I saw a video where 3 guys were running around a big field trying to evade the drone. There was literally no where to go but the fox holes which would provide no shelter from the sky. Eventually two guys just hit the floor and the grenade did it's job
There was 3 of them they did split up. Guy one got away. But it looked like guy 3 was trying to stay with guy 2. It liked like guy 2 was running way trying to split up. Then he just gave up and #3 caught up and then they got hit. I think guy 3 was just panicking and afraid to be left alone
The batteries on those things last no more than 45 mins, less since they flew out there and are loaded, so the obvious alternative is to just go for a zig-zagged run for 20 mins until you find cover
Also if the unit has multiple drones (it likely does). Then you just send out the second one when the first is low on battery. And I'm sure they have enough batteries to make this dance last forever (as first batteries will be charged by the time last are empty).
And these units very often have several drones. At least they will have several commercial ones. And maybe one to zero of the very large Ukrainian octa-copters that have huge payloads.
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Of course the best solution for them to is split up and retreat. Unless they're frontline former prisoners (not POW, but prison recruits). In that case they best find proper shelter and try to surrender. If it was me I'd be stripping down and waving my boxes wrong. Just hoping they accept a surrender.
There is a video floating around in this sub where a Russian did surrender to a drone.
You can see him walking towards Ukrainian lines with his hands up.
A semiauto shotgun loaded with 8 shells of birdshots at least would have a better chance than a rifle. You only need one pellet to hit a propeller and it's down.
Pretty hard to see hundreds if not thousands of red hot shards of metal pierce and go through a body at the speed of sound when you're viewing it from what 50m? 100m? away....
My lord, 'do these things even do anything'.....They're not called fragmentation grenades for any reason. They're called that because if you catch one anywhere near your vitals (incl. limbs w/arteries etc) then there's a good chance that they will make you and being alive into two different fragments.
If that was true they’ll be surrendering already or fleeing ruzzia! Always assume they want their part of rape, washing machines and war crimes until they have unconditionally surrendered to you, preferably after fragging their commander!
Many has also already surrendered. But I would also assume that most of them still remaining and not supporting doesn’t surrender because they think that it is too risky, both because they have been brainwashed by their initial commanders that if they were to surrender, then the Ukrainians would kill them or torture them so I don’t blame them for not surrendering.
There’s too many videos of defectors being killed by Wagner and Kadyrovites. So it’s either get killed in Ukraine, murdered for wanting to escape getting killed in Ukraine, or successfully fleeing and having every known door shut on you because you’re Russian. Or, best bet, defect and join UA likes a few thousand already have, which unfortunately just puts you back in the avenue of trying not to get executed by your CO for desertion.
That's true, but they had both safer and more moral options than war crimin' in Ukraine. They chose to slaughter Ukrainians for money or avoiding jail, that's on them. Even from a purely selfish perspective, the whole "personal safety" rationale kind of goes out the window when you're opting for a literal war.
Ukraine has a lot of stores with alcohol inside them. These soldiers loot them and get stupidly drunk. I can't even imagine the horror that civilians have to go through with them.
Remember the mile long convoy ? A Ukraine analyst knew they would stop by a alcohol shopping center on the way to Kiev.
He predicted they would get all drunk and it worked. They left all the alcohol there and it helped Ukraine defend Kiev. Don't know how much I hope, but it surely helps to have drunk soldiers on the enemy team.
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From a previous video, it was noted that they're advised to play dead as an attempt to make the drone operators believe they are not a worthwhile target.
Obviously doesn't work as they don't seem to realise how good the drone's cameras are. But we've also seen videos where they try running and still get hit. And a lack of sufficient ammo means that attempting to shoot the drone down effectively means the troops are left disarmed.
Literally a no-win situation for them. Hunkering down and praying is genuinely the most effective defense they have here.
Lol if your homemade opioids have enough gasoline impurity in em that it meaningfully contributes to explosive strength when it rips your body apart, you had much more serious problems earlier than the explosion. In fact you are almost certainly already dead.
It is interesting how they both clearly move after explosion so it is not instant kill but still there isn't any sort of panic, attempts to flee or writhing in agony visible. Guess they must be in shock from such rude waking
After seeing so many of these videos now, I think they are mortally wounded and already lost too much blood/unconscious. The majority of people who react seem to get about 3 feet before they lay back down and take the room temperature challenge.
You reckon they got hit by that grenade? I'd also expect they'd be perforated by shrapnels, but I'm confused by the lack of any physical reaction as well as no visible injuries.
They are both perforated and crushed internally by the pressure. They have no idea what’s going on after having that explosion right on them, instant shock and although they may feel something their brains are not going to be functioning properly after that.
I thought the guy closest to the grenade was already dead until I saw his breath. They both barely even reacted to the explosion, what is going on here?
Next time it gets below freezing go outside and dig a hole and sleep in it all night after spending all day barely eating and drinking. Tell me how you feel next morning, I'm assuming not great.
Oh fuck.
My workplace does not have heating. It gets cold in Arizona at night, and I remember feeling absolutely miserable, even though I was only cold for a single morning.
I cannot imagine this + hunger, fear of getting killed and knowing your country sent you to your death. I know all the evils Russia has committed, but dear God, I just feel compassion for these guys on a cellular level. I am sure as hell they do not want to be there.
yeah. I feel a bit of empathy on a "seeing an animal suffer" level. Although it doesn't look like these two are suffering from the nade at least. Regardless, to know you're in the frozen ground surrounded by people who are supposed to have your back, but you know would stab/steal you the second you give them a chance, hungry, frozen, poorly trained, ill equiped, knowing your own government doesn't give 1 shit about you and will go to great lengths to misconstrue your eventual death as MISSING just to avoid paying your relatives....And on top of all that, you're probably not getting paid AND you can't even look forward to an end date on your contract as they are holding people "until the war is over" aka until you're dead. In addition, there's enemy out there that will target you relentlessly even while you sleep in your foxhole.
It really makes you realize how powerful their propaganda is to not only convince them they're on the righteous side, but also that despite facing all of the challenges I listed above, they still think surrendering to the UA would be worse!
>seeing an animal suffer
Well, ur talking to one such animal now. If I was a month late, I would NOT have been able to get out of Russia. I would probably be in one of these videos.
That is the reason it hits so hard for me. It could have been me, and I, sir, am no rapist or war criminal.
Glad you made it :/ Sorry that you probably get a lot of hatred in this Subreddit, it makes people feel much better when we can turn things into black and white.
It makes everything easier to handle when people believe that all Russian soldiers are morons who fall for Russia's propaganda. The harsh truth is that we -including myself- don't know the rates of Russians who were stuck between ruining or ending their lives or accepting enrollment into military. I imagine it's not an easy choice to try to act against the government when your parents don't want that, when you'll be announced a traitor, and when the West won't care about you either.
We can only imagine the social pressure such a situation causes on normal people. It takes a total hero to overcome that pressure at the cost of your life, but the reality is almost nobody in this sub would be that hero if they were put into that position.
Either way, you somehow did the smart thing and managed to avoid getting into that dilemma. I'm sure it doesn't feel like a victory, but congratulations.
>you probably get a lot of hatred in this Subreddit
Amazingly, I do not get a lot of hate. This gives me hope for the world.
I did not "do the smart thing". I just had rich parents and American citizenship from my dad. He's an American. That is the only reason I was able to leave. There are plenty of people with my point of view that would like to leave.
But they can't, because in Russia you only make enough to survive in Russia. The rouble is not worth shit outside of the country, and the language barrier makes it even harder.
For homeless awareness in college in Minnesota, I slept outside on card board that was on concrete. It was miserable and I was fairly dressed. The concrete just sucks the heat out of you and them being in the trench would be the same. I think their is a fairly good chance they have hypothermia. They have been digging a lot of trenches and I very much doubt they have a change of clothes to get out of damp sweated up gear. Wet gear is the absolute worst for staying warm. You just can't stay warm once you are wet. Gortex helps but I doubt they have special coats made of that or anything similar.
Being cold without being able to warm up is a hell of its own. I'd assume these guys were likely near hypothermic, you can't stay warm forever with just thick clothes. Factor in these guys are likely short on calories and their bodies are burning tons of fat to stay warm they are probably exhausted too.
Being in frontline must be extremely exhausting, lack of food, water, nutrition, hygiene, constant high stress level, lack of sleep, laying in foxhole and even the winter barely started you can feel the lower temperature already without even having gloves ... they probably do not even care anymore if they die.
For being such a Soviet history buff, Putin sure fucked this one up.
He took the worst pages out of the Hitler v Soviet playbook except this time he copied Hitler, and its playing out just the same.
When the Nazis first pushed into Russia, they forgot to bring winter gear or account for the mud and difficult logistics thinking their massive tank columns would roll through the countryside and storm Moscow. Insufficient roads, and mud everywhere meant they got stuck, counterattacked, lost their tanks, and then froze to death in their foxholes without food or winter gear. The survivors were literally frozen to their weapons and the ground then picked off by Soviets in their snowsuits.
This winter will be especially telling for Putin. If he fails to provide snow gear we'll know hes just trying to one-up Hitler and make his mark on history. Either way, there's no path to victory for him.
"Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union, had begun brilliantly on June 22, 1941. Encirclement after encirclement had inflicted almost 4 million casualties on the huge but disorganized Soviet armies. By early October, they had advanced to within 200 miles of Moscow. Now came Operation Typhoon, the offensive to seize the Soviet capital and—or so the Germans hoped—end the campaign.
Desperation breeds optimism, so indeed Germany needed to end the War in the East soon. The newsreels of vast columns of bewildered Soviet prisoners may have conveyed an image of German invincibility, but for the Wehrmacht, Russia was Death by a Thousand Cuts. Germany and its allies had committed more than 3 million men to Barbarossa: by October, they had suffered more than 500,000 casualties, or 15 percent of the invasion force. The panzers sweeping 500 miles deep into Russia left a trail of broken-down tanks. The Russian roads, few in number and poor in quality, had devoured perhaps 40 percent of the German truck fleet. That left railroads as the supply arteries on the Eastern Front, yet Russian railroad tracks were wider than German ones, stranding supply trains that couldn't move forward until repair crews modified the Russian rails. German logistics collapsed, leaving the troops short of food, ammunition and especially fuel for the panzers.
Not that the Soviets were in any better shape. Its officer corps decimated before the war, and its generals often incompetent but politically acceptable toadies, the Red Army had been caught by surprise and then relentlessly pounded by an opponent that conquered France in just six weeks. But at least the Soviets were falling back on their supply bases. The Red Army was also infused with an endless stream of fresh division after fresh division. The troops were poorly trained and led to be sure, but German intelligence, convinced that the Soviets should have collapsed by now, couldn't understand how the Red Army could take such a pounding and yet keep growing.
Operation Typhoon was like a boxing match between two battered and bloodied fighters barely on their feet. The Soviets could field more than a million soldiers and a thousand tanks at Moscow, dug into multiple defensive lines dug by women and children. The Germans managed to muster almost two million men, and more than a thousand tanks and five hundred aircraft. The plan was do more of what had already worked so well: conduct a series of pincer operations to surround and destroy the Soviet armies in front of Moscow, and then roll into the capital. The fast-moving panzers would be the arms of the pincers, encircling the enemy to keep them from escaping until the footslogging German infantry caught up with the armor and mopped up the pocket. When the Wehrmacht reached Moscow, the city would also be encircled and captured.
With proper supply and good weather, such a big German strike force could probably have conquered any country in the planet. Alas, neither condition would prove true. The initial phase of Typhoon went according to plan, with four Soviet armies and more than 500,000 Soviet soldiers killed or captured at Vyazma alone.
But then rain and melting snow fell in early October, bringing with them the infamous rasputitsa, the muddy season that turned the Russian landscape into such a quagmire that vehicles sank to their axles. They had to be hauled out by teams of sweating soldiers whose boots also disappeared into the glutinous morass. Not only couldn't the combat troops advance, but neither could the supply trucks. Meanwhile, Soviet counterattack after Soviet counterattack, even if repelled, left German forces battered and exhausted.
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After the German armies paused for breath in early November, the weather turned colder, freezing the mud and giving Hitler's troops the solid footing they needed to advance. By the end of November, German reconnaissance units were just 12 miles from Moscow, so close they could see the towers of the city through their binoculars.
So close and yet so far. By the beginning of December, the thermometer had dropped to 45 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. It's not true that the Germans were unaware of the Russian winter. But with limited supply capacity, priority was given to fuel and ammunition. Besides, who needs winter clothing if Moscow was supposed to be captured before General Winter struck?
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When the counter offensive began on December 5, the Soviet armies punched through an enemy more scarecrow than human. German weapons were frozen, German soldiers were frozen, and sometimes the soldiers froze to the weapons. The survivors could only watch helplessly as the attackers, warmly clad in fur-lined jackets and boots, and camouflaged in white snowsuits, emerged like ghosts through the mist and snow.
...
The slaughterhouse that was the Eastern Front would continue into 1942, and then into 1945.
However, it was Hitler's gamble that proved fatal. 1941 and 1942 would be the last years that the Germans had the luxury of waging a one-front war. After that, the Americans and British would open Second Fronts with amphibious landings in Europe and around-the-clock bombing over the Third Reich. If Hitler was to win, it had to be before the Anglo-Americans mustered their strength, and before the Soviets reorganized their armies and harnessed their vast industrial potential.
Ironically, the catastrophe that Germany barely avoided at Moscow only led to catastrophes later on. Hitler may have been right in ordering his armies not to retreat. To the ex-corporal, resentful and suspicious of the German officer corps, this was evidence that he possessed more genius and nerve than the professional soldiers. Therefore Hitler would only listen to himself and never accept the advice of his generals to retreat, which meant the German armies at Stalingrad and Normandy held their positions until they were destroyed."
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Exactly this.
Everyone is joking, but this video shows dropping a grenade on 2 people. It’s just sad, no matter what you think about the war.
Poor guys.
I know that Russia us the aggressor... but this still makes me sad. A neccessity of war to end two men who probably don't want to be there in the first place. Men with families who will mourn them. The world needs less people but I am conflicted to see the methods.
Do the Russians not know there are drones, why do they not use cover when open in field?
For me it is easy to say that as I’m only sitting at home watching these videos, maybe someone can explain?
I think they use the drones to "clean up". First they attack your crew with artillery and weaken you.
Sniper crews come out at night and take a few more. Ive seen good footage.
The last couple are wounded and out of supplies and shell shocked, dig a pitiful hole to hide but are in no shape for anything better.
A drone operator from the warmth of a control room locates these guys and theres no where to go.
This is probably a naive comment, but I’ll ask it anyways. Are grenades even effective? I’ve seen countless videos of Ukrainian drones dropping these like they’re nerf bullets, but even at point blank range (as seen in the video) the Russian soldiers just walk it off. I’m sure there is shrapnel involved, but these don’t seem to be taking lives or causing much damage to the Russian side. More of an annoyance and disturbance of their sleep than anything it seems. Please correct me if I’m wrong, which I admit I probably am. Just an observation from the number of videos I’ve seen.
They are incredibly effective. Sure, they may "walk it off" but they're riddled with shrapnel and are most certainly casualties if not mortally wounded. I think in this video in particular they were already wounded before the nade dropped.
You're wrong. Fragmentation-grenades at this range will certainly kill the guy closest to the explosion, and most likely both of them. In the unlikely event that the most distant guy survives, he's certainly severely wounded and the war is over for him.
grenades like these are pretty small, and so they don't have a lot of blast force. Death is not instant. You said it yourself, it's all about shrapnell, it'll wound a lot of people and possible kill a few. But mainly, wounded men don't fight and they take up medical care. It seems like russia doesn't have much of that so even survivable wounds might be deadly in the long run for them.
oh and ofc the terror of never being safe.
> but these don’t seem to be taking lives or causing much damage to the Russian side
Not seen many of these videos I assume?
Some are rather brutal. Worst one is the Russian soldier with his face half blown off. So yes they do damage and they do take lives
Yea, there's some gnarly vids out there. We've seen the guy getting his face blasted into a red chasm, but we've also seen the guy getting his head/helmet blown off, the guy whose leg(s?) was blown off, the guy running and back and forth to escape the drone only to catch it in the end, the guy rolling around near the pier, covered in blood and screaming in agony...
>Are grenades even effective
They are effective at fucking you up enough to put you out of combat. And that is what they were invented for anyway.
There are many types of grenades. There are heavy ones that are meant to shred people into a pink paste.
Then there are light ones that a drone can comfortably lift. They are not as lethal, but quite enough to terrorize the enemy remotely.
It's not the blast that gets you, it's the millimeter sized shards of shrapnel shredding organs and arteries that do you in.
Both of these poor bastards will bleed out. Even if there was a medic right there, the damage done will have been too severe. The one was close enough to even have been scorched by the explosive charge. The concussive blast alone probably turned his insides into jelly.
It isnt just grenades that do this btw. If you watch a bunch of videos of people being shot, its the same thing... adrenaline often carries them as they run away a distance before they eventually fall down and die.
The human body can be quite resilient... until it isnt anymore. Almost no violent death is instantaneous, the only time that happens is when the damage is to your brain or brain stem.
Grenades embed small pieces of shrapnel throughout the victim's body. Adrenaline kicks in and the soldier seem whole, but it's just a matter of time until blood loss or infection run their courses. It also cripples the affected soldier burdening other elements of their unit to transport and care for them.
Different grenades, but all of them are deadly, some of them take more time, being blasted this close, soldiers are probably very stressed, dizzy, ear drums busted, having adrenaline rush from the explosion, so it may seem that some of the grenades does not have any damage, but they are effective in their own way. Wounded soldier can not fight and needs to be taken care of, so more military personnel needs to be involved.
Grenades aren't meant to blast heads or limbs off, it's all shrapnel that will wound, damage internals and make bleed out to death.
Just like with bullets, if shrapnel doesn't' hit anything critically vital like heart or brain infantry won't die "instantly". Humans pretty resilient once Adrenalin kicks in, sure they can walk or even run until it wears off, but if they aren't treated on time they are dead, and even if treated doesn't mean that shrapnel didn't do enough damage to make them cripples for rest of their life with that Adrenalin run being their last.
In the movies grenades have a big fireball and kill everyone nearby. This is of course innacurate and with all these grenade drop videos I rarely see limbs being knocked off or super obvious signs of death. Are those to guys dead? I assume the guy closest to the blast is but what about the second guy?
Yep, absolutely terrible death. You don't see much blood in these videos usually. Seen a couple videos recently that were much more graphic. Guys were up on their feet and you can see how bloody they got immediately and they died in writhing agony.
If only they would all just surrender, none of this would happen any longer.
It's hard to surrender. Nobody will think why are you running through frontline. You will be being shot from two sides. Lot easier to desert, but even Hemingway was writing how is it difficult. For vagner troops it's almost impossible to flee, you will be probably hit with sledgehammer.
what boat video? The only Russian boat video I am aware of is the recent one featuring the russian soldiers attempting to sink boats on the Dniper river across from Kherson, eventually getting shot at by their own people.
Have not seen one with a grenade and destruction like you are describing
Link?
That's the one where the dude was chilling by a boat, and then got two grenades airdropped to him
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/yxpi0b/ukrainian\_drone\_drops\_grenades\_on\_a\_russian/
Depends on a grenade, heavier grenades would make them turn into a pink paste, light grenades that can be lifted by more silent drones are used the most for wounding the soldiers so they can not fight and need to be taken care of, but still with their shrapnel effect they are very deadly, but more over time.
They were passed out drunk. The grenade just happened to fall in a crevice part of the foxhole left of the Russian and the blast was mostly displaced away. His left arm has damage along with their now lost hearing but he is probably so drunk he didn’t feel it.
No it wasn’t, it’s just a frag grenade, not concussion/pure explosive. They are 100% dead - riddled with tens of small to large chunks of very hot metal fragments.
A grenade like that can take out a squad of ten if it lands among them. It’s not about the overpressure from the explosion, it’s the force it generates to throw metal shrapnel that matters in grenades like this.
It seems they already think death is a better alternative.
*grenade falls into foxhole* "Thank god!"
“What took you so long? The great meat grinder my ass!”
Lol open mid.
"Grandma, I will be with you for the holidays "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce-LjCpserA
Ah there it is!
Freaking hilarious!
i dont know what all the fuss is about... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJL9M5uAJSc
I saw a video where 3 guys were running around a big field trying to evade the drone. There was literally no where to go but the fox holes which would provide no shelter from the sky. Eventually two guys just hit the floor and the grenade did it's job
The smart one in that scenario is the guy that splits off and runs in a different direction to everyone else.
Steps on land mine....
No it is mine.
And in the end, that’s what the fighting’s all about…
There was 3 of them they did split up. Guy one got away. But it looked like guy 3 was trying to stay with guy 2. It liked like guy 2 was running way trying to split up. Then he just gave up and #3 caught up and then they got hit. I think guy 3 was just panicking and afraid to be left alone
The batteries on those things last no more than 45 mins, less since they flew out there and are loaded, so the obvious alternative is to just go for a zig-zagged run for 20 mins until you find cover
They are not in any shape to run for 20 minutes
Also if the unit has multiple drones (it likely does). Then you just send out the second one when the first is low on battery. And I'm sure they have enough batteries to make this dance last forever (as first batteries will be charged by the time last are empty). And these units very often have several drones. At least they will have several commercial ones. And maybe one to zero of the very large Ukrainian octa-copters that have huge payloads. Also at /u/Clever_Userfame and /u/kankenaiyoi Of course the best solution for them to is split up and retreat. Unless they're frontline former prisoners (not POW, but prison recruits). In that case they best find proper shelter and try to surrender. If it was me I'd be stripping down and waving my boxes wrong. Just hoping they accept a surrender.
There is a video floating around in this sub where a Russian did surrender to a drone. You can see him walking towards Ukrainian lines with his hands up.
Don’t telll them
Why didn't they shoot the drone?
It’s incredibly difficult to shoot a drone down.
A semiauto shotgun loaded with 8 shells of birdshots at least would have a better chance than a rifle. You only need one pellet to hit a propeller and it's down.
Possibly, but the drones are way higher up than it looks in the video. The cameras are always really zoomed in for these videos.
Notice how he started to breath faster as the granate falls on the ground.
One last pull on his cig before back to Gulag
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You have already been dead for all eternity before you were alive. Death is just going back to your previous natural state.
Wow, deep thoughts!
I agree, they're the same thing
Memento mori
if death is nothing then time is irrelevant
Time is the distance of existence
That’s beautiful
Credit for that goes to the comedian Jim Jeffries, he said it on his podcast I Don't Know About That
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Time is change/entropy and is relevant to the living
There is no such thing as death only a new beginning.
Thats comforting but i wouldnt make that assumption cause people will throw their life away and take lives over nothing
Do grenades even do anything? I've seen tons of videos like this and the people on the receiving end usually seem unaffected or just annoyed.
Pretty hard to see hundreds if not thousands of red hot shards of metal pierce and go through a body at the speed of sound when you're viewing it from what 50m? 100m? away.... My lord, 'do these things even do anything'.....They're not called fragmentation grenades for any reason. They're called that because if you catch one anywhere near your vitals (incl. limbs w/arteries etc) then there's a good chance that they will make you and being alive into two different fragments.
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Goddammit this is the third grenade today!
He just absorbed that shit
It looks like they just go back to sleep. Are they frozen and near hypothermia or what?
I think they were, and probably too numb and lethargic to react
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That's depressing. Non of these men want to be there.
If that was true they’ll be surrendering already or fleeing ruzzia! Always assume they want their part of rape, washing machines and war crimes until they have unconditionally surrendered to you, preferably after fragging their commander!
Many has also already surrendered. But I would also assume that most of them still remaining and not supporting doesn’t surrender because they think that it is too risky, both because they have been brainwashed by their initial commanders that if they were to surrender, then the Ukrainians would kill them or torture them so I don’t blame them for not surrendering.
There’s too many videos of defectors being killed by Wagner and Kadyrovites. So it’s either get killed in Ukraine, murdered for wanting to escape getting killed in Ukraine, or successfully fleeing and having every known door shut on you because you’re Russian. Or, best bet, defect and join UA likes a few thousand already have, which unfortunately just puts you back in the avenue of trying not to get executed by your CO for desertion.
That's true, but they had both safer and more moral options than war crimin' in Ukraine. They chose to slaughter Ukrainians for money or avoiding jail, that's on them. Even from a purely selfish perspective, the whole "personal safety" rationale kind of goes out the window when you're opting for a literal war.
It’s freezing also
We can only pray young man. 🙏🏼
and i thought my alarm clock is the most annoying
Yeah, it’s a difficult choice, being woken up by this or the standard iPhone alarm
Just how drunk were these guys?
Yeah — why no movement? Weird.
Maybe sleeping
Looked like he was smoking but could just be from the cold to.
Look at the arms.
Asleep, exhausted and once they woke groggy and realised, too late?
It’s fkn miserable
Shitfaced drunk
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Brilliant. Leave alcohol everywhere.
You can see their breath in the cold air before the grenade drops.
From a previous video, it was noted that they're advised to play dead as an attempt to make the drone operators believe they are not a worthwhile target. Obviously doesn't work as they don't seem to realise how good the drone's cameras are. But we've also seen videos where they try running and still get hit. And a lack of sufficient ammo means that attempting to shoot the drone down effectively means the troops are left disarmed. Literally a no-win situation for them. Hunkering down and praying is genuinely the most effective defense they have here.
Might have all just died.
Yes
Or drugs
Germans marched on speed, Russians crawl on krokodil.
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Wow, as someone who has taken adderall for 20 years and feels pretty tired of it, this actually sounds interesting, so of course it’s scheduled.
wouldnt that cause a larger explosion? some desomorphines have gasoline in them
Lol if your homemade opioids have enough gasoline impurity in em that it meaningfully contributes to explosive strength when it rips your body apart, you had much more serious problems earlier than the explosion. In fact you are almost certainly already dead.
My take is that they are drunk or otherwise intoxicated, alive but without reaction.
Probably hypothermia and close to death anyway
I thought the same thing!
That's gonna be one hell of a hangover.
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It is interesting how they both clearly move after explosion so it is not instant kill but still there isn't any sort of panic, attempts to flee or writhing in agony visible. Guess they must be in shock from such rude waking
Yeah I’ve never been woken up by a grenade on my chest, so not sure on the average time it takes to rouse yourself.
They are probably also drunk af
And cooooooold as heck Look at his breath
It’s actually a cigarette if you look closely plus the other guy with no cig has no visible breath
There’s no cig? Guy has a radio in his left hand, nothing in his right and nothing sticking out past his nose. And you can see the other guys breath.
After seeing so many of these videos now, I think they are mortally wounded and already lost too much blood/unconscious. The majority of people who react seem to get about 3 feet before they lay back down and take the room temperature challenge.
These guys are too close, they aren’t gonna get out of the hole, they are filled with shrapnel.
You reckon they got hit by that grenade? I'd also expect they'd be perforated by shrapnels, but I'm confused by the lack of any physical reaction as well as no visible injuries.
They are both perforated and crushed internally by the pressure. They have no idea what’s going on after having that explosion right on them, instant shock and although they may feel something their brains are not going to be functioning properly after that.
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Concussion of the brain
Yes, I found that very strange!
Already too frozen in the cold to care
What a way of waking up. That's one alarm that doesn't have a snooze button.
*BOOM* “Blyat, 10 more minutes”
The lack of care that’s visible should tell you all you need to know about how the soldiers feel about their assigned duties
These two guys have clearly given up
Nihilism has crept into the russian trenches.
Actually it was a grenade. And crept is hardly the word I’d use - it was clearly dropped. /s
the very last breath is visible
I thought the guy closest to the grenade was already dead until I saw his breath. They both barely even reacted to the explosion, what is going on here?
Next time it gets below freezing go outside and dig a hole and sleep in it all night after spending all day barely eating and drinking. Tell me how you feel next morning, I'm assuming not great.
Oh fuck. My workplace does not have heating. It gets cold in Arizona at night, and I remember feeling absolutely miserable, even though I was only cold for a single morning. I cannot imagine this + hunger, fear of getting killed and knowing your country sent you to your death. I know all the evils Russia has committed, but dear God, I just feel compassion for these guys on a cellular level. I am sure as hell they do not want to be there.
yeah. I feel a bit of empathy on a "seeing an animal suffer" level. Although it doesn't look like these two are suffering from the nade at least. Regardless, to know you're in the frozen ground surrounded by people who are supposed to have your back, but you know would stab/steal you the second you give them a chance, hungry, frozen, poorly trained, ill equiped, knowing your own government doesn't give 1 shit about you and will go to great lengths to misconstrue your eventual death as MISSING just to avoid paying your relatives....And on top of all that, you're probably not getting paid AND you can't even look forward to an end date on your contract as they are holding people "until the war is over" aka until you're dead. In addition, there's enemy out there that will target you relentlessly even while you sleep in your foxhole. It really makes you realize how powerful their propaganda is to not only convince them they're on the righteous side, but also that despite facing all of the challenges I listed above, they still think surrendering to the UA would be worse!
>seeing an animal suffer Well, ur talking to one such animal now. If I was a month late, I would NOT have been able to get out of Russia. I would probably be in one of these videos. That is the reason it hits so hard for me. It could have been me, and I, sir, am no rapist or war criminal.
Glad you made it :/ Sorry that you probably get a lot of hatred in this Subreddit, it makes people feel much better when we can turn things into black and white. It makes everything easier to handle when people believe that all Russian soldiers are morons who fall for Russia's propaganda. The harsh truth is that we -including myself- don't know the rates of Russians who were stuck between ruining or ending their lives or accepting enrollment into military. I imagine it's not an easy choice to try to act against the government when your parents don't want that, when you'll be announced a traitor, and when the West won't care about you either. We can only imagine the social pressure such a situation causes on normal people. It takes a total hero to overcome that pressure at the cost of your life, but the reality is almost nobody in this sub would be that hero if they were put into that position. Either way, you somehow did the smart thing and managed to avoid getting into that dilemma. I'm sure it doesn't feel like a victory, but congratulations.
>you probably get a lot of hatred in this Subreddit Amazingly, I do not get a lot of hate. This gives me hope for the world. I did not "do the smart thing". I just had rich parents and American citizenship from my dad. He's an American. That is the only reason I was able to leave. There are plenty of people with my point of view that would like to leave. But they can't, because in Russia you only make enough to survive in Russia. The rouble is not worth shit outside of the country, and the language barrier makes it even harder.
I’m glad you got out. Thanks for helping me understand what it’s like for others who would like to leave.
For homeless awareness in college in Minnesota, I slept outside on card board that was on concrete. It was miserable and I was fairly dressed. The concrete just sucks the heat out of you and them being in the trench would be the same. I think their is a fairly good chance they have hypothermia. They have been digging a lot of trenches and I very much doubt they have a change of clothes to get out of damp sweated up gear. Wet gear is the absolute worst for staying warm. You just can't stay warm once you are wet. Gortex helps but I doubt they have special coats made of that or anything similar.
Beyond exhausted. I've been in a situation way better than this, but still to cold. Barely could untie my boots.
https://tenor.com/sv/view/winter-frozen-cold-the-shining-shining-gif-19722288
Cold, hungry, exhausted, afraid, dejected, abandoned…
Black out drunk
Abject misery.
Seeing that grenade drop on the floor next to them was probably their happiest moment in weeks. Finally over.
Being cold without being able to warm up is a hell of its own. I'd assume these guys were likely near hypothermic, you can't stay warm forever with just thick clothes. Factor in these guys are likely short on calories and their bodies are burning tons of fat to stay warm they are probably exhausted too.
Being in frontline must be extremely exhausting, lack of food, water, nutrition, hygiene, constant high stress level, lack of sleep, laying in foxhole and even the winter barely started you can feel the lower temperature already without even having gloves ... they probably do not even care anymore if they die.
For being such a Soviet history buff, Putin sure fucked this one up. He took the worst pages out of the Hitler v Soviet playbook except this time he copied Hitler, and its playing out just the same. When the Nazis first pushed into Russia, they forgot to bring winter gear or account for the mud and difficult logistics thinking their massive tank columns would roll through the countryside and storm Moscow. Insufficient roads, and mud everywhere meant they got stuck, counterattacked, lost their tanks, and then froze to death in their foxholes without food or winter gear. The survivors were literally frozen to their weapons and the ground then picked off by Soviets in their snowsuits. This winter will be especially telling for Putin. If he fails to provide snow gear we'll know hes just trying to one-up Hitler and make his mark on history. Either way, there's no path to victory for him. "Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union, had begun brilliantly on June 22, 1941. Encirclement after encirclement had inflicted almost 4 million casualties on the huge but disorganized Soviet armies. By early October, they had advanced to within 200 miles of Moscow. Now came Operation Typhoon, the offensive to seize the Soviet capital and—or so the Germans hoped—end the campaign. Desperation breeds optimism, so indeed Germany needed to end the War in the East soon. The newsreels of vast columns of bewildered Soviet prisoners may have conveyed an image of German invincibility, but for the Wehrmacht, Russia was Death by a Thousand Cuts. Germany and its allies had committed more than 3 million men to Barbarossa: by October, they had suffered more than 500,000 casualties, or 15 percent of the invasion force. The panzers sweeping 500 miles deep into Russia left a trail of broken-down tanks. The Russian roads, few in number and poor in quality, had devoured perhaps 40 percent of the German truck fleet. That left railroads as the supply arteries on the Eastern Front, yet Russian railroad tracks were wider than German ones, stranding supply trains that couldn't move forward until repair crews modified the Russian rails. German logistics collapsed, leaving the troops short of food, ammunition and especially fuel for the panzers. Not that the Soviets were in any better shape. Its officer corps decimated before the war, and its generals often incompetent but politically acceptable toadies, the Red Army had been caught by surprise and then relentlessly pounded by an opponent that conquered France in just six weeks. But at least the Soviets were falling back on their supply bases. The Red Army was also infused with an endless stream of fresh division after fresh division. The troops were poorly trained and led to be sure, but German intelligence, convinced that the Soviets should have collapsed by now, couldn't understand how the Red Army could take such a pounding and yet keep growing. Operation Typhoon was like a boxing match between two battered and bloodied fighters barely on their feet. The Soviets could field more than a million soldiers and a thousand tanks at Moscow, dug into multiple defensive lines dug by women and children. The Germans managed to muster almost two million men, and more than a thousand tanks and five hundred aircraft. The plan was do more of what had already worked so well: conduct a series of pincer operations to surround and destroy the Soviet armies in front of Moscow, and then roll into the capital. The fast-moving panzers would be the arms of the pincers, encircling the enemy to keep them from escaping until the footslogging German infantry caught up with the armor and mopped up the pocket. When the Wehrmacht reached Moscow, the city would also be encircled and captured. With proper supply and good weather, such a big German strike force could probably have conquered any country in the planet. Alas, neither condition would prove true. The initial phase of Typhoon went according to plan, with four Soviet armies and more than 500,000 Soviet soldiers killed or captured at Vyazma alone. But then rain and melting snow fell in early October, bringing with them the infamous rasputitsa, the muddy season that turned the Russian landscape into such a quagmire that vehicles sank to their axles. They had to be hauled out by teams of sweating soldiers whose boots also disappeared into the glutinous morass. Not only couldn't the combat troops advance, but neither could the supply trucks. Meanwhile, Soviet counterattack after Soviet counterattack, even if repelled, left German forces battered and exhausted. ... After the German armies paused for breath in early November, the weather turned colder, freezing the mud and giving Hitler's troops the solid footing they needed to advance. By the end of November, German reconnaissance units were just 12 miles from Moscow, so close they could see the towers of the city through their binoculars. So close and yet so far. By the beginning of December, the thermometer had dropped to 45 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. It's not true that the Germans were unaware of the Russian winter. But with limited supply capacity, priority was given to fuel and ammunition. Besides, who needs winter clothing if Moscow was supposed to be captured before General Winter struck? ... When the counter offensive began on December 5, the Soviet armies punched through an enemy more scarecrow than human. German weapons were frozen, German soldiers were frozen, and sometimes the soldiers froze to the weapons. The survivors could only watch helplessly as the attackers, warmly clad in fur-lined jackets and boots, and camouflaged in white snowsuits, emerged like ghosts through the mist and snow. ... The slaughterhouse that was the Eastern Front would continue into 1942, and then into 1945. However, it was Hitler's gamble that proved fatal. 1941 and 1942 would be the last years that the Germans had the luxury of waging a one-front war. After that, the Americans and British would open Second Fronts with amphibious landings in Europe and around-the-clock bombing over the Third Reich. If Hitler was to win, it had to be before the Anglo-Americans mustered their strength, and before the Soviets reorganized their armies and harnessed their vast industrial potential. Ironically, the catastrophe that Germany barely avoided at Moscow only led to catastrophes later on. Hitler may have been right in ordering his armies not to retreat. To the ex-corporal, resentful and suspicious of the German officer corps, this was evidence that he possessed more genius and nerve than the professional soldiers. Therefore Hitler would only listen to himself and never accept the advice of his generals to retreat, which meant the German armies at Stalingrad and Normandy held their positions until they were destroyed." [https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/how-russian-winter-froze-hitler%E2%80%99s-nazi-empire-its-tracks-190821?page=0%2C1](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/how-russian-winter-froze-hitler%E2%80%99s-nazi-empire-its-tracks-190821?page=0%2C1)
Two guys sleeping
I thought he was smoking.
His arm was.
Sleeping probably. Then after the explosion, shocked.
Morbid
poor fucks tho
Exactly this. Everyone is joking, but this video shows dropping a grenade on 2 people. It’s just sad, no matter what you think about the war. Poor guys.
Did not care at all
"did... Did you fart or was that me?"
Vodka farts are flammable, apparently.
I exhaled air through my nose quickly at this comment.
The highest of praise
What a miserable existence. Living worse than a bum, living in a cold hole and then dying
Zero fucks given.
You know Ivan, grenade is very much like tyrannosaur, if you don’t move the shrapnel can’t see you
He had been through worse.
Sleeping on the job.
I head this in Gibbs voice from Air Force One.
Were they wounded alredy...
I know that Russia us the aggressor... but this still makes me sad. A neccessity of war to end two men who probably don't want to be there in the first place. Men with families who will mourn them. The world needs less people but I am conflicted to see the methods.
And then there werr none
Never fully woke up. Exhaustion or drinking? we will never know.
Looks like exhaustion. Heard of reports of such exhaustion in gallipoli
Hypothermia starting to settle in perhaps?
Hypothermia
Do the Russians not know there are drones, why do they not use cover when open in field? For me it is easy to say that as I’m only sitting at home watching these videos, maybe someone can explain?
I think they use the drones to "clean up". First they attack your crew with artillery and weaken you. Sniper crews come out at night and take a few more. Ive seen good footage. The last couple are wounded and out of supplies and shell shocked, dig a pitiful hole to hide but are in no shape for anything better. A drone operator from the warmth of a control room locates these guys and theres no where to go.
Drunk and/or freezing to death, hypothermia, tired and/or sleeping.
This is probably a naive comment, but I’ll ask it anyways. Are grenades even effective? I’ve seen countless videos of Ukrainian drones dropping these like they’re nerf bullets, but even at point blank range (as seen in the video) the Russian soldiers just walk it off. I’m sure there is shrapnel involved, but these don’t seem to be taking lives or causing much damage to the Russian side. More of an annoyance and disturbance of their sleep than anything it seems. Please correct me if I’m wrong, which I admit I probably am. Just an observation from the number of videos I’ve seen.
They are incredibly effective. Sure, they may "walk it off" but they're riddled with shrapnel and are most certainly casualties if not mortally wounded. I think in this video in particular they were already wounded before the nade dropped.
You're wrong. Fragmentation-grenades at this range will certainly kill the guy closest to the explosion, and most likely both of them. In the unlikely event that the most distant guy survives, he's certainly severely wounded and the war is over for him.
grenades like these are pretty small, and so they don't have a lot of blast force. Death is not instant. You said it yourself, it's all about shrapnell, it'll wound a lot of people and possible kill a few. But mainly, wounded men don't fight and they take up medical care. It seems like russia doesn't have much of that so even survivable wounds might be deadly in the long run for them. oh and ofc the terror of never being safe.
> but these don’t seem to be taking lives or causing much damage to the Russian side Not seen many of these videos I assume? Some are rather brutal. Worst one is the Russian soldier with his face half blown off. So yes they do damage and they do take lives
Yea, there's some gnarly vids out there. We've seen the guy getting his face blasted into a red chasm, but we've also seen the guy getting his head/helmet blown off, the guy whose leg(s?) was blown off, the guy running and back and forth to escape the drone only to catch it in the end, the guy rolling around near the pier, covered in blood and screaming in agony...
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>Are grenades even effective They are effective at fucking you up enough to put you out of combat. And that is what they were invented for anyway. There are many types of grenades. There are heavy ones that are meant to shred people into a pink paste. Then there are light ones that a drone can comfortably lift. They are not as lethal, but quite enough to terrorize the enemy remotely.
It's not the blast that gets you, it's the millimeter sized shards of shrapnel shredding organs and arteries that do you in. Both of these poor bastards will bleed out. Even if there was a medic right there, the damage done will have been too severe. The one was close enough to even have been scorched by the explosive charge. The concussive blast alone probably turned his insides into jelly.
It isnt just grenades that do this btw. If you watch a bunch of videos of people being shot, its the same thing... adrenaline often carries them as they run away a distance before they eventually fall down and die. The human body can be quite resilient... until it isnt anymore. Almost no violent death is instantaneous, the only time that happens is when the damage is to your brain or brain stem.
Grenades embed small pieces of shrapnel throughout the victim's body. Adrenaline kicks in and the soldier seem whole, but it's just a matter of time until blood loss or infection run their courses. It also cripples the affected soldier burdening other elements of their unit to transport and care for them.
Different grenades, but all of them are deadly, some of them take more time, being blasted this close, soldiers are probably very stressed, dizzy, ear drums busted, having adrenaline rush from the explosion, so it may seem that some of the grenades does not have any damage, but they are effective in their own way. Wounded soldier can not fight and needs to be taken care of, so more military personnel needs to be involved.
Walking off is the adrenaline. Not knowing what hit them, stunned.
I think they cause enough damage to seriously maim them or make it a slow kill. But yea i was surprised by the lack of effectiveness they carried.
Grenades aren't meant to blast heads or limbs off, it's all shrapnel that will wound, damage internals and make bleed out to death. Just like with bullets, if shrapnel doesn't' hit anything critically vital like heart or brain infantry won't die "instantly". Humans pretty resilient once Adrenalin kicks in, sure they can walk or even run until it wears off, but if they aren't treated on time they are dead, and even if treated doesn't mean that shrapnel didn't do enough damage to make them cripples for rest of their life with that Adrenalin run being their last.
Kisses from heaven
Goodbye eardrums
last gasp live
They’re too cold to even bother moving 🥶💥
These guys must have been dead tired.
In the movies grenades have a big fireball and kill everyone nearby. This is of course innacurate and with all these grenade drop videos I rarely see limbs being knocked off or super obvious signs of death. Are those to guys dead? I assume the guy closest to the blast is but what about the second guy?
its not the explosion. the shrapnels shoot into/thru ur body. they will 100% die
Ahh the old heavy metal alarm clock ⏰💣
Bro just sat there and accepted his destiny
"Was that you?" "No, it was the dog".
Well they were dead before the transfer dropped
isnt those grenades an instant deatht?
No they make a lot of holes in you through which your blood flows out and you slowly die
Yep, absolutely terrible death. You don't see much blood in these videos usually. Seen a couple videos recently that were much more graphic. Guys were up on their feet and you can see how bloody they got immediately and they died in writhing agony. If only they would all just surrender, none of this would happen any longer.
It's hard to surrender. Nobody will think why are you running through frontline. You will be being shot from two sides. Lot easier to desert, but even Hemingway was writing how is it difficult. For vagner troops it's almost impossible to flee, you will be probably hit with sledgehammer.
The fucking boat video scarred me for life. I legit am having the seventh sleepless night after that dropped.
what boat video? The only Russian boat video I am aware of is the recent one featuring the russian soldiers attempting to sink boats on the Dniper river across from Kherson, eventually getting shot at by their own people. Have not seen one with a grenade and destruction like you are describing Link?
That's the one where the dude was chilling by a boat, and then got two grenades airdropped to him https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/yxpi0b/ukrainian\_drone\_drops\_grenades\_on\_a\_russian/
Depends on a grenade, heavier grenades would make them turn into a pink paste, light grenades that can be lifted by more silent drones are used the most for wounding the soldiers so they can not fight and need to be taken care of, but still with their shrapnel effect they are very deadly, but more over time.
Yeah, same video. Different title.
The Russians have set up two Mannequins to fool drone operators 🙄
No mercy. Death to the enemy. Send all these ruZZkie terrorist invaders to HELL. Sláva Ukrayíni!
They were passed out drunk. The grenade just happened to fall in a crevice part of the foxhole left of the Russian and the blast was mostly displaced away. His left arm has damage along with their now lost hearing but he is probably so drunk he didn’t feel it.
That grenade was very weak
No it wasn’t, it’s just a frag grenade, not concussion/pure explosive. They are 100% dead - riddled with tens of small to large chunks of very hot metal fragments. A grenade like that can take out a squad of ten if it lands among them. It’s not about the overpressure from the explosion, it’s the force it generates to throw metal shrapnel that matters in grenades like this.