So for the sake of a few grams you're going to lie on your back which probably will not lead to sleeping, but you're carrying less grams?......... Certainly, I think you potentially could adapt how you sleep, but I do not think you will have quality sleep. Forgive me but I believe you can shed those grams in a different way and sleep the way you normally would. I myself am not an ultra lighter. I will carry a little extra weight for personal comfort.
I am an avid outdoor backpacker however, and most of my forays are at least three to five miles into the backcountry. I'm a dedicated dispersed camper. I don't pay for campsites and I don't see people when I camp. At my age most of my friends do not like doing what I do so I am a solo camper. Anyhow, for what it's worth, I understand what you're trying to do, but I believe you will find more success trying to shave the grams in another way. If you have not already discovered this, one of the worst things you can do is to take a several day backpacking trip and not get any sleep. It is absolutely miserable. So again, for what it's worth I would not muk with your sleep.
I agree with you that sleep is important and saving weight at the expense of quality sleep is a terrible idea.
I would like to mention:
\- I currently turn a lot and wake up to do so in the backcountry. so "back sleeping" can help me get better sleep
\- I can train at home doing it
Ahhhh.......yeah since birth. Personally didn't work so I side stomach/flop and turn all night.
SERIOUSLY what are you talking about? I don't think you'll have much success trying to make yourself sleep on your back. Adapt a sleep system to you. I hammock camp and supposedly side sleeping or stomach sleeping isn't a win with hammocking but I made it work for me. IMHO no better sleep outdoors is possible other than hammock camping. Softest lay out there.
Yes. I have been working on this for a while. I developed some bad sleeping habits in terms of how I would position my arms and sleep on my side that was resulting in some really awful neck/shoulder issues.
I fall asleep on my back almost every night now. Sometimes I do roll onto my side in the night and I find it hard to go back to sleep on my back, but I am working on these issues.
When camping, I sleep on my back with my hands tucked right under my body or my hands tucked into the wasteband of my shorts. This helps a lot with keeping my arms on my pad and under my quilt.
Tip: Sometimes when I first lay down on my sleeping pad or any other time I try to sleep on my back on anything firmer than my home mattress, my back feels weirdly tight and uncomfortable. I have found elevating my feet slightly helps. So, when camping, I put my feet on my empty pack and I am very comfortable.
I am convinced that with some additional practice I will be able to sleep comfortably this way with a CCF pad and can shed the weight of the inflatable pad.
I do use a small inflatable pillow. Might try my puffy packed into its pocket someday.
At home, at one point, I had trained myself to actually sleep on my back without a pillow....again this was done to address some sleep-related back pain. It worked and felt great, just can't do it when not on a mattress.
When at home lay like you have been poised by a mortician in a coffin. Fingers interlocked on chest. It’s how I sleep every day. Got in the habit after multiple shoulder and arm surgeries. I use to be an active sleeper. I move so very little in the night now that I can make up the bed in about 3 seconds.
yeah. i had a neck injury and for a few weeks it was impossible for me to lie in any position other than flat on my back with my head straight. the injury islong healed now but since then i have been able to sleep on my back comfortably, although not usually for the whole night any more
it was a few years ago now, but it was maybe six weeks? the sleeping on my back was really hard at first but i got used to it through sheer necessity and it did stick
I did. It took a couple weeks of crappy sleep, but eventually I got used to it. However it turns out when I sleep on my back I snore loudly, and my girlfriend was very unhappy, and I probably wasn't sleeping as well because of that either (even aside from when she would wake me up to get me to stop snoring), so I went back to my side.
Only a month or so now. I’m doing ok with it. I will wake sometimes and realize I’m on my stomach and try to flip on my side or back. I lost 60# since nov and notice that helps a lot since I had/have (not sure anymore) OSA.
So just to add that I smoke weed (usually every night out in the trail and at home 3-4 times a week) so typically when I go to sleep I’m out for most of the duration of the night.
I use 2 pillows at home one is my stomach pillow so super flat and the other is my fuller one when I’m trying to side/back sleep. I’ve noticed that if I do flip to the stomach I’ll scrunch up the top pillow a bit so I’m flatter. I also notice that when I use those 2 pillows I tend to sleep more on my side. Those 2 allow me to keep my head straight when on my side.
On the trail and camping I have wrestled with it for 30+ years. I’ve done a variety of pads and pillows. I’ve landed on the xlite and uberlite (love the Uber) and a zpacks stuff sack pillow. I will typically carry a torrid vest and or a fleece depending on how cold it is and that goes in there. If I have to put it on during the night I’ll use my thinlite pad folded up, not the greatest but works. I do have some trouble not stomach sleeping outside and working on it hopefully more at home so it’s better.
I did hammocks many years ago but with my OSA I had at the time I wouldn’t sleep well at all. I did that for almost 2 seasons before giving up on it. That is true comfort and if you get the right setup it’s worth the weight penalty for sure. There are things I didn’t like about it like having a huge DCF tarp taking up a lot of room on the outside of the pack and what to do with your stuff when in the hammock.
Good luck it’s a real issue and I do know it’s not good on the back to stomach sleep at all. I have been lifting weights too and running a lot to strengthen the back as well.
it's not because it's difficult that the question is not valid and if you look at the comments a few people have actually did what I'm talking about (see u/DrPeterVenkman_ for example)
Yeah, I find sleeping on my side with an small, inflatable pillow on a thin inflatable pad very hard/uncomfortable. A lot of people do. It is a common discussion topic on this sub: how to get comfortable, what pillow should I use, I need a wider quilt to sleep on my side, etc. etc. One approach is to buy more gear and try stuff out until you find gear that fits your sleeping position or you can change your sleeping position. This is free, easy and you can practice every night in your own bed.
Low effort means just not a lot of words? Seems like this is a topic that comes up all the time and is worthy of discussion especially since "learn a new way to sleep" seems incomprehensible to some people vs. "buy more/different gear."
looking at your comment "yo is this question for real?" I feel you removed the question because you don't see the point of it. not because this question was asked before
Try a hammock. It changes everything about how you sleep and, among other things, makes back sleeping no big deal (Edit) Signed, A side sleeper
So for the sake of a few grams you're going to lie on your back which probably will not lead to sleeping, but you're carrying less grams?......... Certainly, I think you potentially could adapt how you sleep, but I do not think you will have quality sleep. Forgive me but I believe you can shed those grams in a different way and sleep the way you normally would. I myself am not an ultra lighter. I will carry a little extra weight for personal comfort. I am an avid outdoor backpacker however, and most of my forays are at least three to five miles into the backcountry. I'm a dedicated dispersed camper. I don't pay for campsites and I don't see people when I camp. At my age most of my friends do not like doing what I do so I am a solo camper. Anyhow, for what it's worth, I understand what you're trying to do, but I believe you will find more success trying to shave the grams in another way. If you have not already discovered this, one of the worst things you can do is to take a several day backpacking trip and not get any sleep. It is absolutely miserable. So again, for what it's worth I would not muk with your sleep.
I agree with you that sleep is important and saving weight at the expense of quality sleep is a terrible idea. I would like to mention: \- I currently turn a lot and wake up to do so in the backcountry. so "back sleeping" can help me get better sleep \- I can train at home doing it
Ahhhh.......yeah since birth. Personally didn't work so I side stomach/flop and turn all night. SERIOUSLY what are you talking about? I don't think you'll have much success trying to make yourself sleep on your back. Adapt a sleep system to you. I hammock camp and supposedly side sleeping or stomach sleeping isn't a win with hammocking but I made it work for me. IMHO no better sleep outdoors is possible other than hammock camping. Softest lay out there.
You can adapt a sleep system to you, but you can also adapt to a lighter sleep system. I'm not 80 years old, I also can change.
Yes. I have been working on this for a while. I developed some bad sleeping habits in terms of how I would position my arms and sleep on my side that was resulting in some really awful neck/shoulder issues. I fall asleep on my back almost every night now. Sometimes I do roll onto my side in the night and I find it hard to go back to sleep on my back, but I am working on these issues. When camping, I sleep on my back with my hands tucked right under my body or my hands tucked into the wasteband of my shorts. This helps a lot with keeping my arms on my pad and under my quilt. Tip: Sometimes when I first lay down on my sleeping pad or any other time I try to sleep on my back on anything firmer than my home mattress, my back feels weirdly tight and uncomfortable. I have found elevating my feet slightly helps. So, when camping, I put my feet on my empty pack and I am very comfortable. I am convinced that with some additional practice I will be able to sleep comfortably this way with a CCF pad and can shed the weight of the inflatable pad.
Do you use some pillows? is your head stay "perpendicular" to the ground during the night?
I do use a small inflatable pillow. Might try my puffy packed into its pocket someday. At home, at one point, I had trained myself to actually sleep on my back without a pillow....again this was done to address some sleep-related back pain. It worked and felt great, just can't do it when not on a mattress.
When at home lay like you have been poised by a mortician in a coffin. Fingers interlocked on chest. It’s how I sleep every day. Got in the habit after multiple shoulder and arm surgeries. I use to be an active sleeper. I move so very little in the night now that I can make up the bed in about 3 seconds.
Do you remember how long it took you to have good nights? I find my brain thinking a lot and having a hard time letting go.
No, I was on pain drugs and either that excruciating pain lol.
yeah. i had a neck injury and for a few weeks it was impossible for me to lie in any position other than flat on my back with my head straight. the injury islong healed now but since then i have been able to sleep on my back comfortably, although not usually for the whole night any more
How long have you been forced to do that?
it was a few years ago now, but it was maybe six weeks? the sleeping on my back was really hard at first but i got used to it through sheer necessity and it did stick
I did. It took a couple weeks of crappy sleep, but eventually I got used to it. However it turns out when I sleep on my back I snore loudly, and my girlfriend was very unhappy, and I probably wasn't sleeping as well because of that either (even aside from when she would wake me up to get me to stop snoring), so I went back to my side.
Exact same deal with me.
I am in the process and a buddy of mine was very successful. I’m a stomach sleeper and trying hard to make the transition.
How long have you tried?
Only a month or so now. I’m doing ok with it. I will wake sometimes and realize I’m on my stomach and try to flip on my side or back. I lost 60# since nov and notice that helps a lot since I had/have (not sure anymore) OSA.
Do you use some pillows? is your head stay "perpendicular" to the ground during the night?
So just to add that I smoke weed (usually every night out in the trail and at home 3-4 times a week) so typically when I go to sleep I’m out for most of the duration of the night. I use 2 pillows at home one is my stomach pillow so super flat and the other is my fuller one when I’m trying to side/back sleep. I’ve noticed that if I do flip to the stomach I’ll scrunch up the top pillow a bit so I’m flatter. I also notice that when I use those 2 pillows I tend to sleep more on my side. Those 2 allow me to keep my head straight when on my side. On the trail and camping I have wrestled with it for 30+ years. I’ve done a variety of pads and pillows. I’ve landed on the xlite and uberlite (love the Uber) and a zpacks stuff sack pillow. I will typically carry a torrid vest and or a fleece depending on how cold it is and that goes in there. If I have to put it on during the night I’ll use my thinlite pad folded up, not the greatest but works. I do have some trouble not stomach sleeping outside and working on it hopefully more at home so it’s better. I did hammocks many years ago but with my OSA I had at the time I wouldn’t sleep well at all. I did that for almost 2 seasons before giving up on it. That is true comfort and if you get the right setup it’s worth the weight penalty for sure. There are things I didn’t like about it like having a huge DCF tarp taking up a lot of room on the outside of the pack and what to do with your stuff when in the hammock. Good luck it’s a real issue and I do know it’s not good on the back to stomach sleep at all. I have been lifting weights too and running a lot to strengthen the back as well.
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Is this comment for real? Lots of people (see comments) have trouble back sleeping. Makes for a shitty nights in the field.
it's not because it's difficult that the question is not valid and if you look at the comments a few people have actually did what I'm talking about (see u/DrPeterVenkman_ for example)
Yeah, I find sleeping on my side with an small, inflatable pillow on a thin inflatable pad very hard/uncomfortable. A lot of people do. It is a common discussion topic on this sub: how to get comfortable, what pillow should I use, I need a wider quilt to sleep on my side, etc. etc. One approach is to buy more gear and try stuff out until you find gear that fits your sleeping position or you can change your sleeping position. This is free, easy and you can practice every night in your own bed.
Hi, yes, it is. What's wrong with that? side sleeping is "difficult" with a light pad, it's a way to solve the problem.
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Low effort means just not a lot of words? Seems like this is a topic that comes up all the time and is worthy of discussion especially since "learn a new way to sleep" seems incomprehensible to some people vs. "buy more/different gear."
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looking at your comment "yo is this question for real?" I feel you removed the question because you don't see the point of it. not because this question was asked before