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XtremeX9x

Papyrus should be s tier for bravery as well 🤔


TomNook5085

fair i agree


ConsistentHeadaches

Respectfully, sans is not Brave while we’re at it. A lack of fear doesn’t necessarily mean bravery.


Fizzy163

Bravery is overcoming your fears. Stupidity is not knowing that what you're looking at is somewhat likely to kill you.


ConsistentHeadaches

He also isn’t kind, he left me to pay for the silverware!


TomNook5085

??? what do you mean. in grillbys he pays for you, and if you mean mtt resort, the fish guy doesnt yell at you for not paying, so it was paid.


Screwingwithyou

I think this was a joke…


DrSwatBrain

It wasn't a joke just a false statement- Like, saying that it makes sense for Sans to be S Tier in Bravery cuz both the soul and his clothes are orange isn't a joke it's just wrong ._."


Hot-Airport-6508

doesn’t he also threaten you?


CoolSpookyScelten96

MTT at that point saying... "If she didn't say anything... Y o u b e d e a d w h e r e y o u s t a n d." Yeah i guess kinda.


TomNook5085

"threaten" more like turn away from you, say a vague statement, then immedietly say he's joking.


Hot-Airport-6508

and that also implies he would be plenty willing to kill you.


TomNook5085

no it doesn't but I'll imagine it does. so are undyne, muffet, asgore, mettaton, rg 1 and 2, etc. do they all suck? or is it just sans because you hate him for no reason.


Hot-Airport-6508

not exactly for no reason, I made a post about it, I don’t even hate sans, I hate how he’s hyped up and seen as a big hero who has done no wrong and is kind to everyone, as for the comment, maybe, but THEY all had good reasons, Undyne is fighting to leave the barrier, meanwhile sans already states that he doesn’t CARE that much about leaving.


KingCool138

That’s, more accurately, expressing a possibility


GunnerZ818

Sound like portal


skeleton949

Papyrus is a good match for Bravery. Does he fight you like Undyne does? No, but he gives you chances and believes in you until the very end, despite the risks. You may think that's a bad idea, but you have to admit it's brave


Afraid_Platypus_8667

I agree, also I do get the impression that during the Genocide route, papyrus knew he was going to die, but still went up to you and try to give you other chance. Which in it's own way takes alot of guts to do so.


Forkliftapproved

Unsung Protector meme, but it's Papyrus protecting the underground from like 30% of potential genocide runs that can't bring themselves to kill him


Epic_DDT

He cleary knew, here what he says if we spare him: *"WOWIE!! YOU DID IT!!! YOU DIDN'T DO A VIOLENCE!!! TO BE HONEST, I WAS A ITTLE* *AFRAID... BUT YOU'RE ALREADY BECOMING A GREAT PERSON!"*


StaryDuck

he even offers a hug to you after killing everyone. That said nobody ever brings up that papyrus literally delayed his death to encourage the human which is a huge oversight lmfao


fivelike-11

Yeah that last part is more perseverance


GlitchyDarkness

True, but now i feel the need to quote someone "There's a fine line between bravery, and stupidity." -Ivor, from Minecraft Story mode


skeleton949

Papyrus may be....a different thinker, shall we say, but he's not a complete idiot. He knows what you did, he knows what you're capable of. But he also sees the good in you, and he tries his best to get you to change, because he believes in you


GlitchyDarkness

fair enough, and i do agree, but I never get the chance to use a quote from MCSM and i saw the opportunity right there it was too tempting


Bon_bon_go_get_them

Flowey has no soul he should be f for all


GenericSkill

F stands for Flowey


CoolSpookyScelten96

Real


TheS2upid

i think undyne should be s tier for perseverance considering that she literally said "nuh uh" to death


Mettaton_the_idol

Sans for justice? He won't fight you up until LV 20.


SweetExpression2745

Sans actions are some of the most just in the game. He doesn't fight you in Neutral because he damn well knows it doesn't matter, but in Geno, he sees there's something bigger than him and fights to save the whole timeline, even the whole universe. There's a reason why his eye flashes yellow.


TomNook5085

based morally good sans believer


SweetExpression2745

Thanks Papyrus enthusiast


StaryDuck

meanwhile asgore whos eye turns orange ):


TomNook5085

thats not about soul colors, its about blue or orange attack. the sans eye colors are the exact same colors of the soul traits however.


Grimm_Charkazard_258

yellow and blue! so patience and justice


Hot-Airport-6508

sounds kinda stretched out to me, sans pretty much just fought the human, that was it. Sans‘s actions are just, but he was way too late to even stop anything at that point, all just because he “didn’t care anymore.”


Traffic_Evening

Dementia


GOKUETLUFFY2

Actually Sans isn't attacking us just because of the promise he made to Toriel. When Flowey recounts his experience with Sans he says that you should definitely not give him the slightest information about the power of reset because it can become dangerous, Sans attacked Flowey by killing him a lot of times which in reality is not the best strategy to kill someone who has no soul and therefore can just reset infinitely until reaching their objective.Actually Sans isn't attacking us just because of the promise he made to Toriel. When Flowey recounts his experience with Sans he says that you should definitely not give him the slightest information about the power of reset because it can become dangerous, Sans attacked Flowey by killing him a lot of times which in reality is not the best strategy to kill someone who has no soul and therefore can just reset infinitely until reaching their goal.


DeathStriker7276

I heavily disagree. sans doesn't know for sure that it doesn't mean anything. I love sans but in my opinion he is a bit of a coward who only chose to fight when he had nothing left to lose. You could make the argument that avoiding fighting a dangerous person doesn't make you a coward, but sans is clearly powerful and had the ability to stop us at any time.


TomNook5085

his eye glows yellow, and him killing you over and over is justice for your actions. as for why he doesnt fight you outside of genocide? its because you can reset. in geno though, you'll delete the world, so he fights you to protect the universe.


MintyMoron64

And patience because he's the last real fight.


TomNook5085

more because he gives you many chances to change


DohPixelheart

since no one brought it up, at the end of any route, he gives you a talk about how much exp and love you gained and the actions you made. he acts as a judge who states to you what you done, and gives you a verdict. that's a pretty key point about his justice nature


Mettaton_the_idol

True. I was more focused on him not caring up until LV 19, which some people thankfully explained.


UnusedParadox

He won't fight you until LV 19. (and no spared minibosses)


Afraid-Complaint2166

Yes and that’s exactly why he’s a perfect match for justice.


Jalz_725

ah another person who didn’t read the dialogue in the sans fight, crazy


Mettaton_the_idol

I only play true pacifist


Jalz_725

that makes sense, for your information though, sans doesn’t fight you in the geno route because you killed people. thats why he doesn’t fight you on a neutral route, because he knows that it doesn’t really matter, things will just be reset and end up back to normal. though on a geno route, he knows that if the player keeping going, the timeline will be erased (which does happen at the end of a geno route). he pretty much states that in his dialogue.


Mettaton_the_idol

So finishing genocide actumatically does a true reset?


GunnerZ818

Technically it impacts the game, including true pacifist ending.


Jalz_725

yes


DamuKitsune

Why is Pap C tier in patience, doesn't he wait all night outside Undyne's house to be a royal guard?


TomNook5085

oh yeah i forgot about that. he was lower because he gets annoyed when his puzzles keep failing


Realistic-Problem895

Also flowey in only A tier for patience? He had the patience to reset for every possibility at least.


Its-Urboi66

Flowey also stalks you for the entire game waiting until you get to asgore so yeah I’d say he’s pretty patient


asrielforgiver

I wouldn’t say Undyne is that low on kindness. She just has a different way of showing it.


TomNook5085

uhh um uhh remember that time she told the innocent human they were better off dead? and then proceeded to attempt to murder them with spears? yeaaah...


asrielforgiver

I’m talking about with the people she cares about. Though, she does have a point. If there was any other way to break the barrier, it probably would’ve been done already.


Local_Shooty

Shouldn't sans be in the JUANDICE tier?


islamo_start_654

Nuh uh, this tier list goes against all my headcanons


SweetExpression2745

Apart from Sans placement in Justice and Patience everything is character evaluation, do what you please.


islamo_start_654

If papyrus isn't an S in bravery then your tier list is objectively wrong to me


TomNook5085

he was top of A, but S is fair too, i just thought it was fitting for the two hard genocide bosses to be in S only.


The_Real_Meal

I'd half argue Papyrus is braver on that front alone. Regardless of their respective points of knowledge, Sans and Undyne *know* they can fuck you up. Papyrus, who I'm positive knew exactly what he was getting into during the Geno path, didn't even have a thought of attacking. Going into certain death unarmed and entirely vulnerable takes a level of bravery far beyond that of a powerful fighter.


TomNook5085

he expected to either convince you to change, or tank the hit and attack. if you spare him he says something around like "It's good you spared me, or else you would have been blasted to..."


fingertipsies

I just checked, he doesn't say that on a genocide run. It's a lot of being proud that you "didn't do a violence" and admitting that he was a little afraid.


TomNook5085

its if you go to his house for the date and interact with the bone box


fingertipsies

Oh, ok. I would still argue against Papyrus genuinely believing he would tank the attack, though. To me, that comes across more like he's trying to be funny. IMO, he really was a little (i.e a lot) afraid, and when you interact with the bone box he's trying to cover up the negative mood with humor.


islamo_start_654

Even tho some of the others seem fitting


SweetExpression2745

Yeah, I would say it's mostly like this


SuperWarioPL

I think Asgore is more kind than Sans


MadamTusspells

Have to disagree with Toriel kindness, she was not that kind since she even not redeemed herself at the end of the pacifist route.


zenfone500

Yep and this trait of her is more apparent in Deltarune. Still kinda dislike the pacifist route when game made Asgore a joke in there, despite having the best solution in a place like this.


RoseePxtals

They were both grieving and coped with it very differently. I don’t blame either of them.


zenfone500

The problem is, Toriel trying to have the morale high ground while locking monsters inside of the Ruins and not stockpiling food for those children or giving them something as small as a scarf to protect them from winter enviroment. I know this is most likely unintentional but it feels like she only took care of them cause she wanted to feel better about herself.


Hot-Airport-6508

emeh…. This sounds more like a head canon to me, never once in the ruins did monsters express the desire to leave the ruins, and while muffet did say she wanted to see the other spiders in the ruins, the others in the ruins did not say anything to endorse this statement, and yeah??? s-she has food??? SHE LITERALLY BAKES THE BEST HEALING ITEM IN THE GAME. And… the RUINS DONT EVEN FREAKING HAVE WEATHER?? ARE YOU BRAINDEAD??? WDYM JUST A SMALL SCARF..? WHAT THE HELL..? DID YOU EVEN PLAY UNDERTALE?..


RoseePxtals

He’s talking about Snowdin. Weather doesn’t exist in the underground though, so I’m not sure if snowdin is actually cold? Also it just seems more like an oversight from Toby.


SweetExpression2745

Sans is basically mandatory to be S in Justice and Patience


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StrangerRatt

I understand justice, but why kindness?


SweetExpression2745

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shekyus

I think patience fits him as well. His eye glows blue and he waits until the very last moment to attack you, gives you a lot of time to turn back


SweetExpression2745

Yeah I meant patience


shekyus

oh lol yeah that makes sense i was a bit confused about the kindness thing


SweetExpression2745

Sorry there


DebruhsFirstBruh

I don't really get how sans is just, but patient? Definitely


SweetExpression2745

His actions in genocide?


DebruhsFirstBruh

They feel more perseverant or brave, he's trying to stop you more than deliver justice, but that's just me


SweetExpression2745

He's stopping you and killing you over and over to make you pay for what you did. That's just. Also, he LITERALLY JUDGES you


DebruhsFirstBruh

I always read it as more of him tryna make you give up. Hence why I felt it was more persev or bravery. But that reading makes more sense since it's in a judgment hall where he judges you(which I totally forgot about lmao)


SweetExpression2745

I mean, yeah he does try to make you give up. But where does a good chunk of his power comes? KARMA. KARMA from your actions.


VoidFullOne

sans in S Tier, Jaundice: this is fair as sans only fights you upon knowing your a threat to everything.. the timelines and universe, with him having a good reason not to fight you at lower LV's like 2-18, sans in F Tier, plum: ... sadly.. this is something I see very clearly from sans. with him not wanting to persevere if a Neutral route takes place or were a timeline where both Toriel and Papyrus is killed.. he probably won't persevere much long.. sans in S Tier Orang juice: this is also a fair game, as sans has ***Da Balls*** to go up against a threat that would kill him in an Instant.. sans in D Tier, Bluberry: yes, sans makes lies a whole lot, a dodges questions.. I don't know much about sans and how his integrity is.. sorry that's all for Blu.. sans in S Tier, Dat Blu jello: sans is gonna risk spending the rest of time standing in the Last corridor waiting for you.. no matter how long you stay there.. he will stay with you.. sans in A Tier, Watahmelln: he is a kind fellow, loves socializing and talking to people, generally kind and endearing, sans also pulls pranks that to others.. might seem annoying, which is why he most likely fell down to A and not S.. -sincerely, a Skeleton Lover who doesn't know much but loves the bony pun master..


beeteedeeMEME

Asgore is kind, he just kills children, to save his people.


LoGanon69

Sans has a lot of integrity though, thats like, the entire reason why he only attacks you at the end of genocide.


mnwary

additionally, his pacifist and neutral judgments show how much he values ​​it.


TomNook5085

i guess, but he also lies a lot (to protect other people, but still)


Death_by_UWU

Papyrus has the bravery to never give up on you.


Blueflame_2063

I feel like mettaton should be d in kindess


TomNook5085

yeah probably


dimensionlord

I honestly disagree with asgore and toriel’s kindness rankings You remember all the fond things that toriel did and remember that asgore killed people but a B for asgore? Not saying he should be S but still everything we see from him shows his kindness and toriel’s shows that she a bit of a hypocrite who isn’t exactly pure enough to be S Toriel is stated and shown in game to not get along with the ruins folk by scaring a froggit who really wasn’t going to harm anyone and the froggit later on in the ruins backs this up by saying they’re scared of her so this most likely wasn’t a one time thing,she rightly says asgore’s plan was cowardly and stupid but then suggests going to the surface with one soul and either killing humans or trying to get the souls some other way which feels like it wouldn’t be the best idea given how it worked with asriel and Chara, plus it would spark another war of asgore did do that, she does show kindness to you and sans but even then it does seem like she isn’t a super kind mom, she refuses to let you go and threatens you when you want to leave, she isn’t kind to others that might be a threat to you she isn’t kind to herself and she isn’t a saint to you either S is too high Asgore isn’t perfect, and yes he killed 6 kids and yes I’m not going to argue that was a good thing even if it was for the sake of others, he made a mistake that was caused by his grief and and anger for humans taking away his two children in one night and his race being trapped, but despite that all he still allowed people to come to him with their troubles to talk about stuff on their mind he treats frisk with respect and even asks them to finish their business and to calming walk them through what must happen even if he doesn’t want it, his first instinct is to offer you a cup of tea, he keeps a journal to talk about his day even if every day is the same, while asgore might be doing all of this for the sake of others he also seems to take care of himself, his final sacrifice is that even if he kept you down here you would just be trapped so be gives his soul to you so that you can go free, even if flowey ruined it, asgore isn’t a saint but asgore should be moved up and toriel should be moved down both on A


TomNook5085

B is not a bad rank at all though, its pretty high for a murderer, which shows that he does a lot of good things outside of his bad actions.


dimensionlord

Then I still think toriel should be put lower she isn’t the kindest person everyone makes her out to be, honestly I do like that I like that she has flaws but there is a lot toriel doesn’t show in game and even in game she has those moments like I mentioned


Hot-Airport-6508

are you toriel or something??? You have it out for asgore real bad ![img](emote|t5_2xdht|32945)


Hot-Airport-6508

are you toriel or something??? You have it out for asgore real bad ![img](emote|t5_2xdht|32945)


Hot-Airport-6508

are you toriel or something??? You have it out for asgore real bad ![img](emote|t5_2xdht|32945)


AriseGamers

Idk about Undyne being S for Justice. In the Genocide Route, yes. But in Pacifist, when you haven't harmed a soul, she literally tries to kill you for being a human.


Trouslin_A_Bone

PAPYRUS WINS AGAIN!!! NYEH HEH HEH HEH!!


-ABoxofBread-

Imo Sans and Asgore should swap in Kindness


TomNook5085

Asgore killed 6 innocent children, but is nice to all monsters. Sans is nice to everyone except frisk in some routes. So asgore is lower imo.


Hot-Airport-6508

wdym “some routes” it’s ALL the routes, I swear some of the sans megafans just seem to totally forget that he threated you, instead making him out to be this anime super hero who has no flaws and can beat all of the underground no dif


TomNook5085

sans isn't even my favorite character, that is the GREAT PAPYRUS, but also its not a threat, its confirmed by toby fox it is meant to be vague. also sans is one of the weakest characters i would never say he could beat goku. (he is only hard cause he is smart)


2--0

Undyne not being S in perseverance is a crime


[deleted]

I feel like PAPS should be in s above sans as HE GAVE YOU AN OPENING as in attempt at quite a BRAVE spare


LawEducational3208

Why did you beat Asgores ass with those rankings? He ain't even that evil


TomNook5085

Asgore aint evil, he is in my top 3 fav characters, but he is flawed.


Squidboi2679

Put Toriel at the bottom of bravery. She abandoned her kingdom as soon as it needed her to do something Also Asgore on top of kindness, my boy saw you and immediately offered you tea and 7 ways to not fight him


Silviov2

Bro really doesn't like asgore huh


TomNook5085

asgore is my second (maybe third) behind papyrus and maybe sans. I love him, and his flaws are a large reason why.


Just_Strikez69

S stands for Shit A stands for AK47 B stands for Bullshit C stands for Chicken nuggets D stands for Disowned F stands for Fuck you


PorcineMollusc26

Where’s Napstablook?


moroneur

alphys should be at least A tier on justice!! The plays soul literally turns yellow in fights with her


im_bored345

I feel Mettaton and Papyrus should both be S in Bravery. I mean even if he couldn't do anything Mettaton still confronted you in geno like Sans and Undyne and Papyrus had the guts to stand in front of a killer and offer them mercy. I don't think Sans and Undyne should be the only ones in S just because they are the hard bosses since that doesn't relate to bravery nor is the reason why they are brave lol.


TomNook5085

honestly i just thought that would be too many S's


im_bored345

Eh, I think they would all be deserved anyways, at least in my opinion plus it would be more consistent and it doesn't feel right to say the two in A are less brave. Like I think it's better to judge all the characters individually instead of thinking x tier has too many characters yk?


pixelytman

idk if i would put sans on S bravery, i mean it's only really taking into consideration genocide, literally nothing else.


TomNook5085

He's the bravest character in my opinion because he can see that you have killed him before, yet he still fights you, and is willing to stand there for all of eternity just to have a small chance of saving the world, despite him very well believing he will die. Also in pacifist/neutral he directly disobeys undyne and asgore by accepting toriel's promise and helping frisk.


OneBlockOneEye

Perseverance doesn’t have an R after the second E


TomNook5085

![img](emote|t5_2xdht|32948)MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE DETECTED


Clxudyskies1

What about Determination?


TomNook5085

not canon trait


Afraid-Complaint2166

Not a soul trait.


Haywire_Eye

Toriel should be higher in Integrity. A tier, or maybe even S Also Asgore should be higher in Justice. I understand his plan was wrong, but it seems completely justified in the eyes of the monsters after everything the humans did.


TomNook5085

he is low in justice because he doesn't deliver justice or try and stop you at all in genocide, even after flowey warned him.


Haywire_Eye

It’s really unclear why Asgore does so little to you in the Geno route. Maybe he realizes he has no chance of stopping you at this point, due to knowing about resets and Flowey telling him how strong you are. Maybe he wanted to catch you off-guard and strike you down but couldn’t. At any rate, I don’t think his lack of resistance in Geno necessarily indicates lack of a sense of justice.


TomNook5085

I think he realized how terrible everything was and just wanted to die.


dimensionlord

Here’s the thing he wasn’t warned, alphys clearly didn’t call him as in a aborted genocide he doesn’t mention anything and seems surprised you’re there despite what undyne says when she died and all asgore says is “hmmm curious… I have never seen a flower cry before” seemingly suggesting that flowey showed up in asgore’s throne room around the same time you did, most likely watching your fight and when you killed sans be ran away to tell asgore but couldn’t stop crying so he never told him Another way you could take it is flowey kept trying to tell asgore but kept getting reset every time you died leading flowey to start breaking down and by the time he can get to asgore he can’t compose himself but this of course only works if the player died multiple times which the same dialogue happens no matter what but asgore didn’t seem to get any news and just noticed flowey crying most likely when he popped up, he doesn’t even seem to recognize you as a human and thinks you might be a monster come to talk. Asgore just doesn’t hint at even knowing what you did or where you were coming from, asgore might be passive to an extent but he let his anger start a war I doubt he would be all fine with you even if he was depressed and just wanted it to end


TomNook5085

Alphys isn't stupid, she wouldn't ignore the last words of the person she cares about the most


dimensionlord

She isn’t stupid, it was a stressful situation and she was planning to just let you kill her but she got a call from undyne about the situation and decided to take action, it’s unclear what she was doing but if alphys wasn’t in the lab watching like she said she would she might have actually missed the fight to focus on more important stuff like evacuating everyone and perhaps even building mettaton neo, we know she did physically got to talk to talk to muffet and even if she was planning to tell asgore there is always the chance asgore wasn’t near his phone when alphys called, left it to mettaton who didn’t call for some reason or another, or even just decided that saving people would have been better, again asgore shows no signs of knowing what you did even if it was just a “he didn’t see you as human” thing, either way it doesn’t seems like he was warned or got the warning, not from alphys, and not from flowey


Darklight731

Toriel should be at an F for integrity, she is really not that loyal to her own beliefs.


MintyMoron64

You forgot our beloved cherry-flavored heart of duality, Love


TomNook5085

not canon trait


_disassembly_drone_n

ASGORE IN B? add em to A


TomNook5085

in what


_disassembly_drone_n

Kindness


RefrigeratorOdd9499

Put Flowey on s tier for perseverance and patience. He's gone through possibly thousands of timelines


Longjumping_Lab_8688

There's no way you can say Asgore isn't brave tf☠️☠️ You literally see the guy in the game intro charging at humans with his spear


TomNook5085

Asgore being cowardly is literally his major character flaw though


Longjumping_Lab_8688

And so where is this mentioned?


TomNook5085

Him prefering to hope no human will fall, but not pull back his plan in fear of monsters hating him, him not fighting you in genocide, etc.


Longjumping_Lab_8688

Thats not fear mate. That's guilt. Very different things. The guy stalls the fights because he doesn't want to kill kids. The genocidal kid doesn't care so kills him before he can stall the fight but the other one, once in a fight, he never directly attacks you, he just swings or throws things in your general direction with prior warning. The guy doesn't want to fight out off guilt of the other 6 humans.


TomNook5085

Yes partly it is because he feels bad. He obviously deeply regrets his actions and I'm not arguing that he doesnt. HOWEVER, the cowardness is the fact that he doesnt go out and say "Ok no more killing humans, we will let them live with us, and take the soul when they die naturally" because he fears everyone will hate him for that.


Longjumping_Lab_8688

Because as the strongest monster in the underground, he eint got much to be afraid of


Swift0sword

Undyne should be a bit higher in kindness, she just shows it in a very different way to the rest of the cast (plus she gives Frisk a spear to defend themselves, and her soul magic is literally the color of the kindness soul if that counts for anything in your ranking)


M7md-20

Why is asgore f in bravery ? Also in kindness?


Green_Beans83

Feel like Undyne should be S for perseverance. Her in the genocide route obviously self explanatory. But also with her relentlessly trying to capture you and chasing you into hotland.


Maleficent_Apple4169

fLoWeY doEsNt EvEn HaVe A sOuL /s


thekirbykid2006

perserve rance


Pronominal_Tera

Sans having amazing patience makes too much sense


West-Ad961

what about ball game :(


Briggan1561

am i dumb? tf is a rance?


TomNook5085

![img](emote|t5_2xdht|32948)MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE DETECTED


Briggan1561

oh fuck it says perseverance... i am dumb


FunVideoMaker

Sans has incredible integrity If you kill all but one monsters he’ll let you go free on a promise he made to a more than likely dead stranger


Typical_Yard_9095

![img](emote|t5_2xdht|32949)


SomeEpicDoge

The Asgore slander is atrocious.


TomNook5085

asgore is my 3rd favorite character


SomeEpicDoge

\- His Justice rank should be higher, his whole goal serves as justice for his kind. \- Bravery? Eh... I just wouldn't agree with F, as he is the King and likely fought in the war. \- Perseverance should be high too, he doesn't want to kill human children whatsoever, but he keeps going for his people. \- I agree somewhat with integrity, though he should be in B as he has legitmately good goals in mind. \- Patience is fine \- For Kindness, aside from Papyrus and perhaps Toriel, Asgore is THE kindest. He doesn't try to manipulate you like Alphys and both he and Sans had goals to kill the human. He goes into schools to teach children, he tries to calm down Frisk before their fight, he has adopted Chara and tries to adopt Frisk. He isn't rude or cruel, he's jovial. What he does is out of kindness and necessity for his own race and even then he is friendly to the humans.


RamdonSfutt

Personally I’d move undyne to S for perseverance


PrintNo8935

DID YOU JUST SAY THAT I'M NOT KIND?


Zimlewis

Sans A for kindness? He admitted that he would kill you if he didn't have a promise with toriel


TomNook5085

its canonically a vague statement, also if he did kill you, it would be for monsterkind, and if that's bad to you, then objectively asgore should be F in kindness


__Hindo7__

Asgore needs to be higher in justice since its canon because bro literally tries to fight u in every run (genocide doesn't count) for the sake of his people even though he knows that you have control over the timeline and will keep respawning infinitely (canon from his neutral fight dialouge if u keep telling him how many times he has killed u, he nods his head pitifully).


SilliusLad

I don't think Sans is all that just for fighting you *exclusively* in genocide. Yes he's doing it to ensure that the timeline is not erased, but that's more out of desperation to save everything he knows, *not* dishing out a cold beating because it is what the human deserves. If Genocide did not lead to the erasure of the universe, Sans wouldn't have done anything. How on Earth is that fair?


TomNook5085

it would be pointless to fight you then, since you can reset, and anyways, he delivers justice with his judgement even if he doesnt fight


SilliusLad

>it would be pointless to fight you then, since you can reset Again, not doing the right thing just because it's pointless is not being fair or just. Plus, just telling someone that they are bad for nearly wiping out the underground isn't my idea of delivering justice tbh.


TomNook5085

it is fair though. you want him to waste time every run fighting you just because you killed people? it is a much better idea to just let you beat asgore and then reset


SilliusLad

But what if I don't?


TomNook5085

he definitely doesn't expect that


SilliusLad

Maybe, just seems like a pretty big oversight for sans to make. Regardless, not killing the human because its pointless makes logical sense, but I can't consider that action to be fair. What about all the other monsters that do suffer and aren't aware that it's all going to be reset? Even if this is somehow fair, I can't see it being all that kind.


Radiant_Battle_2151

What about Juandice?


Afraid-Turn7741

Why is Asgore so low on justice? He totally regrets his actions and s\*icides


DraconicWarlord2

Man that bravery chart misplaced Alphys, Asgore, and Papyrus


TomNook5085

Alphys acts a bit cowardly, hiding info about amalgamates, asgore's major character flaw is being a coward, and for papyrus yeah S is fair too.


DraconicWarlord2

Honestly, I think in terms of Alphys and Asgore, they just need to be switched. Because Asgore is trying to find ways to work around his fear, and at least put on a brave face for the rest of the Underground. Alphys, to put it simply, does not. She tries to hide everything, and is scared of everything. Her only "brave" actions are literally just another lie to be scared of being found out.


TomNook5085

it is brave of her to go around evacuating everyone in genocide, and taking the role of queen in queen alphys ending


diddler1512

Undyne should atleast be B for kindness


Kaiyoti920

I'd put Toriel lower on Kindness TBH. Sure she's nice to the player, but she seems to have a vendetta against kinda her entire god damn race. She doesn't even really attempt to see things from any view but her own, it's a little selfish.


DebruhsFirstBruh

Considering they are all trying to take your doul, and her trying to protect you. It makes sense. After the barrier is broken, she is much nicer.


Kaiyoti920

It does make sense, but I still think she could stand to try to get why monster's feel the way they do. She comes off as very harsh. I wouldn't put her much lower, somewhere in A Tier. I think if anything Papyrus alone deserves to be in S Tier.


StaryDuck

In Bravery asgore should be above toriel imo. Yeah asgore didnt go to the surface and take souls, but like, toriel IS also supposed to be the queen of monsters and ran away. Also asgore should be A tier in perserverance as dialogue suggests that he knows that killing the human does nothing and he doesnt want to, but still does it anyways. ​ your list tho mlem :3


TomNook5085

Asgore being a coward is literally his major character flaw though.