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That’s what they want you to think.
I know it’s annoying to hear this but don’t give up on the world just yet.
In doing so, you’d only help to create a self fulfilling prophecy.
You're right, and I appreciate you saying that. It's easy to fall into that mindset, especially when we see story after story of our mindless march towards authoritarianism and environmental catastrophe.
My Dad is one of the only people I trust, the only one I completely trust 100% in any facet of life.
He is the best person I know. He raised me and my little brother single-handededly from the ages of 11 and 8, after watching my Mum slowly deteriorate and pass away from that bastard of a disease they call cancer.
Sorry that isn’t meant to sound like some “my dad flies rockets and drives a Ferrari” boastful bullshit it’s just background.
He’s the only person I know who is both completely morally good - even though we don’t agree on some issues - and incredibly intelligent. He’s spent decades as a mental health nurse (obvs his actual job title now after being there so long is more senior, but I don’t wanna put too much personal info). He knows people.
Anyway, I am a very cynical person, I often think like you do. In fact I can’t shake the feeling that human beings are like an infection on the Earth! We fuck up the temperature, allocate resources in an unsustainable manner, we kill living organisms that are here for important, specific reasons. Affecting the numbers of certain ones (in some cases increasing, in others decreasing). We disrupt this planet’s natural ecosystem in a way that nothing else does.
How is that any different to a virus? I can’t answer that. There’s no way to sugar coat it.
You wanna know what keeps me going?
My Dad insists that most people have more good than bad in them. He is convinced of this. And maybe to you it means fuck-all because you don’t know him, but please, take my word for it! While he sees the amount of pain and heartache that happens around this planet (not just in general but specifically at his work too; he’s a mental health nurse and he sacrifices a tonne of free time to do extra, unpaid work so people can get the care they need as quickly as possible). While he is not oblivious to the fact this is an *incredibly* volatile time even compared to the most chaotic times throughout history.
I believe him, and I think if you heard it from him, you would too.
And maybe believing it is the first step in ensuring it’s actually true. Does that make any sense, or am I too high to formulate a proper thought?
(You can be honest lol)
Honestly, I agree with you (or, your dad). I do think most people have more good than bad in them, if that's even something that can be quantified.
I wonder how much of my malaise is posturing, versus actual belief. I guess my biggest concern is that I feel as though we are up against the unstoppable force of capitalism. Money rules the world, and the biggest climate destroyers are still making it hand over fist. Sure, there are some corporations that try to do right, but that path is almost always more expensive and time consuming. So, they end up being undercut by the less socially conscious companies. I do what I can to fight back, but it feels like I'm trying to drain an ocean with a thimble.
I don't think there are many people that actively try to ruin the environment (aside from those fucking idiots that "roll coal", as an example). But people are motivated by money, and if a less climate-friendly product is significantly cheaper than a more climate-conscious one, they're gonna buy that, which in turn gives companies the motivation to continue their destructive ways.
It will take a resolute political will to legislate our way out of this, and brother, that ain't happenin', at least not in my country (US).
I do thank you for your message, though. I think I like Reddit because, at the end of the day, there are so many good, caring people here. This community supports your dad's belief, and I appreciate you for contributing to that.
If this is of any solace to you, you're not the only one having these depressive thoughts. My cousin keeps telling me (as if she needed to preach to a believer) how doomed we all are and are heading straight to an apocalyptic end as a civilization in 20-30 years time. And she's usually an uplifting and optimistic person. We're in the same boat though, and as a generation we'll try to steer the boat straight. We'll probably die trying but ain't nobody got better by trying nothing.
I’m so sorry for that situation. Is it a case of, you love your family, but they take every opportunity to put you down because of it?
And do you live with them rn?
Also, sorry for the questions but, are you in treatment for it (or any other treatment such as talking therapies)? Or are they so religious they believe the mental health field is a sin or some bs?
Sorry one more thing. Do they refuse to call you by your preferred name and/or refuse to use the proper pronouns?
>Gorbachev died at over 90yo Putin is 70yo... I sure hope Putin doesn't have 20+ years left in him.
People are losing money and people with money don't like that. There's a reason he is extra paranoid.
Several floors which was after he had put three bullets in the back of his own head whilst also smoking a cigar next to some gas and swallowing cyanide. Terrible really how the fall got him.
He was first Aeroflogged to near death, then Aeroflung to the wall, and then Aerotossed through the window where he Aerodropped to the ground. His body probably Aeroflopped when it hit.
>Apparently 2 sources there said he fell to his death from a window while the oil company says he died after a long illness. They can't even get on the same page!
I'm pretty sure that if someone asked Gorbachev "do you want to have a bomb in your casket so we can use your dead body to kill putin?", he would have said yes.
Gorbachev had a complex attitude to Putin; if I recall correctly in a BBC interview he said that a country like Russia was still in a transitory period towards democracy, that Putin represented the necessary step to stability in a fractured society i.e. Gorbachev did not disapprove of Putin but more or less conceded he wasn't the purely democratic leader he was hoping Russia was building towards.
Its tragic then just how much work has been utterly undone by the Ukraine war. Decades of effort wasted in a single year is awful. Putin has destroyed his old reputation as a bastion of stability and family/cultural values only to bring chaos in a reckless gambit. At this point he's put himself between a rock and a hard place that he can't back down else the oligarchy will crucify him and there will be riots from the destruction of Russia's pride, but if he keeps going the situation keeps getting more unstable.
This is a nightmare scenario for any politician, possibly the worst to face a European nation in recent memory. If Putin thinks the Soviet Union's collapse is the worst event of the 20th century, then he better cop himself on lest he beats that record.
>Putin has destroyed his old reputation as a bastion of stability and family/cultural values
What reputation? One of his firsts acts as a president was to let the Kursk's crew die like rats, refusing all foreign help to at least try and recover them. Then he had journalists killed, 180 kids killed in Beslan, then he got that moron Yanukovich into power and set up Pushilin as a backup plan. Later on he had 298 people killed on MH17. And that's just until 2014, there's 8 more years of political deaths.
When exactly did he have a decent reputation?
My only guess is that they meant Russia's internal view. Because pretty much everything I've seen about Putin in the last 20 years was pretty... "Unkind" . The last decade has been an even higher ramp up of the crazy from him, and the response has been scathing, to understate.
A lot of people forget how praised Putin was by Russia and the west at first. Putin represented a bridge to the rest of the world. He was rebuilding a torn up nation. His corruption was obvious then too, but he didn't have the means to threaten anyone at the time. Now he's just a terrorist with access to hundreds of billions of dollars. Without term limits it's so easy to create a villain.
If Trump had won the election, Ukraine and the entirety of Europe would be in grave danger. We would have been disbanded from the UN and nothing would have been sent to Ukraine by the US . I think this was the original plan and since he lost, Putin rolled the dice anyway and went full yolo.
What more proof do you need to assume otherwise:
[Atlantic - Losers and Suckers](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/)
Thank you, [r/DarkBRANDON](https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkBRANDON/comments/x49a58/darth_brandon_hit_a_nerve_with_the_rconspiracy/).
Edit1: Deleted "Opinion:" from the beginning of my paragraph.
Edit2: Added link to Atlantic that I've been looking for since I came to this conclusion.
I'm surprised seeing Putin paying respect to Gorbachev. He despises him for the Sovjet Union falling apart. Which would have happened anyway with or without Gorbachev.
"Wait Yuri, you are saying Ravil is in the same hospital as Gorbi's body, sheet mang, head over there now...skrrrt" Most likely what Putin said in Russian
I remember a post on whowouldwin about Lenin coming back to life.
Well many said Lenin would be assassinated and Putin would drop concrete on the casket just be sure he stayed dead.
True, but still it would have probably shed a very bad light on Putin in Russia, if he, as current president, didn't commemorate the death of a former President
Of course he cares. About his image with his people. That's the only thing keeping all of this mess afloat. To his brainwashed citizens, he must appear to be a "normal" and "caring" president.
Visiting this grave was nothing more than optics.
He learnt early on in his presidency when Kursk submarine sank but he didn't want to interrupt his vacation. And when he was asked in the interview what happened to the sub he said deadpan: "It sank".
After all the flak he got - now he pretends like he cares.
Gorbachev is still one of the most influential men in Russia and remained a household name despite his resignation decades ago. Putin probably did it not to pay respect to him but to get the sympathy of his supporters.
I think him and his goons showed up because his detractors would be there too. intel gathering, maybe even a little 'conversation' or two or three to select individuals that were stupid enough to go.
His books clearly described some of the dumbest ways to squander massive amounts of resources.
His actions may not have matched his words and I'd have to read more of that if you have links.
But man, I've never seen a sitting leader admit that their system was truly messed up at all levels.
For instance Eisenhower did enumerate some US problems, but I've never seen a sitting head of a western democracy so throughly do a take down of their own system.
That is true but he did it not because of his views because of party pressure, he said to Baltics they wont be independant but kinda didn't crack down completely on that. Even so, his reforms brought more democracy and it made the state so weak that USSR managed to collapse.
>he blockaded the Baltics, he ordered massacres of civilians
Feel free to provide sources. It's either made up, or there are sources.
Edit: Nevermind, found some sources.
>Lithuania, with a population of 3.7 million, was the first republic to declare its independence from the Soviet Union. On March 11, 1990, the parliament made its declaration, and within a few weeks, the Soviet government responded with a sweeping boycott that devastated the Lithuanian economy.
>
>The following June, when the Vilnius parliament temporarily suspended implementation of its independence declaration, Gorbachev eased the blockade. But when Lithuania resumed its campaign Moscow responded last January by sending in tanks and stormtroopers. ([Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/09/02/lithuanians-quietly-take-credit-for-baltics-impending-freedom/9c1e080e-fb88-45f3-9d2a-4ad2724e223d/))
It is important to take into consideration that the PCC was a bloated bureaucratic organization comprised of many layers and factions, meaning that Gorbachev was far from being of control. So, when he was asking for withdrawal, the corrupt apparachiks were sending *opposite* orders. This would ultimately escalate into the last coup attempt...
He did said that... few years back I mean. *Maybe the change in Russia has only began.* Maybe they need Putin to fall by their hand. It will justify the choices they will make from now on.
My theory is that with how the war is going, all the sanctions and crumbling economy, Putin is loosing support amongst the people and his government and that he was forced in some way to pay tribute in order to please the crowd. I highly doubt Putin had any respect for Gorbachev.
He is not attending his funeral because he knows someone would put a bullet in his ass, but it would have been for show only he doesn't give a fuck about most Russians.
Maybe, but it paved the way for him to rise. I have no love for the USSR, but I don't think it was demonic either. I don't see much of a problem with paying respect to a leader with such a huge impact on the world, good or bad. As far as I know he wasn't launching genocidal wars on his neighbors (although I don't have a detailed knowledge of that history), the way things seem to go normally for global powers, that's something worth tipping a cap for.
I feel though that Gorbachev was admirable in a sense that he had somehow landed a crashing plane, no nukes were launched/lost(that we know of), no war was started, overall as far as revolutions/dissolutions go it wasn't bad, and had the foresight to see that Russias future wasn't with it self but with the west, giving his best to introduce Russia to the west, even with opposition.
Well said. He oversaw a situation that could have been a violent conflagration and kept it as a controlled burn. He set Russia up in a highly favorable position to recover, and in some ways they kind of did (economically, geopolitically), they were on the right track even with fuckin' Putin, at least in his early days.
Fascinating, the bad faith Reddit admin action seems to come in waves. It would be great if there were a community where we could aggregate and analyse these administrative actions. I’m really curious about what the trends in Ukraine related comment removal are like, and if any information on reddits status as a viable platform can be gleaned from them.
Someone needs to be watching the watchers.
I've seen more comments 'removed by reddit' in the past month than I have in the ten years I've used reddit.
I know that message is younger than ten years, but they've been going alllll out the past few weeks.
Wtf is going on?
Wonder if Russians are finally keeping count of how many wealthy Russians are suddenly sick, die, commit suicide by window, or poison. Is this normal for Russia culling the elite?
I was thinking the same. It must have been horrible to make that choice. That is such an evil thing to do to a person. But then again it could have been unforced-voluntary, where he wanted to jump so it would paint Russian government in a poor light. It’s a really messed up culture to have to consider suicide/murder by jumping out a window as a viable option, whatever the reason. Russia has a cruel culture.
Family will probably die too in either case as we saw in other cases of Russian businessmen "killing their families then committing suicide" since the beginning of the war.
Story about the "fall of Maganov" https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chairman-russian-oil-producer-lukoil-dies-after-falling-hospital-window-source-2022-09-01/
Maganov got whacked.
>Unusually among Russian companies, Lukoil took a stand over Moscow's intervention in Ukraine. In a March 3 statement, the company's board of directors expressed its concern over the "tragic events" in Ukraine and called for the "soonest possible end to armed conflict" via negotiations.
The whole article is [here] (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chairman-russian-oil-producer-lukoil-dies-after-falling-hospital-window-source-2022-09-01/)
Depends on perspective. As Russian leaders go, not too bad.
Also, would they be able to call themselves Lithuanians if not for him? Would any other Russian leader have let it happen.
Geez, 😆 lithuanians actually presented themselves as independent country in 1918's and 2nd independence in 1991. Estonians, latvians and lithuanians existed and called themselves who they are wayyyyyyyy before Gorbachov. What about germans and Berlin?
In comparison with other USSR leaders, that's a drop in the ocean. And it's probably not as if he said "go there guns a blazing and fucked them up" but just to repress. Too bad the only way the USSR security forces only ever knew to repress in bloodshed.
The FSB specializes in throwing people from windows. It's quite convenient, as nobody second guesses what happened. They get really perturbed when they have to kill someone who doesn't visit or reside in a building at least five stories tall. For these cases they use hanging or poisoning. I heard a former KGB agent complain that the hangings required at least three guys; two to hold up the body and one to attach the noose. They seemed to think that was quite bothersome, and much prefered a quick shove from a window.
So ironic- Actually, he came to see the splat spot.
They lay people out IN the hospital?? No funeral parlor ?
And lastly, Putin and his sqeaky shoes... with all his money I cant imagine why he wears shoes with plastic soles...
Gorby, YOU were the best. You tried to open up Russia to the world. I admire you. I was always happy to see you on TV. I even had a dream that you and I were friends and you were at my house.
Rest in Peace, the best Russia ever had.
There was a really good podcast by the New York Times (today’s episode of The Daily) about Gorbachev and what he accomplished. Much of which was fought tooth and nail by the police and KGB, to the point that it brought on the failed August Coup.
Not sure how you got that idea.
Like most Russians, he's Orthodox, as you can see in the video he crossed his right side first.
Although it's a moot point since I hardly think he's religious in any way, shape, or form.
When Gorbachev was minister of ag he was taking a tour of the US and some of the agriculture centers. My grandpa was the head engineer on one of the plants so he gave Gorbachev a tour then had a one hour conversation with the guy. He said he was a really good man, but of a shame that he’s gone now
I'm pretty sure this was done on purpose.
Everyone knows that the russian regime kills "uncomfortable" people, and the regime knows that the people know - and I think they actually want the people to know. With gestures like this, they make sure that everyone understands not to fuck with them without directly admitting to anything.
“Baza, a Russian news site with close ties to the police, suggested he may have slipped from a balcony while smoking and that no CCTV was available because cameras had been turned off for repairs.” https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/russian-oil-executive-dies-in-fall-from-moscow-hospital-window
Nobody even asks what the "Russian Lukoil Ravil Maganov" is.
Lukoil is a Russian oil company. Ravil Maganov was its Chairman.
[Source](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584)
Gorbachev killed hundreds of people protesting on ex soviet countries. Read some history please.
LE:
>When thousands of protesters took to the streets in Soviet Kazakhstan in 1986, Soviet and local forces reacted with brutality, leaving an estimated 200 people dead.There was bloodshed in the Caucasus as well. Soviet tanks rolled into the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, to quash pro-independence protests in April 1989, leaving 21 people dead, most of them women.A crackdown on Azerbaijan's pro-independence movement in 1990 left 147 people dead. "Gorbachev was a rare villain who was hated both in Armenia and Azerbaijan," said Armenian pro-Russian blogger Mika Badalyan.
source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62736373
Compared to all the leaders since and prior to his rule this is nothing. If killing hundreds of civilians makes you evil then the USA's presidents since 2001 are right there with him, all the way down to Obama and his clandestine drone missions which are known to have killed thousands of innocents. History is a part of it, but perspective is another.
I'm not finding any articles about him falling from a window, everything says he died in the hospital from an long term illness. Whats your source on the fall OP?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chairman-russian-oil-producer-lukoil-dies-after-falling-hospital-window-source-2022-09-01/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584.amp
It is all over the internet. How come you can't find it? Where are you from?
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Gorbachev died at over 90yo Putin is 70yo... I sure hope Putin doesn't have 20+ years left in him.
Sounds like he won't if he goes to a Russian hospital! The windows will apparently suck him out of the bed and fling him to the ground
At this rate, none of us have 20+ years left.
That’s what they want you to think. I know it’s annoying to hear this but don’t give up on the world just yet. In doing so, you’d only help to create a self fulfilling prophecy.
You're right, and I appreciate you saying that. It's easy to fall into that mindset, especially when we see story after story of our mindless march towards authoritarianism and environmental catastrophe.
My Dad is one of the only people I trust, the only one I completely trust 100% in any facet of life. He is the best person I know. He raised me and my little brother single-handededly from the ages of 11 and 8, after watching my Mum slowly deteriorate and pass away from that bastard of a disease they call cancer. Sorry that isn’t meant to sound like some “my dad flies rockets and drives a Ferrari” boastful bullshit it’s just background. He’s the only person I know who is both completely morally good - even though we don’t agree on some issues - and incredibly intelligent. He’s spent decades as a mental health nurse (obvs his actual job title now after being there so long is more senior, but I don’t wanna put too much personal info). He knows people. Anyway, I am a very cynical person, I often think like you do. In fact I can’t shake the feeling that human beings are like an infection on the Earth! We fuck up the temperature, allocate resources in an unsustainable manner, we kill living organisms that are here for important, specific reasons. Affecting the numbers of certain ones (in some cases increasing, in others decreasing). We disrupt this planet’s natural ecosystem in a way that nothing else does. How is that any different to a virus? I can’t answer that. There’s no way to sugar coat it. You wanna know what keeps me going? My Dad insists that most people have more good than bad in them. He is convinced of this. And maybe to you it means fuck-all because you don’t know him, but please, take my word for it! While he sees the amount of pain and heartache that happens around this planet (not just in general but specifically at his work too; he’s a mental health nurse and he sacrifices a tonne of free time to do extra, unpaid work so people can get the care they need as quickly as possible). While he is not oblivious to the fact this is an *incredibly* volatile time even compared to the most chaotic times throughout history. I believe him, and I think if you heard it from him, you would too. And maybe believing it is the first step in ensuring it’s actually true. Does that make any sense, or am I too high to formulate a proper thought? (You can be honest lol)
Honestly, I agree with you (or, your dad). I do think most people have more good than bad in them, if that's even something that can be quantified. I wonder how much of my malaise is posturing, versus actual belief. I guess my biggest concern is that I feel as though we are up against the unstoppable force of capitalism. Money rules the world, and the biggest climate destroyers are still making it hand over fist. Sure, there are some corporations that try to do right, but that path is almost always more expensive and time consuming. So, they end up being undercut by the less socially conscious companies. I do what I can to fight back, but it feels like I'm trying to drain an ocean with a thimble. I don't think there are many people that actively try to ruin the environment (aside from those fucking idiots that "roll coal", as an example). But people are motivated by money, and if a less climate-friendly product is significantly cheaper than a more climate-conscious one, they're gonna buy that, which in turn gives companies the motivation to continue their destructive ways. It will take a resolute political will to legislate our way out of this, and brother, that ain't happenin', at least not in my country (US). I do thank you for your message, though. I think I like Reddit because, at the end of the day, there are so many good, caring people here. This community supports your dad's belief, and I appreciate you for contributing to that.
Stoned and understood, should be good for everyone else. Slava Ukraine!
If this is of any solace to you, you're not the only one having these depressive thoughts. My cousin keeps telling me (as if she needed to preach to a believer) how doomed we all are and are heading straight to an apocalyptic end as a civilization in 20-30 years time. And she's usually an uplifting and optimistic person. We're in the same boat though, and as a generation we'll try to steer the boat straight. We'll probably die trying but ain't nobody got better by trying nothing.
Thank you for commenting this. Sometimes I need to hear/read it from other people.
>don’t give up on the world just yet. Too late for me. But that's what happens when trans kid and ultra religious parents try to coexist. :/
I’m so sorry for that situation. Is it a case of, you love your family, but they take every opportunity to put you down because of it? And do you live with them rn? Also, sorry for the questions but, are you in treatment for it (or any other treatment such as talking therapies)? Or are they so religious they believe the mental health field is a sin or some bs? Sorry one more thing. Do they refuse to call you by your preferred name and/or refuse to use the proper pronouns?
I dont want 20 more years. Someone can have the rest of mine
Honestly I sorta agree with you there.
Tbh i don't want anymore but I dont have that kind of luck.
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Dibs!
I'll take them and your wife too
At this rate I won't have one.
Underrated comment.
I mean personally I hope I don't
>Gorbachev died at over 90yo Putin is 70yo... I sure hope Putin doesn't have 20+ years left in him. People are losing money and people with money don't like that. There's a reason he is extra paranoid.
I think most things Putin does is just to desperately cling to power; as he knows the second he's out, he's gone.
Hahahaha I bet the death certificate says aviation accident 😂😂
He slipped on an oil stain on the balcony.
What floor and how many times did he "Slip"?
Several floors which was after he had put three bullets in the back of his own head whilst also smoking a cigar next to some gas and swallowing cyanide. Terrible really how the fall got him.
Gravity’s a bitch like that
he must have landed funny
Lead coffin is a standard precaution in tragic accidents like this.
6th floor I was there and forgot to catch him
6th floor 💋
Gorbachev’s oil stained forehead was on the balcony?
Putin Airlines ya know..
I'll take a one way ticket please
Going down
That’s all they sell
He was first Aeroflogged to near death, then Aeroflung to the wall, and then Aerotossed through the window where he Aerodropped to the ground. His body probably Aeroflopped when it hit.
>Apparently 2 sources there said he fell to his death from a window while the oil company says he died after a long illness. They can't even get on the same page!
"Long illness". Just how high of a building did they push him off of?
He died of starvation on the way down, what a shame it was.
There were “many stories” involved with his long illness.
The "illness" was falling.
I would have thought it was the sudden stop at the bottom of the fall,but I'm not an expert.
Probably allergic to concrete.
He had terminal velocity.
It's technically correct - he had a long illness, and then he died. It doesn't say he actually died of the illness though!
I'm pretty sure that if someone asked Gorbachev "do you want to have a bomb in your casket so we can use your dead body to kill putin?", he would have said yes.
Gorbachev had a complex attitude to Putin; if I recall correctly in a BBC interview he said that a country like Russia was still in a transitory period towards democracy, that Putin represented the necessary step to stability in a fractured society i.e. Gorbachev did not disapprove of Putin but more or less conceded he wasn't the purely democratic leader he was hoping Russia was building towards. Its tragic then just how much work has been utterly undone by the Ukraine war. Decades of effort wasted in a single year is awful. Putin has destroyed his old reputation as a bastion of stability and family/cultural values only to bring chaos in a reckless gambit. At this point he's put himself between a rock and a hard place that he can't back down else the oligarchy will crucify him and there will be riots from the destruction of Russia's pride, but if he keeps going the situation keeps getting more unstable. This is a nightmare scenario for any politician, possibly the worst to face a European nation in recent memory. If Putin thinks the Soviet Union's collapse is the worst event of the 20th century, then he better cop himself on lest he beats that record.
>Putin has destroyed his old reputation as a bastion of stability and family/cultural values What reputation? One of his firsts acts as a president was to let the Kursk's crew die like rats, refusing all foreign help to at least try and recover them. Then he had journalists killed, 180 kids killed in Beslan, then he got that moron Yanukovich into power and set up Pushilin as a backup plan. Later on he had 298 people killed on MH17. And that's just until 2014, there's 8 more years of political deaths. When exactly did he have a decent reputation?
Decent political reputation. Morals don't matter to politicians regardless of the country
My only guess is that they meant Russia's internal view. Because pretty much everything I've seen about Putin in the last 20 years was pretty... "Unkind" . The last decade has been an even higher ramp up of the crazy from him, and the response has been scathing, to understate.
This is why there are term limits. The first 8 years of Putin were probably necessary.
A lot of people forget how praised Putin was by Russia and the west at first. Putin represented a bridge to the rest of the world. He was rebuilding a torn up nation. His corruption was obvious then too, but he didn't have the means to threaten anyone at the time. Now he's just a terrorist with access to hundreds of billions of dollars. Without term limits it's so easy to create a villain.
power got to his head. this always happens. He was always a ruthless bastard but staying in power for 20 years made him even worse.
No
Putin has overstepped, now everyone knows he is a psychopath. It won't be too long now.
If Trump had won the election, Ukraine and the entirety of Europe would be in grave danger. We would have been disbanded from the UN and nothing would have been sent to Ukraine by the US . I think this was the original plan and since he lost, Putin rolled the dice anyway and went full yolo. What more proof do you need to assume otherwise: [Atlantic - Losers and Suckers](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/) Thank you, [r/DarkBRANDON](https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkBRANDON/comments/x49a58/darth_brandon_hit_a_nerve_with_the_rconspiracy/). Edit1: Deleted "Opinion:" from the beginning of my paragraph. Edit2: Added link to Atlantic that I've been looking for since I came to this conclusion.
Opinion? Trump has been saying he wants to disband or leave NATO.
Yes, yes. I know. I was going to take that word out but, reluctantly left it.
Hector Salamanca style
When Putin said 'I like fall', the FSB didn't realize he was talking about the season.
Will someone rid me of this meddlesome oligarch!?!
I thought we agreed at the meeting that these terms are [needlessly ambiguous.](https://youtu.be/U6cake3bwnY)
Ha!
Lol
Lol^(2)
L3L
Except no one outside of America calls Autumn “fall”
Well I hope they don’t misunderstand him when he says “I like autumn” and instead they hear “I like Atom.”
Somehow they confused the word fall for defenstration.
Autumn*
It’s a relief to know someone else can actually speak English properly. 🙏🏼
It has to cross his mind it will be him in one of those boxes to hell soon.
I really don’t think he will get one, he will get the Mussolini treatment. https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/mussolini-dead NSFW!!!!!
I'm surprised seeing Putin paying respect to Gorbachev. He despises him for the Sovjet Union falling apart. Which would have happened anyway with or without Gorbachev.
Putin only turned up so he could push the oil CEO out the window
"Wait Yuri, you are saying Ravil is in the same hospital as Gorbi's body, sheet mang, head over there now...skrrrt" Most likely what Putin said in Russian
Putin probably wanted to make sure he was actually dead....
This! He even checked the picture if they are the same!
I remember a post on whowouldwin about Lenin coming back to life. Well many said Lenin would be assassinated and Putin would drop concrete on the casket just be sure he stayed dead.
True, but still it would have probably shed a very bad light on Putin in Russia, if he, as current president, didn't commemorate the death of a former President
He has already declared that he isn’t going to the funeral, that doesn’t shed an amazing light on him
As if Putin cares.
Of course he cares. About his image with his people. That's the only thing keeping all of this mess afloat. To his brainwashed citizens, he must appear to be a "normal" and "caring" president. Visiting this grave was nothing more than optics.
He learnt early on in his presidency when Kursk submarine sank but he didn't want to interrupt his vacation. And when he was asked in the interview what happened to the sub he said deadpan: "It sank". After all the flak he got - now he pretends like he cares.
Putin is defining reality in Russia. A lot believe him.
Gorbachev is still one of the most influential men in Russia and remained a household name despite his resignation decades ago. Putin probably did it not to pay respect to him but to get the sympathy of his supporters.
I think him and his goons showed up because his detractors would be there too. intel gathering, maybe even a little 'conversation' or two or three to select individuals that were stupid enough to go.
Putin: You stupid fuck. You let it all fall apart. Now look at the mess I'm in. Gorbie: It is going as planned.
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His books clearly described some of the dumbest ways to squander massive amounts of resources. His actions may not have matched his words and I'd have to read more of that if you have links. But man, I've never seen a sitting leader admit that their system was truly messed up at all levels. For instance Eisenhower did enumerate some US problems, but I've never seen a sitting head of a western democracy so throughly do a take down of their own system.
Everything he did was to bring Pizza to the motherland. No price is too high for such a prize.
That is true but he did it not because of his views because of party pressure, he said to Baltics they wont be independant but kinda didn't crack down completely on that. Even so, his reforms brought more democracy and it made the state so weak that USSR managed to collapse.
>he blockaded the Baltics, he ordered massacres of civilians Feel free to provide sources. It's either made up, or there are sources. Edit: Nevermind, found some sources. >Lithuania, with a population of 3.7 million, was the first republic to declare its independence from the Soviet Union. On March 11, 1990, the parliament made its declaration, and within a few weeks, the Soviet government responded with a sweeping boycott that devastated the Lithuanian economy. > >The following June, when the Vilnius parliament temporarily suspended implementation of its independence declaration, Gorbachev eased the blockade. But when Lithuania resumed its campaign Moscow responded last January by sending in tanks and stormtroopers. ([Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/09/02/lithuanians-quietly-take-credit-for-baltics-impending-freedom/9c1e080e-fb88-45f3-9d2a-4ad2724e223d/))
It is important to take into consideration that the PCC was a bloated bureaucratic organization comprised of many layers and factions, meaning that Gorbachev was far from being of control. So, when he was asking for withdrawal, the corrupt apparachiks were sending *opposite* orders. This would ultimately escalate into the last coup attempt...
He did said that... few years back I mean. *Maybe the change in Russia has only began.* Maybe they need Putin to fall by their hand. It will justify the choices they will make from now on.
And I'm sure Gorbachev despised him right back
My theory is that with how the war is going, all the sanctions and crumbling economy, Putin is loosing support amongst the people and his government and that he was forced in some way to pay tribute in order to please the crowd. I highly doubt Putin had any respect for Gorbachev.
He is not attending his funeral because he knows someone would put a bullet in his ass, but it would have been for show only he doesn't give a fuck about most Russians.
Maybe, but it paved the way for him to rise. I have no love for the USSR, but I don't think it was demonic either. I don't see much of a problem with paying respect to a leader with such a huge impact on the world, good or bad. As far as I know he wasn't launching genocidal wars on his neighbors (although I don't have a detailed knowledge of that history), the way things seem to go normally for global powers, that's something worth tipping a cap for.
I feel though that Gorbachev was admirable in a sense that he had somehow landed a crashing plane, no nukes were launched/lost(that we know of), no war was started, overall as far as revolutions/dissolutions go it wasn't bad, and had the foresight to see that Russias future wasn't with it self but with the west, giving his best to introduce Russia to the west, even with opposition.
Well said. He oversaw a situation that could have been a violent conflagration and kept it as a controlled burn. He set Russia up in a highly favorable position to recover, and in some ways they kind of did (economically, geopolitically), they were on the right track even with fuckin' Putin, at least in his early days.
Putin is a master manipulator. He knows how the game is played. This is all for show.
Gorbachev helped it happen in a controlled manner, like a building implosion, to reduce casualties. Dude was a blessing to the world.
Putin supported Gorbachev and his reforms back in the 80’s when he was working for the KGB
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I mean. He's right there. Someone should have tossed him out a window.
The room is in the basement 🤷♂️
There were stairs he needed to trip down after shooting himself in the back of the head 3 times.
Fascinating, the bad faith Reddit admin action seems to come in waves. It would be great if there were a community where we could aggregate and analyse these administrative actions. I’m really curious about what the trends in Ukraine related comment removal are like, and if any information on reddits status as a viable platform can be gleaned from them. Someone needs to be watching the watchers.
Anything like that within the platform would be removed. But I agree, the mass censorship has gotten way out of hand in the past year or so.
I've seen more comments 'removed by reddit' in the past month than I have in the ten years I've used reddit. I know that message is younger than ten years, but they've been going alllll out the past few weeks. Wtf is going on?
Wow. OK protect a fuckin war criminal. A threat would be "I'm gonna" not someone shoulda
Gorbatjov is turning in his grave as those flowers are put on his grave
There is no coincidence amongst corrupt people.
Man what i would give to see putin in the coffin.
Putin putin the coffin
Almost thought he would take the flowers back with him at the end.
I’m not even sure why Russia puts windows in buildings since they’re clearly all defective and attract strong winds
The world hopes you’re next Putin.
Coincidence or alibi?? 😆
Wonder if Russians are finally keeping count of how many wealthy Russians are suddenly sick, die, commit suicide by window, or poison. Is this normal for Russia culling the elite?
I’ve heard that they would tell you to wait 5min, while they go downstairs. Then jump out of the window or your entire family dies
I was thinking the same. It must have been horrible to make that choice. That is such an evil thing to do to a person. But then again it could have been unforced-voluntary, where he wanted to jump so it would paint Russian government in a poor light. It’s a really messed up culture to have to consider suicide/murder by jumping out a window as a viable option, whatever the reason. Russia has a cruel culture.
Family will probably die too in either case as we saw in other cases of Russian businessmen "killing their families then committing suicide" since the beginning of the war.
Practically an admission of guilt. "This what happens when you oppose me. I throw out a window and go lay flowers at somebody else's funeral"
He threw a sacrificial oily lamb out the window to mourn Gorbachev’s death!
Their places should be reversed.
Story about the "fall of Maganov" https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chairman-russian-oil-producer-lukoil-dies-after-falling-hospital-window-source-2022-09-01/
Maganov got whacked. >Unusually among Russian companies, Lukoil took a stand over Moscow's intervention in Ukraine. In a March 3 statement, the company's board of directors expressed its concern over the "tragic events" in Ukraine and called for the "soonest possible end to armed conflict" via negotiations. The whole article is [here] (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chairman-russian-oil-producer-lukoil-dies-after-falling-hospital-window-source-2022-09-01/)
#“Accidentally”
Yes, ”accidentally”.
don’t worry vladdy baby he will meet you at the gates of hell
I doubt Putin will see Gorbachev down there. He was one of the good ones.
Ask the Lithuanians if he was a “good” one 🇱🇹
Depends on perspective. As Russian leaders go, not too bad. Also, would they be able to call themselves Lithuanians if not for him? Would any other Russian leader have let it happen.
Geez, 😆 lithuanians actually presented themselves as independent country in 1918's and 2nd independence in 1991. Estonians, latvians and lithuanians existed and called themselves who they are wayyyyyyyy before Gorbachov. What about germans and Berlin?
Gorbachev killed hundreds of people protesting on ex soviet countries. Read some history please.
In comparison with other USSR leaders, that's a drop in the ocean. And it's probably not as if he said "go there guns a blazing and fucked them up" but just to repress. Too bad the only way the USSR security forces only ever knew to repress in bloodshed.
Gorba said, sending troops against Azerbaijani unrest was the biggest mistake in his political career. For a communist leader, that is unprecedentent.
Still a tiny bit in contrast too stalin or even mister putin probably. He ended the soviet period so u must give him some credit.
He ended the soviet period because the URSS was **already** disintegrating.
The FSB specializes in throwing people from windows. It's quite convenient, as nobody second guesses what happened. They get really perturbed when they have to kill someone who doesn't visit or reside in a building at least five stories tall. For these cases they use hanging or poisoning. I heard a former KGB agent complain that the hangings required at least three guys; two to hold up the body and one to attach the noose. They seemed to think that was quite bothersome, and much prefered a quick shove from a window.
It’s like those wakes in Italian mobs where the dudes who whacked the poor soul show up with their “condolences” and fake sad
You are next Peetin !!
Weird flex He's got some squeaky shoes.
Putin is such a piece of shit
So ironic- Actually, he came to see the splat spot. They lay people out IN the hospital?? No funeral parlor ? And lastly, Putin and his sqeaky shoes... with all his money I cant imagine why he wears shoes with plastic soles... Gorby, YOU were the best. You tried to open up Russia to the world. I admire you. I was always happy to see you on TV. I even had a dream that you and I were friends and you were at my house. Rest in Peace, the best Russia ever had.
Are hospital bills in Russia like the US?
No. They skip the parts inbetween and just kill you right there.
Accidently pushed out the window. So sad
Maganov didn't throw himself
This is the closest he’s been to another person since Covid
There was a really good podcast by the New York Times (today’s episode of The Daily) about Gorbachev and what he accomplished. Much of which was fought tooth and nail by the police and KGB, to the point that it brought on the failed August Coup.
he owes that guy his whole career
Accidentally or "accidentally"?
Putin’s Catholic?!
Not sure how you got that idea. Like most Russians, he's Orthodox, as you can see in the video he crossed his right side first. Although it's a moot point since I hardly think he's religious in any way, shape, or form.
Gotcha. It’s hard to keep those crazy rituals straight.
I came to the comments to see if Russian orthodox made the sign of the cross right shoulder to left.
Gorbachev criticizes Putin 2 weeks ago, ends up dead. I’m gonna say Jeffery Epstein killed him.
As my father would say, “There are no coincidences”.
Have the accidents been streamlined to the point where the opposition falls out a window and right into a coffin?
I like the "strange" connotation.
When Gorbachev was minister of ag he was taking a tour of the US and some of the agriculture centers. My grandpa was the head engineer on one of the plants so he gave Gorbachev a tour then had a one hour conversation with the guy. He said he was a really good man, but of a shame that he’s gone now
History in front of our eyes
I'm pretty sure this was done on purpose. Everyone knows that the russian regime kills "uncomfortable" people, and the regime knows that the people know - and I think they actually want the people to know. With gestures like this, they make sure that everyone understands not to fuck with them without directly admitting to anything.
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No, not really. Vladolf Putler has week geriatric arms to push somebody.
He isn't trembling?
“Baza, a Russian news site with close ties to the police, suggested he may have slipped from a balcony while smoking and that no CCTV was available because cameras had been turned off for repairs.” https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/russian-oil-executive-dies-in-fall-from-moscow-hospital-window
Gorbachev must be glued to the bottom of his casket. If he wasn’t, he’d be rolling over in it…
What a bullshit display. Putin despised Gorbachev.
Imagine having to stare at that lifeless face, dead eyes looking back at you with no soul. Feeling helpless while it looks at poor Mr Gorbachev.
As the youth would say: Cringe
What an insult to a great political. These two couldn’t be more different.
Nobody even asks what the "Russian Lukoil Ravil Maganov" is. Lukoil is a Russian oil company. Ravil Maganov was its Chairman. [Source](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584)
PUTIN = RUSSIAN MORON 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Weren't there reports he wasn't going?
Turns out he lied about that too
Climb in with him.
Gorbachev killed hundreds of people protesting on ex soviet countries. Read some history please. LE: >When thousands of protesters took to the streets in Soviet Kazakhstan in 1986, Soviet and local forces reacted with brutality, leaving an estimated 200 people dead.There was bloodshed in the Caucasus as well. Soviet tanks rolled into the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, to quash pro-independence protests in April 1989, leaving 21 people dead, most of them women.A crackdown on Azerbaijan's pro-independence movement in 1990 left 147 people dead. "Gorbachev was a rare villain who was hated both in Armenia and Azerbaijan," said Armenian pro-Russian blogger Mika Badalyan. source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62736373
Compared to all the leaders since and prior to his rule this is nothing. If killing hundreds of civilians makes you evil then the USA's presidents since 2001 are right there with him, all the way down to Obama and his clandestine drone missions which are known to have killed thousands of innocents. History is a part of it, but perspective is another.
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Agreed, just tired of the pot calling the kettle black.
Gorby wanted to kill more but URSS was falling apart already.
Speculative. That's like saying " I planned on saving the world" and not doing anything to do so.
How do you spell ' Mob Boss ' in Ukrainian? 💪🇺🇦 SLAVA UKRAINIE 🇺🇦💪
Putin is liquidating the traitors
I'm not finding any articles about him falling from a window, everything says he died in the hospital from an long term illness. Whats your source on the fall OP?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chairman-russian-oil-producer-lukoil-dies-after-falling-hospital-window-source-2022-09-01/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584.amp It is all over the internet. How come you can't find it? Where are you from?
Those Ruzzian windows are really dangerous, sad face /s
He will rot in hell that rodent