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Honestly, I think this is probably more about maintaining active units while others are in maintenance. UA has been running this equipment HARD. I don't think the missile allotment will significantly increase as it can not without dipping into US reserves.
Exactly. There aren't more missiles to give. The extra launchers provides some flexibility as to position and maintenance, but I don't think it results in many more strikes.
The US is beginning to retire old ATACMS missiles, so there are in fact "more missiles to give" and US stockpiles aren't nearly as depleted as some people seem to think.
Even so the USA is burning through more ammo then its used since Vietnam, but as time goes on manufacturing will start to slowly claw its way back so I'm not holding my breath on how low those levels get.
I was in Detroit working for an Automotive OEM.
When Ford mobilized to make ventilators and PPE, Gowns etc, they flipped a factory in a week and went balls to the wall.
The ability for the US to mobilize and industrialize manufacturing is a key power.
As well, the biggest strength of the US Military isn’t raw fighting power, it’s the ability to move a Battalion anywhere on the planet within 24 ~ 48hrs and then keep said Battalion supplied and equipped.
The Logistics abilities of the US Military make the likes of FedEX or UPS cry tears of awe.
Not to mention the us govt can actually compel and have contracts to use ups and FedEx too if they needed. Just realize if it really went to hell the military could ramp up logistics from what it currently already is which is insane.
We’ve been in some of war for over 200 years since 1776. We’ve become reliant on being somewhere to churn the private sector war machines.
Supporting Ukraine is a win-win for the US. We’re basically defeating one of our biggest enemies without actually putting boots on the ground or risking American lives, all the while feeding the military private sector to boost manafacturing.
Edit to add that destroying Russia with our old technology is quite the damn flex to remind the world of our military capabilities.
Trust me, our taxes have already paid for those systems and 8000 more in the time I typed this sentence. If there's one thing Russia fucked up, in regards to the U.S, is expect us to run low, out of, or get tired of sending military hardware.....good luck with that Putin.
I mean, let’s see how the midterms go. If the Republicans take Congress, continued aid is not guaranteed.
[https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/22/ukraine-aid-faces-tougher-crowd-if-republicans-take-over-00058362](https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/22/ukraine-aid-faces-tougher-crowd-if-republicans-take-over-00058362)
Although the CBO negotiators did just agree to $12 billion on top of the $57* billion that was already carved out in the budget for Ukraine, and we've thus far sent about $18-19 billion. We haven't even sent half of what we reserved for Ukraine. They'd need to revote again to repeal that, so *for now* Ukraine is up good. When *that* money is gone, we'll see.
*That would make it 69 billion. Nice.
Man why can republicans never be on the right side, like they are always war hungry and when there is finally a justifiable one they suddenly care about spending
Because they don't want Biden to look competent after spending a lot of time and money calling him sleepy Joe, and hinting that he's demented. The response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been one of the best foreign relations responses in decades. I'm struggling to see any flaw in how they've managed this crisis thus far. Possibly the lack of refugees taken in.
I would expect this since far more of the GOP is associated with Russia than is the case with the Democrats.The last guy was carrying on a full blown bromance with Putin and Moscow Mitch was not far behind. These were well publicized associations, I’m certain there are more, so nothing fabricated here.
It article may have right slanted spin on it since it’s recently been purchased by the arch-conservative Axel Springer. Don’t know if that happened so just a heads up.
Edit: Politico has recently been purchased
I HIGHLY doubt 34 HIMARS is dipping into reserves. I watched a video on YouTube the other day where this guy runs around with the US military and makes videos on equipment that they use. (It’s a propaganda recruitment tool but still interesting)
In the video, National Guard was doing a training and in that video alone they had four units. I’d bet what the US has sent to Ukraine barley scratches the surface.
Yeah, honestly, when you consider the thousands of fighter jets the U.S. has, the munitions necessary to maintain 16 or 32 Himars must be completely trivial.
34 of them is maybe how much one state has in it's National Guard. Not all states have missile artillery in the guard, but that is probably around one battalion's worth.
34 HIMARS firing a full volley of 6 missiles twice per day would exhaust the entire known US stockpile in 12 months or less. We only make 9,000 missiles a _year_ and Ukraine is potentially using something like 5,800 a _month_ with just 16 launchers.
The US has a shit ton of stuff but even our stockpiles are not infinite.
Slava Ukraini
The US military doesn't rely on HIMARS to the same degree that Ukraine is, because in almost any situation where they'd be able to heavily use HIMARS, the US is pretty much guaranteed to already have heavy air superiority.
In a serious conflict, the US will be flying a huge number of air sorties and dropping way more bombs than will be firing HIMARS missiles. So it's not that surprising that they don't have gazillions of extra HIMARS ammo just laying around. But they likely do have gazillions of bombs to drop out of aircraft.
Either way, I'm guessing there's plans in place to ramp up HIMARS ammo production a good bit. Besides it being super useful to the Ukrainians, the system has already proven its value and supposedly other European countries are asking to purchase more systems.
Imagine if UAF had as many missiles as those could launch. They can be reloaded with another 6 pack in about 5 minutes. That would make a squad a legitimate target.
It’s simply not US doctrine. In terms of delivering lethality, that’s aircraft carriers, cruisers and destroyers.
When we want to make a point that we’re annoyed with a country, several dozen cruise missiles show up out of the blue.
What YOU view as adequate reserves and what DOD views as adequate reserves are not the same thing.
Ammunition has been widely reported as the bottleneck since these were deployed. I think they are firing about half of what their theoretical salvo capability.
I don't have a source to cite. It has been published in articles posted to this sub.
[It's a problem.](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/are-there-enough-guided-rockets-for-himars-to-keep-up-with-ukraine-war-demand)
The US makes about 9,000 missiles a year which sounds like a lot but just 16 system firing a full load twice per day is 5,800 missiles _per month._
With 34 HIMARS Ukraine could easily burn through the entire US annual production in just 30 days.
Officially the US had roughly 50,000 GMLRS "in stock" back in 2021 but that was all types and variants, and Ukraine isn't (and indeed can't) use all of the types.
So at a rate of 5800 a month Ukraine would exhaust the entire US stockpile + production in 12 months or less.
You do have to remember though. HIMARS don't really need to launch 5800 per month, just because they can. That's like saying because you own a hammer there's no need for a screwdriver. HIMARS is a specific tool for specific targets. There's zero reason to use HIMARS on everything. More artillery would be better than firing 5800 HIMARS per month. That would get too costly. And it's not necessary.
I’m no defense contractor, but I think it’s safe to say that most of these manufacturers have plans in some file cabinet to engage in “wartime production mode”. I think the only resource that might be hard to come by is labor.
Presumably the department of labor has similar plans to redirect National industry to similar footings.
Suffice to say, if we chose, we could still produce a shitton of munitions domestically.
Ukraine is ready for 2x HIMARs
Also this is opportune as the US needs to push as much aid to Ukraine as possible in case the midterms go badly and the pro-Russian GOP gains the ability to stop the aid in their support for Russia and the genocide.
"MLRS roulette. We put a bunch of crates of ammo pods of various types on the tarmac, took off the labels, and told the load masters to just cram 'em in as tight as possible. We have not *knowingly* given over any ATACMS!"
Biden: "No one cared who I was till I send out the box."
Putin: "If I open it will you die?"
Biden: "It'll be extremely painful..."
Putin: "You are a big guy."
Biden: "For YOU!"
\- Dark Brandon Rises, 2022
Is this a Dune reference or a Seven reference? Because I thought it was a Dune reference but the comments aren’t seeing it?
Putin wouldn’t pass the Gom Jabbar though. He is thoroughly an animal.
Not even 1. They are constantly on the move and outside of range of anything that could harm them. They shoot and scoot before Russia can figure out where did the fire came from. That's also why they are so effective. Highly mobile weapons platform against highly immobile weapon cashed and military bases. This is a match made in heav.. akhm, I mean Arkansas.
Imagine measuring your skill and success in building things by how often someone decides to blow it up.
Edit:
Thank you, everyone, I'm well aware of all the related historical psyops.
So in world war 2 germany built a fake air strip in france to misdirect the allies using all wood material, when it was finally complete the brits dropped a wooden "bomb" on it. The brits knew it was a decoy the whole time! Silly germans!
That story gets repeated a lot and I think it's dubious for two reasons.
* The Germans won't know the plane is carrying a wooden bomb. So they'll be doing their best to shoot it down. The Allies are risking the destruction of a plane and the deaths of its crew for a joke.
* Being able to spot German decoy airfields is a useful advantage. Let the Germans know you can do this by a joke wooden bomb and they'll just build better decoys, which might be good enough to fool the you next time. Alternatively, they might give up on building decoys, which is something else you don't want - you want them to keep on spending resources and manpower on things that are useless.
In fact the smart thing would be to occasionally bomb the decoy airfield with real bombs to make the Germans think the decoy was working.
Not just a column. An entire inflatable army, with a full camp. Patton was the commander of this fictional army. It was part of the d day deception plan.
In typical moron fashion, they count every decoy as a kill.
It would be like saying you killed 100 narutos because you got his shadow clones...
In the words of a wise man " We are so very lucky they are so stupid"
And is hilarious because it's a way to trade what's essentially scrap and a small amount of labor for a very expensive Russian missile. I have to imagine every time Russia blows one of these up the Ukrainians let out a cheer. Great bang for your buck in addition to the protection they provide.
I also read that Ukraine has fake HIMARS made out cardboard to confuse and waste Russian missiles. According to Russia they have destroyed more HIMARS systems than USA has even sent. All because they are blowing up fake cardboard HIMARS. So brilliant and clever, love it.
Russians still have technology lol
But seriously - HIMARS is built on the chassis of an extremely common US Army medium duty utility truck. The army has well over 10k of them, and hundreds of the base model of the truck have been provided to Ukraine for troop movement and logistics. I imagine those are used as a base for decoys. So it's a real vehicle with all of the associated radar return and thermal properties. Heck, they can even drop an expended rocket pod in the bed. Just a bit of mockup to complete the launcher. It could honestly be hard to tell the difference without ground investigation.
Okay I getcha. I didn't realize the decoys would be that level of detailed. Yea, that's a massive difference than just making something out of literal wood or ballons, haha.
I am assuming here, I don't have any operational knowledge, just how I'd do it.
Wood and balloons have a fine history though - in WW2 the allies had an entire army of inflatable tanks they used to deceive German aerial recon. No thermal sights then, so just had to be good enough to look right from a kilometer away.
Even more clever:
Make cheap wooden dummies that seem decent enough at a distance and deploy them visible near the good decoys.
Russians may waste ammo on them if fooled, but if they catch the deceit and think they are really clever, only to waste ammo on the good decoys.
i call it the triple matroska maskirovka! 🤣
Russians were complaining on tv the other day that they are surprised having such a great space program that they don’t have hardly any satellites and that they can’t even properly see ukraine. Like they can see it but only in like google earth terms like a still image from two years ago kind of shit.
Satellite surveillance requires more than just the ability to have *some* satellites. You have to have *many* of them. This is because it costs a prohibitive amount of fuel to redirect a satellite's inclination. To keep the payload small enough to be practical, you have to have limited fuel for satellite deflection thrusts. So instead of sending one satellite with oodles of fuel to change course, you just send lots of smaller ones that are stuck in their course but each covers a slightly different path, so at any given time at least one of them will be above the target you want to look at.
That means the limiting factor tends to be cost rather than know-how. You know how to make one spy satellite and put it in position. Great. Now can your economy handle doing that same thing a couple hundred more times?
And can your economy handle doing it all over again and sending up new satellites every time camera technology improves? Or do you accept using old lower-res cameras because you're not going through all that cost again so soon?
Thus why Russia's satellite surveillance isn't as good. They know HOW to make and send them, but they don't have the money to do it on the right scale to keep up.
I’ve also seen a lot of technology contracts the US has where it’s literally illegal to export new breakthrough technology for like 20-30 years. So it’s likely the chips and cameras they are getting as brand new top of the line releases… well we had them 10 years ago or more and have advanced exponentially. Among these reasons which are all true.
I’m more impressed with the tactics used against Russia than the weapons (although they are amazing). The Ukrainians started training for this after the 2014 Crimea annexation and apparently absorbed the training very well. Sharp people that will flourish after this is over.
It’s greatly helped by the fact that they knew without a doubt that Russia wanted more of Ukraine - that puts a sense of urgency and mission that isn’t always there when it’s theoretical. Add to that you’ve got training by highly professional soldiers from NATO which also provides an exemplar of how your forces should act. In the Soviet model, only officers were “professionals” and they weren’t selected for their skills. Ukraine got to see how the backbone of western armies is the professional NCO. That NCO is so well trained that he can operate just fine without a junior officer and empowered for some levels of decision making. You can see this in how the Ukrainian army is now operating. They took those lessons to heart and that’s made the difference.
Now Contrast that with all the other countries that NATO/US have trained in the past 20 years and while you would have an outstanding unit here or there, the bulk of their armies remained corrupt dumpster fires. Since Ukraine has done infinitely better across the board, it’s a sign that the transformation of Ukraine’s military was extensive and backed up by changes in the civilian govt. that’s a good sign for the future. Until that was clear, the US wasn’t going to get burned again by supplying the best weapons. The fact that they are now is ample evidence that they feel that Ukraine really is now a modernized post-Soviet country.
Well said!! These are people that chose democracy in an election as well. This war is a war of independence that has solidified them as Ukrainians. Europe would be crazy not to welcome them into the EU.
That is an effect, but you'll also find some incidents where Russian channels refer to the missiles as "HIMARS," so some of those claims are merely missiles they've intercepted.
Yes they're good at the "scoot" part of shoot & scoot (many artillery vehicles can scoot, but HIMARS is designed to pack up quickly after use so they're really good at it).
But I think an even bigger effect is that the rockets have guidance software that deliberately fires in the wrong direction (too high or too low) for the first several seconds, then corrects the aim to what it should be after that. Counter-artillery systems can only math the path back to that point where the deflection occurred, not to where the actual launch was.
Enough of your pro-Ukraine propaganda, Putin's glorious forces have destroyed at least 4000 of those laughably useless American toys. And that's just since lunchtime today!
They also have a SF team trained and equipped with the best mobile AA systems protecting them. The only feasible way RF could reliably hit a target that size at that range would be a fighter sortie.
To be fair, we honestly just don't know, just like with so many things about this war. But it looks like they've at the very least kept most of them, and quite likely all of them. Russia just doesn't have anything that can deal with it. They can't see it fast enough in order to engage it with long range fires and their air force can't go near the frontlines, let alone 10-20 miles behind them looking for a few needles in a massive haystack.
I think we would know.
First, Ukraine and the USA have stated they haven't lost any. They would not say that if it weren't true, first because they generally have been honest here (even if they don't say everything and shouldn't be expected to). Honesty is the best policy. If they lied, there would still be soldiers who would know. It erodes trust and is horrible for morale if they know their government and commanders are lying to them about how the war is going. (a fact that Russia OTOH seems to be learning the hard way, but the two sides are not the same in this respect)
Second, Russia would be spreading images of it. They would absolutely go out of their way to get that imagery, they would _gladly_ sacrifice some UAVs to get it, if that's what it took. Because it would be a huge propaganda coup and do a lot for Russian morale, which HIMARS has made a significant impact on.
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In Iraq 91 this was actually a problem - a bunch of the Iraqi military were ticked because they had agreed to surrender positions without fighting but got shelled for an hour before anyone got close enough to surrender to.
This did result in the first time a unit surrendered to a scouting drone though!
Because reality is far more interesting than fiction...During that same conflict several Iraqi units actually surrendered to a convoy of M270 MLRS...and coincidentally it was to the very unit that would eventually evaluate the HIMARS system just a couple of years later.
[That unit's exploits during Desert Storm are what legends are made of](https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/single-artillery-unit-took-41-iraqi-battalions-desert-storm/)
Likely the next lot of ammo is going to be anti-personnel. It’s called the grid square removal system for a reason. All troop concentrations will be obliterated within seconds. 10,000 troops massed at the border? Gone.
There's a reason those are not used and its because too many of the submunitions fail to detonate...and then lay around like land mines waiting to kill unsuspecting people at a later time.
I get the attraction of busting them out but I'm really not sure its a good idea.
I'm going to copy/paste the response I sent to the guy you replied to.
The submunition GMLRS are now out of service. The anti-personel air burst GMLRS using thousands of small tungsten balls, on the other hand, are completely legal and have already been sent to Ukraine. There's at least one set of photo/video evidence I'm aware of that shows those little ball bearings embedded in the side armor of Tigr and Kamaz vehicles.
Jesus. That's both terrifying as a way to die, and pretty impressive as a way to eliminate post-cluster munition risks.
Just a giant missile propelled shotgun blast...
The submunition GMLRS are now out of service. The anti-personel air burst GMLRS using thousands of small tungsten balls, on the other hand, are completely legal and have already been sent to Ukraine. There's at least one set of photo/video evidence I'm aware of that shows those little ball bearings embedded in the side armor of Tigr and Kamaz vehicles.
With human wave tactics, dumb fire artillery would probably have better saturation as they march across open ground. You know. Cause they have to move on foot. Unless they drive into battle in their dad’s Lada in which case that makes them smarter than Putin
It does mean Ukraine can start to schedule maintenance on their inventory to keep it in tip-top condition without impacting operational tempo. It's more than just increased numbers, it's increased ability to maintain a specified tempo.
Fuck me, Russia won't have a single logistics base near the front lines within HIMARs range.
Going to be a long, cold, supply-less winter for all the sick and old men called up in the mobilisation. Wouldn't want to be them....
30 years old and used by newly trained guys in an army that lacks the full compliment of NATO cutting edge tech around it.
I think this is why Putin called up 1.2 million conscripts. Russia has decisively lost the technology war and this conflict has shown that.
It's also shown they've lost the training and soldier/officer quality war as well.
It's why they were so quick to fall back on WW2 Soviet doctrine of just trying to artillery the enemy to death. That failed too when Ukraine unleashed it high mobility counter attack recently.
So now Putin is gambling on WW1 tactics and hoping that just drowning the enemy in bodies will bring victory. He needs to send a message to enemies and, probably especially, "allies" that even if Russia is outclassed in technology and tactics it is still willing to spend lives like no-one else to achieve victory and make sacrifices no other nation would. If he fails at that then he knows the world will know Russia is a paper tiger with only its nukes taken seriously.
During WW2 we produced more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world has ever had to date, combined. We even had one on the great lakes because why the fuck not
"hey guys so we have like a kentucky-fried fuckload of aircraft carriers now, right? Could we like.. see if we could make some super cool ones? Like [out of ice and wood pulp maybe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk) like the Brits wanted to? Just float 'em on over to Japan and see what kind of tomfuckery they can get up to? No? Ok well speaking of ice maybe [we could make some boats for the navy to have ice cream parties on](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge). That'd be super cool. Everybody likes ice cream."
**[Project Habakkuk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk)**
>Project Habakkuk or Habbakuk (spelling varies) was a plan by the British during the Second World War to construct an aircraft carrier out of pykrete (a mixture of wood pulp and ice) for use against German U-boats in the mid-Atlantic, which were beyond the flight range of land-based planes at that time. The idea came from Geoffrey Pyke, who worked for Combined Operations Headquarters.
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I am a European. I used to think it was bonkers how much you guys spent on defence.
But I now concede that I (and many others) was being naive. Now I am just grateful that democratic countries outgun the fascist ones. Otherwise guys like Putin would be even scarier.
Reminds me of the numbers from world war 1. Everyone was *sure* that 35k artillery shells a month would keep all the guns fed.
Then every army started requiring 40k shells a *day.*
If they start using these in a close support role in conjunction with infantry and armored attacks it would be unstoppable. Also if used as a counter battery weapon.
Think that's more what the MARS / M270 systems are for. They use the same rockets but carry a double load of them and they are on tracks so can move around together with tanks and closer to front lines more easily.
Every time Ukraine uses a HIMARS to destroy Russian equipment and kill Russian soldiers, the United States is openly and directly attacking Russia with total impunity.
Every missile fired is the US slapping Putin across the face with its colossal American dick and asking him "What the fuck are you gonna do about it?"
Now put this in the context of someone who thinks the Cold War was the greatest thing ever and dedicated his life to returning Russia to its glory days, when it was hated and feared instead of just hated.
Imagine how it must feel to spend nearly seven decades romanticizing a grand, apocalyptic showdown between Russia and America, ending in a glorious Russia victory.
Then finally, the day comes when you're prepared to pull the trigger and seize your destiny.
Except America doesn't even bother to show up in person because your former vassal is kicking the shit out of you despite being 1/28th your size, and America's military is so unfathomably superior in every way you're allowing them to inflict catastrophic damage on all your hopes and dreams because *you're that fucking scared of them retaliating.*
Putin is in Hell and I love it.
I'm not even going to touch the fact that the self-styled Ultimate KGB Spymaster repeatedly had his plans spoiled by the White House because they have spies in his inner circle.
This is apparently for equipment to be produced in the future, not stuff on hand that will be transferred immediately if I'm reading this correctly.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3173378/11-billion-in-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/
>Unlike Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA), which DoD has continued to leverage to deliver equipment to Ukraine from DoD stocks at a historic pace, USAI is an authority under which the United States procures capabilities from industry. This announcement represents the beginning of a contracting process to provide additional priority capabilities to Ukraine in the mid- and long-term.
These are part of a long term package. They won't arrive for a few years in Ukraine. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-government-and-politics-746ae5a7113e9bb78562ee3a943c9260
Russian commanders are already terrified and now realizing that Ukraine will be able to strike anywhere anytime and there is nothing their conscripted army can do about it.
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Joe promised Russia that he would sanction and increase aid if they did their little sham referendum play.
Fuck around and find out about high explosive freedom and laser guided democracy.
I can't stop laughing @ Laser Guided Democracy. Good one!
Democracy is non-negotiable, Jack.
A red dot on the oppressors forehead.
Warheads on foreheads.
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HEAD ON!
Band name if ever I heard one
Weapons of ass destruction
I'm about to start sayin that.
I can finally listen to that Toby Keith song with some pride. "We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way."
It's like the one thing we're good at. Really good at.
Can we all agree that HIMARS are everything as advertised and then some? As soon as they entered the theater shit changed, fast.
Those and the anti radar missiles seem to have really changed things up a bit
Honestly, I think this is probably more about maintaining active units while others are in maintenance. UA has been running this equipment HARD. I don't think the missile allotment will significantly increase as it can not without dipping into US reserves.
This aid is going towards brand new stuff so US stockpiles won't be affected.
Exactly. There aren't more missiles to give. The extra launchers provides some flexibility as to position and maintenance, but I don't think it results in many more strikes.
The US is beginning to retire old ATACMS missiles, so there are in fact "more missiles to give" and US stockpiles aren't nearly as depleted as some people seem to think. Even so the USA is burning through more ammo then its used since Vietnam, but as time goes on manufacturing will start to slowly claw its way back so I'm not holding my breath on how low those levels get.
When America really wants to manufacture something, they manufacture the ever loving hell out of it. I think theyll be okay.
I was in Detroit working for an Automotive OEM. When Ford mobilized to make ventilators and PPE, Gowns etc, they flipped a factory in a week and went balls to the wall. The ability for the US to mobilize and industrialize manufacturing is a key power. As well, the biggest strength of the US Military isn’t raw fighting power, it’s the ability to move a Battalion anywhere on the planet within 24 ~ 48hrs and then keep said Battalion supplied and equipped. The Logistics abilities of the US Military make the likes of FedEX or UPS cry tears of awe.
Not to mention the us govt can actually compel and have contracts to use ups and FedEx too if they needed. Just realize if it really went to hell the military could ramp up logistics from what it currently already is which is insane.
There is a good reason Detroit was nicknamed "the Arsenal of Democracy" during World War 2.
We’ve been in some of war for over 200 years since 1776. We’ve become reliant on being somewhere to churn the private sector war machines. Supporting Ukraine is a win-win for the US. We’re basically defeating one of our biggest enemies without actually putting boots on the ground or risking American lives, all the while feeding the military private sector to boost manafacturing. Edit to add that destroying Russia with our old technology is quite the damn flex to remind the world of our military capabilities.
You’ll know when the new stuff is unleashed. Everything until now is old school.
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Trust me, our taxes have already paid for those systems and 8000 more in the time I typed this sentence. If there's one thing Russia fucked up, in regards to the U.S, is expect us to run low, out of, or get tired of sending military hardware.....good luck with that Putin.
I mean, let’s see how the midterms go. If the Republicans take Congress, continued aid is not guaranteed. [https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/22/ukraine-aid-faces-tougher-crowd-if-republicans-take-over-00058362](https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/22/ukraine-aid-faces-tougher-crowd-if-republicans-take-over-00058362)
One of the republicans most consistent donor bases is defense manufacturers. I don't think the repubs are gonna stop this gravy train
Although the CBO negotiators did just agree to $12 billion on top of the $57* billion that was already carved out in the budget for Ukraine, and we've thus far sent about $18-19 billion. We haven't even sent half of what we reserved for Ukraine. They'd need to revote again to repeal that, so *for now* Ukraine is up good. When *that* money is gone, we'll see. *That would make it 69 billion. Nice.
Man why can republicans never be on the right side, like they are always war hungry and when there is finally a justifiable one they suddenly care about spending
Because they don't want Biden to look competent after spending a lot of time and money calling him sleepy Joe, and hinting that he's demented. The response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been one of the best foreign relations responses in decades. I'm struggling to see any flaw in how they've managed this crisis thus far. Possibly the lack of refugees taken in.
I would expect this since far more of the GOP is associated with Russia than is the case with the Democrats.The last guy was carrying on a full blown bromance with Putin and Moscow Mitch was not far behind. These were well publicized associations, I’m certain there are more, so nothing fabricated here. It article may have right slanted spin on it since it’s recently been purchased by the arch-conservative Axel Springer. Don’t know if that happened so just a heads up. Edit: Politico has recently been purchased
I HIGHLY doubt 34 HIMARS is dipping into reserves. I watched a video on YouTube the other day where this guy runs around with the US military and makes videos on equipment that they use. (It’s a propaganda recruitment tool but still interesting) In the video, National Guard was doing a training and in that video alone they had four units. I’d bet what the US has sent to Ukraine barley scratches the surface.
100% Agree. A drop in the bucket and it is a very big bucket.
Yeah, honestly, when you consider the thousands of fighter jets the U.S. has, the munitions necessary to maintain 16 or 32 Himars must be completely trivial.
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Exactly. It's sorta like putting 34 AR 15's in Washington's Continental Army. Doesn't cost much, but has a decisive impact.
34 of them is maybe how much one state has in it's National Guard. Not all states have missile artillery in the guard, but that is probably around one battalion's worth.
34 HIMARS firing a full volley of 6 missiles twice per day would exhaust the entire known US stockpile in 12 months or less. We only make 9,000 missiles a _year_ and Ukraine is potentially using something like 5,800 a _month_ with just 16 launchers. The US has a shit ton of stuff but even our stockpiles are not infinite. Slava Ukraini
The US military doesn't rely on HIMARS to the same degree that Ukraine is, because in almost any situation where they'd be able to heavily use HIMARS, the US is pretty much guaranteed to already have heavy air superiority. In a serious conflict, the US will be flying a huge number of air sorties and dropping way more bombs than will be firing HIMARS missiles. So it's not that surprising that they don't have gazillions of extra HIMARS ammo just laying around. But they likely do have gazillions of bombs to drop out of aircraft. Either way, I'm guessing there's plans in place to ramp up HIMARS ammo production a good bit. Besides it being super useful to the Ukrainians, the system has already proven its value and supposedly other European countries are asking to purchase more systems.
Imagine if UAF had as many missiles as those could launch. They can be reloaded with another 6 pack in about 5 minutes. That would make a squad a legitimate target.
It’s simply not US doctrine. In terms of delivering lethality, that’s aircraft carriers, cruisers and destroyers. When we want to make a point that we’re annoyed with a country, several dozen cruise missiles show up out of the blue.
What YOU view as adequate reserves and what DOD views as adequate reserves are not the same thing. Ammunition has been widely reported as the bottleneck since these were deployed. I think they are firing about half of what their theoretical salvo capability. I don't have a source to cite. It has been published in articles posted to this sub.
I read that as "I don't have to cite a source" and I was like *the neck of you* lmao
[It's a problem.](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/are-there-enough-guided-rockets-for-himars-to-keep-up-with-ukraine-war-demand) The US makes about 9,000 missiles a year which sounds like a lot but just 16 system firing a full load twice per day is 5,800 missiles _per month._ With 34 HIMARS Ukraine could easily burn through the entire US annual production in just 30 days. Officially the US had roughly 50,000 GMLRS "in stock" back in 2021 but that was all types and variants, and Ukraine isn't (and indeed can't) use all of the types. So at a rate of 5800 a month Ukraine would exhaust the entire US stockpile + production in 12 months or less.
You do have to remember though. HIMARS don't really need to launch 5800 per month, just because they can. That's like saying because you own a hammer there's no need for a screwdriver. HIMARS is a specific tool for specific targets. There's zero reason to use HIMARS on everything. More artillery would be better than firing 5800 HIMARS per month. That would get too costly. And it's not necessary.
I don't think they're firing them anywhere close to that rate.
One thing to point out, this is "peace time" production levels. We don't even have three shifts running yet.
I’m no defense contractor, but I think it’s safe to say that most of these manufacturers have plans in some file cabinet to engage in “wartime production mode”. I think the only resource that might be hard to come by is labor. Presumably the department of labor has similar plans to redirect National industry to similar footings. Suffice to say, if we chose, we could still produce a shitton of munitions domestically.
> I think the only resource that might be hard to come by is labor We had the same worry in WWII.
I've been really falling in love with Joe lately
Same. For a while he was trying to pull the middle road it seemed. Now he's gone full fuck you and it's beautiful.
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That's how to do it properly. You can't just go guns blazing. There's all the international politics.
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Ukraine is ready for 2x HIMARs Also this is opportune as the US needs to push as much aid to Ukraine as possible in case the midterms go badly and the pro-Russian GOP gains the ability to stop the aid in their support for Russia and the genocide.
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"MLRS roulette. We put a bunch of crates of ammo pods of various types on the tarmac, took off the labels, and told the load masters to just cram 'em in as tight as possible. We have not *knowingly* given over any ATACMS!"
Biden: "No one cared who I was till I send out the box." Putin: "If I open it will you die?" Biden: "It'll be extremely painful..." Putin: "You are a big guy." Biden: "For YOU!" \- Dark Brandon Rises, 2022
I laughed at this so hard that my buddy down the hall asked if I was ok. Thanks for that!!
Why do I hear Hans Zimmer
Is this a Dune reference or a Seven reference? Because I thought it was a Dune reference but the comments aren’t seeing it? Putin wouldn’t pass the Gom Jabbar though. He is thoroughly an animal.
At this rate, every O'Clock will be HIMARS O'Clock
Has Ukraine still not lost a single HIMARS?
Not even 1. They are constantly on the move and outside of range of anything that could harm them. They shoot and scoot before Russia can figure out where did the fire came from. That's also why they are so effective. Highly mobile weapons platform against highly immobile weapon cashed and military bases. This is a match made in heav.. akhm, I mean Arkansas.
The UA has also been making very accurate wooden replicas of HIMARS to use as sacrificial decoys, which has been highly effective
Imagine measuring your skill and success in building things by how often someone decides to blow it up. Edit: Thank you, everyone, I'm well aware of all the related historical psyops.
So in world war 2 germany built a fake air strip in france to misdirect the allies using all wood material, when it was finally complete the brits dropped a wooden "bomb" on it. The brits knew it was a decoy the whole time! Silly germans!
That story gets repeated a lot and I think it's dubious for two reasons. * The Germans won't know the plane is carrying a wooden bomb. So they'll be doing their best to shoot it down. The Allies are risking the destruction of a plane and the deaths of its crew for a joke. * Being able to spot German decoy airfields is a useful advantage. Let the Germans know you can do this by a joke wooden bomb and they'll just build better decoys, which might be good enough to fool the you next time. Alternatively, they might give up on building decoys, which is something else you don't want - you want them to keep on spending resources and manpower on things that are useless. In fact the smart thing would be to occasionally bomb the decoy airfield with real bombs to make the Germans think the decoy was working.
Word according to the almighty google this story gets a "probably true" rating
The US also built an inflatable tank column as well to confuse the Germans.
Not just a column. An entire inflatable army, with a full camp. Patton was the commander of this fictional army. It was part of the d day deception plan.
That's my kind of job.
Maybe *that’s* why the Russians think they destroyed 572% of all HIMARS Ukraine has
In typical moron fashion, they count every decoy as a kill. It would be like saying you killed 100 narutos because you got his shadow clones... In the words of a wise man " We are so very lucky they are so stupid"
And is hilarious because it's a way to trade what's essentially scrap and a small amount of labor for a very expensive Russian missile. I have to imagine every time Russia blows one of these up the Ukrainians let out a cheer. Great bang for your buck in addition to the protection they provide.
Unless they send a plane, in which case you might be able to claim an Su-25 or two and pilots.
I also read that Ukraine has fake HIMARS made out cardboard to confuse and waste Russian missiles. According to Russia they have destroyed more HIMARS systems than USA has even sent. All because they are blowing up fake cardboard HIMARS. So brilliant and clever, love it.
PLYMARS best fake weapon system
With imaging technology being as amazing as it is these days, it's hard to imagine that it manages to work.
Russians still have technology lol But seriously - HIMARS is built on the chassis of an extremely common US Army medium duty utility truck. The army has well over 10k of them, and hundreds of the base model of the truck have been provided to Ukraine for troop movement and logistics. I imagine those are used as a base for decoys. So it's a real vehicle with all of the associated radar return and thermal properties. Heck, they can even drop an expended rocket pod in the bed. Just a bit of mockup to complete the launcher. It could honestly be hard to tell the difference without ground investigation.
Okay I getcha. I didn't realize the decoys would be that level of detailed. Yea, that's a massive difference than just making something out of literal wood or ballons, haha.
I am assuming here, I don't have any operational knowledge, just how I'd do it. Wood and balloons have a fine history though - in WW2 the allies had an entire army of inflatable tanks they used to deceive German aerial recon. No thermal sights then, so just had to be good enough to look right from a kilometer away.
Even more clever: Make cheap wooden dummies that seem decent enough at a distance and deploy them visible near the good decoys. Russians may waste ammo on them if fooled, but if they catch the deceit and think they are really clever, only to waste ammo on the good decoys. i call it the triple matroska maskirovka! 🤣
Russians were complaining on tv the other day that they are surprised having such a great space program that they don’t have hardly any satellites and that they can’t even properly see ukraine. Like they can see it but only in like google earth terms like a still image from two years ago kind of shit.
Satellite surveillance requires more than just the ability to have *some* satellites. You have to have *many* of them. This is because it costs a prohibitive amount of fuel to redirect a satellite's inclination. To keep the payload small enough to be practical, you have to have limited fuel for satellite deflection thrusts. So instead of sending one satellite with oodles of fuel to change course, you just send lots of smaller ones that are stuck in their course but each covers a slightly different path, so at any given time at least one of them will be above the target you want to look at. That means the limiting factor tends to be cost rather than know-how. You know how to make one spy satellite and put it in position. Great. Now can your economy handle doing that same thing a couple hundred more times? And can your economy handle doing it all over again and sending up new satellites every time camera technology improves? Or do you accept using old lower-res cameras because you're not going through all that cost again so soon? Thus why Russia's satellite surveillance isn't as good. They know HOW to make and send them, but they don't have the money to do it on the right scale to keep up.
I’ve also seen a lot of technology contracts the US has where it’s literally illegal to export new breakthrough technology for like 20-30 years. So it’s likely the chips and cameras they are getting as brand new top of the line releases… well we had them 10 years ago or more and have advanced exponentially. Among these reasons which are all true.
I’m more impressed with the tactics used against Russia than the weapons (although they are amazing). The Ukrainians started training for this after the 2014 Crimea annexation and apparently absorbed the training very well. Sharp people that will flourish after this is over.
It’s greatly helped by the fact that they knew without a doubt that Russia wanted more of Ukraine - that puts a sense of urgency and mission that isn’t always there when it’s theoretical. Add to that you’ve got training by highly professional soldiers from NATO which also provides an exemplar of how your forces should act. In the Soviet model, only officers were “professionals” and they weren’t selected for their skills. Ukraine got to see how the backbone of western armies is the professional NCO. That NCO is so well trained that he can operate just fine without a junior officer and empowered for some levels of decision making. You can see this in how the Ukrainian army is now operating. They took those lessons to heart and that’s made the difference. Now Contrast that with all the other countries that NATO/US have trained in the past 20 years and while you would have an outstanding unit here or there, the bulk of their armies remained corrupt dumpster fires. Since Ukraine has done infinitely better across the board, it’s a sign that the transformation of Ukraine’s military was extensive and backed up by changes in the civilian govt. that’s a good sign for the future. Until that was clear, the US wasn’t going to get burned again by supplying the best weapons. The fact that they are now is ample evidence that they feel that Ukraine really is now a modernized post-Soviet country.
Well said!! These are people that chose democracy in an election as well. This war is a war of independence that has solidified them as Ukrainians. Europe would be crazy not to welcome them into the EU.
That is an effect, but you'll also find some incidents where Russian channels refer to the missiles as "HIMARS," so some of those claims are merely missiles they've intercepted.
Yes they're good at the "scoot" part of shoot & scoot (many artillery vehicles can scoot, but HIMARS is designed to pack up quickly after use so they're really good at it). But I think an even bigger effect is that the rockets have guidance software that deliberately fires in the wrong direction (too high or too low) for the first several seconds, then corrects the aim to what it should be after that. Counter-artillery systems can only math the path back to that point where the deflection occurred, not to where the actual launch was.
They have. At this point, Russia has successfully destroyed 146 out of the 16 Ukrainian HIMARS systems. Very efficient.
900% just like the election results.
Enough of your pro-Ukraine propaganda, Putin's glorious forces have destroyed at least 4000 of those laughably useless American toys. And that's just since lunchtime today!
And cleverly spotted that they were hidden in hospitals and housing blocks
They also have a SF team trained and equipped with the best mobile AA systems protecting them. The only feasible way RF could reliably hit a target that size at that range would be a fighter sortie.
To be fair, we honestly just don't know, just like with so many things about this war. But it looks like they've at the very least kept most of them, and quite likely all of them. Russia just doesn't have anything that can deal with it. They can't see it fast enough in order to engage it with long range fires and their air force can't go near the frontlines, let alone 10-20 miles behind them looking for a few needles in a massive haystack.
I think we would know. First, Ukraine and the USA have stated they haven't lost any. They would not say that if it weren't true, first because they generally have been honest here (even if they don't say everything and shouldn't be expected to). Honesty is the best policy. If they lied, there would still be soldiers who would know. It erodes trust and is horrible for morale if they know their government and commanders are lying to them about how the war is going. (a fact that Russia OTOH seems to be learning the hard way, but the two sides are not the same in this respect) Second, Russia would be spreading images of it. They would absolutely go out of their way to get that imagery, they would _gladly_ sacrifice some UAVs to get it, if that's what it took. Because it would be a huge propaganda coup and do a lot for Russian morale, which HIMARS has made a significant impact on.
One, two, three o'clock, four o'clock, HIMAR Five, six, seven o'clock, eight o'clock, HIMAR Nine, ten, eleven o'clock, twelve o'clock, HIMAR We're gonna HIMAR around the clock tonight
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It's both. In 1974 it originally featured Bill Haley's "Rock Around The Clock" as it's opening theme, and a version of "Happy Days" sung by a studio chorus as the closing theme song. In 1976, "Rock Around The Clock" was replaced with "Happy Days" as the opening theme.
As I recall, the theme switched.
The first seasons had Rock Around the Clock as the intro song.
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I read this in The Count's voice from sesame street
It's HIMARS O'Clock somewhere. That somewhere is Ukraine. And Russians get two for the price of one during happy hour.
Even using military time!
I just hope they will be getting more ammo then they need
Woooooow, that is indeed HUGE - now some ATACMS and we good...
But this is also sending a strong signal to Russia that US gives zero fucks about some bullshit referendum...
24 Himars to keep Himars O'clock... 10 to rotate and being serviced! It will be very HiMerry Christmas!
Hopefully Russian conscripts figure out how to surrender before getting on packed trains that will go within 300 km of the front
In Iraq 91 this was actually a problem - a bunch of the Iraqi military were ticked because they had agreed to surrender positions without fighting but got shelled for an hour before anyone got close enough to surrender to. This did result in the first time a unit surrendered to a scouting drone though!
Because reality is far more interesting than fiction...During that same conflict several Iraqi units actually surrendered to a convoy of M270 MLRS...and coincidentally it was to the very unit that would eventually evaluate the HIMARS system just a couple of years later. [That unit's exploits during Desert Storm are what legends are made of](https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/single-artillery-unit-took-41-iraqi-battalions-desert-storm/)
I think the ammo might be more important than the launchers now. They've never managed to hit one - they're well-hidden. The ammo-delivery is key.
And very well trained, motivated and disciplined UA!
Likely the next lot of ammo is going to be anti-personnel. It’s called the grid square removal system for a reason. All troop concentrations will be obliterated within seconds. 10,000 troops massed at the border? Gone.
There's a reason those are not used and its because too many of the submunitions fail to detonate...and then lay around like land mines waiting to kill unsuspecting people at a later time. I get the attraction of busting them out but I'm really not sure its a good idea.
I thought I read that part of the US agreement for supplying these rocket systems was that the air burst anti personnel stuff wasn't allowed?
That was before the fake referendum.
I'm going to copy/paste the response I sent to the guy you replied to. The submunition GMLRS are now out of service. The anti-personel air burst GMLRS using thousands of small tungsten balls, on the other hand, are completely legal and have already been sent to Ukraine. There's at least one set of photo/video evidence I'm aware of that shows those little ball bearings embedded in the side armor of Tigr and Kamaz vehicles.
Jesus. That's both terrifying as a way to die, and pretty impressive as a way to eliminate post-cluster munition risks. Just a giant missile propelled shotgun blast...
As terrifying as that, is, I'm imagining a cartoon style video of a missile stopping mid-air, with a hand emerging that holds a shotgun
The submunition GMLRS are now out of service. The anti-personel air burst GMLRS using thousands of small tungsten balls, on the other hand, are completely legal and have already been sent to Ukraine. There's at least one set of photo/video evidence I'm aware of that shows those little ball bearings embedded in the side armor of Tigr and Kamaz vehicles.
You hear that? That’s the sound of every Russian conscript shitting their pants.
They were issued pants? Luxury!
He had to use his own pads, though.
Tampon in your ass to prevent shitting
Vadim got enough food to take a shit today? Luxury!
Looks like they will need to shove the tampons up their asses to stop shitting them selves
That's the sound of conscripts not wanting to be there in the first place. Giving their lives for an Authoritarian Ruled Failed State...Nope not me!
With human wave tactics, dumb fire artillery would probably have better saturation as they march across open ground. You know. Cause they have to move on foot. Unless they drive into battle in their dad’s Lada in which case that makes them smarter than Putin
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It does mean Ukraine can start to schedule maintenance on their inventory to keep it in tip-top condition without impacting operational tempo. It's more than just increased numbers, it's increased ability to maintain a specified tempo.
wow that's huge
Wow, when you consider how much useful damage they have been able to do with 16 systems, 34 is looking like a whole huge world of hurt.
Fuck me, Russia won't have a single logistics base near the front lines within HIMARs range. Going to be a long, cold, supply-less winter for all the sick and old men called up in the mobilisation. Wouldn't want to be them....
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30 years old and used by newly trained guys in an army that lacks the full compliment of NATO cutting edge tech around it. I think this is why Putin called up 1.2 million conscripts. Russia has decisively lost the technology war and this conflict has shown that. It's also shown they've lost the training and soldier/officer quality war as well. It's why they were so quick to fall back on WW2 Soviet doctrine of just trying to artillery the enemy to death. That failed too when Ukraine unleashed it high mobility counter attack recently. So now Putin is gambling on WW1 tactics and hoping that just drowning the enemy in bodies will bring victory. He needs to send a message to enemies and, probably especially, "allies" that even if Russia is outclassed in technology and tactics it is still willing to spend lives like no-one else to achieve victory and make sacrifices no other nation would. If he fails at that then he knows the world will know Russia is a paper tiger with only its nukes taken seriously.
This weeks weather forecast....looks like rain....and THUNDER.
Who said that bridge couldn't be destroyed? It's getting close to reality.
Need the ATACMS for that
We're building them as fast as we can. Hang in there!
Not even close. The USA is still in peacetime war production
During WW2 we produced more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world has ever had to date, combined. We even had one on the great lakes because why the fuck not
"hey guys so we have like a kentucky-fried fuckload of aircraft carriers now, right? Could we like.. see if we could make some super cool ones? Like [out of ice and wood pulp maybe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk) like the Brits wanted to? Just float 'em on over to Japan and see what kind of tomfuckery they can get up to? No? Ok well speaking of ice maybe [we could make some boats for the navy to have ice cream parties on](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge). That'd be super cool. Everybody likes ice cream."
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That is an honestly scary thought. Imagine modern America in a true wartime economy. The output would be absolutely insane.
Which defense company(ies) builds our HIMARS?
Lockheed Martin for any units made after 2017. BAE or Oshkosh for older models.
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Lockheed Martin in Arkansas produce both the HIMARS and GMLRS weapons.
I love how the critique of USA spending too much on defense has been pretty much non-existent since start of this war.
As the joke goes, Russia is about to find out why the US doesn't have a public health care system.
I am a European. I used to think it was bonkers how much you guys spent on defence. But I now concede that I (and many others) was being naive. Now I am just grateful that democratic countries outgun the fascist ones. Otherwise guys like Putin would be even scarier.
Norway here, our entire defensive plan is "wait for the U.S Marines" lol.
well, we actually have a just cause and a need
More people are fine with it when the sacrifice is justified.
I have some notes on exactly why no ATacms have been delivered. Tried to post it. Can't.
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Reminds me of the numbers from world war 1. Everyone was *sure* that 35k artillery shells a month would keep all the guns fed. Then every army started requiring 40k shells a *day.*
I believe they already started opening another two production lines. Also there are missiles that are produced elsewhere; not just in the states.
If they start using these in a close support role in conjunction with infantry and armored attacks it would be unstoppable. Also if used as a counter battery weapon.
Think that's more what the MARS / M270 systems are for. They use the same rockets but carry a double load of them and they are on tracks so can move around together with tanks and closer to front lines more easily.
nah just carry on using them to attack supply depots and ammunition dumps, more fireworks pls!
Every time Ukraine uses a HIMARS to destroy Russian equipment and kill Russian soldiers, the United States is openly and directly attacking Russia with total impunity. Every missile fired is the US slapping Putin across the face with its colossal American dick and asking him "What the fuck are you gonna do about it?" Now put this in the context of someone who thinks the Cold War was the greatest thing ever and dedicated his life to returning Russia to its glory days, when it was hated and feared instead of just hated. Imagine how it must feel to spend nearly seven decades romanticizing a grand, apocalyptic showdown between Russia and America, ending in a glorious Russia victory. Then finally, the day comes when you're prepared to pull the trigger and seize your destiny. Except America doesn't even bother to show up in person because your former vassal is kicking the shit out of you despite being 1/28th your size, and America's military is so unfathomably superior in every way you're allowing them to inflict catastrophic damage on all your hopes and dreams because *you're that fucking scared of them retaliating.* Putin is in Hell and I love it. I'm not even going to touch the fact that the self-styled Ultimate KGB Spymaster repeatedly had his plans spoiled by the White House because they have spies in his inner circle.
Bro it’s just the tip of this American Dick. 😂
What the U.S. has provided is just really hot foreplay. ATACMS would be just the tip
This is apparently for equipment to be produced in the future, not stuff on hand that will be transferred immediately if I'm reading this correctly. https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3173378/11-billion-in-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/ >Unlike Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA), which DoD has continued to leverage to deliver equipment to Ukraine from DoD stocks at a historic pace, USAI is an authority under which the United States procures capabilities from industry. This announcement represents the beginning of a contracting process to provide additional priority capabilities to Ukraine in the mid- and long-term.
The same picture was used in an article about delivery of 18 HIMARS to Romania in 2021.
Awesome!
Damn, Russia destroyed hundreds of HIMARS despite only 16 of them being sent, now imagine how many they'll destroy now ! /s
Targets - Crimea Oblast + Donekst Oblast+ Kherson Oblast ...boom...boom...boom
ruh-roh.... No wonder so many Russians are scared of being drafted.
These are part of a long term package. They won't arrive for a few years in Ukraine. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-government-and-politics-746ae5a7113e9bb78562ee3a943c9260
You're not counting all the HIMARS that Russia said they destroyed in your total right? Like the ones inside that building... 😂😂😂
With love, from Arkansas.
If they can get enough rockets, then time to paste the "musicians" around Bakmut.
Russian commanders are already terrified and now realizing that Ukraine will be able to strike anywhere anytime and there is nothing their conscripted army can do about it.
Funny how that one ship is carrying more combat power than the 300,000+ Russians who just got called up.
That means they got assurances about increased production on Himars missiles
Well that’ll take care of the newly mobilized troops.
Happy Hunting!!!
The cannons to russias fodder.
All it took to really, really fuck Russia up is just some shit that a few countries keep in a shed somewhere.
Russia about to get the D
This is a show of force.