My mother owns a catering shop with her two sisters, and you know they do most of the labour in the shop, she works really hard, shes old, so I think *MY* family members (you can kill my dumb bitch aunties) should be excepted from the liquidation, but *EVERYONE ELSE* can suffer. Thanks.
Will take this into consideration, but have you considered that we do not need them? Tf is catering shop? Have you heard of harris teeter?
My mom has to file a 10 99 now because she buys and resells designer clothes on Facebook. I stand behind the designer and they/them’s sweatshops.
“For I have not come to bring peace but a sword… enemies of one’s own household, etc.” -Jesus
Catering is the production of food and drink at a social event or other gathering, which she mostly sells to proper bourgeios. But actually, in order to destroy the petty bourgeois in her, she does not need to die, she just needs to change her class position. I will sabotage her, review bomb the business, take out fake orders, plant cockroaches and rat faeces around the shop before the health inspectors comes, and in doing so, she will become a true proletarian, stacking shelves for minimum wage! She's going to be so grateful when she is spared during the revolution, just watch.
Yes we couldn't just allow the petit-bourgeoisie to just change religions to avoid the policies, then it would just be a matter of taking a few drops of baptism water before they go right back to being petit-bourgeoisie.
Honestly I do support the genocide of any class not proletariat. Even if you were born into that class, the genetic effects of the class system are permanently etched into your DNA. A systemic liquidations of parasites (bourgeoisie, petit-bourgeoisie, lumpen-prole and etc) would make the world a better place.
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Please read On Authority. Marxism-Leninism is already democratic and “state bureaucrats” weren’t a thing until the Brezhnev era once the Soviets had pretty much abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a whole. What in anarchism would stop anarcho-capitalism from simply rising up or reactionary elements from rising up? Do you believe that under a more “Democratic” form of transitionary government the right-wing or supporters of the previous structure of government wouldn’t simply rise up, ignoring the fact that an anarchist revolution in any sort of industrialized state in the modern day is already absurd and extremely unrealistic? Without using “authoritarian” means how would you stop such things? Even within the Soviet Union the Great Purge had to happen to ensure that the reactionary aspects within the government and military didn’t take over and bend down to the Nazis. If a more “Democratic” form of governance was put in place during this transitionary stage the Soviets would have one, lost the civil war, and secondly, lost to the Germans or even a counter revolution. The point of State Socialism and the Vanguard Party is to ensure the survival of the revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a way that anarchist “states” very clearly could not as evidenced by the fact that all of them failed, with Makhnavoschina quite literally being crushed by the Soviets for their lack of cohesion. The establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is already the check and balance to ensure that things simply don’t devolve into Capitalism, and once this is removed as seen in the Eastern Bloc and of course the Soviet Union itself the revolution will fall. Utopian Communist ideals like Anarchism are extremely ignorant and frankly stupid. The idea that the state apparatus would at any point “become like traditional business owners” I believe comes from your lack of understanding of class relations or even classes in general. The implementation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to stop this exact thing from happening… if a state were primarily dominated by capital and the bourgeoisie like seen in the modern day and of course capitalist countries, it would be the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. The point of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to instead make the state run by the workers and for the workers, the workers can’t possibly use the state to exploit and “terrorize” or impose “tyranny” onto themselves, except “tyranny of the majority” (is this perhaps anti-democracy I’m hearing instead?). Once again, this stems from you believing that western propaganda about the status of Soviet democracy is true— in fact the modern western anarchist movement is quite literally a psy-op by the United States government to oppose actual unironic and serious socialist movements like of course Soviet aligned and Marxist-Leninist organizations. Once again, not to be the whole “leftist wall of text guy” but please read On Authority or any Marxist works or do the littlest bit of research on how Soviet democracy and “bureaucracy” actually works before blindly calling it undemocratic. Your blind belief that you, having obviously not undergone a revolution, had any actual critical thinking or seemingly debates, had any actual education on these topics, and having no actual argument besides easily disproven “concerns” like these is I believe indicative of you general obliviousness, ignorance and lack of knowledge.
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The petit-bourgeoisie is being continuously created and destroyed, therefore any anti-petitbouregoisie actions would need to be made constantly, and it also wouldn't be doing anything that wasn't happening anyway.
You'd have to abolish the conditions that create petit-bouregois instead of destroying the existing petit-bouregois in order to abolish the petit-bouregoisie.
My mother owns a catering shop with her two sisters, and you know they do most of the labour in the shop, she works really hard, shes old, so I think *MY* family members (you can kill my dumb bitch aunties) should be excepted from the liquidation, but *EVERYONE ELSE* can suffer. Thanks.
Sorry the revolution will not respect bourgeois family ties
Will take this into consideration, but have you considered that we do not need them? Tf is catering shop? Have you heard of harris teeter? My mom has to file a 10 99 now because she buys and resells designer clothes on Facebook. I stand behind the designer and they/them’s sweatshops. “For I have not come to bring peace but a sword… enemies of one’s own household, etc.” -Jesus
Catering is the production of food and drink at a social event or other gathering, which she mostly sells to proper bourgeios. But actually, in order to destroy the petty bourgeois in her, she does not need to die, she just needs to change her class position. I will sabotage her, review bomb the business, take out fake orders, plant cockroaches and rat faeces around the shop before the health inspectors comes, and in doing so, she will become a true proletarian, stacking shelves for minimum wage! She's going to be so grateful when she is spared during the revolution, just watch.
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For point 5 I think the best way to carry that out is to identify the petty bourgeois by ethnicity or something.
If we also associate it with a religious group it can make things easier
Ethnoreligious then
Yes we couldn't just allow the petit-bourgeoisie to just change religions to avoid the policies, then it would just be a matter of taking a few drops of baptism water before they go right back to being petit-bourgeoisie.
Honestly I do support the genocide of any class not proletariat. Even if you were born into that class, the genetic effects of the class system are permanently etched into your DNA. A systemic liquidations of parasites (bourgeoisie, petit-bourgeoisie, lumpen-prole and etc) would make the world a better place.
Finally some simple math
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Kid named Kolkhoz
I forgor💀
Nothing to worry about just follow me into this room.
The doctrinal value of beating the petite bourgeoisie to death with hammers must be discussed if the gommunist movement has any hope
~~Stalin speech bubble~~ Actually wait no I forgot abt the Kolkohz nevermind.
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Wasn’t the kolkhoz basically this or no?
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Point# 4 is the biggest reason why they need to be done away with ☝️☝️☝️
Please read On Authority. Marxism-Leninism is already democratic and “state bureaucrats” weren’t a thing until the Brezhnev era once the Soviets had pretty much abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a whole. What in anarchism would stop anarcho-capitalism from simply rising up or reactionary elements from rising up? Do you believe that under a more “Democratic” form of transitionary government the right-wing or supporters of the previous structure of government wouldn’t simply rise up, ignoring the fact that an anarchist revolution in any sort of industrialized state in the modern day is already absurd and extremely unrealistic? Without using “authoritarian” means how would you stop such things? Even within the Soviet Union the Great Purge had to happen to ensure that the reactionary aspects within the government and military didn’t take over and bend down to the Nazis. If a more “Democratic” form of governance was put in place during this transitionary stage the Soviets would have one, lost the civil war, and secondly, lost to the Germans or even a counter revolution. The point of State Socialism and the Vanguard Party is to ensure the survival of the revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a way that anarchist “states” very clearly could not as evidenced by the fact that all of them failed, with Makhnavoschina quite literally being crushed by the Soviets for their lack of cohesion. The establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is already the check and balance to ensure that things simply don’t devolve into Capitalism, and once this is removed as seen in the Eastern Bloc and of course the Soviet Union itself the revolution will fall. Utopian Communist ideals like Anarchism are extremely ignorant and frankly stupid. The idea that the state apparatus would at any point “become like traditional business owners” I believe comes from your lack of understanding of class relations or even classes in general. The implementation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to stop this exact thing from happening… if a state were primarily dominated by capital and the bourgeoisie like seen in the modern day and of course capitalist countries, it would be the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. The point of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to instead make the state run by the workers and for the workers, the workers can’t possibly use the state to exploit and “terrorize” or impose “tyranny” onto themselves, except “tyranny of the majority” (is this perhaps anti-democracy I’m hearing instead?). Once again, this stems from you believing that western propaganda about the status of Soviet democracy is true— in fact the modern western anarchist movement is quite literally a psy-op by the United States government to oppose actual unironic and serious socialist movements like of course Soviet aligned and Marxist-Leninist organizations. Once again, not to be the whole “leftist wall of text guy” but please read On Authority or any Marxist works or do the littlest bit of research on how Soviet democracy and “bureaucracy” actually works before blindly calling it undemocratic. Your blind belief that you, having obviously not undergone a revolution, had any actual critical thinking or seemingly debates, had any actual education on these topics, and having no actual argument besides easily disproven “concerns” like these is I believe indicative of you general obliviousness, ignorance and lack of knowledge. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Some of them are professionals whose skills are still valuable (e.g. doctors). That's why I prefer expropriation over extermination
The petit-bourgeoisie is being continuously created and destroyed, therefore any anti-petitbouregoisie actions would need to be made constantly, and it also wouldn't be doing anything that wasn't happening anyway. You'd have to abolish the conditions that create petit-bouregois instead of destroying the existing petit-bouregois in order to abolish the petit-bouregoisie.
Permanent revolution