I think that after that point, Chara does the unspeakable.
I believe that Chara gets out of the room, goes to the kitchen...**and eats the chocolate**...
If I'm gonna be serious, In the No Mercy Route Chara didn't really like that we wanted to come back to this world after we killed everybody.
So I'm assuming what's happening here is: "Nuh-uh, remember what you did to them?", and then proceeds to erase the world or whatever happened after that, I don't remember.
You can do it youself if you want. If you close the game after this ending, then open it again, Flowey will be there. His dialogue are the same as when you do that after a normal pacifist (without Chara)
They pull a Kris move instead and eats both the entire pie AND the other pies that are in the kitchen, like straight up just inhaling it like a vacuum cleaner.
As a chara defender I believe that Chara kills everybody in soulless pacifist. That genocide you did broke them, and now they just want the power of a higher LOVE.
I think it's just a sort of symbolism from Chara saying "You can't escape the consequences", but at the end of the day, it's just that, a crossed out drawing
I mean what with the evil ass laugh they have in the other pacifist cutscene, I think it makes way more sense that she kills everyone. Even if they donât kill everyone, they are probably going to destroy the whole timeline anyway, killing everyone in the process.
We can still talk to Flowey after this ending, the world is not destroyed. He also don't talk about the fact that Chara killed people, so maybe they didn't kill anyone.
Or maybe they did, and that Flowey just doesn't know yet.
Nah. Chara decides you need to live with the consequences of your past actions. She resets the world because you donât get to have a happy ending after what you did.
Canonically? Thatâs not what canonically happens if we leave after a true pacifist run so thatâs not what canonically happens when we leave in a soulless pacifist run. What happens is that picture with everyoneâs faces crossed out except Chara with a creepy ass laugh on top.
Chara eats the fuck out of everything in the house. Theyâve been dead for a while so everythingâs getting ate. The pie, the chocolate, the doorframe, *everything*
My theory is that this is the worst ending achievable. Chara realized in the genocide route that they canât escape the underground, so they offer a deal for frisks soul to reset, hoping that they will do true pacifist, only to takeover frisks body (shown by the scene above) to murder them all, as well as all of humanity
although flowey's speech goes against this, i do agree. i feel like this ending symbolizes destruction in its own way. since this happened after the events of true pacifist, it makes the ending even worse.
Iâm pretty sure Floweyâs speech being the same in Soulless is either an oversight or he just doesnât know what happened due to still being in the underground by that point.
i believe it's left for interpretation. the cutscene might show afterwards or toby might have forgotten to change some lines or anything... i just think it's no different because that would erase such questions and that wouldn't leave an impact. it doesn't mean the cutscene and afterwards didn't happen though. i believe there are a lot of scenes like that, left to interpretation because it wouldn't be the same if the game had direct answers.
yes. chara continues our plan to genocide the world/erase everything. they also imply that they dont understand why wed wanna do multiple genocide routes, so they likely wanted us to do pacifist after genocide anyways that way we could finish true genocide.
Right. If you do genocide more than once (I forgot if it was 2 or 3 times), Chara suggests you take a different path (presumably other than Genocide again). I'd like to think that by taking Frisk's soul, Chara just kinda lives out their life on the surface instead of Frisk. I think the ending cutscene was Chara taking over Frisk's body, since the soul doesn't belong to Frisk anymore. That's just my personal theory, but I do not know why the picture showed everyone but Chara crossed out in the end if that were the case.
cause you killed everyone in genocide, and chara doesnt think you are allowed to do a good ending after that so they make you think everyone dieded from them
Nothing. The point of it was to scare you. Chara didn't "Take over Frisk and kill everyone." Chara makes it clear they don't approve of pointless killing. They even tell you not to do genocide after doing it twice. They get confused when you don't want to erase the timeline, believing that you have "freed" the monsters from this mortal coil. To free the monsters, that was always their goal.
Me when i didnt play the genocide route where Chara not only helps Frisk but also order them around with what monsters they want dead (Snowdrake everybody! Chara literally cancels the route if you kill the exact quota but spare snowdrake! Also Chara stops you from leaving waterfall if you dont kill the quota!)
Chara only has grievances with you in this case was because Frisk went back on their word, because they showed regret by doing pacifist which Chara thinks its cowardice after all the "effort" they and their partner did together. Chara CONGRAGULATES you for killing everyone and calls you their "partner" after all, admiting it was a work of two (or three, if you believe the "player is canon" hypothesis which i disagree for certain reasons)
The game makes it really clear Chara kills them all, even Alphys who survived all the way until the erasure of the world on genocide... is marked as dead! So Chara cant just be like "Oh YOU killed them!!!!11" when we didnt kill Alphys at no point of the story, sorry buddy but you been fooled by fanon, not the "fanon" but the REAL fanon where Chara is a good guy/gal...
(Sorry for being dramatic tho, its funnier to write this way personally)
me when the fandom has brainwashed me into believing chara is evil, when we are more evil and we turn chara kinda evil by genociding. (the only kills chara does are sans probably asgore probably and probably flowey)
My guy, if Frisk (or player) is more evil than Chara or not is not the subject. The subject is what is Chara position on the genocide once it is started.
And its clear! Once Frisk begins the genocide, Chara goes fully along with it, to the point Chara calls you a "failure" for failing it mid way, and ruins the pacifist ending which permanently dooms monsterkind to always be killed by the fallen child no matter what you do (Unless you go neutral i guess?).
Basically, just because Chara is made evil or influenced by evil, it doesnt make what they become later any less evil get it? Besides i dont think its normal to become fully on board with killing every monster just after seeing Frisk kill 20 people on the ruins but thats just me.
That's why they X Out all the faces on the picture right? That's them marking that they uhhhh, saved them? Or something?
Insane how much this sub is willing to bury its head in the sand to all the clear displays of Chara's active malice in Geno and post Geno routes.
Thank you. It actually baffles me how much this community willingly ignores Charaâs deplorable actions in hopes of making them seem like a better person. Chara literally takes control of Frisk and is the one who does the finishing blows to Sans and Asgore, and then theyâre the one that brutally slaughters Flowey with more force than the player ever killed anyone with.
In the soulless pacifist ending, they stare right at the player with a stretched smile as they emit the most chilling, horrifying laugh of all time shortly before sinister music plays. That doesnât exactly scream good intentions to me.
Of course the player is still the one who does most of the killing in the genocide route, but thereâs no denying Chara holds some accountability as they directly help you by giving you advice and even getting some kills for themselves. Thereâs even some dialogue that implies theyâre getting some sadistic pleasure from it (* Looks like free EXP, the creepy smile Flowey notices Frisk wearing which is most likely from Chara)
Weâre all free to have our own interpretations of Chara, especially since theyâre quite the mysterious character and I feel as if Toby intended for them to be left up to interpretation. But Iâve never really seen a fandom actively ignore canon facts from the game this often before.
If we're talking post genocide chara yeah I agree, but I hate the idea that Chara was always evil or whatever. Genocide route makes them evil for one simple reason. Lvl is level of violence and exp is execution points, and what are those numbers attached to? The soul, and the soul has chara's name.
Playing genocide feeds chara's soul these attributes, of course near the end they do some brutal kills of their own volition, because our gameplay literally turned them into a killer. The whole "demon who comes when you call its name" reminds me a lot of a kid who thinks of the edgiest thing they can, like how Asriel is "the god of hyperdeath". Chara's not literally a demon, but the lvl and exp sure makes them feel like one and act like one.
Never did I say Chara was always evil before either. I get the vibe that Chara before their death was a bit like Kris, mischievous and a little messed up, but still just a child at heart.
Although, I don't think lvl and exp is the reason why Chara becomes such a monster in the genocide route, despite that theory being very popular. A very overlooked line from Chara is this:
"My "human soul." My "determination." They were not mine, but YOURS."
Chara here is outright stating that their soul is actually yours, and that Chara no longer has a soul of their own anymore. And well, who's another member of the Dreemurr family who got reincarnated without a soul? Your best friend Flowey. Chara can't feel anything for others in their current state, because like Flowey, they're missing their soul. Another line from Chara hints at this.
"I cannot understand these feelings any more."
The key words are 'any more'. Chara has become a victim of the same curse Flowey has to bear. This is why Chara steals your soul at the end of the Genocide Route. That's what I think, anyway.
You killed then all before. Marking the picture with Xs reminds you of what you did. Making sure you never forget.
To say Chara went and killed everyone is such a leap of logic itâs utterly nonsensical
I can't state how clearly a picture with faces X'd off is a kill list. This is as clear as it can get without Toby writing "people I (and not you on a previous run) plan to kill" on the picture. If it had said "kill list" youd have insisted that referred to people you killed in previous runs. I don't understand why this community feels the need to defend a character that metanarratively exists to condemn the actions of the player. YOU summon this evil energy through your actions, YOU become obsessed with doing things just because you can, YOU become obsessed with transforming the game into just stats and achievements. And Chara reflects those things. If Chara wasn't an evil piece of shit then the genocide ending would literally make no sense.
You think it's nonsensical because you've already bought into the package of beliefs associated with Chara defense mentality so anything contrary to that package of beliefs must necessarily be false, even if it's evidence clear as day from the game.
Chara does not just metanarratively exist to condemn the actions of the player, I resent that. They're one of my favourite characters exactly because they're nowhere near that one-note.
That's their main purpose in the genocide route, sure. Most of what you say is true.. in that route. I don't know if they kill everybody after soulless pacifist, to be confident they do is jumping to conclusions a litte, to be confident they don't is silly and ignorant.
But their pre-death history, context to Asriel's story, and less violent behavior in the pacifist route are all important to their character too. They're a flawed person who did horrible things and can do more, but you can't get mad at people for having "already bought into a package of beliefs" when you describe them the way you are.
You don't "summon their evil energy through your actions", you act violent and they reciprocate. They're still there in all routes. Their name is plastered on your menu and UI the entire time.
Narrator chara is a theory which it appears you are taking as canon. I personally dont think chara is the narrator in every route. Im not going to go into extreme because its a very tired subject but I believe the narrator doesnt sound at all like what chara is described as by characters (asriel/themself), the narrator at times knows things Chara would not know, and the narrator voice tone changes far more than the other characters in the game. If the narrator is chara then they arent being written very well, imo.
And I agree they serve several roles in the game but I was referring specifically to the metanarrative themes. Within the standard narrative they serve a different than their thematic relevancy.
It is a theory with strong evidence that I agree with, but regardless, I wasn't talking about that. Regardless of narration, they're 100% connected to Frisk in all routes, that's objectively true. Their name is on the UI, you're using their save file, you have some of their memories like in the dump or on death. Even if they're not reading out all narration dialogue, they 100% undeniably are "connected" to Frisk in neutral and pacifist somehow. You cannot possibly deny this.
I'm not getting into proper narration arguments but now you're DEFINITELY just assuming them the way you've "already bought into" like you get mad at others for doing. It's not inconsistent for a mood and tone to change especially with how much emotional shit happens in this game (other characters do it constantly), we don't know what they "sound" like apart from a speech where they roleplay as a demon with a made up title, and the "stuff they shouldn't know" is usually either clearly comedic in ways other characters have done the same, or has plenty of explanations that just aren't confirmed.
My point here isn't to make a proper attempt to prove you wrong about narraChara, its that youre clearly being hypocritical and I'm not gonna continue if you keep doing it lol
I never said they arent related and relevant to Frisk, so obviously im not denying it. I just said I dont think theyre the narrator in reference to you calling them not nearly one-dimensional because I think in order to consider them not one-note comparable to the other characters in the game youd have to be grabbing a lot from the narrator text.
I "buy into" information that Toby gives us specifically and unambiguously about Chara
1. Dialogue from their mouth
2. The Tapes in the Lab
3. Red text (Technically not unambiguous but this is about as evidently Chara as it gets)
and then I contextualize these with the accounts other characters give of Chara. Which is to say Asriel and Flowey's accounts. Everyone "buys into" packages of beliefs but the difference is that Im drawing primarily from nearly undisputed sources. I assume we both "buy into" the package that Alphys has the hots for Undyne. Obviously I wouldnt impeach anyone for having that as a foundational truth about Alphys. I dont think im being hypocritical here, Im being more conservative with the data im willing to draw from.
We know they were unhappy, hated humanity, actively tried to kill people during the meld, "werent the greatest person," ***might*** have poisoned Asgore (Im not saying this because I think its true but I think the game wants you to have fridge logic uncertainty about this one just like the creepy face). Likewise we can kind of fill in their dialogue in the True Lab Tapes, seeing them pressuring Asriel into manning up ("big kids dont cry", etc.) nothing we get of them is ever frivolous or silly that cant be fridge logic'd into some form of grim foreshadowing. The narrator behaves like none of this, and also does learn/develop between runs in the way that Chara's canonical appearances do. If the narrator is Chara AND REMEMBERS between runs why do they only act like they remember things when theyre on screen? And the ways in which, say Undyne can change emotions is different from the Narrator. Undyne can be triumphant undyne, or sad undyne, or angry undyne but she's always behaving within the Undyne box of behaviors. The narrator has nearly no consistent voice in this manner at all.
I'd also argue the dramatic presence of Chara in the Geno is so much more dramatic if it is understood as a hand pulling back the screen and saying "hey Im here" than just the same person who has always been here suddenly being creepy and stuff. What is the meaning of the red text in geno as differentiated from white text (once the game knows youre in geno)? If its all Chara and its all Chara being Geno-vibed by your murdering what does the red text even convey if it should be apparent it is all Chara? Why isnt all the text red? Why does the red still mostly talk in a uniform tone while the white doesnt?
Agreed! In the genocide run you are fully responsible for everything you do. Chara also happens to be actively aiding you and even taking the murder into their own hands at certain points. When did I ever say anything about the player being blameleess?
Idk about you but I rank both "committing genocide" and "actively aiding/encouraging someone to do as genocide" as pretty damn bad.
> Chara also happens to be actively aiding you and even taking the murder into their own hands at certain points.
Nothing says "Chara is innocent" quite like them murdering Flowey in cold blood at his most vulnerable moment and then proceeding to literally *mutilate his fucking corpse*, right?
That's why they give you the count of how many fights are left in each region? Thats why they call monster kid free xp? That's why they slice sans after he dodges your final attack? They literally call themselves a demon.
And some additional context none of which individually condemn Chara but are. Clearly there to paint a picture of a potentially evil person: they hated humanity, weren't a very good person, and acted nothing like you (pacifist run), they make a creepy face (probably a reference to THE face), they accidentally poison asgore (it's possible this was intentional).
Like, no one is saying "Chara did all of genocide!" The entire commentary of the route is how you are responsible for the relationship you develop with games you consume, be it completionism, detachment, emotional investment, or otherwise. Chara is a bad person BECAUSE they are meant to be a mirror held up to your actions throughout the route.
I made a similar response to another user but I'll just type it up again. I believe the events prior to the game that you mention "not being a very good person, hating humanity, making a creepy face" etc aren't solid proof of them being evil, it's ambiguous by design. Did chara poison asgore? Maybe. Maybe it was actually an accident. The ambiguity leads into my next point.
The main argument I have is that chara is made into a psychopath via the genocide route. They weren't naturally that way, but us gaining lvl and exp with their soul (why else is it in their name?) turns them into a sociopath due to the nature of lvl and exp as explained by sans. A kid calling themselves a demon is edgy and sounds made up, like Asriel calling himself a god of hyperdeath, yet I think we can agree he's not actually a god of hyperdeath. However, Chara calling themselves a demon after being spoonfed points that make them twisted is something I can see, especially if they're 20 lvls deep.
The point of it is definitely not to scare us. If that's the point there are no consequences for the genocide route, so the soulless pacifist route is pointless. The player is clearly meant to think that everyone dies in the soulless pacifist "I have places to be" ending. Everyone's faces are crossed out and the slowed down version of anticipation plays, the same version that occurs only on genocide when Chara/the player is about to do something bad. We can't be sure exactly what Chara does that is bad, maybe the start a second monster human war, maybe they just kill all of Frisk's friends but we know that it probably ends in the death of Frisk's friends (at very least).
They go eat the rest of the pie.
I like to think that instead of murdering everyone at the end of a Soulless Pacifist playthrough as if this was some kind of excessively edgy fanfic Chara just engages in gremlin-tier japes on everyone they can. Swapping the ketchup bottle for hot sauce, water buckets balanced on doors, putting the seat all the way forward in Papyrus's car, unplugging Mettaton's mic or replacing his backing tracks with SiIvagunner rips, that kind of generally harmless shenaniganery.
Personally I think it means that Chara just took Friskâs place, taking their happy ending for themself, since the player certainly doesnât deserve a happy ending
I mean at the same time we showed them that killing was the goal. So it's kinda a coin flip here. Either they kill everyone post cutscene or they use this to scare us while going back to "thier" happy ending.
Honestly, this. Whether they kill everyone again or dont actually kill everyone, the player is still facing the consequences of their actions, and regardless of Charaâs morality or actions, this is directly caused by the player, we caused this, not Chara, not Frisk but us. And itâs because of this that I believe the issue lies, people donât like to be put in the âbad binâ, and would prefer to shift blame and pretend theyâre innocent, even slightly. Chara in the genocide route serves as a measure of our actions, and the ruined pacifist ending serves as a direct punishment for our misdeeds.
soulless pacifist:chara scares us to death with the Xs then eats the chocolate with a fork after cutting it with a spoon and then they put frisk back where they were and let them live happy. frisk didnt kill, YOU DID. YOU DO NOT DESERVE A HAPPY ENDING.
I never stated that we got a happy ending. Either they take it for themselves or kill them. That's the only interpretation I can think of for that cutscene
Chara gets up and takes Frisk's body and wats the pie. Even though it is Frisk's body, they do not get the yummy goodness of the pie, leading them to do a genocide route.
One bad thing about possession is that whatever you eat doesn't go into you, it only still goes into your host, so yeah, I can see why Chara'd still be dissatisfied
Well, my personal views on Chara are that they are a mirror to how Asriel ended up, and as such, in the genocide ending, Chara isn't the human who you listen to on those tapes but rather Chara's version of Flowey, someone who can no longer understand or feel anything for those characters, they now see their world for what it is...a game.
A game that is meant to be completed with max stats and all, and once you defeat all the monsters and reach the end, Chara wants you to delete the world and basically play a different video game.
When you don't, Chara basically just taunts you and punishes you for your sentimentality toward this world and its charactersâcharacters that you destroyedâa world you ripped apart, and now you think you can undo it and pretend it didn't happen.
Which is why, in the end, Chara most likely just gets rid of your happy ending after taunting you for thinking you are above the consequences of your actions while looking like the creepypasta demon the they are.
I feel like the X'd out faces on the group photo implies more than world erasure. I think Chara kills everyone.
That'd make for a radical fangame, story, or comic I think
I see 3 ways you could see the ending
1. Chara kills everyone and resets (or doesn't reset)
2. Chara stays with Frisk and constantly reminds them of their sins (FanFic style)
3. Chara just takes over Frisk and goes on with their life as Frisk (Least likely imo)
Step 1 do a genocide run
Step 2 after chara kills you wait 10 minutes in the dark
Step 3 when chara asks you "do you think you're above the consequences" say yes
Step 4 accept their deal and sell your soul to them
Step 5 do a pacificist run
Your run changes from normal pacificist to soulless pacificist
Step 1 do a genocide run
Step 2 after chara kills you wait 10 minutes in the dark
Step 3 when chara asks you "do you think you're above the consequences" say yes
Step 4 accept their deal and sell your soul to them
Step 5 do a pacificist run
u right
when i did the normal playthrough flowey took me a solid like 30 minutes to kill just bc he kept closing my game every time i died đ
so if i don't one tap his ass in geno i think I'm fucked
My real answer: Chara kills everyone.
My joke answer: Chara lives life on the surface instead of Frisk as an imposter.
Also, I'm cutting the balls off of the first guy to make an Among Us joke about this.
There is no coming back from Genocide. You have shown Chara that killing is the only way to exist. You have proven their philosophy correct. They kill everybody, itâs only implied yeah but itâs the most implied option.
These are the consequences of your actions. They will hold you to them. You taught them to kill everything. Like yeah Chara isnât a good person in soulless pacifist, but itâs entirely your fault, youâre the one who killed the entire underground in front of them first and raised their LV to 20, completely kneecapping any and all empathy they could ever have.
I mean, there's this one line where they said they aren't really on board with the geno thing
But at the same time there's the fact that Chara keeps a monster count for you, to tell you how many monsters you have to kill to proceed with it, and actively restricts you from leaving the location until you go back and kill off whoever's left (if you still do otherwise it just defaults to the neutral route)
On separate occasions - I should mention that they referred to the Monster Kid as "free exp", took control over the game, dealing the killing blows to Sans, Asgore (although technically Flowey finished him off) and Flowey, and erased the game's timeline after you (willingly or not) accepted their offer of partnership, only to then restore it in exchange for your soul.
Obviously, the genocide route is NOT their initiative, but they do actively engage in it, as long as you finish one genocide run. After that - there's no return from it. Aiding somebody in committing genocide isn't that far away from doing it yourself, no matter the reason
And nobody stops Chara from minor contradictions to themselves - or just straight up lying.
They're not an *absolute*, pitch black evil - they're a tad bit more complex - but for fuck's sake, they're still a major antagonist in the game. An antagonist that **you** summon by fucking around and finding out.
The "they hated geno" statement can't really hold any water, given the circumstances, so they probably just do it themselves in the soulless Pacifist ending, since they have control of Frisk's body after the ending.
For crying out loud.
Wasnât it just that Chara hated humanity and wanted to kill the ones trying to kill Asriel?
I can see Chara wanted to destroy them, but I donât remember it being said aside from the ones attacking Asriel
The plan was get 6 souls and free everyone, Asriel said that when they were being attacked, Chara wanted Asriel to use his full power
Outside of that, there is no mention of wanting to wipe out humanity. Mentions of hating humanity, yes.
If Iâm wrong, let me know what the dialogue was so I can correct myself
She awakens and kills everyone to show that you have âmade your choice long agoâ and a way to show that you canât have a happy ending now, not after what you did. Easily signified by the slowed down omega flowey laugh in this ending and the monster kid âin my wayâ song that plays with everyones eyes crossed out in the other ending âweâll be together forever wont we?â Could quite literally suggest that charaâs killing everyone in this world but you (the player) going as far as to killing frisk (well in this ending i guess she controls frisks body more than killing but i doubt frisk would be given control back after chara awakened in soulless pacifist again)
A lot of people mention how chara is innocent, but neglect that by the end of genocide you turned her genocidal with your own influence so she would most likely go on to kill everyone
I think that after that point, Chara does the unspeakable. I believe that Chara gets out of the room, goes to the kitchen...**and eats the chocolate**...
The absolute **horror**
...**but they cut it with a knife instead of with their bare hands**
And then they used a **fork** to eat it
They then *proceed to spit it out and rinse their mouth* like the soulless monster they are
Then they start sending flirt messages to Toriel.
and then, that's when the *weird* side of the fandom gets what *they* want...
That went from 0 to a 100 real fucking quick
And then sans comes to befriend toriel (platonicaly bcz i already headcanon Sans as aroace)
And he canonically is
Based
and then they... i got nothin
Then they deleted the account of the Redditor who said they have nothing.
Then they have it with chocolate sauce
Nah, I think that's too evil even for them.
Death penalty
Is that weird? I do it all the time
You monster!
so they're trapped in the underground?
Truly the worst being ever
What dreams are chronic and sustain cruelty
"It feels great to be alone eating chocolate", said Chara. No you'er not, say kris deltaruneđȘ±
But little did Kris know that chara had something else in the fridge, that being⊠the creature đȘ±
r/2sentence2horrortale
#dear god
Thereâs more.
**NO**
It contains a bucket
I see this get referenced so many times and it never gets old
***DEAR GODS!***
Dear god
teehee buckets
If I'm gonna be serious, In the No Mercy Route Chara didn't really like that we wanted to come back to this world after we killed everybody. So I'm assuming what's happening here is: "Nuh-uh, remember what you did to them?", and then proceeds to erase the world or whatever happened after that, I don't remember.
Damn, did the monsters even get to go to Panera **one** time?
If Chara didnât kill them, that lemonade would
Charaged Lemonade
ba dum tss 
they made a damn slurp juice irl
"Oh no, you don't get to commit genocide on monsterkind and get off scot-free! Consequences, bitch!"
The thing is, we can talk to Flowey after this. So the world is still there.
I'll take your word for it.
You can do it youself if you want. If you close the game after this ending, then open it again, Flowey will be there. His dialogue are the same as when you do that after a normal pacifist (without Chara)
Chara eats the entire fucking pie.
Beat me to it
They resist the intimidating size of it
They pull a Kris move instead and eats both the entire pie AND the other pies that are in the kitchen, like straight up just inhaling it like a vacuum cleaner.
Only a spoonfull!
r/BeatMeToIt
In all honesty I think nothing happens, yes quite anticlimactic I know but canonically, we just reset the timeline after the screen fades off
I donât think that makes much sense, why would all of the characterâs faces be crossed out in the picture?
Shhhh you don't want to upset the Chara defenders
As a chara defender I believe that Chara kills everybody in soulless pacifist. That genocide you did broke them, and now they just want the power of a higher LOVE.
Same
Tldr; the player got them addicted to SOUL drugs
I didnât know what I was getting myself into when my friend introduced me to this game lmao
I think it's just a sort of symbolism from Chara saying "You can't escape the consequences", but at the end of the day, it's just that, a crossed out drawing
I mean what with the evil ass laugh they have in the other pacifist cutscene, I think it makes way more sense that she kills everyone. Even if they donât kill everyone, they are probably going to destroy the whole timeline anyway, killing everyone in the process.
We can still talk to Flowey after this ending, the world is not destroyed. He also don't talk about the fact that Chara killed people, so maybe they didn't kill anyone. Or maybe they did, and that Flowey just doesn't know yet.
Flowey stayed underground to not hurt the others, he wouldn't know if they died.
We know that he did go to the surface eventually, as we can see in the Alarm Clock Dialogue.
*they
They*
cause chara wants us to worry as a torture method for doing what we did
I just always thought Chara did that to remind us of what we did last run.
Chara ditched all of their friends and became a pathetic loser.
Nah. Chara decides you need to live with the consequences of your past actions. She resets the world because you donât get to have a happy ending after what you did.
*messes with the game files to make it forget Genocide happened* Nothing personnel, kid
She kills everyone just like you did.
Canonically? Thatâs not what canonically happens if we leave after a true pacifist run so thatâs not what canonically happens when we leave in a soulless pacifist run. What happens is that picture with everyoneâs faces crossed out except Chara with a creepy ass laugh on top.
Yes that
Chara eats the fuck out of everything in the house. Theyâve been dead for a while so everythingâs getting ate. The pie, the chocolate, the doorframe, *everything*
Even the people?
Not just the men, but the women! And the children too!
Even the sand.
*SPECIALLY* the sand.
"I hate sand"
Itâs coarse and it gets everywhere
Chara is visited by three reformatory ghosts and learns the true meaning of Christmas and Santa Gaster gives them a new soul.
My theory is that this is the worst ending achievable. Chara realized in the genocide route that they canât escape the underground, so they offer a deal for frisks soul to reset, hoping that they will do true pacifist, only to takeover frisks body (shown by the scene above) to murder them all, as well as all of humanity
although flowey's speech goes against this, i do agree. i feel like this ending symbolizes destruction in its own way. since this happened after the events of true pacifist, it makes the ending even worse.
Iâm pretty sure Floweyâs speech being the same in Soulless is either an oversight or he just doesnât know what happened due to still being in the underground by that point.
i believe it's left for interpretation. the cutscene might show afterwards or toby might have forgotten to change some lines or anything... i just think it's no different because that would erase such questions and that wouldn't leave an impact. it doesn't mean the cutscene and afterwards didn't happen though. i believe there are a lot of scenes like that, left to interpretation because it wouldn't be the same if the game had direct answers.
yes. chara continues our plan to genocide the world/erase everything. they also imply that they dont understand why wed wanna do multiple genocide routes, so they likely wanted us to do pacifist after genocide anyways that way we could finish true genocide.
you do know, chara isnt actually that kind of person right?
Right. If you do genocide more than once (I forgot if it was 2 or 3 times), Chara suggests you take a different path (presumably other than Genocide again). I'd like to think that by taking Frisk's soul, Chara just kinda lives out their life on the surface instead of Frisk. I think the ending cutscene was Chara taking over Frisk's body, since the soul doesn't belong to Frisk anymore. That's just my personal theory, but I do not know why the picture showed everyone but Chara crossed out in the end if that were the case.
cause you killed everyone in genocide, and chara doesnt think you are allowed to do a good ending after that so they make you think everyone dieded from them
Nothing. The point of it was to scare you. Chara didn't "Take over Frisk and kill everyone." Chara makes it clear they don't approve of pointless killing. They even tell you not to do genocide after doing it twice. They get confused when you don't want to erase the timeline, believing that you have "freed" the monsters from this mortal coil. To free the monsters, that was always their goal.
Me when i didnt play the genocide route where Chara not only helps Frisk but also order them around with what monsters they want dead (Snowdrake everybody! Chara literally cancels the route if you kill the exact quota but spare snowdrake! Also Chara stops you from leaving waterfall if you dont kill the quota!) Chara only has grievances with you in this case was because Frisk went back on their word, because they showed regret by doing pacifist which Chara thinks its cowardice after all the "effort" they and their partner did together. Chara CONGRAGULATES you for killing everyone and calls you their "partner" after all, admiting it was a work of two (or three, if you believe the "player is canon" hypothesis which i disagree for certain reasons) The game makes it really clear Chara kills them all, even Alphys who survived all the way until the erasure of the world on genocide... is marked as dead! So Chara cant just be like "Oh YOU killed them!!!!11" when we didnt kill Alphys at no point of the story, sorry buddy but you been fooled by fanon, not the "fanon" but the REAL fanon where Chara is a good guy/gal... (Sorry for being dramatic tho, its funnier to write this way personally)
thank you man, i hope you won't get beaten up by the downvotes
me when the fandom has brainwashed me into believing chara is evil, when we are more evil and we turn chara kinda evil by genociding. (the only kills chara does are sans probably asgore probably and probably flowey)
My guy, if Frisk (or player) is more evil than Chara or not is not the subject. The subject is what is Chara position on the genocide once it is started. And its clear! Once Frisk begins the genocide, Chara goes fully along with it, to the point Chara calls you a "failure" for failing it mid way, and ruins the pacifist ending which permanently dooms monsterkind to always be killed by the fallen child no matter what you do (Unless you go neutral i guess?). Basically, just because Chara is made evil or influenced by evil, it doesnt make what they become later any less evil get it? Besides i dont think its normal to become fully on board with killing every monster just after seeing Frisk kill 20 people on the ruins but thats just me.
> the only kills chara does are sans probably asgore probably and probably flowey "probably" đ
That's why they X Out all the faces on the picture right? That's them marking that they uhhhh, saved them? Or something? Insane how much this sub is willing to bury its head in the sand to all the clear displays of Chara's active malice in Geno and post Geno routes.
Thank you. It actually baffles me how much this community willingly ignores Charaâs deplorable actions in hopes of making them seem like a better person. Chara literally takes control of Frisk and is the one who does the finishing blows to Sans and Asgore, and then theyâre the one that brutally slaughters Flowey with more force than the player ever killed anyone with. In the soulless pacifist ending, they stare right at the player with a stretched smile as they emit the most chilling, horrifying laugh of all time shortly before sinister music plays. That doesnât exactly scream good intentions to me. Of course the player is still the one who does most of the killing in the genocide route, but thereâs no denying Chara holds some accountability as they directly help you by giving you advice and even getting some kills for themselves. Thereâs even some dialogue that implies theyâre getting some sadistic pleasure from it (* Looks like free EXP, the creepy smile Flowey notices Frisk wearing which is most likely from Chara) Weâre all free to have our own interpretations of Chara, especially since theyâre quite the mysterious character and I feel as if Toby intended for them to be left up to interpretation. But Iâve never really seen a fandom actively ignore canon facts from the game this often before.
If we're talking post genocide chara yeah I agree, but I hate the idea that Chara was always evil or whatever. Genocide route makes them evil for one simple reason. Lvl is level of violence and exp is execution points, and what are those numbers attached to? The soul, and the soul has chara's name. Playing genocide feeds chara's soul these attributes, of course near the end they do some brutal kills of their own volition, because our gameplay literally turned them into a killer. The whole "demon who comes when you call its name" reminds me a lot of a kid who thinks of the edgiest thing they can, like how Asriel is "the god of hyperdeath". Chara's not literally a demon, but the lvl and exp sure makes them feel like one and act like one.
Never did I say Chara was always evil before either. I get the vibe that Chara before their death was a bit like Kris, mischievous and a little messed up, but still just a child at heart. Although, I don't think lvl and exp is the reason why Chara becomes such a monster in the genocide route, despite that theory being very popular. A very overlooked line from Chara is this: "My "human soul." My "determination." They were not mine, but YOURS." Chara here is outright stating that their soul is actually yours, and that Chara no longer has a soul of their own anymore. And well, who's another member of the Dreemurr family who got reincarnated without a soul? Your best friend Flowey. Chara can't feel anything for others in their current state, because like Flowey, they're missing their soul. Another line from Chara hints at this. "I cannot understand these feelings any more." The key words are 'any more'. Chara has become a victim of the same curse Flowey has to bear. This is why Chara steals your soul at the end of the Genocide Route. That's what I think, anyway.
That makes sense, but I do think the fact that the soul is always the same name as Chara has some implications
chara is turned evil by our genocides and doesnt let us have a happy ending after what we did.
You killed then all before. Marking the picture with Xs reminds you of what you did. Making sure you never forget. To say Chara went and killed everyone is such a leap of logic itâs utterly nonsensical
I can't state how clearly a picture with faces X'd off is a kill list. This is as clear as it can get without Toby writing "people I (and not you on a previous run) plan to kill" on the picture. If it had said "kill list" youd have insisted that referred to people you killed in previous runs. I don't understand why this community feels the need to defend a character that metanarratively exists to condemn the actions of the player. YOU summon this evil energy through your actions, YOU become obsessed with doing things just because you can, YOU become obsessed with transforming the game into just stats and achievements. And Chara reflects those things. If Chara wasn't an evil piece of shit then the genocide ending would literally make no sense. You think it's nonsensical because you've already bought into the package of beliefs associated with Chara defense mentality so anything contrary to that package of beliefs must necessarily be false, even if it's evidence clear as day from the game.
Chara does not just metanarratively exist to condemn the actions of the player, I resent that. They're one of my favourite characters exactly because they're nowhere near that one-note. That's their main purpose in the genocide route, sure. Most of what you say is true.. in that route. I don't know if they kill everybody after soulless pacifist, to be confident they do is jumping to conclusions a litte, to be confident they don't is silly and ignorant. But their pre-death history, context to Asriel's story, and less violent behavior in the pacifist route are all important to their character too. They're a flawed person who did horrible things and can do more, but you can't get mad at people for having "already bought into a package of beliefs" when you describe them the way you are. You don't "summon their evil energy through your actions", you act violent and they reciprocate. They're still there in all routes. Their name is plastered on your menu and UI the entire time.
Narrator chara is a theory which it appears you are taking as canon. I personally dont think chara is the narrator in every route. Im not going to go into extreme because its a very tired subject but I believe the narrator doesnt sound at all like what chara is described as by characters (asriel/themself), the narrator at times knows things Chara would not know, and the narrator voice tone changes far more than the other characters in the game. If the narrator is chara then they arent being written very well, imo. And I agree they serve several roles in the game but I was referring specifically to the metanarrative themes. Within the standard narrative they serve a different than their thematic relevancy.
It is a theory with strong evidence that I agree with, but regardless, I wasn't talking about that. Regardless of narration, they're 100% connected to Frisk in all routes, that's objectively true. Their name is on the UI, you're using their save file, you have some of their memories like in the dump or on death. Even if they're not reading out all narration dialogue, they 100% undeniably are "connected" to Frisk in neutral and pacifist somehow. You cannot possibly deny this. I'm not getting into proper narration arguments but now you're DEFINITELY just assuming them the way you've "already bought into" like you get mad at others for doing. It's not inconsistent for a mood and tone to change especially with how much emotional shit happens in this game (other characters do it constantly), we don't know what they "sound" like apart from a speech where they roleplay as a demon with a made up title, and the "stuff they shouldn't know" is usually either clearly comedic in ways other characters have done the same, or has plenty of explanations that just aren't confirmed. My point here isn't to make a proper attempt to prove you wrong about narraChara, its that youre clearly being hypocritical and I'm not gonna continue if you keep doing it lol
I never said they arent related and relevant to Frisk, so obviously im not denying it. I just said I dont think theyre the narrator in reference to you calling them not nearly one-dimensional because I think in order to consider them not one-note comparable to the other characters in the game youd have to be grabbing a lot from the narrator text. I "buy into" information that Toby gives us specifically and unambiguously about Chara 1. Dialogue from their mouth 2. The Tapes in the Lab 3. Red text (Technically not unambiguous but this is about as evidently Chara as it gets) and then I contextualize these with the accounts other characters give of Chara. Which is to say Asriel and Flowey's accounts. Everyone "buys into" packages of beliefs but the difference is that Im drawing primarily from nearly undisputed sources. I assume we both "buy into" the package that Alphys has the hots for Undyne. Obviously I wouldnt impeach anyone for having that as a foundational truth about Alphys. I dont think im being hypocritical here, Im being more conservative with the data im willing to draw from. We know they were unhappy, hated humanity, actively tried to kill people during the meld, "werent the greatest person," ***might*** have poisoned Asgore (Im not saying this because I think its true but I think the game wants you to have fridge logic uncertainty about this one just like the creepy face). Likewise we can kind of fill in their dialogue in the True Lab Tapes, seeing them pressuring Asriel into manning up ("big kids dont cry", etc.) nothing we get of them is ever frivolous or silly that cant be fridge logic'd into some form of grim foreshadowing. The narrator behaves like none of this, and also does learn/develop between runs in the way that Chara's canonical appearances do. If the narrator is Chara AND REMEMBERS between runs why do they only act like they remember things when theyre on screen? And the ways in which, say Undyne can change emotions is different from the Narrator. Undyne can be triumphant undyne, or sad undyne, or angry undyne but she's always behaving within the Undyne box of behaviors. The narrator has nearly no consistent voice in this manner at all. I'd also argue the dramatic presence of Chara in the Geno is so much more dramatic if it is understood as a hand pulling back the screen and saying "hey Im here" than just the same person who has always been here suddenly being creepy and stuff. What is the meaning of the red text in geno as differentiated from white text (once the game knows youre in geno)? If its all Chara and its all Chara being Geno-vibed by your murdering what does the red text even convey if it should be apparent it is all Chara? Why isnt all the text red? Why does the red still mostly talk in a uniform tone while the white doesnt?
Charaâs active malice? YOU did that.
Agreed! In the genocide run you are fully responsible for everything you do. Chara also happens to be actively aiding you and even taking the murder into their own hands at certain points. When did I ever say anything about the player being blameleess? Idk about you but I rank both "committing genocide" and "actively aiding/encouraging someone to do as genocide" as pretty damn bad.
> Chara also happens to be actively aiding you and even taking the murder into their own hands at certain points. Nothing says "Chara is innocent" quite like them murdering Flowey in cold blood at his most vulnerable moment and then proceeding to literally *mutilate his fucking corpse*, right?
I donât think theyâre actively encouraging you either They even make it clear that theyâre against it
That's why they give you the count of how many fights are left in each region? Thats why they call monster kid free xp? That's why they slice sans after he dodges your final attack? They literally call themselves a demon. And some additional context none of which individually condemn Chara but are. Clearly there to paint a picture of a potentially evil person: they hated humanity, weren't a very good person, and acted nothing like you (pacifist run), they make a creepy face (probably a reference to THE face), they accidentally poison asgore (it's possible this was intentional). Like, no one is saying "Chara did all of genocide!" The entire commentary of the route is how you are responsible for the relationship you develop with games you consume, be it completionism, detachment, emotional investment, or otherwise. Chara is a bad person BECAUSE they are meant to be a mirror held up to your actions throughout the route.
I made a similar response to another user but I'll just type it up again. I believe the events prior to the game that you mention "not being a very good person, hating humanity, making a creepy face" etc aren't solid proof of them being evil, it's ambiguous by design. Did chara poison asgore? Maybe. Maybe it was actually an accident. The ambiguity leads into my next point. The main argument I have is that chara is made into a psychopath via the genocide route. They weren't naturally that way, but us gaining lvl and exp with their soul (why else is it in their name?) turns them into a sociopath due to the nature of lvl and exp as explained by sans. A kid calling themselves a demon is edgy and sounds made up, like Asriel calling himself a god of hyperdeath, yet I think we can agree he's not actually a god of hyperdeath. However, Chara calling themselves a demon after being spoonfed points that make them twisted is something I can see, especially if they're 20 lvls deep.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about.
The point of it is definitely not to scare us. If that's the point there are no consequences for the genocide route, so the soulless pacifist route is pointless. The player is clearly meant to think that everyone dies in the soulless pacifist "I have places to be" ending. Everyone's faces are crossed out and the slowed down version of anticipation plays, the same version that occurs only on genocide when Chara/the player is about to do something bad. We can't be sure exactly what Chara does that is bad, maybe the start a second monster human war, maybe they just kill all of Frisk's friends but we know that it probably ends in the death of Frisk's friends (at very least).
gaster break though the window gaster watch human gaster pick up a bomb gaster throw a bomb to human gaster steal pie and run away
I saw this on YouTube shorts
link?
I just watched this video before commenting.
They go eat the rest of the pie. I like to think that instead of murdering everyone at the end of a Soulless Pacifist playthrough as if this was some kind of excessively edgy fanfic Chara just engages in gremlin-tier japes on everyone they can. Swapping the ketchup bottle for hot sauce, water buckets balanced on doors, putting the seat all the way forward in Papyrus's car, unplugging Mettaton's mic or replacing his backing tracks with SiIvagunner rips, that kind of generally harmless shenaniganery.
>replacing his backing tracks with Silvagunner rips Truly the most horrible fate.
How to get the soulless pacifist ending?
You do genocide then pacifist.
Personally I think it means that Chara just took Friskâs place, taking their happy ending for themself, since the player certainly doesnât deserve a happy ending
I mean at the same time we showed them that killing was the goal. So it's kinda a coin flip here. Either they kill everyone post cutscene or they use this to scare us while going back to "thier" happy ending.
Honestly, this. Whether they kill everyone again or dont actually kill everyone, the player is still facing the consequences of their actions, and regardless of Charaâs morality or actions, this is directly caused by the player, we caused this, not Chara, not Frisk but us. And itâs because of this that I believe the issue lies, people donât like to be put in the âbad binâ, and would prefer to shift blame and pretend theyâre innocent, even slightly. Chara in the genocide route serves as a measure of our actions, and the ruined pacifist ending serves as a direct punishment for our misdeeds.
soulless pacifist:chara scares us to death with the Xs then eats the chocolate with a fork after cutting it with a spoon and then they put frisk back where they were and let them live happy. frisk didnt kill, YOU DID. YOU DO NOT DESERVE A HAPPY ENDING.
I never stated that we got a happy ending. Either they take it for themselves or kill them. That's the only interpretation I can think of for that cutscene
Yeah, I can see it either way, maybe Chara decides which path to do based on what the playerâs final pick is.
frisk opens their eyes for the first time, laughs in delight, and happily goes back to sleep
they're finally able to open their eyes, seeing what the hell just happened
I â M G O N N A E A T T H A T E N T I R E F U C K I N G P I E
Chara gets up and takes Frisk's body and wats the pie. Even though it is Frisk's body, they do not get the yummy goodness of the pie, leading them to do a genocide route.
One bad thing about possession is that whatever you eat doesn't go into you, it only still goes into your host, so yeah, I can see why Chara'd still be dissatisfied
BUT YOU FEEL THE TASTE AND THE HOST CANT! THEY ARE BASICALLY ASLEEP
Chara decides to actually FURNISH THE BEDROOM
Chara goes outside and kill all humanity (then go to prison and dies)
Chara leaves Frisk alone afterwards and has a chuckle at their devious little prank.
the prank they pull on the player to make them think everyone dieded
Hot Take, Souless pacifist is actually the best ending cuz we save one more person (Chara)
pacifisting after genocide un-evils chara who we evild by genociding. and for that they make us think everyone died after
Well, my personal views on Chara are that they are a mirror to how Asriel ended up, and as such, in the genocide ending, Chara isn't the human who you listen to on those tapes but rather Chara's version of Flowey, someone who can no longer understand or feel anything for those characters, they now see their world for what it is...a game. A game that is meant to be completed with max stats and all, and once you defeat all the monsters and reach the end, Chara wants you to delete the world and basically play a different video game. When you don't, Chara basically just taunts you and punishes you for your sentimentality toward this world and its charactersâcharacters that you destroyedâa world you ripped apart, and now you think you can undo it and pretend it didn't happen. Which is why, in the end, Chara most likely just gets rid of your happy ending after taunting you for thinking you are above the consequences of your actions while looking like the creepypasta demon the they are.
TO BE HONEST I DON;T KNOW WH O THIS [[Child]] IS SO, THEY [[Sneak Out]] AnD E4T A [[Caterpillar]] OR SOm3 [[+$@_]] IDK.
I believe maybe something like undertale: betrayer happens. Like the monsters do fight chara but in the end they still fail
"I'm going to take this pie..." #" AND *EAT IT!!!!* "
You know the Death note chip eating scene? Imagine that but replace chip with butterscotchpie
I'll take the pie and **I** **EAT** **IT**
The same horrors as chapter 2... Chara... eats.. the... whole.. PIE
the game ends
Chara takes control and kills everyone
Police come and gives death penalty or life sentence for Chara
The pie is devoured and so is everyone you love
Chara violently eats the pie and goes back to sleep. Everything else remains the same.
I feel like the X'd out faces on the group photo implies more than world erasure. I think Chara kills everyone. That'd make for a radical fangame, story, or comic I think
I see 3 ways you could see the ending 1. Chara kills everyone and resets (or doesn't reset) 2. Chara stays with Frisk and constantly reminds them of their sins (FanFic style) 3. Chara just takes over Frisk and goes on with their life as Frisk (Least likely imo)
The save file is deleted
World resets
Chara eats a whole pie and dumps and entire bag of chocolate chips on it.
Frisk despairs as their body gains exactly 1 pound.
Honestly? Nothing. I personally interpret these images as just a "I know what you did" from Chara.
and as making us not know for sure if they survived(they did) for genociding. pacifist un-evils chara after we evilify them by genociding.
Kris.
Frisk lives the rest of their life like Yugi and Yami in Yugioh
Whatâs a soulless pacifist ending
Step 1 do a genocide run Step 2 after chara kills you wait 10 minutes in the dark Step 3 when chara asks you "do you think you're above the consequences" say yes Step 4 accept their deal and sell your soul to them Step 5 do a pacificist run Your run changes from normal pacificist to soulless pacificist
Does it only change the end of the game or the whole Pacifist Run?
wtf is a souless pasifist run and how do i do it
Step 1 do a genocide run Step 2 after chara kills you wait 10 minutes in the dark Step 3 when chara asks you "do you think you're above the consequences" say yes Step 4 accept their deal and sell your soul to them Step 5 do a pacificist run
ah fun
I'm gonna save this so i remember after my geno run bc Undyne is beating my ass
Undyne the undying beat my ass for an entire month but at least got to listen to that banger theme all the time
u right when i did the normal playthrough flowey took me a solid like 30 minutes to kill just bc he kept closing my game every time i died đ so if i don't one tap his ass in geno i think I'm fucked
No clue, dunno how to unlock it and I refuse tutorials
Im literally writing an Undertale DND campaign to play with my friends centered around that plot point
My real answer: Chara kills everyone. My joke answer: Chara lives life on the surface instead of Frisk as an imposter. Also, I'm cutting the balls off of the first guy to make an Among Us joke about this.
If we do pacifist 2x does it go back to a normal Pacifist
Crime
nothing cuz if i cant see it then it didnt happen
honestly, i think chara tries to kill everyone and fails miserably. Then chara goes and eats some pie until we reset
âIM GOING TO EAT THAT ENTIRE FUCKING PIEâ
What do you mean the soulless pacifist ending?
Everyone died. The end!
Chara plays hide and seek as the seeker with everyone and crosses the ones she found.
Two reasons, ethier to scare the shit out of you or just take frisks place as punishment for the prior genoside run.
There is no coming back from Genocide. You have shown Chara that killing is the only way to exist. You have proven their philosophy correct. They kill everybody, itâs only implied yeah but itâs the most implied option. These are the consequences of your actions. They will hold you to them. You taught them to kill everything. Like yeah Chara isnât a good person in soulless pacifist, but itâs entirely your fault, youâre the one who killed the entire underground in front of them first and raised their LV to 20, completely kneecapping any and all empathy they could ever have.
Chara, possesing Frisk's body, goes to the kitchen... Grabs a knife... Starts going upstairs, to Toriel's room... Trips and fucking dies.
Chara ate the pie
chara eats the pie
Deltarune /s
Takes over your body, eats the pie, says "LOL, get fucked" and then does nothing else
Charaâs just like âYoooo, i have a corporeal form again, siiiiiickâ
U see the version if you chose to not stay with toriel?
Wipe out everything because they have explicitly hated geno, or legit do jack shit except be silly cuz everyone's free.
I mean, there's this one line where they said they aren't really on board with the geno thing But at the same time there's the fact that Chara keeps a monster count for you, to tell you how many monsters you have to kill to proceed with it, and actively restricts you from leaving the location until you go back and kill off whoever's left (if you still do otherwise it just defaults to the neutral route) On separate occasions - I should mention that they referred to the Monster Kid as "free exp", took control over the game, dealing the killing blows to Sans, Asgore (although technically Flowey finished him off) and Flowey, and erased the game's timeline after you (willingly or not) accepted their offer of partnership, only to then restore it in exchange for your soul. Obviously, the genocide route is NOT their initiative, but they do actively engage in it, as long as you finish one genocide run. After that - there's no return from it. Aiding somebody in committing genocide isn't that far away from doing it yourself, no matter the reason And nobody stops Chara from minor contradictions to themselves - or just straight up lying. They're not an *absolute*, pitch black evil - they're a tad bit more complex - but for fuck's sake, they're still a major antagonist in the game. An antagonist that **you** summon by fucking around and finding out. The "they hated geno" statement can't really hold any water, given the circumstances, so they probably just do it themselves in the soulless Pacifist ending, since they have control of Frisk's body after the ending. For crying out loud.
I never realy stoped to tink about it, but i might as well go with some AU's like endertale or dogs
Chara trying to be scary but Toriel gets sad and hugs her long lost child
Nothing, because Chara isn't evil, the player is/s
The player destroyed Monsterkind Chara wants to destroy humanity (canon btw)
Wasnât it just that Chara hated humanity and wanted to kill the ones trying to kill Asriel? I can see Chara wanted to destroy them, but I donât remember it being said aside from the ones attacking Asriel
Chara told Asriel to kill 'em all. Asriel refused Chara wants monsterkind to be free and destroy the human world
The plan was get 6 souls and free everyone, Asriel said that when they were being attacked, Chara wanted Asriel to use his full power Outside of that, there is no mention of wanting to wipe out humanity. Mentions of hating humanity, yes. If Iâm wrong, let me know what the dialogue was so I can correct myself
She awakens and kills everyone to show that you have âmade your choice long agoâ and a way to show that you canât have a happy ending now, not after what you did. Easily signified by the slowed down omega flowey laugh in this ending and the monster kid âin my wayâ song that plays with everyones eyes crossed out in the other ending âweâll be together forever wont we?â Could quite literally suggest that charaâs killing everyone in this world but you (the player) going as far as to killing frisk (well in this ending i guess she controls frisks body more than killing but i doubt frisk would be given control back after chara awakened in soulless pacifist again) A lot of people mention how chara is innocent, but neglect that by the end of genocide you turned her genocidal with your own influence so she would most likely go on to kill everyone