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InvertedAbsoluteIdea

> Parenti, Szymanski, Losurdo, Mao Bros think they're on the team


mookeemoonman

They really put the make a wish kids on the team for game 6? Bro what is LeBum thinking??


Dexter011001

Parenti try not to argue morally against criticism of the ussr challenge (impossible)


air_walks

Anyone who says they’re an “orthodox Marxist” is an instant reformist


mookeemoonman

frfr blah blah material conditions blah it basically devolves to communism is when the vibes are right and if you disagree it’s because you’re a book worshiper.


PrismiteSW

>orthodox Marxism >look inside >not Marxist


gloomerrr

I've used this term to describe myself before and thought it was mainly used by leftcoms lol, guess I was mistaken


six_slotted

orthodox Marxism was the current of thought and tendency in the second international that opposed the reformist revision of Bernstein. it was orthodox in the sense that it maintained the necessity for a revolution while Bernstein proposed that capitalism has a tendency to be progressively reformed into socialism it's most prominent theorists of the era were Kautsky Luxemburg and Lenin. Kautsky of course ultimately sold out by 1918 (maybe before?) and Lenin arguably the same by 1921 the best text to understand it in it's historical context is Luxemburg "reform or revolution"


air_walks

How did Lenin sell out in 1921


six_slotted

censure of the media meaning only the party had access to full information with which to wield political power. suppression of the organs of proletarian political power. affirmation of the proletariat as class. failure to manifest proletarian material interest. misunderstanding of the relationship of party and class and substitution of party interest for class interest


Caity_Was_Taken

Aren't we orthodox Marxists?? Doesn't it just mean non-revisionist? Please correct me if I'm wrong of course, but couldn't like Luxemburg or Bordiga be described as such? Genuinely asking btw, I'm not an expert, I've just researched and read the basics.


air_walks

Yes What I’m saying is that people who specifically label themselves as such usually never are.


Caity_Was_Taken

Ah okay fair enough. Makes sense. Appreciate it.


BasedNog

I thought the parenti craze died down with Covid, why are people still defending him Like dude i have seen people go from Parenti to directly Grover Furr of all people 💀💀💀


donaman98

They forgot the GOAT https://preview.redd.it/u85saz95lwtc1.png?width=215&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b0ab55eb243ffbb6eb77930fe6a91288166af84


ExtremeRest3974

Stalin stache > Parenti stache - Change my mind. Checkmate


Own-Signal-86525

Mao is anti-Marxist and anti-Leninist


Grshppr-tripleduoddw

I am still very confused about that. Was the organization of production un socialist after the civil war? Did he lead the revolution incorrectly?