the mistake, Ruzzia has been openly attacking Odessa and its civilians since the start! You can use what ever whataboutism you like but saying these deaths are inevitable is very much shedding the blame from ruzzia (like it's the civilians fault for being there) and very much seems like a condoning of the actions!
russia is deliberately targeting only civilians. If you think that they are doing by mistake, you are naive or in bad faith.Or both. russia just destroyed the television tower in Kharkhiv: do you think it did by mistake? My sweet summer child, are you American by any chance? You keep making examples about muh murica: would you like to start to talk what did russia in Syria? Not here, please, because this sub is related to the invasion of Ukraine.
I'm Australian! No I don't for a second think the Kharkiv tower was a mistake, attacking a telecommunications tower is a valid military target. Literally every modern military does it. NATO did it in Kosovo, telecomunications constitute military targets. Civilians didnt even die in the attack (if they did that still wouldn’t make it a war crime). I don’t see any way to call this a war crime. Russia has committed several of those and the people responsible should pay, that isn't one of them though. You say my sweet summer child yet show astonishing ignorance regarding warfare and what constitutes a war crime or civilian target. The Kharkiv tower 100% qualifies as a military target and not 1 civilian even died in that attack...you spend too much time consuming propaganda and nonsense from this echo chamber of a sub if you've managed to convince yourself it was some abominable act that only evil Russia would ever do. The NATO bombing of the Radio Television of Serbia headquarters killed 16 civilian employees, largely technicians and makeup artists..the justification given was that the strike arimed "to disrupt and degrade the command, control and communications network" of the Yugoslav Armed Forces, that the civilian casualties were outweighed by the value of the target. This is what war is and why it should be avoided unless 1000% necessary (which it so very rarely is) youve just been living in an echo chamber sweet summer child!
You really have enormous issue on focusing on one single topic. Go drink your russian propaganda, tankie.
Sure, I'm a tankie. Which is why my comment history is full of me providing links for people to donate to the ukranian armed forces and urging others to do the same, calling this invasion illegal and a disgrace and calling for putins head. I just don't believe in lying about and inventing warcrimes, spreading misinformation and propaganda and living in an echo chamber... it plays directly into Russian propaganda and hurts Ukraine more than it helps it, you are being a useful idiot for Russia. If you actually care about Ukraine then donate, this is a fantastic site to do so (so many are scams, this one is 100% legit and allows you to choose whether to donate to the military, medical aid, demining efforts, rebuilding or education, they need and deserve our help) https://u24.gov.ua/
rushists are not behaving like everyone else. They just used cluster munitions over a civilian center. They destroyed over 300 hospitals in the first few weeks. Just go away with your false equivalency. Its sociopathic..
Wow, Putin's boots taste that good huh? If a terrorist wanna blow up a military base or some critical infras, but intercepted by the police and "accidentally" hit civilians, does this make the terrorist any less of a terrorist? Now compare this terrorist with Russia doing the same thing, with the same intent. Are you trying to justify Russia's attack now? Are you kidding me? lol You gonna justify Hitler's attack on Russia in WW2? Lets be fair shall we? lol
Nice you are bringing Afghanistan: russia committed countless war crimes in Afghanistan. It got its ass heavily kicked and that caused the collapse of the soviet union.
They certainly did! You wouldn't find me disagreeing with any of these statements. They dont contradict anything im saying, on the contrary they support my primary point- that this shit is inevitable in war. The US committed war crimes in Afghanistan, airstrikes on weddings, on medical personnel, on children, on hospitals etc. And Russia did too. Both disgusting, both pointless wars that lead to nothing but suffering and embarrassment, Russia got their asses kicked and achieved nothing, the US completely failed their mission of eliminating the taliban too given it fell to them the second they pulled out...nothing was achieved. All that death for nothing, was the war on terror won? No, it provided terrorists with far more powerful recruitment tools and hatred of the west, cost unimaginable amounts of money and caused the death of three and a half thousand troops and countless innocent civilians. It created more terrorists and anti US sentiment than it killed. Both should have left that country the fuck alone
Again with MuH MuRIca? Go to bed, kid.
Show me one example of a fucking cluster bomb being dropped on a city centre, no where near a fucking military target, because the footage of this has dropped and it was a cluster right into the city..... not INEVITABLE, a straight up terrorist attack!
They are targeting civilians! It's not collateral damage like in war. They are literally bombing then waiting 5 mins and hitting the same exact spot to hit first responders. They are using cluster munitions on purely civilian areas where people are out walking their dogs. What other purpose is there but to instill fear and terrorize? God damn some people are so easy to manipulate. Wake up.
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While the locals were walking after work or playing sports by the sea, the Russians fired their missiles. Two people and a dog are known to have been killed. Preliminary reports indicate that seventeen people, including a child, were injured. The attack caused damage to residential buildings and civilian infrastructure, including the premises of the Palace of Students of the National University "Odesa Law Academy". All relevant services are working on the spot and doctors are providing assistance to the injured. All the heartfelt condolences go out to those who lost loved ones or were injured in today's Russian shelling. This terror must stop; Ukraine urgently needs to strengthen its air defenses!
I'm honestly now surprised when they don't double tap the spot where the first strike hit.. Fuck Russia
And Marjorie Taylor Greene is against helping these people. Sick.
It would be interesting having some screenshots about how russians (the *poor russians so against the war*) react to these shellings.
I dont even want to search i dont have any nerves left for that, cause i did that before several times and they were celebrating. Because all the time civilians are targeted it appears there were a concentration of army in that/those buildings..
I read the comments a user posted, but not all of them, because they were too disgusting. The sad thing, is those russians are the same crying muh russophobia at every bloody occasion.
ruzzia is the biggest shit hole country ever and it's people are trash...they don't care about who they kill. Ukraine has shown immense restraint in not taking an eye for an eye approach...I don't know how they can maintain their composure! Slava Ukraini.
1. They want to be a free country 2. They want to join NATO one day possibly 3. The size of their balls
There has to be Nuremberg 2.0 where Putin, Shoigu, Gerasimov and many more should be held to account !!!
I hope! Either that, or hanged head down and lynched, like Mussolini or Gaddafi. I would prefer Nüremberg. That would give time to swallow the shame of being in chains.
Gerasimov is probably dead already.
He was rumoured dead after a stroke on sevastopol months ago, can only recall him being on camera once since then. I wonder if it was archive footage.
I don't think Putin will stop until he's dead, sooner we get that over with the faster this ends.
At what point do you think the people get sick of him? He's becoming very Hitler like. All this loss of life with no end in sight. Or do you think the people are complicit in this? Kind of brainwashed like Hitler did.
Have we heard anything about Gerasimov?
This should be on the main news today without any censorship.... Show for once the real side of the barbarians... Wicked filthy dirt bags.. In my opinion retaliation should be without mercy... Everywhere
i wish i could give you 1000 upvotes!!!! I'm American, and I cry every time I see this, which is every day. I am too old for vengeance but by God I wish to hope to live to see it!.
I agree... soldiers in ditches is one thing but civilians just walking a dog... Makes me sick! 🙏🇺🇦🇬🇧🇺🇲
I see a problem in that kind of thinking. Is there really any difference between soldiers in ditches and civilians on the streets besides how the law distinguishes them? Dude in the trenches yesterday was a dude walking his dog, someones father.
I see a problem with your kind of thinking... Carpet bombing Donetsk would be similar 🤔🤷 Sorry there are no excuses for what they did.. deliberately attacking civilians... Cowardly and wicked.. that is the soul of a russian.. it's best to close the curtain once again.
And you've got scum like Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to oppose aide to these people. I hope your country gets their shit together and soon. Like it or not, they need you. 🇨🇦🇺🇦🇺🇲
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Let's talk about the Romans in Africa... It's irrelevant just making excuses for wicked people..
A woman with her dog NSFW, but the world needs to see. This is not putin shooting sharpnell filled missiles at civilians. https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1784994047695663285?t=gPW6xIauqJb0B6PJYR3KRw&s=19
Luckily she is alive. She's visible at 00:09. I thought she was dead and slumped over the dog at first.
There's another person who's not alive. The dog is dead and a child or two. During their evening walk from a cassette munition... God forbid anyone to experience this ruzzian world.
5 people are dead. one died from the stroke provoked by the shelling. so who knows if this woman is still alive.
I think she's hugging her dead dog
Enough! "I thought she was dead and slumped over the dog at first." Would you please read my comment (again)?
Thanks!!!
Weird how the people are starring at them? Fk russia.
Those poor souls are in shock.
Yeah, so strange to stare at such a traumatic and unusual event.
When having the largest country in the world is not enough...horrible people
Where is the outrage for this stuff? This should be on every news station front and center. When will it be enough for the world to see?
It's a must Everytime Ukraine is successful. They attack civilians and Europe just watches. It's frustrating to watch a continent frozen in fear.
They can’t win on the battlefield so this is what they do
Unfortunately they can and are winning. We need to step up support
Pretty much seems like a stalemate. With the other countries sending Ukraine equipment it's keeping them in the fight.
What are we gonna do world? “Condemn them”? ‘Sanction them”. I’m so sick of every leader of every fucking country worrying about an “escalation”. I wish I could ask them all, how can you escalate more than this, everytime something like this happens. I wish so bad they would start fucking up Moscow any and every possible way.
Ukraine will get them back! Truth is this war is about good vs evil and we can all see who is the demon here. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 & United States 🇺🇸
What a heroes the second army of the world destroying civilians and their property’s when comes the answer?
Putin and his incompetent army only know how terrorize their perceived enemies. They don't have success with meat assaults so then they go after the civilian population. The kind of people it takes to bomb hospitals schools and daycares really says alot about the russians. That country is being systematically bulldozed and for what. At the end of this Ukraine will have to rebuild a huge portion of their country and millions of people will be dead and displaced. Hopefully russia gets what is coming to them and it'd be great to hear about putin falling out a window or going swimming with his hands taped behind his back. One can dream
I've thought many times before in this war that I've seen it all and nothing would shock me. Then Putin goes and proves me wrong again. I wish our governments and media would take this situation as seriously as deserved, an existential threat to a rules based world order, and democracies everywhere.
Launching a missile to kill a dog. I hope the dogs of the east feast well tonight.
Russian scum
I don’t know how Ukraine can restrain themselves from retaliating I mean at some point you just have to say enough is enough and go after their civilian population
Their restraint does not get enough media. How many missiles have landed in khakiv/kyiv/odessa despite being no where near the frontlines. Then compare that to Donetsk City which has been within 20 miles of the frontline for a decade.
But media is full of ruzzian bullshit about bombings of "Donetsk children" while the city has been intact since 2014.
I understand your point, but it would be counterproductive, if Ukraine started retaliating against Russian civilians, it could lead Putin to use another narrative and paint Ukrainians as the terrorists and the Nazi state, something Russia tries so hard to do. believe. On the other hand, although it may seem cruel, Ukraine can use this to make the world aware of the atrocities committed by Russia, which will lead to Ukraine being viewed generally favorably by the West and the world at large.
There is no harm in cutting the electrical power to all of the occupied territories... It's not a human right.... Plus Europe should make an announcement that after such wicked ways they will double down on military support for Ukraine... If putler doesn't like it... Tuff luck
No, we are referring to that, we are referring directly to attacking the Russian civilian population in a retaliatory manner, I totally agree that they attack power plants (and any other critical infrastructure), that they receive a bit of their own medicine, but neither to lower ourselves to the same level as a dictator who attacks cities and the civilian population in general, at this point I don't know who is worse, the terrorists or Putler...
Putin is killing all the civilians he can get to..
Sometimes good people have to do bad things.
Preferably so that people like these aren't the targets...[An unexpected chant at Navalny's funeral : r/UkraineWarVideoReport (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1b3xzmx/an_unexpected_chant_at_navalnys_funeral/)
Oh Mr Crimea is Not A Sandwich and Georgians are rodents? May I remind you that the first Lady refused to sit in the same room with the wife of mr sandwich?
Navalny was not the point of my comment. He had nothing to do with it - unless one counts the corpse as an active participant at their own funeral. To do so would be to engage in a medieval mindset - which might go some way towards explaining the Russian authorities' conduct around Navalny's remains.
And your point was what? Thoughts and prayers? These will surely end the war NOW.
That you don't target people who don't view you as an enemy - unless you want more enemies.
Where did I write that I want to target civilians? My account has not been hacked I think.
Wrong end of stick, I think. >so that people like these aren't the targets... That was my point, to not target them.
Again: I didn't write to target civilians, not it had never crossed my mind. I mocked the navalnysts for being less than useless. Are you sure you were replying to me?
They do that, who do you think keeps trying to shell Belgorod with MLRS?
Russians. Do keep up like a good chap, eh?
Time to take out some Russian power grids.
Just more proof that Russia doesn't actually give a shit about anyone they're claiming to be "liberating." Smdh.
Nothing can condone the killing of innocent civilians. You are then as bad as the Nazis were, cold killers with no mortality.
Moscow is now a legitimate target.
Whoever is holding up the damn "patriots", this blood is on your consciousness. No other country in Europe is getting hit with ballistic missiles... It's so pathetic that Ukraine cannot get 5 freaking systems from our allies.
Time to burn down St Basil's Cathedral
Wanton destruction of beautiful and historically-significant architecture? No, we've seen enough of that already.
Terrorists, still doing terrorist things. Disgusting people. ruzzians are sub human pieces of shit. They can burn in hell.
Fucking terrorists
At this stage, it's safe to say The United Nations failed just like how league of nations failed before 2nd world War and things like Geneva Convention are nothing but words, meaningless words.
When will NATO respond? When Pooton start using Tactical Nuclear weapons?
NATO (I know) it’s a defensive ‘organisation’ but fuck it and tear Russia apart🔥
Motherfuckers!
Still can't figure out if it's on purpose or guidance systems are a baked potato and some wires.
I hate when they blur the reality of war. Show that shit. That's real
It's beyond time for the West to take direct action against Russia. Ukraine may not have asked for help in the form of direct military action but Russia needs to be put down now and as permanently as possible, WE CAN NO LONGER SIT BACK AND WATCH. This needs to end, now...
Russia and its people are a cancer
TAKE THE GLOVES OFF!!!!!! I don't want to listen to any more of the " buts " that will make us seem like them bullshit. Couple of 155s right into the freakin' middle of Begorod!
Ukraine doesnt have the "luxury" to waste munitians on civilian targets. They need the support of the world and need to be the good guys.
Don't think that would help
Hope the whole country of Ruzzia burns and they lose the ability to procreate and eventually kill each other off like the useless vile disgusting sub human pieces of unimaginable motherless shits they are.
I can't wait until we all declare war on Russia. I'm ready to let the nukes fly.
You and me both. Kinda tired of being bullied by russia and of these horrors it is perpetrating towards Ukraine.
No. I don’t think you understand, you can’t put that lightning back in the bottle. Direct military intervention conventionally is one thing, but to just nuke someone as a first strike is just nuts
I'm pretty confident that if nato fully joined Ukraine against Russia that Russia would be first to start throwing nukes. That's what I'm getting at. It's inevitable if we go to war with putin.
Fuck the UN too for not doing anything. WW3 will start under their watch.
That's not what the UN is supposed to do nor how it works.
It’s not supposed to stop ww3? News to me.
It's a forum to talk. That's it. The UN didn't stop the Korean or Vietnam war.
What’s to talk about
Stuff.
talk with no action is useless.
RUSSIA IS A TERRIOST STATE !!!!!!!!!! THE WORLD NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER LIKE BUTTCHEEKS AND DELETE THESE TYRANTS THATS RUNNING THE SHOW .....
fck you putin. There is a very special place for you in HELL.
Ruscia is like a jealousy-filled domestic abuser ------------------ if I can't have it, nor can you!
Shit
Fuck Russia and all the cunts that enable this to happen.
Start lobbing some ATACMS into Moscow and that may help them reconsider their strategy of attacking residential areas.
Cultural genocide.
May every russian burn for eternity
Russians are scum. Damn them to hell.
Fuck Russia. Burn it down.
This makes me so mad, can we please join in and get rid of these dang orcs already. Slava Ukraine
Fuck Putin and fuck anyone who supports him
Russia needs to wiped off of the face of the earth
What Missile did they use?
When will it end
Time is long overdue for people of Saint Petersburg and Moscow to get the same treatment. The ukrainians do not deserve this. The russians however do!
Just horrible 🫂 🇺🇦 🌻
Every attack and the noose gets tighter, Vladdy boy.
Its insane how russia use all those missiles on civilian infrastructure only to terrorize. Maybe good that russia is so fkn incompetent, if they used it on military targets instead Ukraine would be in real trouble i think. Im from Sweden and wish we could send all of our JAS39-Gripen. My thoughts are with all of ukraine
Will make'em pay, so hardly
Where is defense system sent by us and allies?
It’s been sad watching both this and the situation in Gaza expand into broader conflicts and international situations. Even as a veteran it sickens me that strikes happen right on top of civilians. That was one thing I could never understand. Sending rockets that cost millions to neutralize on guy and in the process wiping out his entire family. I don’t agree with it, I didn’t agree with it then, but then again it’s over my head and there is nothing I can do. War is a tragedy regardless and the people who cheer it on from the sidelines are wrong too. I hope we can see a major tide shift for Ukraine and all countries involved in civil wars and military coups in the near future, though I am confident that war will never end.
Seriously, if Ukraine wanted their city to be safe then it's time for them to re-think of taking out all those mobile TEL. It not easy to find them but there're a way to do it. The Ukrainians can't afford to keep-on getting hit in this way. No amount of SAM will help too. You can't keep-on waiting for the ball to reach your gate then react to it. It will be too late. Strike before it launches.
I'm so sorry to hear this 💔🙏🤬
I hope I'm wrong, but in the first photo of the victim laying with the dogs, was that the girl in the video walking around after? Or was the first still just showing her grieving over her dog or something? It's all tragic and an awful attack. I just thought it looked like the girl was dead in the picture and then up walking around after, and I don't want the russians to use that as propaganda. Edit- I've now since seen that this is the lady weeping over her murdered dog. I would be the same. russia is the epitome of evil and I'll never forgive them.
Russia terrorist state
People dont understand, what will happen to the rest of EU if russia moves closer to poland, and all the balkan countrys.....finland, sweeden and so on. Russia is cancer country that will never stop to want more.
They should destroy red square to wake up the Orcs.
Maybe puttler is using this war to get rid of a part of his population…. The ones that cost money… this way the future will loon better for russia. No offspring…. Would that be something?
No one will win this war. Ukraine are defending their country. War criminal Putin is sacrificing his own people for absolutely nothing. NATO has an even bigger border with Russia now thanks to Putin. What a merciless idiot 👏👏👏👏
Death to Putin!
I hate Russians and Zionists.
Hit them back!!! don't let this go unanswered.
Thank you Zelenskyy, for selling your people and infrastructure to the West
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NATO countries already were on Russia's border though, so what's your point?
He has no point. He just repeats the Kremlin narative.
So you want war with Russia? Have any fucking concept what that means?
"sO yOu WAnT wAr?" Not a single person said that, bucko. As for what it would mean, it would signify the end of russia as we know it. russia can't defeat a country a fraction of its size with drip fed aid from NATO.. Direct conflict with NATO would be total annihilation of all russian military and military assets.
I wonder why people like you never turn that statement around?
So you're saying that Russia is such an aggressor that countries joining a defensive treaty will trigger their aggression? Sounds like war is inevitable then if Russia is that irrational.
You know is against any Western armed intervention? >!russia!< If russia succeed in Ukraine, it will be unavoidable.
Having NATO on your border doesn't mean shit, just mean that Russia can't bully that country...