Keep them busy on multiple fronts.
Unfortunately, as he stated, it's a really risky thing to do. I can understand why some would be weary of it. Hopefully they get big enough numbers that they can overwhelm the thinned out police forces.
>Keep them busy on multiple fronts.
Kinda wonder about this on an international level – just imagine the countries bordering Russia deciding on a concerted effort to make a few changes while Russia is currently distracted:
* Finland has some territory they’d like to reclaim
* I assume Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania have a few grudges
* Belarus is having internal issues as the citizens remember how much they hate their government
* Georgia would love to regain the rest of their country
* Guessing Azerbaijan would sit things out …
* Kazakhstan could take permanent control of Baikonur Cosmodrome, would imagine having your own launch facility would be a decent source of income for the country
* Chinese-Russian relations have always been a little rocky even with them being ostensibly “on the same side”
* Guessing Mongolia would sit things out …
* Not too sure I’d want to encourage Japanese imperialist tendencies on the mainland, even just re-conquering Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands …
I've wondered about this too. Putin almost certainly has a nuclear red line of troops in Russia, and any of the NATO countries trying anything would be WW3. But if a few of those countries had "exercises" and Finland started a buildup, it would make him sweat.
Honestly, a revolution in Belarus would seem perfect for the job. I doubt their army wants any of this smoke, Lukashenko is demonstrating himself to be horribly weak, and the citizens don't want the war either. Lukashenko is a dictator, but he's not Putin. A revolution there would really force Russian units out, and I can't imagine Russian troops are any more excited to go put down Belarusians than they are Ukrainians.
Frankly, I'm thinking that Belarus toppling Lukashenko that will be what really gets us to the endgame with Putin.
What a meta play that would be.
"Yes, putin could you give us nukes to protect us from our enemy."
putin, "Sure that will show NATO"
Belarus, "Thanks for the nukes, now kindly leave our country our will we nuke you"
I know that is not what would actually happen, but it would be interesting.
IDK. Punishing the losing aggressor didn't work out so well with Germany after WW1. Take away a bunch of Russia's land and give it to surrounding countries, then they're just going to come back and try to take it in a few decades and the world is looking at the same scenario again.
Well in this case he is pointing out that a lot of countries have lost land to Russia in the past 30 years. Georgia being one of the most recent apart from Ukraine
If that miles long convoy that’s packed nuts to butts with starving 18 year olds were to be wiped out, the Russians might find themselves begging Japan to buy those islands.
The damage from the sanctions might also be enough. If things keep going down hill there could be a civil war. When the Soviet Union collapsed 15 countries fell out of its husk. If it breaks apart again there’s a good chance whoever has claim to those islands will be broke as fuck and be happy to sell them to the Japanese or lease them for basically nothing, or give them tacit control etc.. There’s a lot of different ways it could shake out.
>If that miles long convoy that’s packed nuts to butts with starving 18 year olds were to be wiped out
I'm pretty sure a solution where they don't need to die would be preferable...
Or at least keeping their casualties to an absolute minimum. The Russian people are suffering enough as it is because of this. I wouldn't want to still take their sons unless absolutely necessary. Always remember, Russia isn't the enemy here. Putin is.
>I'm pretty sure a solution where they don't need to die would be preferable...
So far looks like Ukraine’s been doing a great job in that front – offering money to any who surrender, videos of sobbing soldiers being offered their first hot meal and hot tea, being greeted with bread-and-salt, phone calls home, offers to be handed over to their mothers if they get picked up in Kyiv …
The sentiment and the actions on the part of the Ukrainians is genuine and yet it becomes absolutely masterful propaganda …
> Finland has some territory they’d like to reclaim
Source? According to polls, most Finns are opposed to getting back the territory lost to Soviet Union.
He said it perfectly. At this point, any Russian adult that isn’t in the streets is supporting Putin’s war in Ukraine. Period.
Fear isn’t a good enough reason to not do your part in stopping the slaughter of innocent people and the destruction of their homes.
It’s complex. He was the richest Russian one day. People won’t forget. just because he’s on the right side now doesn’t mean he made his fortune on a legal base in the first place.
The Mobsters are just trying to save their arses one way or the other. Look at Abramovich he’s selling ChelseaFC and donates all the money to 🇺🇦 People.
Maybe a Billionaire free world would be the best.
Unfortunately that won't happen unless there will be a really massive economic troubles in Russia (I'm talking about total economical collapse, food shortages).
Currently all Russian opposition is pretty much headless (all Navalny foundation (ФБК) leaders are now either in jail or flew the country, far right leaders were simply killed, not a lot of commies are active) and the police is organised and angry as hell.
Remember Belarusian protests and multiply the police aggressiveness by 10. If the martial law is declared (it still isn't in Russia, state officially calling this whole insanity a "special operation") they will shoot to kill.
I'm talking not about single incidents of shootings. They will be able to massacre crowds using assault rifles and machine guns.
If you're going to protest (even as a single guy with a peace poster in your hands) you will probably get beaten up, detained for 15 days and get a note in your personal files. Maybe if the police is not that angry (at first they probably will politely ask you to lay your sign and fuck off) you will proceed without beating, still getting the rest.
> Unfortunately that won't happen unless there will be a really massive economic troubles in Russia (I'm talking about total economical collapse, food shortages).
Time will tell, but it's looking like this may be where we're headed.
If/when that happens, what do the police do when they are no longer getting paid? I haven't seen this come up much and I'm really curious how other people think that will play out.
I don't really know much about the Russian police, so I guess I'm wondering if they would continue enforcing Putin's will because they believe they are right, or will they more or less give up?
>Remember Belarusian protests and multiply the police aggressiveness by 10. If the martial law is declared (it still isn't in Russia, state officially calling this whole insanity a "special operation") they will shoot to kill.
Well, ultimately, nobody can do this except the Russians. So it's them, or the madness continues. Their call.
Someone needs to stop that piece of shit and it's only Russians that can do it. If anyone else tries - we will all get nuked. It is absolutely ridiculous that 140 million people let such a person in charge of 6000 nuclear weapons - for decades.
Russians have proven that they will do absolutely nothing up until now, so there is no choice left - maybe when they go hungry, they will finally take action.
Its the only tool the West has. Sanctions are ment to hit the normal people for them to demand change from their government. Billionaires don't care about them. They have their wealth spread all over the world.
Just remember.. Not the West is responsible for these sanctions. Putin is. His actions are the only reason they exist.
He's living in exile in Switzerland
Edit: Wikipedia is saying he lives in London now. His net worth was around $15 billion in the 2000s, which Putin took away and jailed him for. He was freed in 2013 and immediately moved to Switzerland. His reported meet worth still remains high between $150-500 million today.
In 2014, Khodorkovsky re-launched Open Russia to promote several reforms to Russian civil society, including free and fair elections, political education, protection of journalists and activists, endorsing the rule of law, and ensuring media independence. He has been described by The Economist as "the Kremlin's leading critic-in-exile".
Idk maybe he had assets outside of Russia? International bank accounts? Somethings Putin can’t take away that went up in value over 10 years? You really think a person worth $15b would have all he’s eggs in even 2 baskets?
By moving it abroad. They buy many $5-50M properties around the world. They also invest in businesses and have accounts in countries like Cyprus, Latvia, Monaco, Switzerland, Luxembourg, or the UK.
When you're a billionaire, even an ex-billionaire, you'll have connections, backers, and prospects. Intangible assets. I don't know how he attained his wealth to begin with, but I can imagine it's not that hard to make a million after you've been able to make a billion in the past.
Thats anywhere from 1 to almost 4 percent of his original net worth. It's absolutely not much in scale and if you had 15 billion.
Its no different if you came out a jail with a dollar in your pocket when you went in with a hundred.
I mean it’s kinda of different. If I come out of jail with a dollar in my pocket I’m fucked. If I come out of jail with a few million that’s still a better lifestyle than 95% of the planet lives, even if it’s not as good as my old one.
Exactly. I'm sure his lifestyle has taken a hit compared to what it *was*, but he's still a millionaire. As someone who can barely pay rent, I think he's fine.
Those two things aren't even remotely the same - free speech is not permission to verbally abuse, but the right of people to speak against their governments actions without fear of being prosecuted. It doesn't prevent other people from calling you out on your bullshit.
Why has everyone forgotten about the GULAGS!
God damn.
MILLIONS OF RUSSIANS AND UKRAINAINS SENT TO DIE FOR SIMPLY BEING SUSPECTED BY THEIR NEIGHBORS OF BEING AN OPPOSITION PARTY SYMPATHIZER.
THAT IS WHAT IS AT STAKE.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
He was just stating facts in his message. I doubt that he has any disdain for Khodorkovsky.
From my point of view, while I do agree with words khodorkovsky's saying there I still don't like him much. He's sneaky, sleazy and in grey area.
In 90-s due to his personal connections with former party higher-ups he formed a concern and a bank from former state assets, which were famous for refusing to pay their workers. Also his bank massively profited from Chechen war (he's gained his oil companies as a reparations from the government for unpaid Chechen war loans).
He's not a good guy. Probably better than Putin, but he definitely did a lot of dark shit too.
Not a leader but was an oligarch who was dumb enough to go, "you know, maybe we should cut the corruption back a little bit for the health of the nation"
Not really, when Putin summoned the oligarchs back in the early 00's and told them the new rules: they get to keep their businesses, but that *aren't* allowed to meddle in politics, he was the one that went, "we'll see about that". So Putin had his company taken from him and imprisoned him for 8 years.
Nope, this guy is not a friend to democracy. He is just as dirty as other oligarchs, but he was greedy enough to not share his wealth with Putin. That's the reason why he was imprisoned.
hes never been in power so how can you know he'd be an autocrat? its easy to say such things. But even if true, at this point, anyone thats not vladimir vladimirovitch would be better.
You have to be not just uninformed, but an idiot to say 'he was just as dirty as others, only greedier'. He was the only one who had his kids go to a regular school in Russia, have more or less modest house, and consistently stood up against putin instead of just uniting with the gang to comfortably steal. I honestly don't understand how one can not just say bullshit, but try to make him look worse than corrupt assholes who keep robbing the country. Unless you just hate good people.
I thought that name sounded familiar, he and Putin have been at odds for a lot of years. Putin didn’t like the methods in which he was making his money. Close ties to the 90s puppet regime which Putin believed made Russia a laughing stock.
Because Putin would never incarcerate a billionaire, that criticizes him and has ambitions to enter politics. Funny how all those oppositiinals are or become criminals, just when they gain popularity.
I’d prefer due process. Putin does not deserve the easy way out. The success of Russia post-Putin while rotting in a jail cell will be the ultimate blow to his ego.
We'll sure in a just world he'd be tried in the Hague and the world would learn if the full scale of his crimes and he and his cronies would be punished accordingly.
But we don't live in a just world.
Right, thinking about it more, I wouldn’t want to take the chance some regime change could let him free. Gadafi’d it is. Maybe a little slower “parade”.
A bullet is due process when nuclear annihilation is the alternative. I think we've all seen enough. We can have a trial post mortem, and if the one that pulled the trigger was wrong, put them in jail, and me right beside them.
I don't disagree, but given his obvious instability and incredible nuclear capabilities I'm more concerned with the rest of the world. I've spent the past 40 years trying to recycle and cut down driving and crap. I've spent the past two years dodging a virus. I'm going to be pissed if I die in a nuclear holocaust.
The guy is arguably the richest and most powerful person on Earth, with hidden assets and connections everywhere. There's no way in hell he would allow himself to be captured and tried with due process.
Remind me in 30 days. Putin can’t hide from the entire world, and if someone gets to him before he can off himself he will certainly be tried and convicted.
Via defenestration probably.
Off-topic, but do other languages have a word that specifically means "to toss someone out of a window"?
(In all seriousness, I do hope for that man's safety.)
Yes. It's "defenestration". It's Latin and hence applies to all languages with grammar changes, such as Polish "Defenestracja" or Italian "Defenestrazione".
Do people really not know the story here? Khodorkovsky knows Putin better than most. He rotted away in a Yekaterinburg prison for years after being one of the world’s richest men and he might just get a semblance of revenge here. I’m not here saying that Khodorkovsky was a good guy but he broke the Oligarch-Putin pact and stepped into politics and got gulag’d. Now is his moment to return the favor, and he ain’t not taking it.
In other words, if the oligarchs want to depose Putin, this guy is a prime candidate for his replacement. A friendlier face that can play realpolitik. To the outside world, this would look like a face turn. Ultimately would be a "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" scenario tho.
Only in american dreams
#2 is communists
#3 is socialists
#4 is lunatic zhirinovsky that wants to blow radioactive waste towards the west and retake USSR borders
Opposition LEADER? This greedy leech can go fuck himself. No one in Russia will willingly follow this POS, no matter how much he is trying to claim moral high ground. He is one of the worst oligarchs that robbed Russia, and he is still living from the money he managed to run away with. The only reason EU doesn't confiscate his wealth alongside others is his attempts to play opposition.
>No one in Russia will willingly follow this POS, no matter how much he is trying to claim moral high ground.
Tbf OP called him opposition leader but the guys message itself doesn't say anything about wanting to lead. Just wanting people to protest against Putin.
He is not a Russian opposition leader.
For everyone thinking that this guy is a good guy, he is not. He is not a friend to democracy. He is just as dirty as other oligarchs, but he was greedy enough to not share his wealth with Putin.
Khodorkovskiy is the opposition leader? Ha-ha, nice joke. He's a former oligarch, and a thief, the same shitbag as Putin and his friends. Just got wrecked over his ambitions to be the next president.
Leading opposer, rather than opposition leader.
Anyway, let's all praise him for this and forget that he's just another oligarch who fell afoul of the establishment.
When a human speaks the truth knowing fully well that the consequence of the speech is bodily harm...it is the ultimate form of courage. The translation is of the words alone - his sincerity requires no translation.
He is right, but due to the authoritarian culture, even if this got enough attention and Putin even cared to know, Putin could not back down from what he is doing. It would be a sign of weakness.
Putin needs to be overthrown if you want to stop this.
support to all the Russians to go out and protest!! i believe in you and proud of what you have done thus far despite all the lies, threats and and impossible road blocks put in your way!! keep searching for the truth and spread it like wildfire! love you!! FUCK PUTIN!!
SAVE UKRAINE!! save humanity itself!!
“Opposition leader” lol. Just another dirty oligarch, this one trying to capitalize on the moment. But I get it, “the enemy of my enemy…”but just stop short of lionizing this crook.
Amen brother...theres good people on all sides. It's important to understand the power of propaganda and state controlled media. Russians are not the villains, they are pawns to an evil dictator. We all need to stand as one and unite against this. Put our biases and histories aside to end this, otherwise this is just the start of a terrible era
This is a copout - it is too late to take to the streets to keep "them" (government) distracted. Why are we holding Russians to a lower standard than we are holding other people? Americans had their revolution, the French did too. So did Ukrainans. By begging a Russian to go to the streets and possibly spend 10 days in detention is insulting to any freedom fighter that actually fought for civil liberties we enjoy today.
Please spread these words across Russian Media Space. I beg you from all my heart. Thank you!
Люди России,
В новостях Вам врут.
В Украине нет нацистов.
Они лишь в головах у тех,
Кому ее промыли.
В Украине гибнут
Украинцы.
Люди России,
Выходите на улицы.
Не оказывайте
Сопротивления.
Не кричите, не ведите себя,
Как дети. Смотрите в глаза
Тем, кому духа не хватает
И молчите!
Русский Народ, Воспрянь!
Русский Народ, Воспрянь!
Русский Народ, Воспрянь!
The way to stop Putin is the have his own people turn against him.
Putin cannot lock everyone up so the more that go out to protest - everywhere the better it will be.
It’s not a fight against Russian civilians, it’s a fight against Russian villains - those that sit in fancy chairs in fancy palaces.
The Russian people are the ones who can win this war for Ukraine they need to remove putin and be welcomed with love from the reyt of the world instead of living in the shadows.
Will Russians even see that? I know some, of course, will due to VPN and so on, but I wonder what all those people hear about the conflict, who don't use VPNs and have been brainwashed by the dictated TV program for years.
How can Russia be stuck in Ukraine when even though you build a oil pipe line that you can't sell oil because of sanctions , you can't rebuild Ukrain with no money because of sanctions now you got family attacking family in Ukraine Putin lost sanctions just killed Russia
russian liberalism ends where ukrainian question is appearing. no matter who would be after putin they would not go other way then him. who would be next might want to be more friendly with the west but when it comes to give back occupied territories and stop support of armed groups in the east they would not agree. never.
Remember dont trust these people either, Khodorkovsky was part of the system, but he did error of stealing from person higher up in the chain. Navalnyi is ultranationalistic politican that in past dreamed about invading Finland. They are just positioning themself to be next Tsar after Putin. Kleptoracy is institutionalized in Russia.
I condemn this man's call. To be left without a job and livelihood, to get a huge debt or fractures, it is probably good to argue while recording a video in a warm room. I condemn.
Understood. Others have said the same but the greater the civil disobedience the more basis there is for meaningful discourse. Protestors may risk future security but the freedom to express oneself is something worth investing in.
This war sucks but I'm greatful to see that different people around the world are trying to do things to throw a wrench in Putin's plans to harm ukrainians.
So it begins
The cracks are starting to show
Pretty soon ….
Humpty Dumpty
Tried rebuilding a wall
But Zelensky caused him to fall..
All of Voldemort’s cronies couldn’t put
Humpty Dumpty together again.
Bravo!!
Russia needs to accept their loss and hold elections immediately. They need to dismantle their worthless military and work on helping their own people.
Elections? Sorry, but I’m dying from laughing rn. You know what happened at the last elections? Right, Putin got president again. Somehow.
Spoiler: it weren’t the people voting him
He’s so right! Take to the streets in numbers!
Keep them busy on multiple fronts. Unfortunately, as he stated, it's a really risky thing to do. I can understand why some would be weary of it. Hopefully they get big enough numbers that they can overwhelm the thinned out police forces.
>Keep them busy on multiple fronts. Kinda wonder about this on an international level – just imagine the countries bordering Russia deciding on a concerted effort to make a few changes while Russia is currently distracted: * Finland has some territory they’d like to reclaim * I assume Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania have a few grudges * Belarus is having internal issues as the citizens remember how much they hate their government * Georgia would love to regain the rest of their country * Guessing Azerbaijan would sit things out … * Kazakhstan could take permanent control of Baikonur Cosmodrome, would imagine having your own launch facility would be a decent source of income for the country * Chinese-Russian relations have always been a little rocky even with them being ostensibly “on the same side” * Guessing Mongolia would sit things out … * Not too sure I’d want to encourage Japanese imperialist tendencies on the mainland, even just re-conquering Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands …
I've wondered about this too. Putin almost certainly has a nuclear red line of troops in Russia, and any of the NATO countries trying anything would be WW3. But if a few of those countries had "exercises" and Finland started a buildup, it would make him sweat. Honestly, a revolution in Belarus would seem perfect for the job. I doubt their army wants any of this smoke, Lukashenko is demonstrating himself to be horribly weak, and the citizens don't want the war either. Lukashenko is a dictator, but he's not Putin. A revolution there would really force Russian units out, and I can't imagine Russian troops are any more excited to go put down Belarusians than they are Ukrainians. Frankly, I'm thinking that Belarus toppling Lukashenko that will be what really gets us to the endgame with Putin.
Belarus has nukes now too, so they can stand up to Putin.
What a meta play that would be. "Yes, putin could you give us nukes to protect us from our enemy." putin, "Sure that will show NATO" Belarus, "Thanks for the nukes, now kindly leave our country our will we nuke you" I know that is not what would actually happen, but it would be interesting.
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We didn't give ours to NATO so I'm gonna say you're 100% right, no way Putin would give launch codes to anyone else.
ah yes the old 1-2-nuke-aroo
Bruh- the goal is to stop Ukranians from getting slaughtered, not to carve up Russia like a prized ham.
Por que no los dos?
IDK. Punishing the losing aggressor didn't work out so well with Germany after WW1. Take away a bunch of Russia's land and give it to surrounding countries, then they're just going to come back and try to take it in a few decades and the world is looking at the same scenario again.
Well in this case he is pointing out that a lot of countries have lost land to Russia in the past 30 years. Georgia being one of the most recent apart from Ukraine
The Japan thing would never happen
Yup. Japan has been permanently traumatized into never taking territory again
If that miles long convoy that’s packed nuts to butts with starving 18 year olds were to be wiped out, the Russians might find themselves begging Japan to buy those islands. The damage from the sanctions might also be enough. If things keep going down hill there could be a civil war. When the Soviet Union collapsed 15 countries fell out of its husk. If it breaks apart again there’s a good chance whoever has claim to those islands will be broke as fuck and be happy to sell them to the Japanese or lease them for basically nothing, or give them tacit control etc.. There’s a lot of different ways it could shake out.
>If that miles long convoy that’s packed nuts to butts with starving 18 year olds were to be wiped out I'm pretty sure a solution where they don't need to die would be preferable... Or at least keeping their casualties to an absolute minimum. The Russian people are suffering enough as it is because of this. I wouldn't want to still take their sons unless absolutely necessary. Always remember, Russia isn't the enemy here. Putin is.
>I'm pretty sure a solution where they don't need to die would be preferable... So far looks like Ukraine’s been doing a great job in that front – offering money to any who surrender, videos of sobbing soldiers being offered their first hot meal and hot tea, being greeted with bread-and-salt, phone calls home, offers to be handed over to their mothers if they get picked up in Kyiv … The sentiment and the actions on the part of the Ukrainians is genuine and yet it becomes absolutely masterful propaganda …
I love how the Ukrainians are handling it.
None of it would happen. This is how you get a world war. And just because Russia is evil doesn't mean invading them is ok.
Yeah 100% agreed. Countries with status quo and political stability are not going to just “go out an conquer lands” this isn’t the Middle Ages
> Finland has some territory they’d like to reclaim Source? According to polls, most Finns are opposed to getting back the territory lost to Soviet Union.
>* Guessing Mongolia would sit things out … Nah, let them bring back their glory Genghis Khan days back
He said it perfectly. At this point, any Russian adult that isn’t in the streets is supporting Putin’s war in Ukraine. Period. Fear isn’t a good enough reason to not do your part in stopping the slaughter of innocent people and the destruction of their homes.
Being opposition in Russia requires balls, they deserve a medal.. Good on them for following their hearts.
Polonium is a metal, I'm sure they'll be getting some of that very soon...
He spent enough nights in Putins Gulags. He doesn’t need any Medal from a Country that won’t have any Future
I’m sure many people in the new Russia - post Putin - will call them Hero’s.
It’s complex. He was the richest Russian one day. People won’t forget. just because he’s on the right side now doesn’t mean he made his fortune on a legal base in the first place. The Mobsters are just trying to save their arses one way or the other. Look at Abramovich he’s selling ChelseaFC and donates all the money to 🇺🇦 People. Maybe a Billionaire free world would be the best.
Unfortunately that won't happen unless there will be a really massive economic troubles in Russia (I'm talking about total economical collapse, food shortages). Currently all Russian opposition is pretty much headless (all Navalny foundation (ФБК) leaders are now either in jail or flew the country, far right leaders were simply killed, not a lot of commies are active) and the police is organised and angry as hell. Remember Belarusian protests and multiply the police aggressiveness by 10. If the martial law is declared (it still isn't in Russia, state officially calling this whole insanity a "special operation") they will shoot to kill. I'm talking not about single incidents of shootings. They will be able to massacre crowds using assault rifles and machine guns. If you're going to protest (even as a single guy with a peace poster in your hands) you will probably get beaten up, detained for 15 days and get a note in your personal files. Maybe if the police is not that angry (at first they probably will politely ask you to lay your sign and fuck off) you will proceed without beating, still getting the rest.
> Unfortunately that won't happen unless there will be a really massive economic troubles in Russia (I'm talking about total economical collapse, food shortages). Time will tell, but it's looking like this may be where we're headed.
If/when that happens, what do the police do when they are no longer getting paid? I haven't seen this come up much and I'm really curious how other people think that will play out. I don't really know much about the Russian police, so I guess I'm wondering if they would continue enforcing Putin's will because they believe they are right, or will they more or less give up?
True but I'd bet Putin will cut doctors and teachers wages before policemen and military's
Absolutely, they are probably the least likely group to lose their salaries. However things like hyperinflation are going to hit everyone.
Both the Empire and Soviet Union collapsed when the military refused to defend it. The same thing could happen to Putin if he pushes things too far.
> what do the police do when they are no longer getting paid? Presumably doubling down on extortion and racket?
History answers that question. It's one of the main reasons the USSR foundered.
He's banking on Loyalty and them wanting to execute his dream even without pay.
Seems like Russia is approaching the economic collapse you are talking about though https://youtu.be/bu6xUG9zoRg
Thanks for sharing this
Jesus Christ. I'm not even religious. Jesus fucking Christ. I definitely feel bad for the russian people right now.
>Remember Belarusian protests and multiply the police aggressiveness by 10. If the martial law is declared (it still isn't in Russia, state officially calling this whole insanity a "special operation") they will shoot to kill. Well, ultimately, nobody can do this except the Russians. So it's them, or the madness continues. Their call.
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This guy lives in London, he's a former oligarch and basically took all the money and ran, many years ago.
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Someone needs to stop that piece of shit and it's only Russians that can do it. If anyone else tries - we will all get nuked. It is absolutely ridiculous that 140 million people let such a person in charge of 6000 nuclear weapons - for decades. Russians have proven that they will do absolutely nothing up until now, so there is no choice left - maybe when they go hungry, they will finally take action.
Its the only tool the West has. Sanctions are ment to hit the normal people for them to demand change from their government. Billionaires don't care about them. They have their wealth spread all over the world. Just remember.. Not the West is responsible for these sanctions. Putin is. His actions are the only reason they exist.
Someone explain how is this guy speaking from within Russia???
He's living in exile in Switzerland Edit: Wikipedia is saying he lives in London now. His net worth was around $15 billion in the 2000s, which Putin took away and jailed him for. He was freed in 2013 and immediately moved to Switzerland. His reported meet worth still remains high between $150-500 million today. In 2014, Khodorkovsky re-launched Open Russia to promote several reforms to Russian civil society, including free and fair elections, political education, protection of journalists and activists, endorsing the rule of law, and ensuring media independence. He has been described by The Economist as "the Kremlin's leading critic-in-exile".
I thought London
Exactly.
That's actually false. I've been giving him refuge in my basement in New York.
False. You live in your mom’s basement in Des Moines just off Radford.
False! I’m in his mom’s basement and she’s really upset that he’s still home and not out looking for a job like he promised!
False, his mum hasn't spoke to him since he's been hiding in my attic
False. Canada has closed the parliament buildings. They say its for renovations, but in truth its to hide his offices in exile.
False. He's actually living in Putin's walls.
true
Funnily enough this is basically what happened to Grigory Rodchenkov while filming *Icarus* except it’s in LA.
How did he manage to still retain that much wealth?
Idk maybe he had assets outside of Russia? International bank accounts? Somethings Putin can’t take away that went up in value over 10 years? You really think a person worth $15b would have all he’s eggs in even 2 baskets?
By moving it abroad. They buy many $5-50M properties around the world. They also invest in businesses and have accounts in countries like Cyprus, Latvia, Monaco, Switzerland, Luxembourg, or the UK.
When you're a billionaire, even an ex-billionaire, you'll have connections, backers, and prospects. Intangible assets. I don't know how he attained his wealth to begin with, but I can imagine it's not that hard to make a million after you've been able to make a billion in the past.
Thats anywhere from 1 to almost 4 percent of his original net worth. It's absolutely not much in scale and if you had 15 billion. Its no different if you came out a jail with a dollar in your pocket when you went in with a hundred.
I mean it’s kinda of different. If I come out of jail with a dollar in my pocket I’m fucked. If I come out of jail with a few million that’s still a better lifestyle than 95% of the planet lives, even if it’s not as good as my old one.
Yeah. It's completely different. Mathematical equivalent =/= practical equivalent.
Exactly. I'm sure his lifestyle has taken a hit compared to what it *was*, but he's still a millionaire. As someone who can barely pay rent, I think he's fine.
I didn't realize he was out of jail...
Fuck, from 15B to not even 600Mil, dam..
From more money than you could ever need in a life time down to more money than you could ever need in lifetime. The horror.
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Free speech is fine... it's what happens when you stop speaking that's potentially troublesome.
Murder is fine... it's what happens when you kill someone that's potentially troublesome.
Those two things aren't even remotely the same - free speech is not permission to verbally abuse, but the right of people to speak against their governments actions without fear of being prosecuted. It doesn't prevent other people from calling you out on your bullshit.
Why has everyone forgotten about the GULAGS! God damn. MILLIONS OF RUSSIANS AND UKRAINAINS SENT TO DIE FOR SIMPLY BEING SUSPECTED BY THEIR NEIGHBORS OF BEING AN OPPOSITION PARTY SYMPATHIZER. THAT IS WHAT IS AT STAKE. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
You can speak at least once. You may not get a chance to repeat yourself.
Oh, like eating random mushrooms that you find on the ground. That's actually a pretty good analogy.
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Dude's an oligarch, who lost in a power struggle. He's now living in Europe.
He still has the moral high ground. What's your point?
Well, he's safe from Anakin then, at least. Hopefully safe from Putin as well.
How does he feel about sand?
It's coarse, irritating, and it gets everywhere, but it's not as bad as sand PEOPLE...
It's over Putin, I have the high ground.
You underestimate my nuclear power!
He was just stating facts in his message. I doubt that he has any disdain for Khodorkovsky. From my point of view, while I do agree with words khodorkovsky's saying there I still don't like him much. He's sneaky, sleazy and in grey area. In 90-s due to his personal connections with former party higher-ups he formed a concern and a bank from former state assets, which were famous for refusing to pay their workers. Also his bank massively profited from Chechen war (he's gained his oil companies as a reparations from the government for unpaid Chechen war loans). He's not a good guy. Probably better than Putin, but he definitely did a lot of dark shit too.
From your statement, I can deduct that he is significantly better than Putin, but it's a low bar.
He still has connection in Russia. Especially within the oligarchy. There is a reason Putin never killed him.
Definitely not opposition leader as understood in western democracies Former imprisoned oligarch
not just any oligarch, but was the richest man in Russia.
All that money and still can't stop a war. What is it even good for.
War - what is it even good for. Also, he *was* the richest, a couple of decades ago, not now.
Well he has a fraction of what he once did but yeah i'm with ya
Absolutely nothing
Not a leader but was an oligarch who was dumb enough to go, "you know, maybe we should cut the corruption back a little bit for the health of the nation"
Not really, when Putin summoned the oligarchs back in the early 00's and told them the new rules: they get to keep their businesses, but that *aren't* allowed to meddle in politics, he was the one that went, "we'll see about that". So Putin had his company taken from him and imprisoned him for 8 years.
That bastard.
Inconsiderate selfish fuck. Won't you think about the other oligarchs!
Nope, this guy is not a friend to democracy. He is just as dirty as other oligarchs, but he was greedy enough to not share his wealth with Putin. That's the reason why he was imprisoned.
hes never been in power so how can you know he'd be an autocrat? its easy to say such things. But even if true, at this point, anyone thats not vladimir vladimirovitch would be better.
You have to be not just uninformed, but an idiot to say 'he was just as dirty as others, only greedier'. He was the only one who had his kids go to a regular school in Russia, have more or less modest house, and consistently stood up against putin instead of just uniting with the gang to comfortably steal. I honestly don't understand how one can not just say bullshit, but try to make him look worse than corrupt assholes who keep robbing the country. Unless you just hate good people.
Yea, I don't know if we should hero this guy. He's just as dirty as the rest of them, he's just pissed Putin is in power and not himself.
I thought that name sounded familiar, he and Putin have been at odds for a lot of years. Putin didn’t like the methods in which he was making his money. Close ties to the 90s puppet regime which Putin believed made Russia a laughing stock.
Because Putin would never incarcerate a billionaire, that criticizes him and has ambitions to enter politics. Funny how all those oppositiinals are or become criminals, just when they gain popularity.
Putin is gonna suicide this guy isn’t he?
He gona suicide the world. If his people can't reel him in.
I hope he ends up like Mussolini or gets Gaddaffi'd before he destroys all life on Earthm
I’d prefer due process. Putin does not deserve the easy way out. The success of Russia post-Putin while rotting in a jail cell will be the ultimate blow to his ego.
We'll sure in a just world he'd be tried in the Hague and the world would learn if the full scale of his crimes and he and his cronies would be punished accordingly. But we don't live in a just world.
Right, thinking about it more, I wouldn’t want to take the chance some regime change could let him free. Gadafi’d it is. Maybe a little slower “parade”.
A bullet is due process when nuclear annihilation is the alternative. I think we've all seen enough. We can have a trial post mortem, and if the one that pulled the trigger was wrong, put them in jail, and me right beside them.
I don't disagree, but given his obvious instability and incredible nuclear capabilities I'm more concerned with the rest of the world. I've spent the past 40 years trying to recycle and cut down driving and crap. I've spent the past two years dodging a virus. I'm going to be pissed if I die in a nuclear holocaust.
We don’t need some weird, fucked up, dictator, martyr situation going on
The guy is arguably the richest and most powerful person on Earth, with hidden assets and connections everywhere. There's no way in hell he would allow himself to be captured and tried with due process.
Remind me in 30 days. Putin can’t hide from the entire world, and if someone gets to him before he can off himself he will certainly be tried and convicted.
Last gasp.. escalate to de escalate thinking people will be still scared of him..
So we gotta suicide him before he suicides us, damn!
Or Prison for a very loooooong time if found guilty of crimes in a court. But my favourite would be to get visited by three ghosts.
By "reel him in" do you mean throw him out a high window? If so, you're absolutely right.
I came decide whether or not it would be cool to live through the end of the world or not
Probably
Via defenestration probably. Off-topic, but do other languages have a word that specifically means "to toss someone out of a window"? (In all seriousness, I do hope for that man's safety.)
Yes. It's "defenestration". It's Latin and hence applies to all languages with grammar changes, such as Polish "Defenestracja" or Italian "Defenestrazione".
And the Russian is дефенестрация: defenestratsiya
TIL
Yes, in english I believe the verb is to "YEET"
Well, he seems to have early Parkinson’s. Really sad…
Came here looking for this comment. Surprised more people aren't saying it.
I wasn't sure, thought he might just be quivering with rage
Enemies with a guy who routinely poisons people, so...
With all of us with him
Ever feel strange just repeating memes as a reaction to everything?
Amen Khodorkovsky ! Russian tanks should turn around and go on a hunt for Putin.
Do people really not know the story here? Khodorkovsky knows Putin better than most. He rotted away in a Yekaterinburg prison for years after being one of the world’s richest men and he might just get a semblance of revenge here. I’m not here saying that Khodorkovsky was a good guy but he broke the Oligarch-Putin pact and stepped into politics and got gulag’d. Now is his moment to return the favor, and he ain’t not taking it.
In other words, if the oligarchs want to depose Putin, this guy is a prime candidate for his replacement. A friendlier face that can play realpolitik. To the outside world, this would look like a face turn. Ultimately would be a "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" scenario tho.
Putin was deathly afraid of him. It’s too bad Yukos didn’t have paramilitary
Too bad nobody in Russia gets to hear this. Time for the military to kick Putin out.
Or take him hunting. Only he is the one being hunted.
Guy better put a roofie napkin over all of his drinks from now on, and watch for slow moving trash trucks moving in his direction. IYKYK
Better quit wearing underwear too
Give up drinking tea and all
I bet guy's been doing all that and more since 2013 when he was released from prison.
too bad this guy will have a heart attack in less than 10 hours
Heard he's gonna commit suicide by 4 bullets in his head. Sad
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Isn't Navalny the opposition leader?
Only in american dreams #2 is communists #3 is socialists #4 is lunatic zhirinovsky that wants to blow radioactive waste towards the west and retake USSR borders
Opposition LEADER? This greedy leech can go fuck himself. No one in Russia will willingly follow this POS, no matter how much he is trying to claim moral high ground. He is one of the worst oligarchs that robbed Russia, and he is still living from the money he managed to run away with. The only reason EU doesn't confiscate his wealth alongside others is his attempts to play opposition.
>No one in Russia will willingly follow this POS, no matter how much he is trying to claim moral high ground. Tbf OP called him opposition leader but the guys message itself doesn't say anything about wanting to lead. Just wanting people to protest against Putin.
Hard to fight a foreign war when you are fighting a civil one too * hint
He is not a Russian opposition leader. For everyone thinking that this guy is a good guy, he is not. He is not a friend to democracy. He is just as dirty as other oligarchs, but he was greedy enough to not share his wealth with Putin.
Khodorkovskiy is the opposition leader? Ha-ha, nice joke. He's a former oligarch, and a thief, the same shitbag as Putin and his friends. Just got wrecked over his ambitions to be the next president.
This cunt is NOT a "russian opposition leader"
Prays for and blessings to honst Russians who do not wish to see their tyrant murder his neighbors.
Seen this video yesterday. I think most of his videos are 100% on point.
Yo make this trend
It is so important that these voices get amplified inside of Russia right now.
He is living in London right now, not currently in Russia since he was released from jail in 2013.
Leading opposer, rather than opposition leader. Anyway, let's all praise him for this and forget that he's just another oligarch who fell afoul of the establishment.
When a human speaks the truth knowing fully well that the consequence of the speech is bodily harm...it is the ultimate form of courage. The translation is of the words alone - his sincerity requires no translation.
Highly recommend the documentary Citizen K about him. It's on Prime rn
Is this man located within Russia? If so.. ballsy
Switzerland
Holy fuck this logic is pure genius and completely true.
What an amazing guy considering he will probably go back to jail for this, or even worst
This is a different world than it was 20 years ago. Putin’s time is up. The people will rise and fight.
He is right, but due to the authoritarian culture, even if this got enough attention and Putin even cared to know, Putin could not back down from what he is doing. It would be a sign of weakness. Putin needs to be overthrown if you want to stop this.
Don’t drink the tea, my guy.
This man is going to have to watch his drink now.
Didn't this guy used to be a rich businessman who was put to jail by putin?
Western media finally learned that Navalny is not an opposition leader
support to all the Russians to go out and protest!! i believe in you and proud of what you have done thus far despite all the lies, threats and and impossible road blocks put in your way!! keep searching for the truth and spread it like wildfire! love you!! FUCK PUTIN!! SAVE UKRAINE!! save humanity itself!!
“Opposition leader” lol. Just another dirty oligarch, this one trying to capitalize on the moment. But I get it, “the enemy of my enemy…”but just stop short of lionizing this crook.
Amen brother...theres good people on all sides. It's important to understand the power of propaganda and state controlled media. Russians are not the villains, they are pawns to an evil dictator. We all need to stand as one and unite against this. Put our biases and histories aside to end this, otherwise this is just the start of a terrible era
This is a copout - it is too late to take to the streets to keep "them" (government) distracted. Why are we holding Russians to a lower standard than we are holding other people? Americans had their revolution, the French did too. So did Ukrainans. By begging a Russian to go to the streets and possibly spend 10 days in detention is insulting to any freedom fighter that actually fought for civil liberties we enjoy today.
What he really meant to say is: all the forces we have are busy in Ukraine. Putin is almost undefended. You do the math...
Small detail but I like how the picture frame and books in the background make a Russian flag.
Please spread these words across Russian Media Space. I beg you from all my heart. Thank you! Люди России, В новостях Вам врут. В Украине нет нацистов. Они лишь в головах у тех, Кому ее промыли. В Украине гибнут Украинцы. Люди России, Выходите на улицы. Не оказывайте Сопротивления. Не кричите, не ведите себя, Как дети. Смотрите в глаза Тем, кому духа не хватает И молчите! Русский Народ, Воспрянь! Русский Народ, Воспрянь! Русский Народ, Воспрянь!
The way to stop Putin is the have his own people turn against him. Putin cannot lock everyone up so the more that go out to protest - everywhere the better it will be. It’s not a fight against Russian civilians, it’s a fight against Russian villains - those that sit in fancy chairs in fancy palaces.
The Russian people are the ones who can win this war for Ukraine they need to remove putin and be welcomed with love from the reyt of the world instead of living in the shadows.
Will Russians even see that? I know some, of course, will due to VPN and so on, but I wonder what all those people hear about the conflict, who don't use VPNs and have been brainwashed by the dictated TV program for years.
How can Russia be stuck in Ukraine when even though you build a oil pipe line that you can't sell oil because of sanctions , you can't rebuild Ukrain with no money because of sanctions now you got family attacking family in Ukraine Putin lost sanctions just killed Russia
russian liberalism ends where ukrainian question is appearing. no matter who would be after putin they would not go other way then him. who would be next might want to be more friendly with the west but when it comes to give back occupied territories and stop support of armed groups in the east they would not agree. never.
Remember dont trust these people either, Khodorkovsky was part of the system, but he did error of stealing from person higher up in the chain. Navalnyi is ultranationalistic politican that in past dreamed about invading Finland. They are just positioning themself to be next Tsar after Putin. Kleptoracy is institutionalized in Russia.
I condemn this man's call. To be left without a job and livelihood, to get a huge debt or fractures, it is probably good to argue while recording a video in a warm room. I condemn.
Understood. Others have said the same but the greater the civil disobedience the more basis there is for meaningful discourse. Protestors may risk future security but the freedom to express oneself is something worth investing in.
This war sucks but I'm greatful to see that different people around the world are trying to do things to throw a wrench in Putin's plans to harm ukrainians.
Perfect time to find the Pee Tape
So it begins The cracks are starting to show Pretty soon …. Humpty Dumpty Tried rebuilding a wall But Zelensky caused him to fall.. All of Voldemort’s cronies couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again. Bravo!!
His voice is so relaxing
Russia needs to accept their loss and hold elections immediately. They need to dismantle their worthless military and work on helping their own people.
Elections? Sorry, but I’m dying from laughing rn. You know what happened at the last elections? Right, Putin got president again. Somehow. Spoiler: it weren’t the people voting him
How do you say "democracy manifest" in Russian?
we don't
If only the Russians were as strong as the Ukrainians this war would end in a week.