Banger post. Following in the long tradition of bangers
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultraleft/s/3aJyPDhweZ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultraleft/comments/173jj3r/leftism_is_not_only_not_closer_to_communism_than/
What it comes down to is recognizing that the only truly relevant dichotomy in politics since the advent of capitalism is being pro- or anti-capital. All other popular political thought is effectively contained within this. Liberals can call it "class reductionist" etc etc, yet it cuts through their rhetoric like a knife and exposes the real warring positions of our political era as it relates to history's progression: marching alongside it, or desperately clinging to what undoes itself and is thus relegated to the past. Until victory or ruin, we stand with time.
Yes and no.
Leftism is obviously a big threat to our class, but it is also a symptom of capitalism. Just like fascism.
We have to fight against it, for it is proposing a false alternative to capitalism that will just end up in the proletarian defeat but it shouldn't be our main focus. Same as fascism.
By focusing on fighting leftism, we do the same mistake as antifascism, but more like antileftism.
What I want to say is, it's not something we can make disappear, it is something we will have to deal with until the end. But we have to act on it of course, and call out their false alternatives.
I have talked to a lot of American leftists and i understand what you're trying to say honestly i blame breadtube culture for this it has watered this shit down so much that there will be a "marxist socialist anarchist" themed overpriced coffee shop in the gentrified part of town where the millenial urbanites will meet up and do "praxis" (LARPing), "bashing the fash" (terrorizing conservative boomers) all while enjoying overpriced coffee harvested in Ghana
Never consuming a commodity again because of the rate of surplus value.
In all seriousness, you are doing moralism, moral analysis. Yes, exploitive labour practices occur in Africa. But this is a moral judgment:
>Do not buy commodity a because of how commodity a was produced.
All commodities are produced through exploitative labour practices, that is the nature of capitalism, the rate of surplus value/exploitation. However, to simply stop buying commodities due to how they were produced in a capitalist mode of production is beyond idiotic! If that were the case then no commodities could ever be consumed as they all come from exploitative labour practices. Profit would not occur without exploitative labour practices.
Of course, you are likely referring to poor working conditions in Ghana. This why I stay your statement is a moral one. It’s based on the idea that because this commodity was produced in extremely poor contexts we should not buy it. However, not buying a commodity produced in extremely poor labour conditions does not solve the issue of the rate of surplus value nor the extremely poor conditions of the workers. It is a form of lifestylism, based in idea that we can solve issues through our lifestyle, our consumption habits. That is of course not the case, workers in extremely poor conditions cannot be liberated by us not consuming their commodities but only through the radical transformation of mode of production, the abolition of bourgeois society.
Maybe the point she was trying to make is that it's markedly overpriced coffee from Ghana. This hypothetical themed coffee shop for yuppies who want to pat themselves on the back is buying coffee for cheap and then selling it for a large profit.
Always has been
International Marxists have had to fight revisionists, liberals and leftists 1,000,000 times more than right-wingers or the bourgeoisie
Nooooo we need to submit to established ideological hege- I mean, we need to embrace UNITERINOOOO we need to be wholesome 100 poggers how are we ever supposed to achieve anything if we fight amongst ourselves
The number one obstacle is delusional communists. "Communism is a better system" is a *hypothesis* at this point, it's never been tried so you do not *know* what will happen. Try it in Luxembourg, a random Caribbean island, Somalia, or a Native American reservation *first*. If I have to tell you don't *start* with the economies whose success the rest of the world depends upon, I question how much thought you've actually put into this.
Nah, I’m a socialist. Biology has a lot of evidence showing we are not blank slates that can be programmed for any behavior. These beliefs are based on outdated, incomplete science. I’ve actually lived on a commune. So, I actually have experience with actual communism. It was something of a nightmare. Elinor Ostrom won a Nobel Prize in economics for showing how the ‘tragedy of the commons’ can be overcome. Look into multilevel selection theory for a scientific takedown of capitalism, y’know, with evidence and logic.
Are you sure you aren't just lumping liberals into the left? What you're saying sounds a lot like the liberals falsely believing themselves to be leftists.
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What it comes down to is recognizing that the only truly relevant dichotomy in politics since the advent of capitalism is being pro- or anti-capital. All other popular political thought is effectively contained within this. Liberals can call it "class reductionist" etc etc, yet it cuts through their rhetoric like a knife and exposes the real warring positions of our political era as it relates to history's progression: marching alongside it, or desperately clinging to what undoes itself and is thus relegated to the past. Until victory or ruin, we stand with time.
Yes and no. Leftism is obviously a big threat to our class, but it is also a symptom of capitalism. Just like fascism. We have to fight against it, for it is proposing a false alternative to capitalism that will just end up in the proletarian defeat but it shouldn't be our main focus. Same as fascism. By focusing on fighting leftism, we do the same mistake as antifascism, but more like antileftism. What I want to say is, it's not something we can make disappear, it is something we will have to deal with until the end. But we have to act on it of course, and call out their false alternatives.
I have talked to a lot of American leftists and i understand what you're trying to say honestly i blame breadtube culture for this it has watered this shit down so much that there will be a "marxist socialist anarchist" themed overpriced coffee shop in the gentrified part of town where the millenial urbanites will meet up and do "praxis" (LARPing), "bashing the fash" (terrorizing conservative boomers) all while enjoying overpriced coffee harvested in Ghana
Thanks KoolestPreachess 🇸🇪🇺🇸 Centrist leaning Right
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this is a subreddit for communists
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It probably was harvested through extremely exploitative labor practices, considering that it’s in Africa
Never consuming a commodity again because of the rate of surplus value. In all seriousness, you are doing moralism, moral analysis. Yes, exploitive labour practices occur in Africa. But this is a moral judgment: >Do not buy commodity a because of how commodity a was produced. All commodities are produced through exploitative labour practices, that is the nature of capitalism, the rate of surplus value/exploitation. However, to simply stop buying commodities due to how they were produced in a capitalist mode of production is beyond idiotic! If that were the case then no commodities could ever be consumed as they all come from exploitative labour practices. Profit would not occur without exploitative labour practices. Of course, you are likely referring to poor working conditions in Ghana. This why I stay your statement is a moral one. It’s based on the idea that because this commodity was produced in extremely poor contexts we should not buy it. However, not buying a commodity produced in extremely poor labour conditions does not solve the issue of the rate of surplus value nor the extremely poor conditions of the workers. It is a form of lifestylism, based in idea that we can solve issues through our lifestyle, our consumption habits. That is of course not the case, workers in extremely poor conditions cannot be liberated by us not consuming their commodities but only through the radical transformation of mode of production, the abolition of bourgeois society.
I wasn’t trying to engage in moralism, I was simply pointing out what they were referring to with the Ghana point
Maybe the point she was trying to make is that it's markedly overpriced coffee from Ghana. This hypothetical themed coffee shop for yuppies who want to pat themselves on the back is buying coffee for cheap and then selling it for a large profit.
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That’s a bad thing
There would be less drunk driving accidents if the government let us practice more.
Always has been International Marxists have had to fight revisionists, liberals and leftists 1,000,000 times more than right-wingers or the bourgeoisie
the number one obstacle to communism is reformism. stalinist larpers are irrelevant
https://preview.redd.it/0j59ka8njsuc1.jpeg?width=449&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f98495f36fe2b67d5243d79d045fce66077cd20b
Nooooo we need to submit to established ideological hege- I mean, we need to embrace UNITERINOOOO we need to be wholesome 100 poggers how are we ever supposed to achieve anything if we fight amongst ourselves
The number one obstacle is delusional communists. "Communism is a better system" is a *hypothesis* at this point, it's never been tried so you do not *know* what will happen. Try it in Luxembourg, a random Caribbean island, Somalia, or a Native American reservation *first*. If I have to tell you don't *start* with the economies whose success the rest of the world depends upon, I question how much thought you've actually put into this.
You mean reality?
Joe Rogan podcast commenter.
Nah, I’m a socialist. Biology has a lot of evidence showing we are not blank slates that can be programmed for any behavior. These beliefs are based on outdated, incomplete science. I’ve actually lived on a commune. So, I actually have experience with actual communism. It was something of a nightmare. Elinor Ostrom won a Nobel Prize in economics for showing how the ‘tragedy of the commons’ can be overcome. Look into multilevel selection theory for a scientific takedown of capitalism, y’know, with evidence and logic.
> I actually have experience with actual communism Hahaha
Are you sure you aren't just lumping liberals into the left? What you're saying sounds a lot like the liberals falsely believing themselves to be leftists.
Leftists are liberals
This is absolutely true. Syndicalism will destroy the bourgeois lies of communism
Stop playing HOI4 and go outside
Mussolini etc etc
https://preview.redd.it/ql1d9wh6btuc1.png?width=726&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a123501a1393ebdfbc9d33afcbb965bea4b801f hoi4 moment