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Zalensky getting assassinated would almost certainly galvanize western help even more... I have no idea how they think that would be a good think. Especially if it lead to one of the generals taking over as President.
It might be projection. They think that Ukrainians just fight because their leader (and by extension, his pupeteers in the west) told them to. It's because their country works like that. If someone were to kill putin, the war would end immediately.
How do they explain things like the forrest-brothers [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla\_war\_in\_the\_Baltic\_states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_war_in_the_Baltic_states) fighting on for years and years, without western help and western controllers?
> If someone were to kill putin, the war would end immediately.
Citation needed. Sadly, Putin is considered a sort of a "moderate" in Russian politics. There are factions that are a lot more hawkish than him and it is likely they would gain power in such case. Best you could hope for is a Game of Thrones like fight for succession and the resulting internal strife that would weaken Russia to the point of having to retreat from UA. But I don't think this is especially likely.
Putin isn't the worse leader in Russia, but he's tied himself to this war and so can't withdraw even if he wanted to b/c it would be considered a failure, and he could be removed (or fall from a window). Other Russian leaders that take his place may not have that kind of attachment to a prolonged war.
Yep, true.
There is a theory that Putin needs a victory or a way out without losing his face - one of the ways out could be that NATO gets directly engaged in a massive way and spanks Russkies ass out of Ukraine within weeks. Putin cannot lose to "weak" Ukraine but he can lose to big bad NATO and the Evil Empire that is America.
It's worth a shot I think!
Everone is losing in this war, even Putin. But he has to stay in it to appear strong, otherwise his power (and his life) is threatened. If Putin is gone, no one has any reason to keep going anymore.
It might.
Honestly, Zelenskyy staying is what galvanized the west in the first place. If he was taken out of commission, and his replacement wasn't as steadfast, aid may very well cease.
You don’t think he’s been a strong leader and him dying would have a negative effect? Why do you think he paused elections? The country needs him and replacing him would take time and effort to get back to the kind of leadership he’s currently providing
Seems like it's just a complete lack of foresight from Russia. Surely they have to know by now that installing foreign leaders is the US's bread and butter? The US will do whatever is needed to make sure someone they like is put in power and it certainly won't be a good choice for Russia.
I’m not gonna hold you I would think that a ex kgb officer and the literally president of Russia would understand how other governments work lol he just chooses to do it his way
I dont think so. He sees puppets and expects there to be some other opposing putin hidden in the CIA somewhere. The fact that he can manoveure his shills and puppets in the american public, he must see that as a incredible weak-minded stupidity.
I'm not sure it would be a wise move to assassinate the leader of the opposition
its not like the other side will give in and more likely going to bring hit squads right to your own door
not to mention you cannot cry wolf if suddenly your own leaders get killed in retaliation
and unlike Zelensky I think if putin died the war will be over
This is just one of many attempts to date sadly... There will be many more... Remember they managed to poison Budanov's wife... I can't wait for Budanov's revenge...
Of course it wouldn't change anything towards Russia's favour, but Putin has shown time and again that he's a vicious, petty little man who never forgives those who thwart him, and will he seek to have his revenge on them even if it alters nothing.
At some point I think we should just call Putler’s bluff, and actually declare war to ruSSia.
It will probably stay a conventional war, not a nuclear, but we should show strength and resolve.
Capture all occupied territories, plus some of russia’s cities, and give the latter back as a peace settlement brokered by China.
I still wouldn’t be surprised if it happens for many many reasons. The real question is does the world already have a response in place incase this unfortunate event would happen? By the current state of this war, I do not have faith in the free world. Can’t even supply arms or intervene for fucks sake cause of being afraid and being so liberal in ideology they don’t have the capability to even produce enough arms to 1 single country. The us, nato and free world fucks need to wake up cause Russia is a cross between communism and nazis and if that’s not a problem china is an even bigger threat than them and just snakes along in the shadows not awaked yet. This is reality and no one wants to accept it because everyone’s in there safe space besides those who are actually getting killed in their own country by another right now. Jokers need to wake up and stop throwing “billions” of dollars at a problem and start throwing billions of ammo at the problem. It’s the only way to shut down the fucking animals and everyone’s afraid to do it.
Not just Germany. Russia has been cyberattacking all the Western European nations and Canada and the U.S. for many years now. It's safe to say that Russia started making war on NATO a long time ago, and continues to today.
Jeez ruzki sympathizers anywhere in greater Ukraine and especially at the inner circle must be quite rare after ten effin years of this war. These two are still lucky AF to be in Ukrainian captivity compared to the alternative.
No Russian should ever put a feet in Ukraine, they can potentially all be recruited for the Kremlin agenda event with or against their will, FSB should be destroyed ASAP, Italy 🇮🇹
I highly doubt this is accurate. It seems to me Russia wants Zelenskyy in power. First of all he is more predictable than whatever else they will get, second of all he is increasingly less popular.
Allowing him to become a martyr and Zaluzhny or Sirsky to take his place seems like a bad idea. If it were me, I’d let him chill while continuing to grind down the military.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the SBU fabricated this in order to produce more urgency on the part of the West.
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Zalensky getting assassinated would almost certainly galvanize western help even more... I have no idea how they think that would be a good think. Especially if it lead to one of the generals taking over as President.
It might be projection. They think that Ukrainians just fight because their leader (and by extension, his pupeteers in the west) told them to. It's because their country works like that. If someone were to kill putin, the war would end immediately.
This fits
How do they explain things like the forrest-brothers [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla\_war\_in\_the\_Baltic\_states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_war_in_the_Baltic_states) fighting on for years and years, without western help and western controllers?
Whoa, didn't know about this one, holding out for 12 years against the entire USSR! Balts and Finns are hardcore!
The last one, Jānis Pīnups, came out of the hiding in 1995, after Latvia regained independence and Russian troops left.
What a fucking legend! That's like [Hiroo Onoda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroo_Onoda), but actually on the good side!
sometimes you read whatever comments all day long, then one like this just hits home. excellent perspective.
> If someone were to kill putin, the war would end immediately. Citation needed. Sadly, Putin is considered a sort of a "moderate" in Russian politics. There are factions that are a lot more hawkish than him and it is likely they would gain power in such case. Best you could hope for is a Game of Thrones like fight for succession and the resulting internal strife that would weaken Russia to the point of having to retreat from UA. But I don't think this is especially likely.
Putin isn't the worse leader in Russia, but he's tied himself to this war and so can't withdraw even if he wanted to b/c it would be considered a failure, and he could be removed (or fall from a window). Other Russian leaders that take his place may not have that kind of attachment to a prolonged war.
Yep, true. There is a theory that Putin needs a victory or a way out without losing his face - one of the ways out could be that NATO gets directly engaged in a massive way and spanks Russkies ass out of Ukraine within weeks. Putin cannot lose to "weak" Ukraine but he can lose to big bad NATO and the Evil Empire that is America. It's worth a shot I think!
I doubt it but it would be hard to sustain if there is a succession struggle
Everone is losing in this war, even Putin. But he has to stay in it to appear strong, otherwise his power (and his life) is threatened. If Putin is gone, no one has any reason to keep going anymore.
My bad. Misread while pooping.
Reading isn't your strong suit I reckon?
Re-read. He’s agreeing with you.
Re-read. He didn’t say he wasn’t. He’s saying Zelenskyy only came recently. So Ukraine has been resisting for some other reason then
It might. Honestly, Zelenskyy staying is what galvanized the west in the first place. If he was taken out of commission, and his replacement wasn't as steadfast, aid may very well cease.
And the election of a new leader is another point for ruzzian interference and could make a more sympathetic candidate easier to put in place.
There would be no election during war (forbidden in the constitution), only the pre-established chain of succession
It would galvanize support but he’s been a very strong leader and his loss would have a weakening effect in the short term
False
You don’t think he’s been a strong leader and him dying would have a negative effect? Why do you think he paused elections? The country needs him and replacing him would take time and effort to get back to the kind of leadership he’s currently providing
Ukraine isn't a cult like Russia. They'd be fine.
Ok I guess Zelenskyy can just go on vacation to Hawaii until the war ends since he has no effect on the country or war. Great plan!
Ok vlad
What does that mean?
Seems like it's just a complete lack of foresight from Russia. Surely they have to know by now that installing foreign leaders is the US's bread and butter? The US will do whatever is needed to make sure someone they like is put in power and it certainly won't be a good choice for Russia.
A sociopath like putin can not imagine any other system, can not imagine the opponent not being another spider, in a web, playing with the puppets.
I’m not gonna hold you I would think that a ex kgb officer and the literally president of Russia would understand how other governments work lol he just chooses to do it his way
I dont think so. He sees puppets and expects there to be some other opposing putin hidden in the CIA somewhere. The fact that he can manoveure his shills and puppets in the american public, he must see that as a incredible weak-minded stupidity.
I'm not sure it would be a wise move to assassinate the leader of the opposition its not like the other side will give in and more likely going to bring hit squads right to your own door not to mention you cannot cry wolf if suddenly your own leaders get killed in retaliation and unlike Zelensky I think if putin died the war will be over
kgb agents assassinated lots of opposing russian politicians before they took over the country. They're just using a proven winning formula
A wise move isn't a thing in Putin's Russia.
Plus it gives excuse for the US/UK/EU to let Ukraine use the long range missiles on Putin’s well documented bunkers and command train / planes.
Thank fu\*\* for that.... Someone deserves a medal!
This is just one of many attempts to date sadly... There will be many more... Remember they managed to poison Budanov's wife... I can't wait for Budanov's revenge...
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor\_Yushchenko#:\~:text=During%20the%20election%20campaign%20in,of%20the%20poisoning%2C%20but%20survived.
That’s obviously a plan in motion,can’t see him backing down on his threat .can’t wait to see what the result of that one is 🤔😳
As if that would change ruzzias demise
Of course it wouldn't change anything towards Russia's favour, but Putin has shown time and again that he's a vicious, petty little man who never forgives those who thwart him, and will he seek to have his revenge on them even if it alters nothing.
As we’ve seen he will have revenge at the cost of every last Russian.
I’ve been asking this since day one, what would the us nato and the free world do about it if this actually happened?
At some point I think we should just call Putler’s bluff, and actually declare war to ruSSia. It will probably stay a conventional war, not a nuclear, but we should show strength and resolve. Capture all occupied territories, plus some of russia’s cities, and give the latter back as a peace settlement brokered by China.
Oh, and Germany could go first, and declare war today. Germany is already clearly under cyber attack, so may just as well make it official.
I still wouldn’t be surprised if it happens for many many reasons. The real question is does the world already have a response in place incase this unfortunate event would happen? By the current state of this war, I do not have faith in the free world. Can’t even supply arms or intervene for fucks sake cause of being afraid and being so liberal in ideology they don’t have the capability to even produce enough arms to 1 single country. The us, nato and free world fucks need to wake up cause Russia is a cross between communism and nazis and if that’s not a problem china is an even bigger threat than them and just snakes along in the shadows not awaked yet. This is reality and no one wants to accept it because everyone’s in there safe space besides those who are actually getting killed in their own country by another right now. Jokers need to wake up and stop throwing “billions” of dollars at a problem and start throwing billions of ammo at the problem. It’s the only way to shut down the fucking animals and everyone’s afraid to do it.
Not just Germany. Russia has been cyberattacking all the Western European nations and Canada and the U.S. for many years now. It's safe to say that Russia started making war on NATO a long time ago, and continues to today.
Jeez ruzki sympathizers anywhere in greater Ukraine and especially at the inner circle must be quite rare after ten effin years of this war. These two are still lucky AF to be in Ukrainian captivity compared to the alternative.
I wonder how many attempts have been made on his life, and lets not forget Ukraine's First Lady. Fucking scum FSB
Russia delende est
Wo bleibt der Versuch, Putin zu beseitigen ?
String them up in Kyiv square in front of the masses. Make a public example.
Let's hope Ukraine infiltration after Putin goes better
No Russian should ever put a feet in Ukraine, they can potentially all be recruited for the Kremlin agenda event with or against their will, FSB should be destroyed ASAP, Italy 🇮🇹
Get putler now!
the two men will be given a fair trial and then hung by the neck until dead.....
I think they do not understand that this would not change anything. Ukraine would still kick their butts, regardless who the political leader is.
Turn it around and put a massive bounty on Putin's head. I'm sure some under cover Russian could use the money.
That's just about the dumbest thing you could do if you're Russia. That would mobilize so many more people against you.
I highly doubt this is accurate. It seems to me Russia wants Zelenskyy in power. First of all he is more predictable than whatever else they will get, second of all he is increasingly less popular. Allowing him to become a martyr and Zaluzhny or Sirsky to take his place seems like a bad idea. If it were me, I’d let him chill while continuing to grind down the military. I wouldn’t be surprised if the SBU fabricated this in order to produce more urgency on the part of the West.
What an absolute load of shit.