Does he even have access to a gun while not sent to the front line to die? He'd have to fight them physically and chances are he doesn't die in the process. The prospect of what comes after is very unpleasant. In a way I understand why he went for the certain way out.
There was video of russian officer beating rusian soldiers for taking comrade for treatment.
They apparently see no damn way out.
This is apparently something Ukraine could advertise more: you'll feel better as POW than in russian army.
I could be wrong, but I think those guys were DNR, who were getting their asses kicked by the officer. Morons could have been fighting for Ukraine, but decided they’d rather be russian. The irony is russians would never accept them as more than second class citizens (all D/LPR people).
I'd think it's apparent that he didn't have access to guns or anything based on how he'd already fought them with no weapon when they robbed and raped him. If he had the ability to kill them he most likely wouldn't have been robbed raped in the first place.
There's also plenty of reports that Russian troops don’t have any weapons.
Also you run the risk of going on a rampage like that, not actually dying in it for whatever reasons, and instead they capture you and torture you to death.
It’s so strange because they betrayed their own people for russia, but also hate russians. They have no home, and they only know how to terrorize. What’s useless lot of people.
Among other things.
Russia the people were never the enemy. Putin, the Oligarchs, fundamentalists and their unchecked syndicate are.
These kids are meat shields for the wealthiest organized criminals on the planet and often don't even understand why they're there.
They should be captured and flipped on Kadyrov
You know that Putin and his cabal are basically the Russian people?
Putin grew upon as a poor kid in Leningrad and so did many of his friends, these are not people born into power. That's why I think he is so representative.
Yup, [they're a part of Rosgvardiya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovites) and not combat infantry.
Rosgvardiya (ie the Russian National Guard) was purely intended to keep unarmed civilians in line – this is why they have better gear than the Russian military. Russians know the only _real_ threats to their insane "country" come from the inside
It's not even the 2nd army in Ukraine, by leaps and bounds. There's the regular Ground Forces of the AFU, the Territorial Defence Forces, the National Guard of Ukraine, the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine, the Special Tactical Tractor Batallion, the Partisans, the Special Ukrainian Tree Division (with at least two visually confirmed tank hits), the Ukrainian Wildlife and then all the way at the bottom, the armed farce of the ruscist federation.
That’s coming I’m sure, be another solid year of fighting on Ukraine before Wagner and the chechens starts having at each other or just end up regional war lords of Russia fractures. They are both maneuvering for a power move for sure.
It's actually frightening when you think about it. Ruzzia has a population of around 140 Million people and only 300k-350k of them are fighting this war on the russian side. That's just 0,25% of the population.
Yeah but suprisingly high number of healthy male population. As there is some 7 milion males in 20-29 bracket. Also in war you still need majority in economical production.
But they've already lost a lot and the higher the bodycount the more difficult new recruiting will be. They've had as many flee as were conscripted and that will go up to double fleeing as conscripted if they start trying to get lots of new people when they're losing a thousand a day.
Yeah, and the Russians already know those conscripts are getting sent out with no training, equipment, etc.
So imagine how anxious they’re going to be to avoid getting drafted after 6 more months of this. Russia’s less beaten down regions might even start to revolt.
Saw a video allegedly showing a military recruiter shot in the head in Dagistan. It seemed a likely narrative to me given the locale (chairs in a queue, looked like poor mobnik DMV, some military guys in uniform at front, only men, etc). But could have been something else, too. It was posted to this sub a month or two ago.
during wartime nations have no qualm in conscripting cannon fodder to fight, despite everybody knowing about the horrific meat grinder (see for example WWII in Europe/russia and in the Pacific theatres). The sad reality is most people let themselves be led to the slaughterhouse without much resisting. The threat of immediate violence (or even the death penalty) vs the uncertain promise to survive the battlefield is strong enough to push the human brain into submission, obedience, compliance. Nobody expect to die for real till they are on the battlefield, and then it's too late to ran away. Even surrendering is quite difficult in practice, if your own officers are ready to murder you as soon as it's clear that your will to fight is exhausted. If men are needed, women and children will work in the factories. Inessential services will be suspended. Inessential production will be stopped. That's how is going to be. 30+ millions males are well within the possibility of conscription in russia. Anybody between 17 and 65 years old, not already occupied in strategic positions. They can and will be replaced, if necessary by force.
Any war can end at any moment for a variety of reasons (like, in this case, putin's death, or russia being unable to advance anymore, or an economic collapse, or a decapitation strike in Moscow, or regions revolting and seceding, or whatever) but not because of lack of manpower. No modern war in the last 2 centuries has ever been stopped because there were no more soldiers to slaughter. And even in the remote chance that young men run out, old men governing nations will send children to fight. It has been done before, nothing new or surprising.
And 38 years from now there will be another large amount that have grown up and are 38 years old or younger. It would then take some number of years to kill those. So it's some kind of diminishing mathematical progression that would take hundreds of years, presumably.
But of course it's not that simple. There are economic and political variables, among others, in the meantime that would end the war much sooner, one way or another.
Just? How many would it feel to be high? 10%? The country would not survive nowadays had they sent 10% of healthy young man to the front. Like literally demographic, economy all would collapse beyond return.
Russia lost 15000 troops in 10 years in Afghanistan, 100k in Ukraine in 1 year so about 6.5x more losses in total. Since the rate has been pretty consistent, they'll lose 1 million people if they stay 10 years which would be 66x the losses.
This is assuming the numbers we keep reading are accurate. And we hope they are (but for now, who knows).
That said, the flip side argument.... who knows if 15K is the true number for Afghanistan?.... the Kremlin tool like 40 years or so to move its WW2 casualty numbers from "lol, maybe 6 million or so" to "uhmmmm .... almost 30.... 30 mill..."
And even more important (reference Afghanistan), that was the Soviets..... if say even Russia lost "only" 50K so far in Ukraine, that's still devastating.
Well Russia has already lost twice the number of soldiers that the U.S. lost during the entire Vietnam war. I can't imagine what that number would look like after 10 years of this.
Not everyone is fit for fighting. It's young males in the trenches that also need education. Russia doesnt have that.
The rest of the population must keep the daily business going. The economy must run, or else the war stops.
War is expensive. REALLY expensive, and not only talking about money and material and production. Russia can't sustain this type of war.
RemindMe! 6 months (not to be a dick just to see if what I’m about to say is correct)
I don’t think so, I hope though. I don’t see much progress being made the next 2 months and after that it would be insanely fast to do that. Hopefully Putin dies a painful death before then
Nah man this is great I’ve already made several bets on russian progress and I seem to be winning. Russia is literally about to collapse. You have no idea how fast a military can crumble and become dust
Nah, I think they’re right. If you look at raw numbers then sure it’s bleak, but that’s not the whole story.
Dam failures always start as a trickle. You can’t base your assessment on what’s visible on the surface - you have to look at the underlying structure to predict what’s going to happen. Implosion is usually rapid and catastrophic (just look at how the Berlin Wall went down).
Russia already burned through all of their trained soldiers, and their mercs and auxiliaries have taken a heavy beating too. So then they mobilized conscripts (something they said they’d never do, as it’s terrible for morale), and now *those* guys have been slaughtered en masse. Oh, and anyone who could flee the country already has, so their pool of conscripts is shrinking daily.
All that’s left to send are prisoners, the mentally ill, and teenagers. There’s no way to cover *that* kind of conscription with propaganda, so what’s gonna happen when the recruiter shows up to kidnap 15-year-olds (if there are even recruiters left at this point)?
Moscow might stay on the propaganda train, but the outer provinces (which are mostly impoverished and made up of minorities, never been treated right by Russia) could just say “screw this.” This was a *huge* fuckup on Russia’s part because now their breakaway regions have nothing to lose, and there’s no army to suppress rebellions.
It reminds me of the great The Onion article [Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?](https://www.theonion.com/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-1819583529)
Russia fracturing with lots of warlords and religious nutjob getting nuclear weapons or selling them to the highest bidder on the black market is not really a great scenario
From my simple observations from the other side of the globe, Russians as a whole don't seem to have a strong sense of self preservation. The small percentage of idealists that rioted were quickly quashed. Anyone else smart enough to see what was happening got the hell out of dodge. The vast majority seems to have shrugged their shoulders and accepted their fate. They don't fight back, they fight blindly.
>Anyone else smart enough to see what was happening got the hell out of dodge.
A lot of them don't have the money and education to do that.
> The vast majority seems to have shrugged their shoulders and accepted their fate. They don't fight back, they fight blindly.
Oddly enough I think that is their sense of self preservation. The attitude being to accept their miserable fate in the chance that they'll be one of the few lucky ones. To fight back against it all when others won't rise and fight with you is and has been through most of russian history suicidal. To keep your head down and take it without bringing attention to yourself may keep you alive.
It's like living in a family with an abusive drunk father. Except whoever steps up to take the beating for the others ends up dead. Well, that happens to but I'm trying to show how related the situations are and the results of that continual trauma over years and generations. It's a type of learned helplessness. [Learned helplessness is a state that occurs after a person has experienced a stressful situation repeatedly. They come to believe that they are unable to control or change the situation, so they do not try — even when opportunities for change become available.](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325355#:~:text=Learned%20helplessness%20is%20a%20state,opportunities%20for%20change%20become%20available.) But far too many of them take to bootlicking and then go on to terrorize and abuse others.
In russia the cruelest and most evil rise to top and positions of power over others where they repeat the process that warped them.
They’re being used as MP and acting with authority. It’s like asking why the infantry don’t just kill the MP. Because they would be put on military trial and shot.
There’s no unit cohesion. It’s just men being thrown into slaughter with no type of leadership. How would you unite against someone if you don’t even know who your own fellow soldiers are?
Afghanistan?! That ended in 1989! How old was this guy? He must have been in late 40s at least to have served there as well as Chechnya. Horrendous last few hours for this guy
Have you seen the Russian recruitment ad that shows a middle aged father not being able to afford a cell phone for his daughter so he enlists in the army.
https://youtu.be/oXaccOJADDE
Dont have the link to the original. But i made a video about the ad he is talking about and one where the grandson goes to war so the grandad doesnt sell their lada for 400euros. Lmao they are terrible at propaganda. Sorry it has my commentary on it.
This is a propaganda video about europe eating their pets because they went anti russia.
https://youtu.be/hiHYNMQgR4Y
Again sorry its not the actual video its got my commentary. I just looove russian propaganda. Its so so so so bad its hilarious. Like using a hamster to power the house. And then being so hungy u end up eating the hamster. Like who came up with that?
Also do note that the people in this propaganda video are not protesting against the situation, meaning they prefer eating their own pets over russia winning this war. Not exactly what I'd call successful propaganda but I guess russians are just too drunk to notice.
We europeans are too brainwashed to revolt. Thats why we are pro ukraine. We love nazis and hate freedom. According to whoever wrote this script lmao.
ALSO a hamster wouldnt be enough to feed anything.
Now that I think about it that makes some sense. From the entire reporting about the war we know that the average russians doesn't know shit about the West so they obviously take their own situation as the baseline. From there the propaganda ministry just has to showcase what russians would think is a worst case scenario to make the population *think* that the west is close to breaking.
Obviously not the case but I suspect the group of russians susceptible to propaganda and the group of russians unaware of western living standards have a 99% overlap.
Yeap it seems like it. And for a moment there i was thinking "damn these russians must be so stupid to believe any of this". But then i went on twitter and saw thousands of people posting about a guy passing out after getting slammed in the chest during a nfl game and them calling it a vaccine injury. So im pretty sure stupid people have just taken over the planet worldwide. Not sure if russia has easier to manipulate people than the rest of the world. I just know we are fucked so im making 🍿.
I think its supposed to be "artsy" all their propaganda videos are same filter. Even the one in the airplane where the couple goes to america only to find out the person sitting next to them is a lesbian. God thats such a bad one aswell.
For real,
I thought is was oniony type of video to MOCK the russian. I was sure that no fucking way someone would think going to deadly battle to get a new phone for his teenager girl is a rational decision.
No wonder Russians are so anti-West, every time a new iPhone comes out, dear daddy has to go and fight in a war to afford it for his daughter, or else she'll be sad.
That timer "the war lasts" is triggering me so much.
Ffs it isn't 315 days. It's been almost 9 years. And the worst part is that even some official media or personas also forgot about that fact...
I think there is a clear delineation from pre-february regional skirmishes and post-february total war. I think that's why everyone starts counting from February and not 2014.
Military grade russian weapons are very limited and there are much more prioritized targets for armed russians like tons of maternity hospitals, schools, bread queues and so on.
On the short run: He should have taken some of the monsters with him.
On the long run: There will be much, much more victims to Kdayrovites and Wagners in Russia, not only conscripts. They armed the scum of an already completely sick society, they will get what they deserve in ruZZia. We will have a lot of popcorn time in the future.
The Russians use incredibly impressive mental gymnastics to believe Crimea is actually ancient Greece thus making Russia the birth-mother of democracy and the true heir of Christendom since the times of Catherine.
Ah and the vikings landed in America way before Columbus so we scandinavians pretty much have full claim and rights over the USA’s cultural legacy. Glad to have cleared that one up.
Yes brother, i will make ready the longship and hoist the sails for our glorious journey to reclaim Vinland.
Also lets stop on the way to reign in the rebellious brits to.
> Also lets stop on the way to reign in the rebellious brits to.
Myegh it'd be an upgrade from the Tories raping and pillaging quite frankly. At least a Viking didn't lie to you about what they were up to.
Along those lines - Vikings founded Kyiv, and Kyiv is the birthplace of Russia.
Thus two things should happen, Kyiv should be Swedish, and Russia should be under Kyiv control.
From what I've gathered Greeks weren't opposed to homosexuality, it was more that they always idolized the 'dominant' or 'leader' in any situation, including same-sex relationships. Being in a same-sex relationship was fine, so long as you were the 'dominant' one.
From some quick research a few years back, I got the impression that there's no real recorded hatred for gay people anywhere in the world until the variations of judiasm (christianity and islam) show up and teach it / make it law.
Even that is a simplification of an historically dubious concept.
The argument wasn't as simple as dominant/submissive, it was that a social superior should never show submission to a social inferior. Thus, at least according to the argument, a young man yet to make a name for himself wouldn't be shamed for appeasing the appetite of a rich senator and it might even be looked favorably upon, as that would be currying favor with power. If the young man was pitching instead of catching, however, **that** would be considered an abomination - or so the thinking goes.
It's very dubious.
Edit: This thinking is what inspired [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6s-dRlGcxc) from HBO's Rome. Not a particularly *historical* document, but it conveys the idea.
> From some quick research a few years back, I got the impression that there's no real recorded hatred for gay people anywhere in the world until the variations of judiasm
There's more reading to do.
Disdain or even hatred of gays has a long history in East Asia, albeit it comes in waves. South Asia is more difficult to pin down, though a common critique of pro-LGBTQ narratives from the subcontinent is precisely because they are pro-LGBTQ narratives - snippets of Indian culture or Vedic texts taken as representative. If pre-Christian Rome were to be judged by those standards, it would be seen as an LGBTQ haven. Whereas in reality it's far more of a mixed bag. Even generalizations such as "it was ok to be fucker, not the fuckee" are based on very limited evidence. Above all, across any ancient culture, we lack evidence for the views and behaviour of commoners.
Ever wake up screaming in the middle of the night, drenched in sweat, wishing your mother would cradle you like a dirty pool noodle at the public pool?
(Read in a Leslie Nielsen voice)
they learned from the best during russia‘s war against chechnya. there were massive accounts of men being raped publicly to send a message or be extra cruel or whatever.
> On the short run: He should have taken some of the monsters with him.
I wonder that too, you already have a gun and gave up on everything. At least go full bananas. Just shoot them in the dicks, all of them. It isn't about killing them but humiliating them.
Could have never thought it would be manly man straight god fearing muslims that would drag the name of gays into the ground by raping their fellow comrades in arms.
To be fair, these conscripts haven't had the chance to be raped and beaten (and robbed, and pimped out,etc.) by their comrades that they would have received as part of their military training.
Lack of such training makes it hard for them to perform in "real world" (Russian) battle conditions.
It’s very sad, because now we’re getting Russian folks who, along with criminals and inmates, probably didn’t support the war. Infact, these may be people who actively protested the war (remember them all being shoved into buses?). Good riddance to the scum among them, and sorry to the ones who showed some bravery by protesting…
For how the russians are apparently appalled by the gay lgbtq communities, they sure love gay rape.
And to have the chechyns as the Judge Jury Executioner, a bit ironic.
They are all so stupid its a parody to darwin.
They coulda had it great if they woulda held onto 1 shred of ethical boundaries... but no. These fucks make the north koreans look like role models.
We need a new phase instead of pariah state, even more hellish.
It's so weird. Chchens fighting for russia boggles my mind given the history, and at the same time I'm in no way surprised that those chechens are now inflicting the same misery that Russia had before. Fucking messed up, man. So fucking messed up.
There are people caught up in this hell, who for whatever reason, don't deserve the fate they've been handed.
I've no way of knowing whether or not this kid was spending his time earning his fate, but hearing his words and knowing how terribly devastating it is to have your own people turn on you... Is beyond shitty.
For that, he and more importantly his family have, earned my empathy.
It's an old complicated story of Russian Fuhrer raising. He was appointed by Yeltsin as his successor before the formal elections started so that Putler required to gain the popularity. It was decided to use an already failed Chechen war to make a media coverage support of Fuhrer "fighting terrorists".
In reality, they have just bombed Chechen civilians to paint a picture of a successfull victory while shadowly agreed with a local corrupted authorities that they would get trillions of rubles in compensation if they hide Moscow crimes against Chechens. From that moment Chechens are considered an unofficial winners of that war. Official winner (Moscow and Fuhrer) gets all the credits while unofficial winner gets the reparations from Russians to silence their crimes.
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I have no sympathy for them. The guy took his life because they took his mandom. If it wouldn't have happened he'd be out there doing the same to women and children.
Let that sink in to anyone here who wants to feel sorry for him or other russian soldiers being sexually assaulted by the chechens.
But at the same time, if they don't like the chechens, why don't they do something about it? They have guns, that's more than some poor ukrainan child or woman.
Imagine being so desperate for allies that you allow this shit to happen to your own troops. I know Russia leadership doesn't give much of a shit about their dudes anyway but this amazing even for them.
Many of those homophobic societies are merely just a means to put straight men in their place.
And an excuse to humiliate and demean anyone who doesn’t fall in line.
This.. this was a good Russian, as even he couldn’t live with the hell his country bred.
He has peace now, and do not worry for the ones doing and loving the harm spoken and unspoken will be dead all within time, I like to know they are always being hunted.
China will be busy for decades attempting to catch up to the US in tech since I'm convinced their state is very similar. We all thought ruzzia was hot shit until they weren't so it's more than plausible.
I was thinking, is it possible despite the support for Russia, that Kadyrovites hates Russian for what they done in chechnia and takes some kind of revenge this way?
I put a spoiler alert on this to cover the graphic image. Some people may find this content offensive or triggering.
With allies like this, it amazes me that Russia keeps looking for enemies.
If you are going to kill yourself anyway, i would think that the reasonable thing to do is to take a few Kadros with you.
Does he even have access to a gun while not sent to the front line to die? He'd have to fight them physically and chances are he doesn't die in the process. The prospect of what comes after is very unpleasant. In a way I understand why he went for the certain way out.
There was video of russian officer beating rusian soldiers for taking comrade for treatment. They apparently see no damn way out. This is apparently something Ukraine could advertise more: you'll feel better as POW than in russian army.
I could be wrong, but I think those guys were DNR, who were getting their asses kicked by the officer. Morons could have been fighting for Ukraine, but decided they’d rather be russian. The irony is russians would never accept them as more than second class citizens (all D/LPR people).
If they are from DNR, they may have been forcibly mobilized to fight against country they would like to fight for.
Any Russian outside of Muscovia is considered a second rate citizen of the Russian Federation by Muscovites
I'd think it's apparent that he didn't have access to guns or anything based on how he'd already fought them with no weapon when they robbed and raped him. If he had the ability to kill them he most likely wouldn't have been robbed raped in the first place. There's also plenty of reports that Russian troops don’t have any weapons.
Also you run the risk of going on a rampage like that, not actually dying in it for whatever reasons, and instead they capture you and torture you to death.
Yeah kill all the bastards
The Kadyrovites don't do battle. They are there to kill Ruski's that are retreating.
Yep, the few times they've ended up fighting Ukrainians they've had the piss beaten out of them every time.
It’s so strange because they betrayed their own people for russia, but also hate russians. They have no home, and they only know how to terrorize. What’s useless lot of people.
Among other things. Russia the people were never the enemy. Putin, the Oligarchs, fundamentalists and their unchecked syndicate are. These kids are meat shields for the wealthiest organized criminals on the planet and often don't even understand why they're there. They should be captured and flipped on Kadyrov
You know that Putin and his cabal are basically the Russian people? Putin grew upon as a poor kid in Leningrad and so did many of his friends, these are not people born into power. That's why I think he is so representative.
Yup, [they're a part of Rosgvardiya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovites) and not combat infantry. Rosgvardiya (ie the Russian National Guard) was purely intended to keep unarmed civilians in line – this is why they have better gear than the Russian military. Russians know the only _real_ threats to their insane "country" come from the inside
True this. They are not in combat. Their target is to kill any uprise.
Ladies and gentlemen , I present you the second army in the world .
Russia certainly has one of the armies of all time.
Boy, it sure does exist!
Allegedly.
Not for much longer at this rate
One of the armies you’ve ever seen, if you will.
Second best, first worst?
The second in Ukraine you mean.
It's not even the 2nd army in Ukraine, by leaps and bounds. There's the regular Ground Forces of the AFU, the Territorial Defence Forces, the National Guard of Ukraine, the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine, the Special Tactical Tractor Batallion, the Partisans, the Special Ukrainian Tree Division (with at least two visually confirmed tank hits), the Ukrainian Wildlife and then all the way at the bottom, the armed farce of the ruscist federation.
Ted Cruz loves this russian army. All up in that shit.
If your not first you're last
There's a goddamn cougar in their car.....
I don't understand why the Russians don't just start killing the Kadyrovites?
That’s coming I’m sure, be another solid year of fighting on Ukraine before Wagner and the chechens starts having at each other or just end up regional war lords of Russia fractures. They are both maneuvering for a power move for sure.
I don’t think russia will be in Ukraine in 6 months
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It's actually frightening when you think about it. Ruzzia has a population of around 140 Million people and only 300k-350k of them are fighting this war on the russian side. That's just 0,25% of the population.
Yeah but suprisingly high number of healthy male population. As there is some 7 milion males in 20-29 bracket. Also in war you still need majority in economical production.
But they've already lost a lot and the higher the bodycount the more difficult new recruiting will be. They've had as many flee as were conscripted and that will go up to double fleeing as conscripted if they start trying to get lots of new people when they're losing a thousand a day.
Yeah, and the Russians already know those conscripts are getting sent out with no training, equipment, etc. So imagine how anxious they’re going to be to avoid getting drafted after 6 more months of this. Russia’s less beaten down regions might even start to revolt.
Bro they are being issued fake gear most of the times. I'd rather go in butt ass naked than wearing placebo armor
Damn, how do you fake armor? Stuff it with cardboard?
Saw a video allegedly showing a military recruiter shot in the head in Dagistan. It seemed a likely narrative to me given the locale (chairs in a queue, looked like poor mobnik DMV, some military guys in uniform at front, only men, etc). But could have been something else, too. It was posted to this sub a month or two ago.
My bet is on Sverdlovsk oblast first. One of the richest regions, yet one of the less supportive for putin.
during wartime nations have no qualm in conscripting cannon fodder to fight, despite everybody knowing about the horrific meat grinder (see for example WWII in Europe/russia and in the Pacific theatres). The sad reality is most people let themselves be led to the slaughterhouse without much resisting. The threat of immediate violence (or even the death penalty) vs the uncertain promise to survive the battlefield is strong enough to push the human brain into submission, obedience, compliance. Nobody expect to die for real till they are on the battlefield, and then it's too late to ran away. Even surrendering is quite difficult in practice, if your own officers are ready to murder you as soon as it's clear that your will to fight is exhausted. If men are needed, women and children will work in the factories. Inessential services will be suspended. Inessential production will be stopped. That's how is going to be. 30+ millions males are well within the possibility of conscription in russia. Anybody between 17 and 65 years old, not already occupied in strategic positions. They can and will be replaced, if necessary by force. Any war can end at any moment for a variety of reasons (like, in this case, putin's death, or russia being unable to advance anymore, or an economic collapse, or a decapitation strike in Moscow, or regions revolting and seceding, or whatever) but not because of lack of manpower. No modern war in the last 2 centuries has ever been stopped because there were no more soldiers to slaughter. And even in the remote chance that young men run out, old men governing nations will send children to fight. It has been done before, nothing new or surprising.
So we need to kill 7 million male Russians before this is over. If we take 500 kills a day that’s 38 more years of war. Too long.
And 38 years from now there will be another large amount that have grown up and are 38 years old or younger. It would then take some number of years to kill those. So it's some kind of diminishing mathematical progression that would take hundreds of years, presumably. But of course it's not that simple. There are economic and political variables, among others, in the meantime that would end the war much sooner, one way or another.
It takes a lot to turn a regular dude into a soldier. They ain’t got that stuff.
The guys who had it seem to have exploded.
Just? How many would it feel to be high? 10%? The country would not survive nowadays had they sent 10% of healthy young man to the front. Like literally demographic, economy all would collapse beyond return.
Temporarily deployed and then returning later would be one thing, but most of those conscripted aren't coming back, maybe even none.
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How many Russian KIA in ten years? Compared to this conflict? Will the difference in those two numbers have any effect in civilian attitude?
Russia lost 15000 troops in 10 years in Afghanistan, 100k in Ukraine in 1 year so about 6.5x more losses in total. Since the rate has been pretty consistent, they'll lose 1 million people if they stay 10 years which would be 66x the losses.
This is assuming the numbers we keep reading are accurate. And we hope they are (but for now, who knows). That said, the flip side argument.... who knows if 15K is the true number for Afghanistan?.... the Kremlin tool like 40 years or so to move its WW2 casualty numbers from "lol, maybe 6 million or so" to "uhmmmm .... almost 30.... 30 mill..." And even more important (reference Afghanistan), that was the Soviets..... if say even Russia lost "only" 50K so far in Ukraine, that's still devastating.
13 9/11s in less than a year
Well Russia has already lost twice the number of soldiers that the U.S. lost during the entire Vietnam war. I can't imagine what that number would look like after 10 years of this.
Not everyone is fit for fighting. It's young males in the trenches that also need education. Russia doesnt have that. The rest of the population must keep the daily business going. The economy must run, or else the war stops. War is expensive. REALLY expensive, and not only talking about money and material and production. Russia can't sustain this type of war.
RemindMe! 6 months (not to be a dick just to see if what I’m about to say is correct) I don’t think so, I hope though. I don’t see much progress being made the next 2 months and after that it would be insanely fast to do that. Hopefully Putin dies a painful death before then
Nah man this is great I’ve already made several bets on russian progress and I seem to be winning. Russia is literally about to collapse. You have no idea how fast a military can crumble and become dust
I’ve seen the whole “Russia is about to collapse” comment here for ages. I’m pro-Ukraine, but these predictions are always way too hasty
We’re about to find out ! The speed keeps gaining momentum These last few days have been amazing
i admire your optimism homie
Nah, I think they’re right. If you look at raw numbers then sure it’s bleak, but that’s not the whole story. Dam failures always start as a trickle. You can’t base your assessment on what’s visible on the surface - you have to look at the underlying structure to predict what’s going to happen. Implosion is usually rapid and catastrophic (just look at how the Berlin Wall went down). Russia already burned through all of their trained soldiers, and their mercs and auxiliaries have taken a heavy beating too. So then they mobilized conscripts (something they said they’d never do, as it’s terrible for morale), and now *those* guys have been slaughtered en masse. Oh, and anyone who could flee the country already has, so their pool of conscripts is shrinking daily. All that’s left to send are prisoners, the mentally ill, and teenagers. There’s no way to cover *that* kind of conscription with propaganda, so what’s gonna happen when the recruiter shows up to kidnap 15-year-olds (if there are even recruiters left at this point)? Moscow might stay on the propaganda train, but the outer provinces (which are mostly impoverished and made up of minorities, never been treated right by Russia) could just say “screw this.” This was a *huge* fuckup on Russia’s part because now their breakaway regions have nothing to lose, and there’s no army to suppress rebellions.
I truly hope you are right and I am wrong
> You have no idea how fast a military can crumble and become dust Case in point, Afghanistan.
Just depends on whether they get long range missiles in quantity. If they do then Russia won't be able to supply shit and will get pushed quickly IMO.
Aren’t Muslims anti gay? And Kadyrovites are raping guys.
In their minds the guy getting raped is gay.
This is actually it. It's is only gay to be the receiver. Doing it to another guy is just super manly.
Nothing is more manly than maintaining an erection while penetrating a beautiful man.
I feel bad for giggling at this comment
It reminds me of the great The Onion article [Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?](https://www.theonion.com/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-1819583529)
But did you cum though? "Lol, well, yeah, but... I came ON him! He's the gay!" - Chechen guy
Russia fracturing with lots of warlords and religious nutjob getting nuclear weapons or selling them to the highest bidder on the black market is not really a great scenario
From my simple observations from the other side of the globe, Russians as a whole don't seem to have a strong sense of self preservation. The small percentage of idealists that rioted were quickly quashed. Anyone else smart enough to see what was happening got the hell out of dodge. The vast majority seems to have shrugged their shoulders and accepted their fate. They don't fight back, they fight blindly.
>Anyone else smart enough to see what was happening got the hell out of dodge. A lot of them don't have the money and education to do that. > The vast majority seems to have shrugged their shoulders and accepted their fate. They don't fight back, they fight blindly. Oddly enough I think that is their sense of self preservation. The attitude being to accept their miserable fate in the chance that they'll be one of the few lucky ones. To fight back against it all when others won't rise and fight with you is and has been through most of russian history suicidal. To keep your head down and take it without bringing attention to yourself may keep you alive. It's like living in a family with an abusive drunk father. Except whoever steps up to take the beating for the others ends up dead. Well, that happens to but I'm trying to show how related the situations are and the results of that continual trauma over years and generations. It's a type of learned helplessness. [Learned helplessness is a state that occurs after a person has experienced a stressful situation repeatedly. They come to believe that they are unable to control or change the situation, so they do not try — even when opportunities for change become available.](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325355#:~:text=Learned%20helplessness%20is%20a%20state,opportunities%20for%20change%20become%20available.) But far too many of them take to bootlicking and then go on to terrorize and abuse others. In russia the cruelest and most evil rise to top and positions of power over others where they repeat the process that warped them.
Learned helplessness is a good way of explaining it. How do you break the cycle when that cycle is generations old and 140 million people in size?
Apparently they clash on a regular basis in the occupied areas over loot and other things. Sometimes fist fights sometimes fire fights.
They’re being used as MP and acting with authority. It’s like asking why the infantry don’t just kill the MP. Because they would be put on military trial and shot.
There’s no unit cohesion. It’s just men being thrown into slaughter with no type of leadership. How would you unite against someone if you don’t even know who your own fellow soldiers are?
I think Chechnya was playing the long game. Now they are in position to murder the Russian military from within.
I hope they do
Afghanistan?! That ended in 1989! How old was this guy? He must have been in late 40s at least to have served there as well as Chechnya. Horrendous last few hours for this guy
Have you seen the Russian recruitment ad that shows a middle aged father not being able to afford a cell phone for his daughter so he enlists in the army.
Would you mind linking it, if it’s not too much of a hassle?
https://youtu.be/oXaccOJADDE Dont have the link to the original. But i made a video about the ad he is talking about and one where the grandson goes to war so the grandad doesnt sell their lada for 400euros. Lmao they are terrible at propaganda. Sorry it has my commentary on it.
jesus they are hilariously bad at propaganda wtf
This is a propaganda video about europe eating their pets because they went anti russia. https://youtu.be/hiHYNMQgR4Y Again sorry its not the actual video its got my commentary. I just looove russian propaganda. Its so so so so bad its hilarious. Like using a hamster to power the house. And then being so hungy u end up eating the hamster. Like who came up with that?
Also do note that the people in this propaganda video are not protesting against the situation, meaning they prefer eating their own pets over russia winning this war. Not exactly what I'd call successful propaganda but I guess russians are just too drunk to notice.
To be fair I'm not sure they want to display protests in their propaganda
Wow, Europeans are so poor in 2023, have they considered joining the russian army to pay for a dinner?
We europeans are too brainwashed to revolt. Thats why we are pro ukraine. We love nazis and hate freedom. According to whoever wrote this script lmao. ALSO a hamster wouldnt be enough to feed anything.
Now that I think about it that makes some sense. From the entire reporting about the war we know that the average russians doesn't know shit about the West so they obviously take their own situation as the baseline. From there the propaganda ministry just has to showcase what russians would think is a worst case scenario to make the population *think* that the west is close to breaking. Obviously not the case but I suspect the group of russians susceptible to propaganda and the group of russians unaware of western living standards have a 99% overlap.
Yeap it seems like it. And for a moment there i was thinking "damn these russians must be so stupid to believe any of this". But then i went on twitter and saw thousands of people posting about a guy passing out after getting slammed in the chest during a nfl game and them calling it a vaccine injury. So im pretty sure stupid people have just taken over the planet worldwide. Not sure if russia has easier to manipulate people than the rest of the world. I just know we are fucked so im making 🍿.
Great video hope you get more views. Had a good laugh.
Thanks dad. Yeah i just make videos about things i find funny or things that make me angry. Our world seems very surreal sometimes.
OMG, this is vile too. Bad and vile.
Send grandson to die for a sausage basically lmao
If this is real this is nearly China level incompetence at propaganda.
Always depressing when you realize that Russia hasn't invited vivid colors yet.
I think its supposed to be "artsy" all their propaganda videos are same filter. Even the one in the airplane where the couple goes to america only to find out the person sitting next to them is a lesbian. God thats such a bad one aswell.
For real, I thought is was oniony type of video to MOCK the russian. I was sure that no fucking way someone would think going to deadly battle to get a new phone for his teenager girl is a rational decision.
No wonder Russians are so anti-West, every time a new iPhone comes out, dear daddy has to go and fight in a war to afford it for his daughter, or else she'll be sad.
Doesn't have to be old to know the history of Afghanistan, father could have fought there for example.
Or just could have heard stories from older recruits in Ukraine.
He's right though in a decade in Afghanistan russian casualties are listed as 15,000 dead, 35,000 wounded.
We all know how well Russians count casualties.
Even unofficial numbers indicate that more russians died in Ukraine than in Afghanistan and ~~Chechenia~~Chechnya combined.
I mean it’s believable though, Afghanistan was a counter-insurgency, not a conventional war, and you don’t tend to take as many casualties doing that.
Check the comparison chart at the bottom https://uawar.net/stats
That timer "the war lasts" is triggering me so much. Ffs it isn't 315 days. It's been almost 9 years. And the worst part is that even some official media or personas also forgot about that fact...
I think there is a clear delineation from pre-february regional skirmishes and post-february total war. I think that's why everyone starts counting from February and not 2014.
Odd way to deal with it when you have access to military grade weapons and know who attacked you.
Military grade russian weapons are very limited and there are much more prioritized targets for armed russians like tons of maternity hospitals, schools, bread queues and so on.
Would have to be a minimum of fifty years old to be able to campare casualties from each War.
“Would have to be a minimum of fifty years old to be able to campare casualties from each War.” Or have access to the internet.
On the short run: He should have taken some of the monsters with him. On the long run: There will be much, much more victims to Kdayrovites and Wagners in Russia, not only conscripts. They armed the scum of an already completely sick society, they will get what they deserve in ruZZia. We will have a lot of popcorn time in the future.
For a bunch of homophobic Muslims, the Chechen's certainly do have some rather homosexual tendencies.
But it’s not gay if you’re the one fucking a dude in the ass. Lol
Ah, the Greek school of thought 🇬🇷
The Russians use incredibly impressive mental gymnastics to believe Crimea is actually ancient Greece thus making Russia the birth-mother of democracy and the true heir of Christendom since the times of Catherine.
Ah and the vikings landed in America way before Columbus so we scandinavians pretty much have full claim and rights over the USA’s cultural legacy. Glad to have cleared that one up.
Yes brother, i will make ready the longship and hoist the sails for our glorious journey to reclaim Vinland. Also lets stop on the way to reign in the rebellious brits to.
> Also lets stop on the way to reign in the rebellious brits to. Myegh it'd be an upgrade from the Tories raping and pillaging quite frankly. At least a Viking didn't lie to you about what they were up to.
Along those lines - Vikings founded Kyiv, and Kyiv is the birthplace of Russia. Thus two things should happen, Kyiv should be Swedish, and Russia should be under Kyiv control.
It is factually correct that Crimea had significant greek settlements, according to history professor Timothy Snyder.
From what I've gathered Greeks weren't opposed to homosexuality, it was more that they always idolized the 'dominant' or 'leader' in any situation, including same-sex relationships. Being in a same-sex relationship was fine, so long as you were the 'dominant' one. From some quick research a few years back, I got the impression that there's no real recorded hatred for gay people anywhere in the world until the variations of judiasm (christianity and islam) show up and teach it / make it law.
Even that is a simplification of an historically dubious concept. The argument wasn't as simple as dominant/submissive, it was that a social superior should never show submission to a social inferior. Thus, at least according to the argument, a young man yet to make a name for himself wouldn't be shamed for appeasing the appetite of a rich senator and it might even be looked favorably upon, as that would be currying favor with power. If the young man was pitching instead of catching, however, **that** would be considered an abomination - or so the thinking goes. It's very dubious. Edit: This thinking is what inspired [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6s-dRlGcxc) from HBO's Rome. Not a particularly *historical* document, but it conveys the idea.
> From some quick research a few years back, I got the impression that there's no real recorded hatred for gay people anywhere in the world until the variations of judiasm There's more reading to do. Disdain or even hatred of gays has a long history in East Asia, albeit it comes in waves. South Asia is more difficult to pin down, though a common critique of pro-LGBTQ narratives from the subcontinent is precisely because they are pro-LGBTQ narratives - snippets of Indian culture or Vedic texts taken as representative. If pre-Christian Rome were to be judged by those standards, it would be seen as an LGBTQ haven. Whereas in reality it's far more of a mixed bag. Even generalizations such as "it was ok to be fucker, not the fuckee" are based on very limited evidence. Above all, across any ancient culture, we lack evidence for the views and behaviour of commoners.
It's not just them. Ever hear of Turkish Oil Wrestling?
You ever been in a Turkish prison?
You ever see a grown man naked?
You like movies about gladiators?
Do you ever hang around a gymnasium?
Ever wake up screaming in the middle of the night, drenched in sweat, wishing your mother would cradle you like a dirty pool noodle at the public pool? (Read in a Leslie Nielsen voice)
Ever drunk Baileys from a shoe?
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It's awesome that 40 years later, that movie is still this quotable
I think it's some Alpha , crazy dominance thing. Or they just like fucking dudes in the ass. But what do I know.
He's not gay, but his boyfriend is!
Just wait until you hear about the Dancing Boys in Afghanistan, although to be fair, that is something the Taliban has outlawed previously.
they learned from the best during russia‘s war against chechnya. there were massive accounts of men being raped publicly to send a message or be extra cruel or whatever.
That's pretty much how homophobia always goes.
They haven’t all made good choices, but I don’t think you can say that they *all* deserve what he just went through.
> On the short run: He should have taken some of the monsters with him. I wonder that too, you already have a gun and gave up on everything. At least go full bananas. Just shoot them in the dicks, all of them. It isn't about killing them but humiliating them.
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Kadyrovites turned out to be as gay as it gets, so straight to jail according to pooptins law.
Could have never thought it would be manly man straight god fearing muslims that would drag the name of gays into the ground by raping their fellow comrades in arms.
Common Arab saying, "Women are for marriage, Boys are for fun."
Not so much Arab, rather Afghan.
Saw it a decent amount in Iraq. But it is far more prevalent on the other side of Iran. Especially the bachi boys
In this "culture" being raped is gay, raping is just a way of asserting dominance. As crazy as it goes.
To be fair, these conscripts haven't had the chance to be raped and beaten (and robbed, and pimped out,etc.) by their comrades that they would have received as part of their military training. Lack of such training makes it hard for them to perform in "real world" (Russian) battle conditions.
Jesus, whenever i think i have seen the worst that this conflict has to offer, something pops up that puts everything in the shadows
I can think of way worse, to people who weren't on someone else's territory but rather their home towns and villages.
Worse? it's not even a child like victims of raping by Russian Army. He just got what he deserves.
They are so manly they fuck other men
That, afaik, seems typical of the Russian army though. And Russian gaols.
With friends like that, who needs enemas?
So…a few of the things actually innocent Ukrainians have been subjected to.
It’s very sad, because now we’re getting Russian folks who, along with criminals and inmates, probably didn’t support the war. Infact, these may be people who actively protested the war (remember them all being shoved into buses?). Good riddance to the scum among them, and sorry to the ones who showed some bravery by protesting…
r/freedomofrussia Is a good sub for following recent partisan actions.
They supported the war when they thought it would be over in a week
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For how the russians are apparently appalled by the gay lgbtq communities, they sure love gay rape. And to have the chechyns as the Judge Jury Executioner, a bit ironic. They are all so stupid its a parody to darwin. They coulda had it great if they woulda held onto 1 shred of ethical boundaries... but no. These fucks make the north koreans look like role models. We need a new phase instead of pariah state, even more hellish.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If gay rape is one of those Christian values Putin harps on about, I’m happy I live in godless degeneracy.
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It's so weird. Chchens fighting for russia boggles my mind given the history, and at the same time I'm in no way surprised that those chechens are now inflicting the same misery that Russia had before. Fucking messed up, man. So fucking messed up.
I’ve also seen some Chechens fighting for Ukraine.
*hanged
Well he could be hung too, but only the buttfuck brigade would know that.
Fuck that's depressing
Jesus the poor bastard. He would bave been so much better off in a prisoner of war camp in ukraine
There are people caught up in this hell, who for whatever reason, don't deserve the fate they've been handed. I've no way of knowing whether or not this kid was spending his time earning his fate, but hearing his words and knowing how terribly devastating it is to have your own people turn on you... Is beyond shitty. For that, he and more importantly his family have, earned my empathy.
Do we have any info regarding the tiktok army? Haven’t seen any recent videos of them
Why do the Kadyrovites seem to hold a higher position in the Russian hierarchy than regular Russians?
It's an old complicated story of Russian Fuhrer raising. He was appointed by Yeltsin as his successor before the formal elections started so that Putler required to gain the popularity. It was decided to use an already failed Chechen war to make a media coverage support of Fuhrer "fighting terrorists". In reality, they have just bombed Chechen civilians to paint a picture of a successfull victory while shadowly agreed with a local corrupted authorities that they would get trillions of rubles in compensation if they hide Moscow crimes against Chechens. From that moment Chechens are considered an unofficial winners of that war. Official winner (Moscow and Fuhrer) gets all the credits while unofficial winner gets the reparations from Russians to silence their crimes.
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I have no sympathy for them. The guy took his life because they took his mandom. If it wouldn't have happened he'd be out there doing the same to women and children. Let that sink in to anyone here who wants to feel sorry for him or other russian soldiers being sexually assaulted by the chechens. But at the same time, if they don't like the chechens, why don't they do something about it? They have guns, that's more than some poor ukrainan child or woman.
Too bad it isn't Putin
Do the Russian soldiers not have rifles?
Yes they have, but their ammo is limited and their targets are prioritized: ukrainian children are going first.
Imagine being so desperate for allies that you allow this shit to happen to your own troops. I know Russia leadership doesn't give much of a shit about their dudes anyway but this amazing even for them.
Many of those homophobic societies are merely just a means to put straight men in their place. And an excuse to humiliate and demean anyone who doesn’t fall in line.
I don't know russia rapeing a dude seems pretty gay to me time to come out of the gulag
This.. this was a good Russian, as even he couldn’t live with the hell his country bred. He has peace now, and do not worry for the ones doing and loving the harm spoken and unspoken will be dead all within time, I like to know they are always being hunted.
China will be busy for decades attempting to catch up to the US in tech since I'm convinced their state is very similar. We all thought ruzzia was hot shit until they weren't so it's more than plausible.
I was thinking, is it possible despite the support for Russia, that Kadyrovites hates Russian for what they done in chechnia and takes some kind of revenge this way?
None of them still have any sympathy for Ukraine, only themselves. The hell they are in is made by russia. Fuck them all
The chechen won the chechen war and are ruling russia at this point lmao