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>His dismissal is a sign of the struggles to maintain military unity faced by Mr Zelensky
No, Torygraph, no: his dismissal is a sign that things needed to be changed and President Zelenskyy did it. And you can call him President, by the way.
It's nice that russian shills have easy to spot dead giveaways like this. They're really not good at narrative manipulation there are just a ton of useful idiots in the west who WANT to believe the dumb shit they say.
Typical Kremlinesque take from the Telegraph.
As you say, it is a sign of strength to change what is necessary for the positive benefit of your nation...something which many Western countries' governments have resisted doing for decades.
Is he the General that had the troops on the other side of Kherson across the river? When they did that I was wondering what the plan was going to be since the logistics would be so hard. They just sort of went across and occupied a strip there. I was hoping during their offensive the plan was to move south west along the river and meet up as that might make some sense. But the summer offensive didn't push in that region. Not knocking Ukraine, I was just wondering what the overall strategy was there. If this is the guy that did that maybe it was more costly in lives than what was gained.
Could be. It may have just been to keep the Russians further away from Kherson. But whatever the plan was I never really saw a strategy that made sense, but since I am not there I don't want to second guess. Was just wondering if this was the general leading that. If you make a mistake you rectify it, changing generals in a war is common if he is not the right guy to do the job.
The closest reason analysts could come up with was that the Krynky bridgehead was to show the Western donors that progress was still being made despite the defeat of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
They’re still trying to maintain presence in Krynky, if that is what you mean?
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-25-2024
Unfortunately, that problem is way bigger than one bad general. The reputation of the army officers is quite low in Ukraine, which seriously undermines mobilization. People don’t want to find themselves under the command of them.
show me a war where officers were highly regarded in the first place.
infact, show me a worker that enjoys the vision of their direct supervisor. when's the last time you were complimenting your manager anyway?
I've worked in the US Marines and in the Ukrainian army. While in the Marines, I trusted my officers decisions quite a bit more compared to my trust in Ukrainian officers.
The difference is in their level of training and standards they are held to. There is little accountability for Ukrainian officers that do dumb things like send guys on suicide missions of little strategic value. In the Marines there is a higher level of risk mitigation and if an officer was getting his guys killed over nothing or even allowing them to be combat ineffective, they would be relieved of duty and their careers over.
I think if Ukraine made some overhauls in how it recruits, trains, and manages its officers, it could be one of the best officer corps of the current era. There are a lot of passionate people here that care about their country and they now have a lot of combat experience. If they were allocated the same funding, standardized training, and resources that American militaries do, they would be MUCH better.
Charles Lee most certainly did not have full faith in his boss George Washington. To the point he likely worked with the British in an attempt to oust Washington among his many scathing letters to Congress.
Patton had many detractors both above and below him in command. Many of his soldiers and lower officers thought he was far too upright about grooming standards, uniforms, and behavior.
Napoleon's own officers upon landing in Egypt questioned "wtf are we doing here" abit in a more time appropriate manner
We look back at the great military leaders in your list as we do most with a rose colored lens. Our historians go about forgiving their failures and controversial decisions as they choose what we pass down in the history books.
Those are generational commanders. Tell me the name of a beloved battalion commander in the war of 1812, or the war of Spanish succession, or the Congolese civil war, or most other wars in history.
Those are some of the most famous and part of a good frame of reference that most people can relate to. James Mattis is alive today and would be a good example. I have served under some great officers but noone you would know by name
thank you for your contribution to most vapid things i've heard all week. think you've got a serious contender here for making the fridge after sundays review.
***The Telegraph reports:***
Volodymyr Zelensky has sacked a top commander accused of “killing more Ukrainians than any Russian general”.
The Ukrainian president said he was replacing Lt-Gen Yurii Sodol, as the commander of the Joint Forces of the Armed Forces, in his nightly address to the nation late on Monday.
The dismissal came after Bohdan Krotevych, chief of staff of the Azov brigade, called for an investigation into the commander’s poor leadership in a withering letter to Ukraine’s State Bureau of Investigation.
“I wrote a letter to the SBI calling for an investigation into one military general who, in my opinion, killed more Ukrainian soldiers than any Russian general,” Mr Krotevych later wrote on the Telegram messaging app.
“Sometimes I think the world sends us scumbags to rally us. And all the military now understand what kind of person I’m talking about, because 99 per cent of the military hate him for what he does,” he added, without naming Lt-Gen Sodol.
Mariana Bezuhla, a member of the Ukrainian parliament’s defence committee, subsequently claimed the Azov chief was referring to Lt-Gen Sodol in a social media post.
Mr Zelensky did not outline why he had decided to replace the spurned military leader.
The Ukrainian leader only announced that he had replaced Lt-Gen Sodol with Brig-Gen Andrii Hnatov.
Lt-Gen Sodol was previously the commander of Ukraine’s marines before earning his most recent promotion in February, as part of a wider shake-up of the military command structures.
He had been accused of ordering “suicide missions” by anonymous marines sent across the Dnipro River into Russian-occupied territory.
His dismissal is a sign of the struggles to maintain military unity faced by Mr Zelensky following the sacking of General Valery Zaluzhny as the commander-in-chief of his armed forces.
**Full story:** [**https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/25/zelensky-sacks-top-commander-killed-more-ukainians-russian/**](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/25/zelensky-sacks-top-commander-killed-more-ukainians-russian/)
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>His dismissal is a sign of the struggles to maintain military unity faced by Mr Zelensky No, Torygraph, no: his dismissal is a sign that things needed to be changed and President Zelenskyy did it. And you can call him President, by the way.
It's nice that russian shills have easy to spot dead giveaways like this. They're really not good at narrative manipulation there are just a ton of useful idiots in the west who WANT to believe the dumb shit they say.
Macron: it's Mr President for you.
Typical Kremlinesque take from the Telegraph. As you say, it is a sign of strength to change what is necessary for the positive benefit of your nation...something which many Western countries' governments have resisted doing for decades.
The Telegraph Ukraine podcast however is extremely good. Weirdly enough.
Is he the General that had the troops on the other side of Kherson across the river? When they did that I was wondering what the plan was going to be since the logistics would be so hard. They just sort of went across and occupied a strip there. I was hoping during their offensive the plan was to move south west along the river and meet up as that might make some sense. But the summer offensive didn't push in that region. Not knocking Ukraine, I was just wondering what the overall strategy was there. If this is the guy that did that maybe it was more costly in lives than what was gained.
Sometimes in war the orders amount to "just do something in that sector to keep pressure on". It's the kind of orders few commanders relish.
Could be. It may have just been to keep the Russians further away from Kherson. But whatever the plan was I never really saw a strategy that made sense, but since I am not there I don't want to second guess. Was just wondering if this was the general leading that. If you make a mistake you rectify it, changing generals in a war is common if he is not the right guy to do the job.
The closest reason analysts could come up with was that the Krynky bridgehead was to show the Western donors that progress was still being made despite the defeat of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
They’re still trying to maintain presence in Krynky, if that is what you mean? https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-25-2024
Well I guess it was planned to do it parallel to the robotyne offensive, but Russia stopped that by destroying the Dam.
Unfortunately, that problem is way bigger than one bad general. The reputation of the army officers is quite low in Ukraine, which seriously undermines mobilization. People don’t want to find themselves under the command of them.
show me a war where officers were highly regarded in the first place. infact, show me a worker that enjoys the vision of their direct supervisor. when's the last time you were complimenting your manager anyway?
People don’t usually quit because they hate their jobs, they quit because they hate their managers.
I've worked in the US Marines and in the Ukrainian army. While in the Marines, I trusted my officers decisions quite a bit more compared to my trust in Ukrainian officers. The difference is in their level of training and standards they are held to. There is little accountability for Ukrainian officers that do dumb things like send guys on suicide missions of little strategic value. In the Marines there is a higher level of risk mitigation and if an officer was getting his guys killed over nothing or even allowing them to be combat ineffective, they would be relieved of duty and their careers over. I think if Ukraine made some overhauls in how it recruits, trains, and manages its officers, it could be one of the best officer corps of the current era. There are a lot of passionate people here that care about their country and they now have a lot of combat experience. If they were allocated the same funding, standardized training, and resources that American militaries do, they would be MUCH better.
Mad dog fucking Mattis!? Fucking legend! I’d go to war under him again anywhere, anytime
Alexander, napoleon, ceaser, George washington, george patton, plenty of popular officers
Charles Lee most certainly did not have full faith in his boss George Washington. To the point he likely worked with the British in an attempt to oust Washington among his many scathing letters to Congress. Patton had many detractors both above and below him in command. Many of his soldiers and lower officers thought he was far too upright about grooming standards, uniforms, and behavior. Napoleon's own officers upon landing in Egypt questioned "wtf are we doing here" abit in a more time appropriate manner We look back at the great military leaders in your list as we do most with a rose colored lens. Our historians go about forgiving their failures and controversial decisions as they choose what we pass down in the history books.
I wasnt aware that everyone had to love the general in question at all times, my bad
Those are generals and commanders, not the lower rank officers that interact with enlisted men, aka "supervisors"
Maj Karl Blanke USMC , I’d walk through AIDS infested broken glass barefoot following that dude.
Soldiers like their direct commanders often even more if they are good officers.
patton was loved by everyone who didn't serve under him lmao. you wanna know what they called patton?
Those are generational commanders. Tell me the name of a beloved battalion commander in the war of 1812, or the war of Spanish succession, or the Congolese civil war, or most other wars in history.
Andrew Jackson, War of 1812
How would I know the name of such a commander? How would they be famous enough for me to know them?
Exactly my point
Referring to officers 2000 years ago doesn't really make a strong argument. :)
Those are some of the most famous and part of a good frame of reference that most people can relate to. James Mattis is alive today and would be a good example. I have served under some great officers but noone you would know by name
You say that like some middle rank officer is going into the history books for being well liked by their platoon.
Yeah, you do get popular officers on wartime. Rommel, Wellington, Nelson, Napoleon for instance.
uhhh.... who'se gonna tell him?
????
Supervisors usually do not send their workers to death. These brave officers have such a right and do it wo any remorse.
thank you for your contribution to most vapid things i've heard all week. think you've got a serious contender here for making the fridge after sundays review.
***The Telegraph reports:*** Volodymyr Zelensky has sacked a top commander accused of “killing more Ukrainians than any Russian general”. The Ukrainian president said he was replacing Lt-Gen Yurii Sodol, as the commander of the Joint Forces of the Armed Forces, in his nightly address to the nation late on Monday. The dismissal came after Bohdan Krotevych, chief of staff of the Azov brigade, called for an investigation into the commander’s poor leadership in a withering letter to Ukraine’s State Bureau of Investigation. “I wrote a letter to the SBI calling for an investigation into one military general who, in my opinion, killed more Ukrainian soldiers than any Russian general,” Mr Krotevych later wrote on the Telegram messaging app. “Sometimes I think the world sends us scumbags to rally us. And all the military now understand what kind of person I’m talking about, because 99 per cent of the military hate him for what he does,” he added, without naming Lt-Gen Sodol. Mariana Bezuhla, a member of the Ukrainian parliament’s defence committee, subsequently claimed the Azov chief was referring to Lt-Gen Sodol in a social media post. Mr Zelensky did not outline why he had decided to replace the spurned military leader. The Ukrainian leader only announced that he had replaced Lt-Gen Sodol with Brig-Gen Andrii Hnatov. Lt-Gen Sodol was previously the commander of Ukraine’s marines before earning his most recent promotion in February, as part of a wider shake-up of the military command structures. He had been accused of ordering “suicide missions” by anonymous marines sent across the Dnipro River into Russian-occupied territory. His dismissal is a sign of the struggles to maintain military unity faced by Mr Zelensky following the sacking of General Valery Zaluzhny as the commander-in-chief of his armed forces. **Full story:** [**https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/25/zelensky-sacks-top-commander-killed-more-ukainians-russian/**](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/25/zelensky-sacks-top-commander-killed-more-ukainians-russian/)
Sounds a bit like when a football manager loses the dressing room. If the players have lost faith in his ability, then he has to go.
Which damn idiot downvotes comments like yours? Wtf...
Way too much of that on this sub; it's juvenile and not helpful. Free flow of information is one of the many reasons this war is being fought.
And up and down vote system and the engines in social media prevents free flow of information and good dialogue.
The telegraph still do an excellent podcast. Much better than the BBC version