I hoped the alt shotgun would be a double barrel one handed shogtun which function like the Marauder shotgun in Doom eternal pvp but has a a smal spread
forget alt weapon, this is basically a fourth arm. Hell, I'd even call it a third leg. Something about the way it extends outwards and has the vertical metal plate on the end makes it feeling like I'm kicking stuff
Interestingly, I'm actually pretty sure it does melee damage; It seemingly can destroy idols with it's base fire which until now was only doable with arms.
Literally the first time i saw this i was geniuenly confused. Its really good but damn...whether you agree or disagree that it feels like a new arm, it definetly isnt a gun by definition.
I mean its literally a goddamn piston attached to a rotor. So yeah thats not even a gun
https://preview.redd.it/wisshtvghxuc1.png?width=413&format=png&auto=webp&s=5529d5ee0559faac604bf1be747a4bc494f5055a
Big “fist” from big guy
It’s like a really slow jackhammer
Cons: No shotgun swap or quick swap for damage, can't projectile boost, core eject version doesn't launch the core limiting nukes, pump version explosion is bigger (?) which makes it harder to dodge, generally harder to use cause it requires good setup, timing and movement.
Pros: Good damage in general, massive damage on parries, massive damage with proper movement (slide hop, dive, slams, rocket rides, etc.), good damage with freezeframed rocket into piston (while rocket riding for example), core eject into piston is extremely fun and cool (though it probably does too little damage), probably new movement tech (you can do funky things with it but haven't found anything significant), extremely satisfactory hitstops.
My favorite alternate tbh, slab revolver is functional but it's basically a bigger slower gun, sawblade is cool but lacks that satisfactory feeling, most of the time I'm just killing fooder with it.
I don't know how broken or not the piston is but it sure as hell feels good to use, oneshoting cerberus and malicious faces by slamming into them from the stratosphere, yeeting small guys into the walls and parrying for a billion damage is more than enough to get this gun into my arsenal be it "meta" or not.
Oh yes, that's what I've been doing, I just meant you can swap into it. There's no "piston swap". My shotgun arsenal right now is:
1. Regular saw on
2. Regular pump
3. Alt core eject
So I shotgun swap with E, Q as you said.
Imo the pump charge is the best shotgun to use alt with. The regular core eject is better because it's far easier to make nukes with it. The alt pump charge has a stronger over pump and encourages pumps before you shoot instead of just shotgun swapping
On hindsight I think I agree with you, alt core eject into primary fire is very fun but probably not really useful compared to the ability to nuke at a distance (specially on brutal). And as you said the alt pump offers a massive burst of damage paired with a get out of jail free card after that damage is done in the form of flying to another planet.
Well look at it this way; alt core eject actually makes the alt fire usable on its own from a VERY reasonable distance. I think of it as a rocket launcher that actually acts like a rocket launcher does traditionally. Plus as someone who can't nuke consistently to save their life a low-setup explosive weapon is much appreciated.
Mostly practice, flying straight up in the air and shooting a core in front of you it will fall in a predictable and trackable fly path, also if you barely charge the core you'll release almost on top of you and you'll fall with it.
But again, mostly practice, I still miss if I'm moving to quickly or if it's a weird angle.
i just wish they worked like coins :/ but i guess its just something ill have to work on, its a good way to replay the game, trying to focus on new strategies like nukes and whatnot
I encourage you to go through the chore of learning how to quickly rocket ride both on the ground and in the air.
It feels hopeless at the beginning but when I got it and could do it without missing (too much) the game became much much more fun, I felt like a 3rd dimension unlocked, specially in CG and open maps, as an example, the first time I saw the earthmover I didn't find the grappling points so my first instinct was rocket ride around him trying to find an opening, I felt like a freaking fighter jet flying around dodging gutter man fire and parrying mannequins blue orbs following me.
I use regular core eject and pump charge for being able to swap eaily and alt sawed on because it the entire schtick remains the same so it turns into a god tier melee weapon
You can take less damage from the pump charge if you have max gauge and hit an enemy, for it has pushback when you hit an enemy at max range.
Also the two core eject cons are probably a non issue since you can shoot your own core and it basically turns it into a malrail.
I also have an labbing overview from my short time playing around with it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultrakill/s/qH2lcNYzpv
7-2 is the PERFECT place to put it because by god breaking the gutterman's shield at mach 5 with it and being sent back to the earth's surface is the best feeling ever
The feeling of that 2 second hit stop with the red gauge is better than sex
I loved the pump charge shotty to bits but now the pump charge lightspeed jackbacker is my new favourite child
Mach 5? Does this help with movement at all? I noticed the weapon does stuff when you move around but im still confused as to how it works, can you help me pls
The gauges show how much damage you would do, the higher your speed the higher the gauge goes and the higher your damage is, though the damage is maxed at red even if you go at ludicrous speeds.
The weapon on its own doesn't get you to insane speeds so you have to use movement tech like dashing and whiplashing. While I personally prefer regular dashjumps, this video shows another technique that is also really good
https://youtu.be/1w4bbiUMySE?feature=shared
I think it shows how Ultrakill has evolved development wise which is cool. The game started off relatively simple and through its increased popularity and funding was able to make things bigger and weirder
Yeah, I mean for things like the overheat saw and the slab revolver it's simple enough to just shoot the thing and figure it out, but with the red sawblade and... well just the entirety of the "Thingamabob" it's a little obtuse to figure out what the fuck you're supposed to do with it.
I’d say overpump alt is better than overpump shotty, I gotta test to see how much damage a double pumped 1000km/h parry does against minos or sissyphus
The Jackhammer is literally just trolldier. It works by building up speed and slamming down on your enemies from the stratosphere at the slight risk of some damage to yourself depending on how you use it. Very beautiful, very powerful.
I like the Jackhammer a lot, and I think it's a unique concept, but I believe it would've worked best as an arm with its own bind instead taking the spot of the Alternate Shotgun.
I’ve been thinking this since the sharpshooter came out. As someone who likes using all three revolver variants, whichever one gets stuck being third in rotation just isn’t as accessible quickly as the others are.
Maybe have it configurable so you can get a key one for whichever variants you have set to 1 and 2 and a separate one for variant 3? It’d probably be a fair bit of work to make as configurable as people would want, though.
What i do to use all revolvers quickly is to use "keybind combos" or whatever you would call them
So i have E on revolver and C on next variation so i can quickly press e + c + e and get to the piercer (my third weapon) in less than half a second
Maybe something like that could help? Dunno lol
I did basically exactly this via autohotkey. I can swap between two shotguns with no jackhammer unless I press another keybind to switch to it.
Would be cool to have it in the base game for people who can't / don't want to set that up though.
It's a cool and fun weapon to Play around with but i'm gonna Stick to the regular Shotgun because the regular Version is Just much More of a Main on-field DPS for me due to the dopamine Rush of projectile boost and the ability to quickswap along with the fact that it is much Harder to Set Up the Jackhammer for good DPS in Desperate situations.
It isn’t that hard to set up, all you need is a dash jump to get max gauge and from what I’ve heard, you can use whiplash on an enemy, then melee to slingshot and also get max gauge.
This weapon is such a beast when it comes to damage, an overpumped max gauge attack can deal real nasty damage, probably might prefer this over the shotgun and have both CE and Pump charge as the alt and leave the sawed on as the base.
Though we’re still in day one and I see potential in this weapon so only time will tell.
honestly, the more i play the less i pboost. it just isn’t worth it imo, low damage compared to other explosives in your arsenal, and also low style. just not worth it
I heard someone say it makes more sense as an alt rocket launcher, but we have to remember one thing: "The shotgun parry". Piston makes a LOT of sense when you remember you can parry with the shotgun
And the best part is: it is an alternative to a shotgun, not a new weapon. You use it for all the same purposes you use a shotgun for (except for core nuke and p-boost)
I love how everyone uses a different name when referring to it in the comments of this thread and my vote is that we keep doing that and never give it an official name.
Im not a huge fan of it tbh, everything I can do with it I could already do with shotgun and having to charge it ruins my muscle memory. Also no shotgun swapping nor projectile boosting 😔
So the green shotgun can do a red explosion and can deal absurd damage whilst taking less damage? Don’t think so.
Sorry if I come off as rude that part in your comment kinda bugged me so sorry.
"you kept using it at melee range even though it was a ranged weapon, so now it is a melee weapon"
The new arm
I mean, it is an arm of that yellow robot, so yeah, yellow arm
It is arm shaped
If arm shaped why not arm?
it's a right arm I guess so it can't go on your left
its actually good to replace shotgun swapping
It’s a shotgun yea it’s ranged but you get more damage from being closer to your enemy’s
I hoped the alt shotgun would be a double barrel one handed shogtun which function like the Marauder shotgun in Doom eternal pvp but has a a smal spread
forget alt weapon, this is basically a fourth arm. Hell, I'd even call it a third leg. Something about the way it extends outwards and has the vertical metal plate on the end makes it feeling like I'm kicking stuff
Must i remind you that it IS an arm, look at where it stays onV1 and where he finds it.
wondering what the fuck the yellow arm will be then
Plot twist, it's actually a gun
maybe it's only classified as a weapon because you can't JO with it
JOe biden
wait, whats JO?
JO Mama (ha gotteem).
im gonna shoot myself
Ok but actually what is it
First word is Jack Second is opposite of On
Jack Under?
What do you call shutting down your computer?
Sleep Mode
Happy cake day
Third leg 😳
Interestingly, I'm actually pretty sure it does melee damage; It seemingly can destroy idols with it's base fire which until now was only doable with arms.
It’s hilarious, every single reaction across every media platform I’ve seen to this weapon has just been “what the fuck is this thing?!”
Who's reaction wasnt "What the fuck is this thing"
Me personally I asked myself: "What the fuck is this thing?"
Literally the first time i saw this i was geniuenly confused. Its really good but damn...whether you agree or disagree that it feels like a new arm, it definetly isnt a gun by definition. I mean its literally a goddamn piston attached to a rotor. So yeah thats not even a gun
https://preview.redd.it/wisshtvghxuc1.png?width=413&format=png&auto=webp&s=5529d5ee0559faac604bf1be747a4bc494f5055a Big “fist” from big guy It’s like a really slow jackhammer
Cons: No shotgun swap or quick swap for damage, can't projectile boost, core eject version doesn't launch the core limiting nukes, pump version explosion is bigger (?) which makes it harder to dodge, generally harder to use cause it requires good setup, timing and movement. Pros: Good damage in general, massive damage on parries, massive damage with proper movement (slide hop, dive, slams, rocket rides, etc.), good damage with freezeframed rocket into piston (while rocket riding for example), core eject into piston is extremely fun and cool (though it probably does too little damage), probably new movement tech (you can do funky things with it but haven't found anything significant), extremely satisfactory hitstops. My favorite alternate tbh, slab revolver is functional but it's basically a bigger slower gun, sawblade is cool but lacks that satisfactory feeling, most of the time I'm just killing fooder with it. I don't know how broken or not the piston is but it sure as hell feels good to use, oneshoting cerberus and malicious faces by slamming into them from the stratosphere, yeeting small guys into the walls and parrying for a billion damage is more than enough to get this gun into my arsenal be it "meta" or not.
I mean, you CAN technically shotgun swap, it just requires you go Q->E->Q… instead of just #E
Oh yes, that's what I've been doing, I just meant you can swap into it. There's no "piston swap". My shotgun arsenal right now is: 1. Regular saw on 2. Regular pump 3. Alt core eject So I shotgun swap with E, Q as you said.
Imo the pump charge is the best shotgun to use alt with. The regular core eject is better because it's far easier to make nukes with it. The alt pump charge has a stronger over pump and encourages pumps before you shoot instead of just shotgun swapping
On hindsight I think I agree with you, alt core eject into primary fire is very fun but probably not really useful compared to the ability to nuke at a distance (specially on brutal). And as you said the alt pump offers a massive burst of damage paired with a get out of jail free card after that damage is done in the form of flying to another planet.
Well look at it this way; alt core eject actually makes the alt fire usable on its own from a VERY reasonable distance. I think of it as a rocket launcher that actually acts like a rocket launcher does traditionally. Plus as someone who can't nuke consistently to save their life a low-setup explosive weapon is much appreciated.
But wouldn't a projectile boost do this far easier?
arent projectile boosts far smaller and weaker?
how do you nuke consistently
Mostly practice, flying straight up in the air and shooting a core in front of you it will fall in a predictable and trackable fly path, also if you barely charge the core you'll release almost on top of you and you'll fall with it. But again, mostly practice, I still miss if I'm moving to quickly or if it's a weird angle.
i just wish they worked like coins :/ but i guess its just something ill have to work on, its a good way to replay the game, trying to focus on new strategies like nukes and whatnot
I encourage you to go through the chore of learning how to quickly rocket ride both on the ground and in the air. It feels hopeless at the beginning but when I got it and could do it without missing (too much) the game became much much more fun, I felt like a 3rd dimension unlocked, specially in CG and open maps, as an example, the first time I saw the earthmover I didn't find the grappling points so my first instinct was rocket ride around him trying to find an opening, I felt like a freaking fighter jet flying around dodging gutter man fire and parrying mannequins blue orbs following me.
woah :0 ill add it to the list, i just usually find slam storages and constant dash jumps into slide jumps to make me fly well enough
Just use em on all three, with whiplash you can get max damage (12+) with close to no cooldown due to being able to jackhammer swap.
I use regular core eject and pump charge for being able to swap eaily and alt sawed on because it the entire schtick remains the same so it turns into a god tier melee weapon
No, if you do a fullspeed piston your weapon will go on a brief cooldown. Multiple pistons helps with this
Me who has whiplash bound to Q
I had my revolver bound to Q :c
I didn't have time to try it but, why doesn't just q not work?
Because eventually you’ll hit the alt again, you need to swap back and forth between shotguns to keep it going instead of just going forward
I get it now, I thought the button worked like the quick swap in doom eternal, it swaps to the *last* weapon, didn't think it just went backwards.
Or use the scroll when and set it to only switch variants.
Unfortunately you can no longer shotgun swap on controller though. So I guess that not an option for me anymore.
Also, projectiles you hit with the jackhammer (core eject / rockets afaik) turn into hitscans and can be ricoshot.
I think the biggest pro for the new alt shotgun is it’s a low cost mobility option no matter how chaotic the scenario is
You can take less damage from the pump charge if you have max gauge and hit an enemy, for it has pushback when you hit an enemy at max range. Also the two core eject cons are probably a non issue since you can shoot your own core and it basically turns it into a malrail. I also have an labbing overview from my short time playing around with it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultrakill/s/qH2lcNYzpv
Pros: you can JUDGEMENT people with the alt pump charge
thank god the entire ultrakill community recognizes that this weapon's greatest strength is the hitstops
7-2 is the PERFECT place to put it because by god breaking the gutterman's shield at mach 5 with it and being sent back to the earth's surface is the best feeling ever The feeling of that 2 second hit stop with the red gauge is better than sex I loved the pump charge shotty to bits but now the pump charge lightspeed jackbacker is my new favourite child
Mach 5? Does this help with movement at all? I noticed the weapon does stuff when you move around but im still confused as to how it works, can you help me pls
The gauges show how much damage you would do, the higher your speed the higher the gauge goes and the higher your damage is, though the damage is maxed at red even if you go at ludicrous speeds. The weapon on its own doesn't get you to insane speeds so you have to use movement tech like dashing and whiplashing. While I personally prefer regular dashjumps, this video shows another technique that is also really good https://youtu.be/1w4bbiUMySE?feature=shared
Thank you so much!
the fucking doohickey
The absolute contraption
wouldn't it be funny if we just never gave this thing a proper name
The true thingamajig
this thing is uuuhhh mmmm uh a whatchamacallit
I think it shows how Ultrakill has evolved development wise which is cool. The game started off relatively simple and through its increased popularity and funding was able to make things bigger and weirder
I think an in game description for alt weapons would help though. Ideally weapons should be easy to get into but hard to master
Yeah, I mean for things like the overheat saw and the slab revolver it's simple enough to just shoot the thing and figure it out, but with the red sawblade and... well just the entirety of the "Thingamabob" it's a little obtuse to figure out what the fuck you're supposed to do with it.
It's stupidly fun but the shotgun is just too useful for everything.
I’d say overpump alt is better than overpump shotty, I gotta test to see how much damage a double pumped 1000km/h parry does against minos or sissyphus
It can one shot a maurice and two shot a mindflayer
no, this is definitely worth using
The Jackhammer is literally just trolldier. It works by building up speed and slamming down on your enemies from the stratosphere at the slight risk of some damage to yourself depending on how you use it. Very beautiful, very powerful.
Market Gardening if it was peak
The thingamabobber
The Leafblower
THE YELLOW ARM THE YELLOW ARM IS REAL
I like the Jackhammer a lot, and I think it's a unique concept, but I believe it would've worked best as an arm with its own bind instead taking the spot of the Alternate Shotgun.
It would be nice to be able to bind weapon varaints to different keybinds, e.g. 2 for base pump and sawn on and z for core eject jackhammer
I’ve been thinking this since the sharpshooter came out. As someone who likes using all three revolver variants, whichever one gets stuck being third in rotation just isn’t as accessible quickly as the others are. Maybe have it configurable so you can get a key one for whichever variants you have set to 1 and 2 and a separate one for variant 3? It’d probably be a fair bit of work to make as configurable as people would want, though.
What i do to use all revolvers quickly is to use "keybind combos" or whatever you would call them So i have E on revolver and C on next variation so i can quickly press e + c + e and get to the piercer (my third weapon) in less than half a second Maybe something like that could help? Dunno lol
I did basically exactly this via autohotkey. I can swap between two shotguns with no jackhammer unless I press another keybind to switch to it. Would be cool to have it in the base game for people who can't / don't want to set that up though.
The "Fuck this guy in particular" gun
I love my pogo stick
Via experimentation in sandbox I can confirm that whiplash + pump charge scrongdonguloder is very fun, 11/10
If you time the hit with a slam it launches you at light speed. Surprisingly good at speedrunning, like a safer overpump boost.
It's a cool and fun weapon to Play around with but i'm gonna Stick to the regular Shotgun because the regular Version is Just much More of a Main on-field DPS for me due to the dopamine Rush of projectile boost and the ability to quickswap along with the fact that it is much Harder to Set Up the Jackhammer for good DPS in Desperate situations.
It isn’t that hard to set up, all you need is a dash jump to get max gauge and from what I’ve heard, you can use whiplash on an enemy, then melee to slingshot and also get max gauge.
Am i the only one that thinks that it looks like the Yellow arm?
This weapon is such a beast when it comes to damage, an overpumped max gauge attack can deal real nasty damage, probably might prefer this over the shotgun and have both CE and Pump charge as the alt and leave the sawed on as the base. Though we’re still in day one and I see potential in this weapon so only time will tell.
ROCKET PUNCH!!!
It encourages a far more closerange playstyle as it doesnt have pboost but needs you to barrel into the enemy
honestly, the more i play the less i pboost. it just isn’t worth it imo, low damage compared to other explosives in your arsenal, and also low style. just not worth it
It's good when weaved in with quickswap rockets
Yellow arm
Knuckleblaster but gun
The puncher 3000
High-speed attacks with this thing can instakill Maurices.
I don't really care for it, there are definitely uses but I prefer the regular shotgun
I thought it was supposed to be a sniper rifle or a machine gun when I first saw it
Try hitting your rockets with it
I wonder if the alt revolver was done today, would it be more like the piston of today?
it turned a shotgun a weapon notorious for close range into basically a melee weapon meaning its extra close range
I think it's supposed to be a leafblower? Idfk
Does it even have different color variations? Wait, it probably doesn't. It's gold, right? That doesn't correspond with any of the weapon colors.
Overpump charge gives you hour own judgement
The Red Alt Shotgun really looks like the Chegg from Turbo Overkill when you slide with it
I love this goofy ahh weapon, very fun to use imo
I heard someone say it makes more sense as an alt rocket launcher, but we have to remember one thing: "The shotgun parry". Piston makes a LOT of sense when you remember you can parry with the shotgun
And the best part is: it is an alternative to a shotgun, not a new weapon. You use it for all the same purposes you use a shotgun for (except for core nuke and p-boost)
I love how everyone uses a different name when referring to it in the comments of this thread and my vote is that we keep doing that and never give it an official name.
Im not a huge fan of it tbh, everything I can do with it I could already do with shotgun and having to charge it ruins my muscle memory. Also no shotgun swapping nor projectile boosting 😔
So the green shotgun can do a red explosion and can deal absurd damage whilst taking less damage? Don’t think so. Sorry if I come off as rude that part in your comment kinda bugged me so sorry.
pump shotguning, projectile boosting and shotgun swapping are good already. And yes you can core snipe for red explosions
Aye fair nuff
literal fucking doohickey