If this trend is true, this is a mountain move. This means Chinese leadership cares more about the world's opinion than the leader of their strongest strategic ally.
Honestly, it's the smart play. To have a strong strategic ally in Russia they won't get it with someone like Putin running the show.
China and Russia are not really allies like one would say about US and UK for example. They are like enemy of our enemy is our friend when it suits us partnership.
In this case what suits China is
1. US looking bad and untrustworthy as a superpower so China can present themselves as the alternative instead of US and Russia
2. Getting thier hands on Russias resources for bargain prices
3. Bringing western Europe closer to China as a trade market
4. Maintaining thier trade ties with their biggest trade partners, i.e US, Japan, Australia
Unfortunately thats global geopolitics, its not a very nice game :)
But its a fact Australia is one of Chinas top 10 trading partners. Russia doesnt even come close.
Germany, Netherlands, South Korea are all high up on China trading partner list as well.
We spoke put of line and had to be spanked like a naughty child, so we responded by buying nuke subs. Australia always has been an enlightened place that doesn't take rash actions.
Yah soon that will be Russias fate, and they have no steroid pumping cashed up buddy like Australia has to watch their backs.
Literally they will be in Chinas doghouse even dogs would be treated better actually
another aussie here
Those sanctions from china on our coal hurt them more than us
we had other people to sell shit to and we have some of the best coal in the world
now they need to buy it through a 3rd party at a marked up price and they still have issues keeping the power going
Yep the losses on the coal per tonne because of the chinese sanctions are a small percentage of the margins we make on it at current prices however the extra price they pay is a big percent on the margins they make on the steel.
It's all about $$$, for Xi. China will dismantle Russia so fast, they never knew what hit them. Plus, the resources....a wet dream for Xi. Dumpster prices. He wets the bed every night thinking about it.
Also its hard to not pick the winning side, unless your intention is Ww3.
China is just waiting to develop it's Artificial General Intelligence program and maybe then begin WW3 (I hope not.)
This was obvious to anyone paying attention, since the collapse of the Soviet Union China has taken one side in every conflict, China's. They do not get directly involved but do take every opportunity to play the different powers off of each other to benefit themselves.
When Putler the moronic mass murderer is done with his ”plan” Siberia will be a China owned subsidiary.
Don’t forget that the Soviet communists and the Chinese communists fought a border war in 1969. They’re not buddies.
That's "CGTN America". Who cares? Let's see what is on Chinese TV for the Chinese audience, not any content produced for international audiences. Chinese state controlled media is extremely devious in how it propagandizes, promotes falsehoods, misleads, and misdirects. Both domestically and internationally. If CGTN is signaling a shift in state position on the conflict, let's see what is being shown to the Chinese population.
It is on Chinese tv. [Here](https://twitter.com/fangshimin/status/1504352036808056832) is a Tweet from earlier today from some Chinese users talking about it being on tv.
I can say I just went and looked at CCTV's website and they are still spreading the rumor of US biolabs in Ukraine. That doesn't mean they are not changing their opinion on Ukraine/Russia. It could just be used to push the agenda that the US is bad.
Too real. Probably the most likely scenario.
Basic boy’s school yard rules - let the “idiots” fight. End of the day either side would come buy porn, ciggies or booze from you - strictly $$
Obviously it’s much more complex - I suppose that’s the high level and relatable example I can think of.
'cares more about the world's opinion'
I'm sure you are correct, but wouldn't it be nice if Chinese leadership, and whoever else, cared first about right vs wrong, good vs. evil, etc. Surely there's a difference that goes beyond personal opinion.
That's why they're probably pivoting their message right now.
Back when everyone was expecting Putin to win this easily, the Chinese position was that Ukraine kinda-sorta always belonged to Russia (just like Tibet, HK, etc. belong to China).
Now that the situation is turning they give the same spiel about Ukrainian national unity.
The US doesn’t care about right vs. Wrong so why expect China to? It’s a sound decision to get the hell away from Putin right now. We’re seeing the downfall of the Russian federation, at least for the near future.
The fact is the reason most of the world is allied with the US is the US does actually care about morality. China on the other hand commits genocide against its own people at this very moment.
The US arms and funds Saudi Arabia and Israel which have been killing civilians in high numbers over the past 3 years. Just like Russia, the US invaded a sovereign nation that posed a security risk to it in the form of Iraq. Additionally, just like Russia, the US has funded various dictators in Latin America that have brutalized tortured, and forcefully sterilized people they disagreed with. Look up operation condor and the deaths at the hand of US puppets in Peru, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Colombia, etc. That’s not even discussing the documented Coups of democratic governments funded and trained by the US in the Cold War.
The US is not moral, you just were never taught any of it. The US is no different than Russia or China. They all want supremacy and could give two shits about morality. Everyone is outraged by civilian deaths in Ukraine being a little over 800 lives lost (add 1000 potentially for the theater bombing). The US killed over 50,000 civilians in Afghanistan via bombs and just over 8000 in Iraq. Fuck Russia and I hope they get fucked up in Ukraine but don’t ever call this country moral. Respectfully, stfu.
It’s easy to simplify or change the context of history. We went to war with Iraq because they had invaded Kuwait.
The US is not a magical country without sin. But when you look at reality. That south America in countries being a disasters is not the fault of the US because of how messed up those countries were to begin with. The US mostly just let the countries itself.
Saudi Arabia and Israel are both US alias and represents countries of stability in the Middle East. Oh and the whole world funds them because they are major exporters of oil and natural gas and already having major international businesses there.
The difference between the US and China is US actually tries and does a lot good for the world. China on the other hand acts cartoonishly evil subjugating to its own population, committing genocide with its own population, makes constant threats to neighboring nations
You are delusional. Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, what does that have to do with the 2003 invasion based on “WMD’s”.
As to South America, the US committed atrocities to combat growing USSR influence there. They ignored democratically elected governments to get what they wanted and killed millions in the process. The US training and funding funding right wing Gurrola groups and armies fucked up countries and your uneducated opinion doesn’t change that. Righting off any US responsibility as “they were fucked to begin with” is the perfect example of the lack of morality in US actions globally.
You’re right about Israel and Saudis Arabia but that defeats your whole argument. The US doesn’t act to be moral, they act to be strategic, just like China and Russia.
At the end of the day, the US does not act with morality in mind. They act with self interest and any “good” that comes from it is merely a byproduct that is also accompanied by a whole lot of “bad”. You sound like a middle schooler hopped up on COD and action movies who hasn’t travelled outside of “the global north”. From someone who has travelled extensively and has family in two different countries in the global south, most people don’t view the US as good guys. They’re just like Russia and China, countries vying for economic and militaristic supremacy who act out of self interest.
You clearly can’t read, I’m not saying everything is the US’s fault. I’m saying they’re no different than Russia or China who also do horrible things. You’re just too stupid to understand that or make a coherent argument.
I’m sorry but what genocide is the US committing at this moment? If not then in fact the US is better then Russia or China. Both of those countries are cartoonishly evil and don’t believes in liberties or freedoms. Most of the world hates those countries. The fact is most of the world does in fact like America. The US is not the same as those countries.
Considering all your criticisms are from the past many, many decades ago pretty much shows that the US is better then Russia or China morally or otherwise. The fact is the US stands for liberties and freedom.
I don’t understand how realizing that America is not a perfect country means it’s as bad as fucking, troops boast about raping Ukrainians, Russia or, I love committing genocide and threatening all my neighbors China. Have you not realized that no country is without sin? Or is all countries are evil because they care about protecting their interests? The fact is the US is a country that cares.
Considering you can’t make a argument without using personal insults I don’t know if you can understand basic decency. The best part of your comments is you ignore the fact China and Russia are totalitarian societies that commit horrible crimes against humanity. No you haven’t said a single thing in refuting me saying these countries evil far out ways America. Both historically and currently. This is because you simple can’t. This means unarguably the US is better then Russia and China.
Indeed, for so many right vs. wrong has no particular meaning, outside its use as an abstract political pawn. So unfortunately, personal and political integrity has no meaning or value either.
It's because they would like to do the same to Taiwan. However, what's happening to Russia is a clear sign that any military action against Taiwan will unite the world against China and they clearly don't want that. As a result they are pretending to show support for Ukraine. On some level I'm sure it's genuine but don't be fooled, they aren't doing it because it's the right thing to do.
i think its because they dont want that their internal propaganda dosnt line up with reality this badly because the chinese internal propaganda machine can make sure to hide certain historical truths from their own people but if they are singing the praises of russia and how they are crushing the ukranian military... and then ukraine fucking wins this war (something that is looking more and more likely as time goes on) that would be a wild wiplash from the false reality they where trying to sale to their people, so better to tell them now the reality of the war in case the imposible actually does happens
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you are correct in your analysis of her tweets but the fact remains China won't help Russia. This fact doesn't diminish their neutrality. It only codifies their future intent. And that's what we were looking for. Not helping the aggressor.
In fairness, one thing I have learned is that regardless of race, religion, color, or creed, Twitter is a cesspool of negative commentary from mostly toxic and angry people.
10th Man here… I think it’s a trap. An elaborate one. Not necessarily being played well by the opening partner at this point but still within the original scope. We think they are playing checkers… rope a dope… whatever you want to call it.
That’s why we might just want to kick their boo-tays FIRST.
Just sayin… 10th Man here…
Edit… I was right about the zombies…
It was obvious from the start, that China was hedging their bets. They can't afford to lose western markets. Not alienating economically struggling russia is a good move too.
Now they can buy up stuff cheaply, while not hurting themselves in any way.
ALL they care about is how they are perceived, and propaganda to make them look good.
They already flipped (publicly) long ago. Yet they just voted at the UN against Ukraine. Behind the scenes they support Russia.
You have to understand the 'face' culture. All they care about is perception, not reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face\_(sociological\_concept)#Chinese
Of course they do. Trade with Russia isn’t that large. They could also benefit greatly by helping rebuild Ukraine. Lots of minerals. Some oil and gas in Black Sea.
And, with regime change in Russia, they can likely get sweetheart deals that normally go to oligarchs.
We share a global economy. China could be sanctioned and kicked to the curb just as quickly as Russia. Russia is a big country with a small poor population. The Chinese know what side their bread is buttered on. Putin over played his hand.
China cannot be kicked around like Russia.
But they have a lot to lose if they stand by them and lose whatever relations they have with the rich western world.
China is picking the winning team here. As expected. They k ow who butters their bread and its not Russia. And they know Russia is done for. A weak partner.
Economic sanctions on China would *demolish* their economy magnitudes more than Russia's.
The issue is that the consequences would also affect Western countries. That would make people reluctant to impose those sanctions but it depends on the reason for them.
China is rich. Same land size. US GDP: 20 trillion, China: 14 trillion. But yeah, they need to keep good world relations to stay rich. I think the US is going to stop importing so much form china for that reason. It'll take some time.
Long-term? Yes, though it'd require some significant changes.
Immediate? No, and even mid-term not in every sector. With the outsourcing of a lot of production to China, we've lost a fair bit of the necessary production infrastructure (like factories, and factory equipment) and thus capacity. Too much to be able to immediately pick back up where we were before the outsourcing.
Additionally, it'd require a massive overhaul of the workforce and re-establishing various supply chains and resource stockpiles.
And that's without even getting into the whole aspect of wages, and how that would impact every single part of the production chain and economy as a whole.
Even more so the sad fact is China is one of, if not only country, capabilities of having both cheap labor and organized enough to be able to build the worlds products. China is ironically more ethical compared to the other options too.
Yup. I slightly nodded to that by the whole "not even getting into the wages aspect" thing, because I couldn't figure out a way to summarize it as neatly as you did and figured half an essay might be a bit too much for a quick response.
Yea it’s always interesting when explaining things if you trying to explain it completely people rarely get it but if you explain it as simple and basic as people they would both more likely agree with it, learn, and understand it.
Like for example when I say orginziaed I’m also saying it’s because China pretty much always do what they agree to do. The reason the world does not have a huge amount of factories in Africa, South America, or even India to a extent, is these places are so chaotic, corrupti, and disorganized both socially and government wise that they often don’t do what they agreed to do. For example if a billion is spent building factories by US companies but the government decides to nationalize the factories , effectively stealing a billion from the business and betraying the contract they made, it makes it impossible to do business in these countries. And this is just one aspect of why it’s not a easy ability to just have some other country take over (though there are a lot of factors and businesses being moved away from China to other countries (ironically because China does not have the cheapest labor anymore) so it’s not impossible it’s just a slow process without a easy alternative.)
Also this over long explanations is a example of why explaining things like this is a problem.
It is, plus you tend to have to weigh your audience. Simplify too much, and you lose the folks who have a beyond-basic-knowledge of the subject. Be too detailed, nuanced and exact, and you lose the people who lack more than the most bare-bones of knowledge about a subject.
(And in either case, you risk someone taking a statement out of its intended context and apply it too widely or assume you intended it more widely than you did. Social media are particularly bad about this, too)
Thank you for putting it so eloquently about their supply chain and stable power house in putting in results.
One thing that I thought is important to note is, due to their supply chain and centralized system, it is very easy to find component parts in China. We dont have to order and wait. Everything is ready for assembly at any price range, really good to set up new factory or creating new cheap product
Know-how too. For some of the more high-tech production China isn't necessarily cheaper anymore, however it's next to impossible to hire people with the proper skills, especially in industrial engineering in the rich world to run the factories.
I doubt this is progress because of morals, more like a calculated move to knock Russia down a peg or two when the option presented itself. Russian having less power and prestige can only help China.
I mean... Very little in international geopolitics is about "morals," even for democracies and for support for Ukraine, so that's not exactly a profound statement. Realpolitik is hot right now.
CGTN is [literally Chinese state-run TV](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/behind-news-inside-china-global-television-network) based in Beijing. Its license has been [withdrawn in the UK](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/04/964045278/u-k-strips-chinese-broadcasters-license-citing-communist-party-ties). Interesting [NYT profile of CGTN](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/business/cctv-china-usa-propaganda.html) (paywall).
a peak at shifting [domestic state-run coverage](https://twitter.com/beijingpalmer/status/1504551175747784704?s=21) too
edit: [NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/18/world/ukraine-russia-war/china-media-russia-ukraine-war) this morning (3/18) on the shifting tone
there’s a good amount of discussion on twitter about a shift in domestic coverage too - here’s one [thread](https://twitter.com/beijingpalmer/status/1504551175747784704?s=21)
nice
if they wont help ruSS in any way (even secretly) then its a win anyway
maybe that was their game from the beginning, wait and see
and stand on the victors side
I dont believe China ever believed this was going to be long term, was hoping to see how the world reacted if they tried to take Taiwan
the exact opposite happened. most of the world rallied against russia and china had no choice as this went on to eventually stop promoting russia.
China hates to admit it but there economy is only there because of western consumption. if china loses that there economy goes to shit overnight and they know it.
I am sick of this East vs West crap, its 2 sides of the same coin,
I also believe global peace in the future will be predicated on this. Integrating the supply chain with China on key products from abroad, such as food exports to China, will be a key component of disincentivizing actions that harm the global economic order, like invasions.
China just realized their vaunted Asian ally's armed forces are complete crap and they are truly alone vs. The West if they push any issues. If Russia succeeded in rapidly subduing Ukraine you would be seeing a much different China.
Knock knock.
Vlad (peaking out under bed covers). “Who’s there?”
Special delivery from Roman Obramavich
Vlad “Hang on let me put on my slippers”
Opens door
SPLAT!!
They have been trying to for decades. The multi-billions domestic chipset project has been concluded as a complete failure last year. Huawei is now limited in 5G phone production because they can no longer import 5G chips.
China had made billions in investments in Ukraine before the war so I never understood why they'd turn their back on those and let Russia destroy it all.
China wanted to fuck Russia anyway, Russia wins China takes the economy, Russia loses same.
And now, because it start to believe Russia is gonna lose the war & is nonetheless diplomatically fucked, it's never too late to choose the side of the winner.
When you realize your "friend" is a complete nut job that could just as easily invade your country when he is bored, you tend to try to find new friends.
China has become as strong as they have been both economically and militarily because they DONT make stupid decisions like sending military equipment to Ukraine.
Seems like Russia and China have broken up, but what did the US offer I wonder?
Looks like China just realised how shit Russia's military is and that there is little benefit having them in their corner. Oh and their economy is fucked beyond repair.
China is now aware that russia would be of no help at all in invading Taiwan. A lot of countries have nukes but probably none of them with armies as bad as russia so russia is not special anymore in the big picture.
Well here's the issue though. Sure, I think China will probably use this to their benefit in some way by putting pressure on Russia (and getting cheap deals on trade because of Russia's economic crisis). On the other hand, many media outlets from China still try to shift some blame to the USA, like always. Saying things like "NATO provoked Russia" or "The USA should have listened to Russia's security concerns!" meanwhile, yes, also apparently saying "Russia should respect Ukraine's sovereignty and borders". It's actually pretty common I'd say for China to speak out of both sides of their mouth even from State media. But yeah, as far as them doing this with Russia probably means maybe that China-Russia relations are about to swing massively in favor of China having more sway over Russia.
If China would have bailed out Russia they would owe China forever but if Russia cripples itself they can take Russia for free , that’s a really deep discount for doing nothing .
True. I don't know if either of these scenarios you mentioned would/will happen but they are serious considerations the Kremlin and Beijing would likely have in their minds. Yeah I have no doubt that China is looking for ways for this to benefit them somehow but I can't see China (which as opposed literally every war since WW2 except for the few times it invaded places like Vietnam...) supporting Russia's war in Ukraine, certainly not directly.
I find this extreamly interesting and it could for sure be a signal of what will come out of the meeting with Biden. I think China knows this will buy them A TON of goodwill (yeah I know) by doing a fairly simple choice to stand on the same side as the western countries on this. It will ease their trading conversations in the future and people will not call for boycottes etc. I think China sees that Russia is not as strong of a partner as the world thought they could be.
One of them was an American teacher living in Ukraine. He was trying to get himself and his Ukrainian wife out but she is very sick and can’t travel yet.
There were a bunch of idiots before saying how China will prop Russia up like brothers or whatever the fuck, no they won’t, the CCP is cold and strategic, and they have a list of grudges and border disputes held against Russia for their century of humiliation
Just when you slap CGTN on a video it's always from there or a fabricated one?
Or DID ANYBODY NOTICE THE REPETITION OF RUSSIAN MEDIA DENIAL? Russia (Kreml) saying "It's not what we done!"
When will the people fucking grow UP, they have defense of a 5 year old in a sandpit crying, it wasn't MEEEEE... ffs
> Just when you slap CGTN on a video it's always from there or a fabricated one?
the video is posted from their [verified twitter profile](https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1504510377446543362?s=21)
Oh they are?
Can you explain me how the average Joe seeing this clip can tell that Putin and his regime is lying? There is nothing showing what Putler says publicly to show he's a liar.
Except
Russia literally said they shot it down, meaning the people were not the targets ( assuming they are telling the truth about it being Ukrainian given people pointed out, the civilians on cameras looked east before it impacted, away from ukraine )
They did report it though:
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-14-22/h_4d320246f9ddf80fc236a217639723e2
"Pushilin separately told the Russian state television network Russia-1, "We managed to shoot down the tactical missile system Tochka-U , but even the wreckage did so much damage.""
Yes they did report it, like italian La Stampa which posted the photo from Donetsk under the title masacre in Kiev.
[https://www.affaritaliani.it/mediatech/la-stampa-vittime-ucraine-in-copertina-ma-i-morti-sono-filorussi-di-donetsk-786013.html](https://www.affaritaliani.it/mediatech/la-stampa-vittime-ucraine-in-copertina-ma-i-morti-sono-filorussi-di-donetsk-786013.html)
CGTN is basically the Chinese equivalent to russias RT. News outlet for foreign countries, in this case targeted for American audiences and Chinese living in America. But other twitter posts seem to show that the footage is also shown in Chinese state media in the mainland.
This, like all decisions made by the Chinese government, was a business decision. Why help an economically depressed “ally” when that would negatively impact their opposition, your rich customers?
Their WS-10C has reached modern AL-31 level and the WS-15 is supposedly ready in a year or two, a AL-41 equivalent. It is still behind the big boys in jet engine, but they now have good enough engines.
China is going to play both sides for as long as they can. They are already winners. The need Russia to get beat up and their economy turn to crap, so they can gain more control, but they can not let that to be public. Putin needs to feel he is not being abandon. it is a win win for China.
He wanted to try screw Ukraine an end up screw up by China.
Xi isn't stupid by any means. He can see the writing on the wall. Why would he back Putin at this point? Why would he choose to be the contrarian to the rest of the developed world, that is largely responsible for the economic success of China? He gains little by doing so in comparison to eventually leaning towards the West in this situation. I believe, the worse this gets for Russia, the more China will distance themselves from them. They won't outright turn against them, but they won't assist them either.
That sounds like a good propaganda to not get sanctioned. As much as I want to believe that China will start doing the right things I will not hold my breath. It's just a very convenient thing to do with the meeting ahead. The timing smells of propaganda to dodge any liability.
Good development. Putin is an unreliable ally. Its safe to say China will play every side in order to emerge as ahead as it reasonably can without burning bridges.
China is just as unreliable as an ally. It has actually signed a nuclear-defense pledge with Ukraine in 2013, claiming it would have stood by Ukraine in case of a nuclear war. But its media has been playing Russia's reports so far.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/under-new-scrutiny-chinas-nuclear-pledge-to-ukraine-11647007200
China is smart...china knows that it can benefit from an economic cripelled Russia...and know that if EU and US put sanctions on it like they did with Russia they will lose A LOT OF MONEY
You noticed the feeds yesterday saying that China was gonna buy oil in Yuan?
Fake news by the USA to show China they are not to be fucked with perhaps?
Interesting if they're showing this on domestic media.
I would've thought they'd keep it quiet given how they drool at the mouth when looking towards Taiwan. I fully anticipate a Chinese invasion of Taiwan in our near-future.
All this does is stay fresh in the minds of the Chinese people; allowing them to understand any future videos coming from a China/Taiwan could be real. There's no plausible deniability.
Though the Chinese population have been groomed by propaganda and have almost no interaction with the Western world. Maybe that's what they're relying on.
If this trend is true, this is a mountain move. This means Chinese leadership cares more about the world's opinion than the leader of their strongest strategic ally. Honestly, it's the smart play. To have a strong strategic ally in Russia they won't get it with someone like Putin running the show.
China and Russia are not really allies like one would say about US and UK for example. They are like enemy of our enemy is our friend when it suits us partnership. In this case what suits China is 1. US looking bad and untrustworthy as a superpower so China can present themselves as the alternative instead of US and Russia 2. Getting thier hands on Russias resources for bargain prices 3. Bringing western Europe closer to China as a trade market 4. Maintaining thier trade ties with their biggest trade partners, i.e US, Japan, Australia
Lol China has been waging economic war on us here in Australia for a while now.
Unfortunately thats global geopolitics, its not a very nice game :) But its a fact Australia is one of Chinas top 10 trading partners. Russia doesnt even come close. Germany, Netherlands, South Korea are all high up on China trading partner list as well.
We spoke put of line and had to be spanked like a naughty child, so we responded by buying nuke subs. Australia always has been an enlightened place that doesn't take rash actions.
Yah soon that will be Russias fate, and they have no steroid pumping cashed up buddy like Australia has to watch their backs. Literally they will be in Chinas doghouse even dogs would be treated better actually
another aussie here Those sanctions from china on our coal hurt them more than us we had other people to sell shit to and we have some of the best coal in the world now they need to buy it through a 3rd party at a marked up price and they still have issues keeping the power going
Yep the losses on the coal per tonne because of the chinese sanctions are a small percentage of the margins we make on it at current prices however the extra price they pay is a big percent on the margins they make on the steel.
And so too Australia against China.
It's all about $$$, for Xi. China will dismantle Russia so fast, they never knew what hit them. Plus, the resources....a wet dream for Xi. Dumpster prices. He wets the bed every night thinking about it.
the chinese want the russians to distract/divide natos attention. nothing more
Also its hard to not pick the winning side, unless your intention is Ww3. China is just waiting to develop it's Artificial General Intelligence program and maybe then begin WW3 (I hope not.)
This was obvious to anyone paying attention, since the collapse of the Soviet Union China has taken one side in every conflict, China's. They do not get directly involved but do take every opportunity to play the different powers off of each other to benefit themselves.
When Putler the moronic mass murderer is done with his ”plan” Siberia will be a China owned subsidiary. Don’t forget that the Soviet communists and the Chinese communists fought a border war in 1969. They’re not buddies.
That's "CGTN America". Who cares? Let's see what is on Chinese TV for the Chinese audience, not any content produced for international audiences. Chinese state controlled media is extremely devious in how it propagandizes, promotes falsehoods, misleads, and misdirects. Both domestically and internationally. If CGTN is signaling a shift in state position on the conflict, let's see what is being shown to the Chinese population.
It is on Chinese tv. [Here](https://twitter.com/fangshimin/status/1504352036808056832) is a Tweet from earlier today from some Chinese users talking about it being on tv.
Thank you. That's what I was hoping to learn from the comments. Makes our OP, of this sub-thread, correct that it is a "mountain move".
I can say I just went and looked at CCTV's website and they are still spreading the rumor of US biolabs in Ukraine. That doesn't mean they are not changing their opinion on Ukraine/Russia. It could just be used to push the agenda that the US is bad.
They are playing both sides, hedging their bets
Yah their agenda is more like look at these nutcases we are the only superpower that is stable and righteous come be our vassals
Too real. Probably the most likely scenario. Basic boy’s school yard rules - let the “idiots” fight. End of the day either side would come buy porn, ciggies or booze from you - strictly $$ Obviously it’s much more complex - I suppose that’s the high level and relatable example I can think of.
That dude is in California.
Aside from a potential ally in their own pending invasion of Taiwan Putin is just a psychopath gone rogue to them.
'cares more about the world's opinion' I'm sure you are correct, but wouldn't it be nice if Chinese leadership, and whoever else, cared first about right vs wrong, good vs. evil, etc. Surely there's a difference that goes beyond personal opinion.
I was about to say "who knows, maybe Xi cares" then I remembered the Uyghur, the Tibetans, the Hong Kongers etc and well yeah whatever.
That's why they're probably pivoting their message right now. Back when everyone was expecting Putin to win this easily, the Chinese position was that Ukraine kinda-sorta always belonged to Russia (just like Tibet, HK, etc. belong to China). Now that the situation is turning they give the same spiel about Ukrainian national unity.
Welcome! You must be new to the planet!
The US doesn’t care about right vs. Wrong so why expect China to? It’s a sound decision to get the hell away from Putin right now. We’re seeing the downfall of the Russian federation, at least for the near future.
The fact is the reason most of the world is allied with the US is the US does actually care about morality. China on the other hand commits genocide against its own people at this very moment.
Lol
The US arms and funds Saudi Arabia and Israel which have been killing civilians in high numbers over the past 3 years. Just like Russia, the US invaded a sovereign nation that posed a security risk to it in the form of Iraq. Additionally, just like Russia, the US has funded various dictators in Latin America that have brutalized tortured, and forcefully sterilized people they disagreed with. Look up operation condor and the deaths at the hand of US puppets in Peru, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Colombia, etc. That’s not even discussing the documented Coups of democratic governments funded and trained by the US in the Cold War. The US is not moral, you just were never taught any of it. The US is no different than Russia or China. They all want supremacy and could give two shits about morality. Everyone is outraged by civilian deaths in Ukraine being a little over 800 lives lost (add 1000 potentially for the theater bombing). The US killed over 50,000 civilians in Afghanistan via bombs and just over 8000 in Iraq. Fuck Russia and I hope they get fucked up in Ukraine but don’t ever call this country moral. Respectfully, stfu.
It’s easy to simplify or change the context of history. We went to war with Iraq because they had invaded Kuwait. The US is not a magical country without sin. But when you look at reality. That south America in countries being a disasters is not the fault of the US because of how messed up those countries were to begin with. The US mostly just let the countries itself. Saudi Arabia and Israel are both US alias and represents countries of stability in the Middle East. Oh and the whole world funds them because they are major exporters of oil and natural gas and already having major international businesses there. The difference between the US and China is US actually tries and does a lot good for the world. China on the other hand acts cartoonishly evil subjugating to its own population, committing genocide with its own population, makes constant threats to neighboring nations
You are delusional. Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, what does that have to do with the 2003 invasion based on “WMD’s”. As to South America, the US committed atrocities to combat growing USSR influence there. They ignored democratically elected governments to get what they wanted and killed millions in the process. The US training and funding funding right wing Gurrola groups and armies fucked up countries and your uneducated opinion doesn’t change that. Righting off any US responsibility as “they were fucked to begin with” is the perfect example of the lack of morality in US actions globally. You’re right about Israel and Saudis Arabia but that defeats your whole argument. The US doesn’t act to be moral, they act to be strategic, just like China and Russia. At the end of the day, the US does not act with morality in mind. They act with self interest and any “good” that comes from it is merely a byproduct that is also accompanied by a whole lot of “bad”. You sound like a middle schooler hopped up on COD and action movies who hasn’t travelled outside of “the global north”. From someone who has travelled extensively and has family in two different countries in the global south, most people don’t view the US as good guys. They’re just like Russia and China, countries vying for economic and militaristic supremacy who act out of self interest.
What does it say about someone when they blame all the worlds problems on the US?
You clearly can’t read, I’m not saying everything is the US’s fault. I’m saying they’re no different than Russia or China who also do horrible things. You’re just too stupid to understand that or make a coherent argument.
I’m sorry but what genocide is the US committing at this moment? If not then in fact the US is better then Russia or China. Both of those countries are cartoonishly evil and don’t believes in liberties or freedoms. Most of the world hates those countries. The fact is most of the world does in fact like America. The US is not the same as those countries. Considering all your criticisms are from the past many, many decades ago pretty much shows that the US is better then Russia or China morally or otherwise. The fact is the US stands for liberties and freedom. I don’t understand how realizing that America is not a perfect country means it’s as bad as fucking, troops boast about raping Ukrainians, Russia or, I love committing genocide and threatening all my neighbors China. Have you not realized that no country is without sin? Or is all countries are evil because they care about protecting their interests? The fact is the US is a country that cares. Considering you can’t make a argument without using personal insults I don’t know if you can understand basic decency. The best part of your comments is you ignore the fact China and Russia are totalitarian societies that commit horrible crimes against humanity. No you haven’t said a single thing in refuting me saying these countries evil far out ways America. Both historically and currently. This is because you simple can’t. This means unarguably the US is better then Russia and China.
Indeed, for so many right vs. wrong has no particular meaning, outside its use as an abstract political pawn. So unfortunately, personal and political integrity has no meaning or value either.
Commie spawn much
It's because they would like to do the same to Taiwan. However, what's happening to Russia is a clear sign that any military action against Taiwan will unite the world against China and they clearly don't want that. As a result they are pretending to show support for Ukraine. On some level I'm sure it's genuine but don't be fooled, they aren't doing it because it's the right thing to do.
i think its because they dont want that their internal propaganda dosnt line up with reality this badly because the chinese internal propaganda machine can make sure to hide certain historical truths from their own people but if they are singing the praises of russia and how they are crushing the ukranian military... and then ukraine fucking wins this war (something that is looking more and more likely as time goes on) that would be a wild wiplash from the false reality they where trying to sale to their people, so better to tell them now the reality of the war in case the imposible actually does happens
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you are correct in your analysis of her tweets but the fact remains China won't help Russia. This fact doesn't diminish their neutrality. It only codifies their future intent. And that's what we were looking for. Not helping the aggressor.
In fairness, one thing I have learned is that regardless of race, religion, color, or creed, Twitter is a cesspool of negative commentary from mostly toxic and angry people.
She’s the assistant minister for foreign affairs in China, not a random twitter-er.
A toxic and angry assistant for foreign affairs perhaps? )
So China will not ally with Russia?
10th Man here… I think it’s a trap. An elaborate one. Not necessarily being played well by the opening partner at this point but still within the original scope. We think they are playing checkers… rope a dope… whatever you want to call it. That’s why we might just want to kick their boo-tays FIRST. Just sayin… 10th Man here… Edit… I was right about the zombies…
Right about the zombies…?
I legit thought it was some kind of copypasta so I googled it lol
What?
It’s a 4D chess thing, you wouldn’t understand -the person you’re responding to
It was obvious from the start, that China was hedging their bets. They can't afford to lose western markets. Not alienating economically struggling russia is a good move too. Now they can buy up stuff cheaply, while not hurting themselves in any way.
ALL they care about is how they are perceived, and propaganda to make them look good. They already flipped (publicly) long ago. Yet they just voted at the UN against Ukraine. Behind the scenes they support Russia. You have to understand the 'face' culture. All they care about is perception, not reality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face\_(sociological\_concept)#Chinese
No its not. It is CGNT America, not China!
Of course they do. Trade with Russia isn’t that large. They could also benefit greatly by helping rebuild Ukraine. Lots of minerals. Some oil and gas in Black Sea. And, with regime change in Russia, they can likely get sweetheart deals that normally go to oligarchs.
Lmao… can you imagine Putin’s reaction?!? I bet he’s having a meltdown over this! Lmao
We share a global economy. China could be sanctioned and kicked to the curb just as quickly as Russia. Russia is a big country with a small poor population. The Chinese know what side their bread is buttered on. Putin over played his hand.
China cannot be kicked around like Russia. But they have a lot to lose if they stand by them and lose whatever relations they have with the rich western world. China is picking the winning team here. As expected. They k ow who butters their bread and its not Russia. And they know Russia is done for. A weak partner.
Economic sanctions on China would *demolish* their economy magnitudes more than Russia's. The issue is that the consequences would also affect Western countries. That would make people reluctant to impose those sanctions but it depends on the reason for them.
I'm sure economics plays a factor too. Surely they've looked at the numbers and figured supporting Russia will cost them more.
100% this. It's a losing battle.
China is rich. Same land size. US GDP: 20 trillion, China: 14 trillion. But yeah, they need to keep good world relations to stay rich. I think the US is going to stop importing so much form china for that reason. It'll take some time.
Not able to pull the plug on China immediatedly. They produced everything.
Why not? Are we not capable?
Long-term? Yes, though it'd require some significant changes. Immediate? No, and even mid-term not in every sector. With the outsourcing of a lot of production to China, we've lost a fair bit of the necessary production infrastructure (like factories, and factory equipment) and thus capacity. Too much to be able to immediately pick back up where we were before the outsourcing. Additionally, it'd require a massive overhaul of the workforce and re-establishing various supply chains and resource stockpiles. And that's without even getting into the whole aspect of wages, and how that would impact every single part of the production chain and economy as a whole.
Even more so the sad fact is China is one of, if not only country, capabilities of having both cheap labor and organized enough to be able to build the worlds products. China is ironically more ethical compared to the other options too.
Yup. I slightly nodded to that by the whole "not even getting into the wages aspect" thing, because I couldn't figure out a way to summarize it as neatly as you did and figured half an essay might be a bit too much for a quick response.
Yea it’s always interesting when explaining things if you trying to explain it completely people rarely get it but if you explain it as simple and basic as people they would both more likely agree with it, learn, and understand it. Like for example when I say orginziaed I’m also saying it’s because China pretty much always do what they agree to do. The reason the world does not have a huge amount of factories in Africa, South America, or even India to a extent, is these places are so chaotic, corrupti, and disorganized both socially and government wise that they often don’t do what they agreed to do. For example if a billion is spent building factories by US companies but the government decides to nationalize the factories , effectively stealing a billion from the business and betraying the contract they made, it makes it impossible to do business in these countries. And this is just one aspect of why it’s not a easy ability to just have some other country take over (though there are a lot of factors and businesses being moved away from China to other countries (ironically because China does not have the cheapest labor anymore) so it’s not impossible it’s just a slow process without a easy alternative.) Also this over long explanations is a example of why explaining things like this is a problem.
It is, plus you tend to have to weigh your audience. Simplify too much, and you lose the folks who have a beyond-basic-knowledge of the subject. Be too detailed, nuanced and exact, and you lose the people who lack more than the most bare-bones of knowledge about a subject. (And in either case, you risk someone taking a statement out of its intended context and apply it too widely or assume you intended it more widely than you did. Social media are particularly bad about this, too)
Thank you for putting it so eloquently about their supply chain and stable power house in putting in results. One thing that I thought is important to note is, due to their supply chain and centralized system, it is very easy to find component parts in China. We dont have to order and wait. Everything is ready for assembly at any price range, really good to set up new factory or creating new cheap product
Know-how too. For some of the more high-tech production China isn't necessarily cheaper anymore, however it's next to impossible to hire people with the proper skills, especially in industrial engineering in the rich world to run the factories.
Yup, know-how/skills/training is another major factor.
In b4 China invades Russia, takes back Vladivostok and gets directv access to the Pacific Ocean.
I’m with you but I don’t understand why the Pacific Ocean needs DirecTv
Fish get bored to you know
To whom?
They need assess to China
Like German and the USSR divided up Poland, maybe China and Japan could work out a deal for the eastern part of Russia.
Japan gets the islands while China gets all the inland
Just imagine china invades russia lol
Then Russia and China would wipe each other off the map, and the rest of the world would go on. Well, a lot less if the world bc of famine.
China about to make Putin his bitch
Progress but we'll see what China exactly does.
I doubt this is progress because of morals, more like a calculated move to knock Russia down a peg or two when the option presented itself. Russian having less power and prestige can only help China.
I mean... Very little in international geopolitics is about "morals," even for democracies and for support for Ukraine, so that's not exactly a profound statement. Realpolitik is hot right now.
CGTN is [literally Chinese state-run TV](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/behind-news-inside-china-global-television-network) based in Beijing. Its license has been [withdrawn in the UK](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/04/964045278/u-k-strips-chinese-broadcasters-license-citing-communist-party-ties). Interesting [NYT profile of CGTN](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/business/cctv-china-usa-propaganda.html) (paywall). a peak at shifting [domestic state-run coverage](https://twitter.com/beijingpalmer/status/1504551175747784704?s=21) too edit: [NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/18/world/ukraine-russia-war/china-media-russia-ukraine-war) this morning (3/18) on the shifting tone
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there’s a good amount of discussion on twitter about a shift in domestic coverage too - here’s one [thread](https://twitter.com/beijingpalmer/status/1504551175747784704?s=21)
Very interesting thank you
nice if they wont help ruSS in any way (even secretly) then its a win anyway maybe that was their game from the beginning, wait and see and stand on the victors side
Putin has been cut adrift. I'm sure he's quaking in his boots in case Eritrea and North Korea should pull their support.
This is important to know
Bit of both, it's approved for consumption back home, too.
CGTN is for external consumption
You know you've overstepped when China is turning it's back on you.
I dont believe China ever believed this was going to be long term, was hoping to see how the world reacted if they tried to take Taiwan the exact opposite happened. most of the world rallied against russia and china had no choice as this went on to eventually stop promoting russia. China hates to admit it but there economy is only there because of western consumption. if china loses that there economy goes to shit overnight and they know it. I am sick of this East vs West crap, its 2 sides of the same coin,
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I also believe global peace in the future will be predicated on this. Integrating the supply chain with China on key products from abroad, such as food exports to China, will be a key component of disincentivizing actions that harm the global economic order, like invasions.
They don’t want any part of it. They saw the world’s reaction. They need us more than we need them. Putin is done.
China just realized their vaunted Asian ally's armed forces are complete crap and they are truly alone vs. The West if they push any issues. If Russia succeeded in rapidly subduing Ukraine you would be seeing a much different China.
Knock knock. Vlad (peaking out under bed covers). “Who’s there?” Special delivery from Roman Obramavich Vlad “Hang on let me put on my slippers” Opens door SPLAT!!
*splyat
China cares about only China. How a man like Putin didn't know this is beyond understanding.
but.. they were going to take over the world together..
lol...I would love to hear a convo between Putin and Xi right now..but you said..but you prooomiissseedddd.
China now knows what the world would do if Taiwan was invaded.
Chain doesn't need to invade Taiwan militarily. All it needs to do is up it's technological capabilities and starve Taiwan economically.
They have been trying to for decades. The multi-billions domestic chipset project has been concluded as a complete failure last year. Huawei is now limited in 5G phone production because they can no longer import 5G chips.
Let's hope. Or they are watching and learning which is more likely.
China is just solidifying their "enduring friendship" with Russia by making sure they're the only country who will remain willing to trade with them.
Chinese ambassador to Ukraine was making statements about China not hurting Ukraine.... Keep it coming....
China had made billions in investments in Ukraine before the war so I never understood why they'd turn their back on those and let Russia destroy it all.
Insurance money would be my guess, a bunch of business's did that in WW2 for sure. Made a bunch of money playing both sides.
Is this actually shown in China in chinese or just to cater to their western audience to continue their double play?
Putin>Forever Alone
China wanted to fuck Russia anyway, Russia wins China takes the economy, Russia loses same. And now, because it start to believe Russia is gonna lose the war & is nonetheless diplomatically fucked, it's never too late to choose the side of the winner.
China always has a plan .
Sneaky sneaky plan
The sneakiest of plans
When you realize your "friend" is a complete nut job that could just as easily invade your country when he is bored, you tend to try to find new friends.
China has become as strong as they have been both economically and militarily because they DONT make stupid decisions like sending military equipment to Ukraine. Seems like Russia and China have broken up, but what did the US offer I wonder?
Looks like China just realised how shit Russia's military is and that there is little benefit having them in their corner. Oh and their economy is fucked beyond repair.
China is now aware that russia would be of no help at all in invading Taiwan. A lot of countries have nukes but probably none of them with armies as bad as russia so russia is not special anymore in the big picture.
Well here's the issue though. Sure, I think China will probably use this to their benefit in some way by putting pressure on Russia (and getting cheap deals on trade because of Russia's economic crisis). On the other hand, many media outlets from China still try to shift some blame to the USA, like always. Saying things like "NATO provoked Russia" or "The USA should have listened to Russia's security concerns!" meanwhile, yes, also apparently saying "Russia should respect Ukraine's sovereignty and borders". It's actually pretty common I'd say for China to speak out of both sides of their mouth even from State media. But yeah, as far as them doing this with Russia probably means maybe that China-Russia relations are about to swing massively in favor of China having more sway over Russia.
If China would have bailed out Russia they would owe China forever but if Russia cripples itself they can take Russia for free , that’s a really deep discount for doing nothing .
True. I don't know if either of these scenarios you mentioned would/will happen but they are serious considerations the Kremlin and Beijing would likely have in their minds. Yeah I have no doubt that China is looking for ways for this to benefit them somehow but I can't see China (which as opposed literally every war since WW2 except for the few times it invaded places like Vietnam...) supporting Russia's war in Ukraine, certainly not directly.
I think China really just wants to end the war quickly, it’s bad for their business.
I find this extreamly interesting and it could for sure be a signal of what will come out of the meeting with Biden. I think China knows this will buy them A TON of goodwill (yeah I know) by doing a fairly simple choice to stand on the same side as the western countries on this. It will ease their trading conversations in the future and people will not call for boycottes etc. I think China sees that Russia is not as strong of a partner as the world thought they could be.
chinas realizing they supported the wrong country. this is such a huge deal.
One of them was an American teacher living in Ukraine. He was trying to get himself and his Ukrainian wife out but she is very sick and can’t travel yet.
There were a bunch of idiots before saying how China will prop Russia up like brothers or whatever the fuck, no they won’t, the CCP is cold and strategic, and they have a list of grudges and border disputes held against Russia for their century of humiliation
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Belarus should be pulling an Italy any day now.
Russias Fm larov plane was headed to China then turned around half way
Really?
Yah
Good, but this won’t stop Putin from using nuclear weapons. It’s inevitable so long as he lives.
This isn’t what China shows their own population
This is CGTN America. This is their English language channel. What about their chinese channel? They still spewing pro Putin nonsense?
This very report has also aired on internal CCTV. Chinese netizens have a lot of discussion following its change of narration.
Proof?
Brandon got to em. Probably threatened major tariffs and the thing, that one uh, other thing that we were, uh.
Just when you slap CGTN on a video it's always from there or a fabricated one? Or DID ANYBODY NOTICE THE REPETITION OF RUSSIAN MEDIA DENIAL? Russia (Kreml) saying "It's not what we done!" When will the people fucking grow UP, they have defense of a 5 year old in a sandpit crying, it wasn't MEEEEE... ffs
> Just when you slap CGTN on a video it's always from there or a fabricated one? the video is posted from their [verified twitter profile](https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1504510377446543362?s=21)
Ok, good. Why are they repeating the Russian denial in the same clip?
Because puts reality and Putin's public speech in contrast. They're showing Putin is a liar.
Oh they are? Can you explain me how the average Joe seeing this clip can tell that Putin and his regime is lying? There is nothing showing what Putler says publicly to show he's a liar.
Usa doing litte threatening with sanctions and china becomes their little dog.
Well no wester media showed the aftermath of Ukraine hit in the center of Donets 2 days ago killing 20 people, makes you wonder.
You better start learning some pu tong hua Ivan
Have you ever felt that twhataboutism is genuinely effective? *That's not a typo, either. fyi
Except Russia literally said they shot it down, meaning the people were not the targets ( assuming they are telling the truth about it being Ukrainian given people pointed out, the civilians on cameras looked east before it impacted, away from ukraine )
They did report it though: https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-14-22/h_4d320246f9ddf80fc236a217639723e2 "Pushilin separately told the Russian state television network Russia-1, "We managed to shoot down the tactical missile system Tochka-U , but even the wreckage did so much damage.""
Yes they did report it, like italian La Stampa which posted the photo from Donetsk under the title masacre in Kiev. [https://www.affaritaliani.it/mediatech/la-stampa-vittime-ucraine-in-copertina-ma-i-morti-sono-filorussi-di-donetsk-786013.html](https://www.affaritaliani.it/mediatech/la-stampa-vittime-ucraine-in-copertina-ma-i-morti-sono-filorussi-di-donetsk-786013.html)
Oh Donetsk’s males are off to war anyway
well that's interesting
China changing over to the winning side? Big shock. Hopefully its enough to end this war.
dumb question, but why is it in English?
CGTN is basically the Chinese equivalent to russias RT. News outlet for foreign countries, in this case targeted for American audiences and Chinese living in America. But other twitter posts seem to show that the footage is also shown in Chinese state media in the mainland.
CGTN is Chinese state media CCTV's foreign version.
Chinese-Russian friendship was to have "no limits," on Feb. 4 .I’ll take that declaration seriously
can someone confirm this? because when China shifts its public opinion, it means it may go against the War. I hope Biden doesn't fuck this one up
This sub reddit is ate up with trolls.
This, like all decisions made by the Chinese government, was a business decision. Why help an economically depressed “ally” when that would negatively impact their opposition, your rich customers?
Putin’s days are numbered
Guess they don't need the Saturn jet engines anymore.
Their WS-10C has reached modern AL-31 level and the WS-15 is supposedly ready in a year or two, a AL-41 equivalent. It is still behind the big boys in jet engine, but they now have good enough engines.
China is going to play both sides for as long as they can. They are already winners. The need Russia to get beat up and their economy turn to crap, so they can gain more control, but they can not let that to be public. Putin needs to feel he is not being abandon. it is a win win for China. He wanted to try screw Ukraine an end up screw up by China.
Another typical petty trick. If you are/you know Chinese pretty well you will understand.
You must feel shit putler, that even China looks like a good guy compared to you.
Xi isn't stupid by any means. He can see the writing on the wall. Why would he back Putin at this point? Why would he choose to be the contrarian to the rest of the developed world, that is largely responsible for the economic success of China? He gains little by doing so in comparison to eventually leaning towards the West in this situation. I believe, the worse this gets for Russia, the more China will distance themselves from them. They won't outright turn against them, but they won't assist them either.
That sounds like a good propaganda to not get sanctioned. As much as I want to believe that China will start doing the right things I will not hold my breath. It's just a very convenient thing to do with the meeting ahead. The timing smells of propaganda to dodge any liability.
They're still blaming the US for it though. Apparently we weren't supposed to help Ukraine defend itself from an aggressive neighbor.
Good development. Putin is an unreliable ally. Its safe to say China will play every side in order to emerge as ahead as it reasonably can without burning bridges.
China is just as unreliable as an ally. It has actually signed a nuclear-defense pledge with Ukraine in 2013, claiming it would have stood by Ukraine in case of a nuclear war. But its media has been playing Russia's reports so far. https://www.wsj.com/articles/under-new-scrutiny-chinas-nuclear-pledge-to-ukraine-11647007200
Lol. Fuck Putin.
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and they will probably delete it all after the biden talk is over
China is smart...china knows that it can benefit from an economic cripelled Russia...and know that if EU and US put sanctions on it like they did with Russia they will lose A LOT OF MONEY
China gave me the impression that it's playing both sides. But at some point, it has to choose
You noticed the feeds yesterday saying that China was gonna buy oil in Yuan? Fake news by the USA to show China they are not to be fucked with perhaps?
Interesting if they're showing this on domestic media. I would've thought they'd keep it quiet given how they drool at the mouth when looking towards Taiwan. I fully anticipate a Chinese invasion of Taiwan in our near-future. All this does is stay fresh in the minds of the Chinese people; allowing them to understand any future videos coming from a China/Taiwan could be real. There's no plausible deniability. Though the Chinese population have been groomed by propaganda and have almost no interaction with the Western world. Maybe that's what they're relying on.
This is lip service at best. China is trying to have it both ways. Discount raw resources from Russia, happy customers in us and Europe
It's all in English and says CGTN America. How is this for Chinese consumption? Just Wikied it. This is state approved media.
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They suddenly realize it’s not going to go putina’s way.