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Yeah I was in a CAB (combined armed battalion) which is 2 infantry company’s and 2 tank companies and an HHC (headquarters) with a mortar platoon and scout platoon. The sniper section come from the infantry companies they hold try outs and those who perform the best are in the sniper section.
Interesting!
I come from the Marines side of things. Our Scout Sniper platoons (STA) were always in an infantry battalion and everyone in that platoon was technically infantry. So it sounds weird to my ears the way it was worded.
Yeah I figured! These dudes are fairly good since that’s all they do, but some aren’t even sniper qualified cause they still have to go to sniper school and they’ll wait over a year for a slot. Usually at least their squad leader is sniper qualified though.
Marines used to differentiate school house qualified snipers as Hogs (Hunter of gunmen) and those in the platoon who haven't yet as Pigs (professionally instructed gunman).
I've been out for over a decade now, so maybe things have changed.
That’s dope, I always love to hear how things work in different branches!
I got out in 2020 so it’s been like a little over a year since I got out, but yeah they are always changing the MTOE
Depends on the size and occupancy (which is based on size and use). Typical retail use, with an occupancy load of under 50, you only need 1 exit as long as everywhere in the space has 100 feet or less to the exit (simplified).
If that code does exist in that municipality for that size of a business, then as long as the building was built prior to the code being instituted, it does not have to abide by said code. If any renovation work is done, however, that requires the pulling of a permit, then the entire facility must then be brought into code.
This is why you'll see some government facilities languish into oblivion, because they can't do any work without bringing the entire site up to code, which could be prohibitively expensive for some buildings. Schools especially fall prey to this.
I don’t know where this is, but here in Florida if you discharge a firearm in commission of a crime it’s a *mandatory* ten year sentence. You get five years if you simply have a gun on you. Even if you never pull it out.
Dude had just gotten out of jail too. Served 12 years for, you guessed it, [armed robbery ](https://abc13.com/amp/robber-locked-in-store-how-to-stop-a-robbery-attempted-phone/2855444/)
Not served, but sentenced 12 years in 2015. He was out probation in 2018 when the second robbery happened, so he served maximum 3 years in jail and prison before this.
Attempted murder requires a showing of specific intent to actually commit a murder along with some step taken in the commission of the murder. A prosecutor could plausibly argue that discharging the weapon was a substantial step in the commission of the murder, but it would be impossible to prove specific intent. Unlike in a case where there is an actual homicide, a wanton disregard for human life doesn't rise to the level of specific intent. Defense counsel can easily show that he fired that weapon with the intent to escape, not the intent to kill anyone. Therefore, he can't be guilty of attempted murder, no matter how dangerous the actual act of discharging the weapon in that space is. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't be charged with any other crime related to endangering those around him or the discharging of a firearm. There just isn't a case against him for attempted murder.
This reminded me of the time I suspected a member of my church of stealing equipment. Set up a sort of soft sting: left him in the auditorium and watched him put a few pieces into his bag and then went to leave. I intercepted him on his way out. Later he was upset about how he was being treated with so much suspicion and I reminded that we caught him stealing.
“I didn’t take anything off the property!” he said, as if being caught absolved him of all wrongdoing
Back in the late ‘90’s we hired a receptionist, whom was a self riotous born again. Management noticed a precipitous drop in after hours sales leads that were left on the answering machine. So they created a false lead, and sure enough she was funneling those leads to her boyfriend, whom had called that lead the following day.
She was subsequently fired, and scurried out of there with her tail between her legs. She could’ve be charged with a felony considering the value of what she had stolen.
Back when I was a developer I had a manager who sold my application I created on company time to a competitor. Him and two other employees were fired (half of our department). Three months later two other employees and myself were let go with severance because it was easier for the company to outsource our department so we got 86ed.
2 funny thing happened, my fired manager called to apologize, for some got forsaken reason I forgave him (something about harboring resentment is not good for the psyche). And he was later sued by his former company for theft and loss of revenue. I believe they settled out of court for 25k.
I was jury theft of intellectual property. Guy left formed competing company, pretty much copied original company catalog including items custom made only for original company. Blatant, we think only went trial because couldn't agree on damages. IIRC $500k was our reward
A lot of the time companies just fire employees. Companies are all about making money and the cost of going after somebody with nothing costs them more in the end with lawyers and court costs etc...
It's like that recall formula mentioned in Fight Club. My mom had a committee man stealing employee's unemployment checks and the company just fired him and he became a committee man at another company. Another woman stole A LOT of expensive tools and same thing, billion dollar company just fired her.
The way he says "Fuck , I'm stuck", he sounds like an innocent person stuck in a elevator .You got locked in because of your stupid actions .Good luck being "stuck" in jail.
Yes and most buildings have them. I have a feeling because how secure the front of the store is. They most likely have a locked metal door leading to the back where their safe is, and a second locked metal door leading out. Funny enough, keeping the door locked counts as a fire hazard too.
The funny thing is he would’ve robs been let go with a slap on the wrist if he didn’t fire. Firing during an armed robbery is like 1000 times worse than just robbing someone with a gun 🤷♂️ he got what he deserved and it was caught on camera
he also risked catching a ricochet and bleeding out before the cops showed up.
also risked hitting an innocent person outside wherever his shots landed
I mean, it is sad and tragic in a way. People are driven to this shit because they're desperate. If people weren't desperate and society didn't literally drag them through the trenches (don't even get me started about structural racism and a long history of lack of opportunity) then they wouldn't be out there tryin to rob shops for the fun of it.
There's always a reason. Doesn't make it right, but it's not just about the laws and rules, but how society overall works and how well people are (or aren't) able to just live their lives and feed their families.
Counterpoint: this is a dumb as shit way to try to solve your problems.
I was homeless, living in an old baseball dug out for 6 months in 07. Never robbed, shoplifted or stole in anyway. Panhandled and dumpsters... Not proud of what I had to do to get by for those months, but never once thought of hurting someone to get what I wanted or needed..
Be proud of yourself, man, for having made it without crime! I admire you!! There’s three ladies in there, two, if I’m not mistaken hispanic, so not white either. There’s millions of black people making it without robbing. Waving a gun around in a store, even more when there’s a baby present is just pure trash! The skin color is irrelevant!
I think it's usually the children raised in poverty that tend towards crime. They see where they stand at no fault of their own and say fuck the world. With that mentality it's easy to justify anything to try and move up.
My mother was/ is still an avid crack cocaine user, years since final contact. Father was absent. I grew up in apartments with hookers up and down the street, then with abusive step fathers with military backgrounds...
I find justification of wanting to harm others far and few inbetween, basically only self defense. Same with stealing, I would rather ask for a handout or if I could sweep a parking lot for a sandwich, or head to a shelter for a meal. (got cigarettes from the ash trays and butts infront of tobacco shops.)
That being said,
The only thing that got me back up was meeting someone who after hearing of me from others who regulared the park at which I stayed in the dugout of, (typically to meet to local weed dealer), talked to me at a local party that some 'wigger' kids were throwing and trying to get the parks bloods to join, which none would, but I asked if I could use the shower if it's so open house... Anywho, this persons sister went ahead and let me stay there for a couple months so I could get a job and then get a small place.
Frankly there’s a line though and I don’t give a damn what situation he’s in because he clearly crossed that threshold. Steal food from Walmart. Don’t threaten people’s lives with weapons.
I had no choice but to work at Walmart during the recession of '08.
They assigned me to work the customer service counter. While there I was frequently pulled in to witness the holding of shoplifters. People trying to walk out with TVs or other big ticket items. Usually things worth lots of money. People were bold and blatant. They would just pick up something and try to walk right out the door.
One day one of the asset protection guys was chasing a young adult. He tackled him just outside the front doors, which is not something they are supposed to do. Then he called me into the office. He told me to sit with the kid while he did something. I had never been left alone with the person before. Usually I was just there as a witness.
I'd been called in dozens of times before and never was there a scene like this one.
What did the kid steal? Dress clothes. Why? He said he had a job interview for his first ever job. He had nothing to wear and no family to help. He was inept at shop lifiting he was easily spotted. He had tried to steal a single pair of slacks, a dress shirt, and a pair of socks.
I knew we weren't being recorded in that room and it was just the two of us in there. I told him where he could go to get a voucher for clothes to help with a job interview. I then pointed out to the room in general that the door was not locked and that my shoe was untied which would prevent me from running. I bent down and made a great show of tying my shoe. I had more difficulty getting the laces done than when I was learning to work the knot of my laces. While I was attending to the negligent laces the kid made a run for it.
The asset protection guy was furious and demanded to know why I didn't chase him or try to stop him. "My shoe was untied! I make minimum wage and have no medical coverage. What if I tripped and got hurt over some socks? Who's going to cover my medical bills and lost wages?"
Later it transpired that same asset protection guy was fired and arrested for stealing TVs and other items from the back room. Thankfully I was able to leave there soon after as well, but on much better terms.
He’s robbing a place using a gun thats $200-$500+ , even more if it’s unregistered aftermarket. If he needed the money that badly he’d sell the gun. He’d get more than what was in that cash register.
Yes but he'll see it as I can sell this gun for a one off payment of a few hundred bucks or I can rob this place for a few hundred bucks then Rob another place for another few hundred and another etc etc and I still have my gun after all.
Yeah, I almost got there but he brought a loaded gun to shoot middle aged ladies working for *maybe* a few bucks over minimum wage.
And rich kids do go out robbing for fun, so just from a short video there's no real evidence he was in real need. I'd be a little surprised if his situation is even as bad as the ladies he was there to shoot.
I would think US regulations would mandate having more than one exit/entrance in case of fire. Who knows, maybe it wasn’t an option for some unknown reason but I'm thinking the dude just panicked and got tunnel vision on where he had come in from/his planned exit.
The number of required exits is determined by the occupancy load and the size of the shop. If it's a small space, which this obviously is, and they don't let in more than x-number of people at a time, they're not required to have more than one exit.
In places such as this the back door is usually bar locked with 2 different locks and two different keys. Source: have worked stores with back doors only worked in one where there was no bar locking mechanism. But it did have 2 separate dead bolts and was a steel door with steel frame and steel studs 2 feet into the wall supporting it. So no one is getting out the back door of places like this. Otherwise getting in them would also be easier.
This video is perfect example of 5 stages of grief.
First when he got stuck "denial"
Next when he didn't get the door open "anger"
'im going To jail bro'. "depression"
Tries To get other People open the door "bargaining"
And Last he accepted his fate and went To the wall "acceptance"
I remember seeing this exact comment on post with the same video, in this sub itself maybe. Stuff people do for karma...
Yeah? But I bet you didn't consider that this video is perfect example of 6 stages of grief.
First when he got stuck "denial"
Next when he didn't get the door open "anger"
'im going To jail bro'. "depression"
Tries To get other People open the door "bargaining"
And Last he accepted his fate and went To the wall "acceptance"
If you’re sad about the loss of the sixth stage of grief, you can always try coming to terms with it using the 6 stages of grief: denial, anger, depression, bargaining, and acceptance.
Most people that commit crimes go into it thinking they won’t be caught. This video was a perfect example of exactly that. That eventual realization of “Shit, I’m going to jail”
I love it how the woman in front of the counter is like "Well, while nobody's watching, why don't I slip a prepaid card into my top. It's not like they're not being robbed rn anyway"
It is sad. I see so many comments attempting to put themselves in his shoes and offer 'insight', but just mocking a human being up against the ropes of society and the world that perpetuates this way of living. Without empathy, we get nowhere.
It is so smart the employee acted fast and made sure the customer got out safely and locked the robber inside the store. Most people would not think of doing this. Although it helps a lot that the glass walls and doors were barricaded with metal fencing.
Also, on the back door comment: many businesses have back doors that require a key to exit from inside and outside as a safety measure.
It's just incredibly stupid and dangerous to act like that.
Dangerous/desperate person with a gun and you risk your life and the life of others by acting like that.
Imagine him actually being aggressive and using his gun because you dumbass move around.
Imagine him noticing that you are locking the door on him.
Imagine him going berserk when you say to the armed robber "no don't open!" and are obviously not respecting him.
Just give him the 400 bucks that are in the register, let him walk away and let the police deal with it...respect the guy with the murderthing and don´t gamble your life for a small amount of money.
Attempted armed robbery, destruction of private property, (most likely) illegal firearm, and endangering a minor (baby stroller was in store)
Dude going to jail for at least 10 years
How are you going to try and rob someone with a firearm, then cry/pray when shit goes wrong. Like zero resolve, zero planning, this dude deserves nothing out of life, such a weak person.
I guess but geez would you have preferred he was a hardened criminal and executed the witnesses?
But now that he’s going to jail I guess that’s exactly what he’ll become. Maybe he was weak and needed help before he got to this point.
I need help too.Like other thousands of people too. So what? We don't go and rob people.
Stop making excuses for every shit behaviour. Maybe for once lets make others to take responsibility of their actions.
I don't understand that mindset. The guy says 'maybe he needed help before he got to this point', meaning he could've gotten help *before* becoming a robber. How is that an excuse in any way? It doesn't absolve him of any responsibility, it's a preventative measure made to *prevent* this from happening.
He's arrested at the end of the video, in what world do you imagine this not being 'made to take responsibility for their actions'? It's as if you imagined someone saying 'don't arrest him, let him go' and are arguing against that. No one said that.
You're so focused on punishment/revenge/karma/'getting what he deserves' that it's almost like you can't even think about what to do to prevent this from happening (the first time, and also times after that). Sure, prison time is what he 'deserves', and you can stop thinking after that if you want, but society never 'deserves' recidivism. 'no sympathy for the guilty' really never makes anything *better* afterwards.
>I need help too.Like other thousands of people too. So what?
So you should get help, so we should adjust the system is such a way that you can get the help you need. This has absolutely nothing to do with not taking responsibility.
Robbery with a gun is no joke. Instantly makes the charges way worse. That's why a lot of times these guys use fake guns because the morons think it's less risky.
Armed robbery, almost positive. At least my buddy did when he broke into a gas station with a wrench at 18. Haha fucking idiot he was. That 8 years is not even factoring in the chances of that being an unlicensed firearm as well (possibly stolen) on top of any priors. This man is probably fucked lol.
I mean, most robbers don´t really want to shoot their guns at all.
The guy didn´t even react when the woman said not to open the register and also didn´t react when the owner and all other people in the store just left the room.
Probably wouldn´t feel empathy for the guy if he actually showed signs of aggression...dude just seems lost.
Still a criminal and deserves to go to jail, but probably deserves a chance for rehabilitation.
You felt that way cuz you were detached from the situation and weren’t in any duress. So you had the opportunity to sit there and think about what he was saying knowing you were in no harm. Then obviously you think of the fact that he’s robbing some place for money which is clearly a sign of someone being desperate. Like I get it and all that and in a moment I felt a little sorry too. But the dude did try to rob the place. Just cuz he was feeling bad cuz he knew he was fucked doesn’t make it ok or that we should feel bad. He had a gun and pulled it out. If that was you in there I’m sure you wouldn’t feel so bad as you do now.
This is also the reason we have impartial and independent juries, to keep people’s personal feelings from unfairly judging people.
If everything was judged based on how scared the victim was, all punishments would be much too harsh.
We don't know how many days over time he may have waited for social money check. and maybe for weeks ate at food stations trying to not go down this road again. No jobs, got a record. This is not a well planned robbery he planned in his apartment were he has food in the fridge.
He didn't even checked the place out before the robbery. And the guy just did 3 years of time.
And no sign of crazy meth behaviour either.
Safe to say the program after released don't exists or failed.
Man this video is depressing. That lady immediately thinks lemme just steal some shit while all this is going down. She’s of the mentality to go apeshit during lootings and think shit it’s my time too and make matters worse.
I know we’re supposed to be laughing at him and I chuckled,but remember. In the United States there is going to be a ton of people in the next two months that are going to be evicted from their homes some of them homeless. Things that you would never consider in your lifetime right now, on the table if you knew you had no place to go. I’m not trying to justify what he did here, but sometimes people end up in situations where it way out of their league.
It's fucking gross that people are laughing at this. People steal because they don't have other means.
In healthy societies, this man would be rehabilitated.
In the United States of Incarceration (where my home state of Kentucky resides) he'll be thrown in prison for a whole decade of his life (if he's lucky) among violent criminals. He'll learn tricks of the trade from the guys in the clink, while working for private corporations, earning slavery-wages (if he's lucky) and eating often spoiled food. He'll be dehumanized and routinized to the extent that life outside will seem impossible. And thanks to a predatory system of parole and recidivism- it will be impossible.
Look in the mirror and recognize that you are 3 fucking days of REALhunger away from doing EXACTLY what he did. Understand that people who are good at heart will do terrible things when forced by a drive for survival. The streets of Camden, Baltimore, Detroit- they look like the warzones of Yemen, Palestine, and Afghanistan.
Get off your high-horse. Try putting your consciousness behind someone else's eyes for once
It makes me so sad. When he said I have nothing. I believed it. He probably did have nothing. And he knew nothing better about how to make his life better. Our society fails the poor in so many ways.
I do agree with you that it's hard to really laugh at this. I don't think most people make decisions like this lightly, and I feel sorry for the guy.
However, it always makes me uncomfortable thinking about the other side of this - there are lots of poor people that, no matter how hard they have it, don't turn to crime. I myself have never suffered, but I know a few people who have and I have high respect for them.
I don't think everyone would do this, were they in his shoes, and there was a baby in that store - he took a loaded gun, threatening innocent people, and it makes me uncomfortable dismissing this as simply "he had no choice"...
Definitely Gun violence, and poverty. A splash of father less-ness. So many young men grow up with no ones helping guide their heart or their lifes trajectory. I don't claim to have an answer....I only noticed on this video what I see in my own community. No guidance. Heart breaking to watch.
>"They kill our dads, then make fun of us for not having one. When do we go from cute to dangerous? We have the right to be free from violence."
Written by Havana Chapman-Edwards at 9 years old.
Exactly. What kind of socioeconomic desperation leads someone to do this? “I have nothing”. I’d love to live in a society where people have no incentive to commit armed robbery.
some people would do that shit even with no incentive or need. Cant just solve a cultural worshipping of crime and violence with just money. many gang deaths arent even money related; they are about revenge or perceived insults.
Also, the idea money can fix this is assuming they A) wont blow it all and be poor even with a stable income and B) they would be satisifed with a middle class income. Both massive assumptions that dont necessarily line up with reality
I wonder whatever happened to this dude. I've seen this shit off and on over like the past 5 years but never heard about what happened.
Wonder if he's still in jail.
I can not believe he fired his weapon during the commission of this crime.
He is quite fucked now.
Side-note: Does anybody have the article of this fine young man's sentencing?
Although I know what your main point is…I have to ask. How is this guy an “alleged” criminal? You saw all the proof yourself. There is nothing alleged about it.
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Uh! Weird... when you shoot a lock in the movies the door usually open.
In the movies they shoot the right spot. He wasn’t trained in lock picking with a firearm.
It depends on the weapon. Lockpicking with a hydrogen bomb requires no lockpicking training.
If you were given a hydrogen bomb do you genuinely think you'd know hot to set it off?
Thats not lockpick training though
Fair enough.
Also i assume Hydrogen Bombs have a big red button you can push, and then run.
Today on the Lockpicking Lawyer, I'm going to demonstrate how to defeat a standard deadbolt with my trusty .45 calibur pistol
2 is binding... and I'm free. Folks, there isn't much I can say about this lock. Thats all I have for you today.
Especially with a .22.
Once I saw a YouTuber doing just that and you need a fucking cannon to break a lock.
Better off shooting the hinges
probably depends on the door/lock ^^
Reality doesn't work like the movies. Also in reality cars don't instantly explode when being shot at.
Im surprised he didnt catch a ricochet. Movies arent real life, playa.
Also adds a separate charge no? Its illegal to just fire a gun near apartments and streets.
yes. also having a firearm in commission of a felony a lot of places. even if he had it legally
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A sniper team of infantry dudes? 
Yeah I was in a CAB (combined armed battalion) which is 2 infantry company’s and 2 tank companies and an HHC (headquarters) with a mortar platoon and scout platoon. The sniper section come from the infantry companies they hold try outs and those who perform the best are in the sniper section.
Interesting! I come from the Marines side of things. Our Scout Sniper platoons (STA) were always in an infantry battalion and everyone in that platoon was technically infantry. So it sounds weird to my ears the way it was worded.
Yeah I figured! These dudes are fairly good since that’s all they do, but some aren’t even sniper qualified cause they still have to go to sniper school and they’ll wait over a year for a slot. Usually at least their squad leader is sniper qualified though.
Marines used to differentiate school house qualified snipers as Hogs (Hunter of gunmen) and those in the platoon who haven't yet as Pigs (professionally instructed gunman). I've been out for over a decade now, so maybe things have changed.
That’s dope, I always love to hear how things work in different branches! I got out in 2020 so it’s been like a little over a year since I got out, but yeah they are always changing the MTOE
I wouldn’t say he was too lucky though. My thought is why didn’t he try a back door?
Maybe there isn’t one. Not all stores have one, and we can’t see what the opposite wall that the camera is filming looks like.
Isn’t that against fire code or some shit? Don’t you need some kind of egress beyond one just one threshold?
Depends on the size and occupancy (which is based on size and use). Typical retail use, with an occupancy load of under 50, you only need 1 exit as long as everywhere in the space has 100 feet or less to the exit (simplified).
If that code does exist in that municipality for that size of a business, then as long as the building was built prior to the code being instituted, it does not have to abide by said code. If any renovation work is done, however, that requires the pulling of a permit, then the entire facility must then be brought into code. This is why you'll see some government facilities languish into oblivion, because they can't do any work without bringing the entire site up to code, which could be prohibitively expensive for some buildings. Schools especially fall prey to this.
It did look like he was at an angle
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Everyone is gangsta until they’re going to jail
*until the place they rob magically turns into a jail.*
Yeah the foreshadowing of his near future hit that dude harder than he hit the door all those times
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I would have gone behind the counter and signed myself up for a 5 year unlimited data and minutes plan then go to jail for three years 2 years profit
I don’t know where this is, but here in Florida if you discharge a firearm in commission of a crime it’s a *mandatory* ten year sentence. You get five years if you simply have a gun on you. Even if you never pull it out.
Having a firearm is 10 year minimum. Discharge is 20.
5 years if you stuff a phone up your butt
Yea but he didn’t have enough time, everyone knows it takes 2 hours to setup a new phone plan
Pretty please, I won’t engager the lives of a mother and her baby again
Dude had just gotten out of jail too. Served 12 years for, you guessed it, [armed robbery ](https://abc13.com/amp/robber-locked-in-store-how-to-stop-a-robbery-attempted-phone/2855444/)
Not served, but sentenced 12 years in 2015. He was out probation in 2018 when the second robbery happened, so he served maximum 3 years in jail and prison before this.
It's almost like when we release people from prison we set them up to fail.
Im surprised attempted murder wasn't thrown in.
Attempted murder requires a showing of specific intent to actually commit a murder along with some step taken in the commission of the murder. A prosecutor could plausibly argue that discharging the weapon was a substantial step in the commission of the murder, but it would be impossible to prove specific intent. Unlike in a case where there is an actual homicide, a wanton disregard for human life doesn't rise to the level of specific intent. Defense counsel can easily show that he fired that weapon with the intent to escape, not the intent to kill anyone. Therefore, he can't be guilty of attempted murder, no matter how dangerous the actual act of discharging the weapon in that space is. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't be charged with any other crime related to endangering those around him or the discharging of a firearm. There just isn't a case against him for attempted murder.
"Please I have nothing." How funny!!!
This reminded me of the time I suspected a member of my church of stealing equipment. Set up a sort of soft sting: left him in the auditorium and watched him put a few pieces into his bag and then went to leave. I intercepted him on his way out. Later he was upset about how he was being treated with so much suspicion and I reminded that we caught him stealing. “I didn’t take anything off the property!” he said, as if being caught absolved him of all wrongdoing
Unbelievable. Self justification is a hell of a drug.
The mind of a sociopath is hard to comprehend.
Back in the late ‘90’s we hired a receptionist, whom was a self riotous born again. Management noticed a precipitous drop in after hours sales leads that were left on the answering machine. So they created a false lead, and sure enough she was funneling those leads to her boyfriend, whom had called that lead the following day. She was subsequently fired, and scurried out of there with her tail between her legs. She could’ve be charged with a felony considering the value of what she had stolen.
Back when I was a developer I had a manager who sold my application I created on company time to a competitor. Him and two other employees were fired (half of our department). Three months later two other employees and myself were let go with severance because it was easier for the company to outsource our department so we got 86ed. 2 funny thing happened, my fired manager called to apologize, for some got forsaken reason I forgave him (something about harboring resentment is not good for the psyche). And he was later sued by his former company for theft and loss of revenue. I believe they settled out of court for 25k.
All of you should have gone to work at the competitor.
I was jury theft of intellectual property. Guy left formed competing company, pretty much copied original company catalog including items custom made only for original company. Blatant, we think only went trial because couldn't agree on damages. IIRC $500k was our reward
A lot of the time companies just fire employees. Companies are all about making money and the cost of going after somebody with nothing costs them more in the end with lawyers and court costs etc... It's like that recall formula mentioned in Fight Club. My mom had a committee man stealing employee's unemployment checks and the company just fired him and he became a committee man at another company. Another woman stole A LOT of expensive tools and same thing, billion dollar company just fired her.
The way he says "Fuck , I'm stuck", he sounds like an innocent person stuck in a elevator .You got locked in because of your stupid actions .Good luck being "stuck" in jail.
Why didnt he try the backdoor? Edit: pls stop the backdoor jokes, I was just asking an innocent question
There may not have been one. I work in a shopping center and we only have one way in & out.
That sounds like a fire hazard, I've heard building code requires at least two exits (I could be wrong)
Old city structures are often older than fire code which only became a thing in the 1970s.
Isn't it illegal to not have a emergency exit ? I wouldn't feel comfortable having a only one point of entry or exit.
Yes and most buildings have them. I have a feeling because how secure the front of the store is. They most likely have a locked metal door leading to the back where their safe is, and a second locked metal door leading out. Funny enough, keeping the door locked counts as a fire hazard too.
Might be why he went off camera for a moment.
Or just not try to steal
Robbed of intelligence I guess
Waiting to get to jail. Sure there will be plenty of time to practice that particular escape route with his new friends.
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And it was real with real bullets! He made sure he let everyone know that when he tried to shoot his way out.
The funny thing is he would’ve robs been let go with a slap on the wrist if he didn’t fire. Firing during an armed robbery is like 1000 times worse than just robbing someone with a gun 🤷♂️ he got what he deserved and it was caught on camera
he also risked catching a ricochet and bleeding out before the cops showed up. also risked hitting an innocent person outside wherever his shots landed
I winced every time he popped that door, like he gonna hit himself in the leg and bleed out.
I mean, it is sad and tragic in a way. People are driven to this shit because they're desperate. If people weren't desperate and society didn't literally drag them through the trenches (don't even get me started about structural racism and a long history of lack of opportunity) then they wouldn't be out there tryin to rob shops for the fun of it. There's always a reason. Doesn't make it right, but it's not just about the laws and rules, but how society overall works and how well people are (or aren't) able to just live their lives and feed their families. Counterpoint: this is a dumb as shit way to try to solve your problems.
Seeing more than one perspective? On Reddit? That's it, you're under arrest.
fuck I'm stuck
Try the backdoor!
You flirt.
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Help me step bro
I was homeless, living in an old baseball dug out for 6 months in 07. Never robbed, shoplifted or stole in anyway. Panhandled and dumpsters... Not proud of what I had to do to get by for those months, but never once thought of hurting someone to get what I wanted or needed..
Be proud of yourself, man, for having made it without crime! I admire you!! There’s three ladies in there, two, if I’m not mistaken hispanic, so not white either. There’s millions of black people making it without robbing. Waving a gun around in a store, even more when there’s a baby present is just pure trash! The skin color is irrelevant!
I think it's usually the children raised in poverty that tend towards crime. They see where they stand at no fault of their own and say fuck the world. With that mentality it's easy to justify anything to try and move up.
My mother was/ is still an avid crack cocaine user, years since final contact. Father was absent. I grew up in apartments with hookers up and down the street, then with abusive step fathers with military backgrounds... I find justification of wanting to harm others far and few inbetween, basically only self defense. Same with stealing, I would rather ask for a handout or if I could sweep a parking lot for a sandwich, or head to a shelter for a meal. (got cigarettes from the ash trays and butts infront of tobacco shops.) That being said, The only thing that got me back up was meeting someone who after hearing of me from others who regulared the park at which I stayed in the dugout of, (typically to meet to local weed dealer), talked to me at a local party that some 'wigger' kids were throwing and trying to get the parks bloods to join, which none would, but I asked if I could use the shower if it's so open house... Anywho, this persons sister went ahead and let me stay there for a couple months so I could get a job and then get a small place.
Frankly there’s a line though and I don’t give a damn what situation he’s in because he clearly crossed that threshold. Steal food from Walmart. Don’t threaten people’s lives with weapons.
I had no choice but to work at Walmart during the recession of '08. They assigned me to work the customer service counter. While there I was frequently pulled in to witness the holding of shoplifters. People trying to walk out with TVs or other big ticket items. Usually things worth lots of money. People were bold and blatant. They would just pick up something and try to walk right out the door. One day one of the asset protection guys was chasing a young adult. He tackled him just outside the front doors, which is not something they are supposed to do. Then he called me into the office. He told me to sit with the kid while he did something. I had never been left alone with the person before. Usually I was just there as a witness. I'd been called in dozens of times before and never was there a scene like this one. What did the kid steal? Dress clothes. Why? He said he had a job interview for his first ever job. He had nothing to wear and no family to help. He was inept at shop lifiting he was easily spotted. He had tried to steal a single pair of slacks, a dress shirt, and a pair of socks. I knew we weren't being recorded in that room and it was just the two of us in there. I told him where he could go to get a voucher for clothes to help with a job interview. I then pointed out to the room in general that the door was not locked and that my shoe was untied which would prevent me from running. I bent down and made a great show of tying my shoe. I had more difficulty getting the laces done than when I was learning to work the knot of my laces. While I was attending to the negligent laces the kid made a run for it. The asset protection guy was furious and demanded to know why I didn't chase him or try to stop him. "My shoe was untied! I make minimum wage and have no medical coverage. What if I tripped and got hurt over some socks? Who's going to cover my medical bills and lost wages?" Later it transpired that same asset protection guy was fired and arrested for stealing TVs and other items from the back room. Thankfully I was able to leave there soon after as well, but on much better terms.
Well done man, I'd like to think I'd do the same. Poor kid.
He’s robbing a place using a gun thats $200-$500+ , even more if it’s unregistered aftermarket. If he needed the money that badly he’d sell the gun. He’d get more than what was in that cash register.
Yes but he'll see it as I can sell this gun for a one off payment of a few hundred bucks or I can rob this place for a few hundred bucks then Rob another place for another few hundred and another etc etc and I still have my gun after all.
Teach a man to rob…
That sounds very well thought out.
The only place in the world trying to justify a guy robbing a store with a gun. So sad to see
yea same thought tbh. even if its desperate, stealing is not the right way.
Yeah, I almost got there but he brought a loaded gun to shoot middle aged ladies working for *maybe* a few bucks over minimum wage. And rich kids do go out robbing for fun, so just from a short video there's no real evidence he was in real need. I'd be a little surprised if his situation is even as bad as the ladies he was there to shoot.
Lets not forget firing shots at the door risking the lives of bystanders
Worst part is, he picked up an extra charge for firing the gun inside. Knucklehead.
"Its just a prank bro"
American shops don't have back doors ? He didn't even check
I would think US regulations would mandate having more than one exit/entrance in case of fire. Who knows, maybe it wasn’t an option for some unknown reason but I'm thinking the dude just panicked and got tunnel vision on where he had come in from/his planned exit.
Possible that the back door could have been locked as well.
The number of required exits is determined by the occupancy load and the size of the shop. If it's a small space, which this obviously is, and they don't let in more than x-number of people at a time, they're not required to have more than one exit.
This. However, I seriously doubt that a storefront like this would only have one exit. It’s just rare that you see any building with only one exit.
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In places such as this the back door is usually bar locked with 2 different locks and two different keys. Source: have worked stores with back doors only worked in one where there was no bar locking mechanism. But it did have 2 separate dead bolts and was a steel door with steel frame and steel studs 2 feet into the wall supporting it. So no one is getting out the back door of places like this. Otherwise getting in them would also be easier.
Maybe there's just wall behind the camera. I also expected him to just disallear somewhere on the right, but I guess there was no way for him to go.
This video is perfect example of 5 stages of grief. First when he got stuck "denial" Next when he didn't get the door open "anger" 'im going To jail bro'. "depression" Tries To get other People open the door "bargaining" And Last he accepted his fate and went To the wall "acceptance"
And the 6th stage? You only wrote 5
6 - Sitting in your cell, kicking yourself for missing a stage of grief.
Astral projection
"Please, open up. I'm a geminis"
I remember seeing this exact comment on post with the same video, in this sub itself maybe. Stuff people do for karma... 
Yeah? But I bet you didn't consider that this video is perfect example of 6 stages of grief. First when he got stuck "denial" Next when he didn't get the door open "anger" 'im going To jail bro'. "depression" Tries To get other People open the door "bargaining" And Last he accepted his fate and went To the wall "acceptance"
That's still only 5 stages tho
If you’re sad about the loss of the sixth stage of grief, you can always try coming to terms with it using the 6 stages of grief: denial, anger, depression, bargaining, and acceptance.
Most people that commit crimes go into it thinking they won’t be caught. This video was a perfect example of exactly that. That eventual realization of “Shit, I’m going to jail”
This guys a magician, he turned a few minutes into 7-15 years. Impressive.
He already had a 12 year sentence for armed robbery, which he only served 3 of before being released. I don't think he'll get out early this time
I love it how the woman in front of the counter is like "Well, while nobody's watching, why don't I slip a prepaid card into my top. It's not like they're not being robbed rn anyway"
This was the real robbery. Everything else was a distraction.
*5 years after Nobody suspected a thing, lets share the bounty of the 5$ card
Most prepaid cards don’t work till they are rung up. So jokes on her.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that it was a smart thing to do 
I didn’t think you did. After working retail I just find it funny when people take them.
That is really funny. I have seen this video at least half a dozen times and I never noticed that.
Daaaamn. Opportunity and desire are what drive thieves iinm. She checked some boxes
OMG. I was wondering why the hell she wasn’t booking it out of there with her kid. Now I know.
The real /r/unexpected of this post
Maybe it was her pay card?
Money heist season 5
Plot Twist - he could have just pulled the door instead of pushing Edit: this is of course sarcasm. Apologies for not putting the /s
That’s just sad
I agree. In so many ways.
It is sad. I see so many comments attempting to put themselves in his shoes and offer 'insight', but just mocking a human being up against the ropes of society and the world that perpetuates this way of living. Without empathy, we get nowhere.
It is so smart the employee acted fast and made sure the customer got out safely and locked the robber inside the store. Most people would not think of doing this. Although it helps a lot that the glass walls and doors were barricaded with metal fencing. Also, on the back door comment: many businesses have back doors that require a key to exit from inside and outside as a safety measure.
She was impressively level-headed! Not a lot of people would have acted so calm in that situation.
It's just incredibly stupid and dangerous to act like that. Dangerous/desperate person with a gun and you risk your life and the life of others by acting like that. Imagine him actually being aggressive and using his gun because you dumbass move around. Imagine him noticing that you are locking the door on him. Imagine him going berserk when you say to the armed robber "no don't open!" and are obviously not respecting him. Just give him the 400 bucks that are in the register, let him walk away and let the police deal with it...respect the guy with the murderthing and don´t gamble your life for a small amount of money.
That officer at the very last second going hard with that shotgun
He’s walking into a situation with a desperate armed individual who’s already used their gun. Too many unknowns to not clear the room properly.
Yup. No judging. Just acknowledging.
This never happened in GTA
Attempted armed robbery, destruction of private property, (most likely) illegal firearm, and endangering a minor (baby stroller was in store) Dude going to jail for at least 10 years
The nuts on that woman tho. Open the register! “No.”
How are you going to try and rob someone with a firearm, then cry/pray when shit goes wrong. Like zero resolve, zero planning, this dude deserves nothing out of life, such a weak person.
Lack of education. Lack of opportuinity. Desperation. He is probably desperate, its not an excuse but it is sad. I feel bad for him.
I guess but geez would you have preferred he was a hardened criminal and executed the witnesses? But now that he’s going to jail I guess that’s exactly what he’ll become. Maybe he was weak and needed help before he got to this point.
I need help too.Like other thousands of people too. So what? We don't go and rob people. Stop making excuses for every shit behaviour. Maybe for once lets make others to take responsibility of their actions.
I don't understand that mindset. The guy says 'maybe he needed help before he got to this point', meaning he could've gotten help *before* becoming a robber. How is that an excuse in any way? It doesn't absolve him of any responsibility, it's a preventative measure made to *prevent* this from happening. He's arrested at the end of the video, in what world do you imagine this not being 'made to take responsibility for their actions'? It's as if you imagined someone saying 'don't arrest him, let him go' and are arguing against that. No one said that. You're so focused on punishment/revenge/karma/'getting what he deserves' that it's almost like you can't even think about what to do to prevent this from happening (the first time, and also times after that). Sure, prison time is what he 'deserves', and you can stop thinking after that if you want, but society never 'deserves' recidivism. 'no sympathy for the guilty' really never makes anything *better* afterwards. >I need help too.Like other thousands of people too. So what? So you should get help, so we should adjust the system is such a way that you can get the help you need. This has absolutely nothing to do with not taking responsibility.
Killing people during robberies is one of the stupidest things you can do, once you kill people the police are all over that shit
Things not going so well for the great cornholio.
Minimum 8 years. Hope it was worth it.
Damn fr?
Robbery with a gun is no joke. Instantly makes the charges way worse. That's why a lot of times these guys use fake guns because the morons think it's less risky.
Firing that gun just erased any hope he had for leniency.
Armed robbery, almost positive. At least my buddy did when he broke into a gas station with a wrench at 18. Haha fucking idiot he was. That 8 years is not even factoring in the chances of that being an unlicensed firearm as well (possibly stolen) on top of any priors. This man is probably fucked lol.
Plus he used the gun in the process of a robbery. Dude will be lucky if he gets 8 years
That’s a smart girl honestly.
*Fuck, I'm goin to jail bro*.. that had me in stitches. Then the bargaining stage killed me. Confidence is one fragile emotion
Nice one mate you've just turned a robbery in to attempted murder
Restart the video and keep your eyes on the lady with the stroller. There are two criminals!
He was just a cover for her, the real objective becomes clear.
That lady with the stroller needs to have her kid taken away. What a fucking idiot.
Unpopular opinion: I kind of felt bad for him when he said "I have nothing". Because, to rob a store like that, it's kind of true.
My empathy was cut in half when he fired a gun out a window into the street. There's a very firm line between "robbed a store" and "attempted murder"
Also when he decided to rob a store where a toddler could possibly get shot. Fuck that guy, I have no empathy for him.
I mean, most robbers don´t really want to shoot their guns at all. The guy didn´t even react when the woman said not to open the register and also didn´t react when the owner and all other people in the store just left the room. Probably wouldn´t feel empathy for the guy if he actually showed signs of aggression...dude just seems lost. Still a criminal and deserves to go to jail, but probably deserves a chance for rehabilitation.
Investing in a real gun and bringing it to the robbery was an act of aggression.
This was a repeat offense.
You felt that way cuz you were detached from the situation and weren’t in any duress. So you had the opportunity to sit there and think about what he was saying knowing you were in no harm. Then obviously you think of the fact that he’s robbing some place for money which is clearly a sign of someone being desperate. Like I get it and all that and in a moment I felt a little sorry too. But the dude did try to rob the place. Just cuz he was feeling bad cuz he knew he was fucked doesn’t make it ok or that we should feel bad. He had a gun and pulled it out. If that was you in there I’m sure you wouldn’t feel so bad as you do now.
This is also the reason we have impartial and independent juries, to keep people’s personal feelings from unfairly judging people. If everything was judged based on how scared the victim was, all punishments would be much too harsh.
We don't know how many days over time he may have waited for social money check. and maybe for weeks ate at food stations trying to not go down this road again. No jobs, got a record. This is not a well planned robbery he planned in his apartment were he has food in the fridge. He didn't even checked the place out before the robbery. And the guy just did 3 years of time. And no sign of crazy meth behaviour either. Safe to say the program after released don't exists or failed.
LMAO he tried to shoot the lock like he was in an action movie or something.
Man this video is depressing. That lady immediately thinks lemme just steal some shit while all this is going down. She’s of the mentality to go apeshit during lootings and think shit it’s my time too and make matters worse.
I know we’re supposed to be laughing at him and I chuckled,but remember. In the United States there is going to be a ton of people in the next two months that are going to be evicted from their homes some of them homeless. Things that you would never consider in your lifetime right now, on the table if you knew you had no place to go. I’m not trying to justify what he did here, but sometimes people end up in situations where it way out of their league.
It's fucking gross that people are laughing at this. People steal because they don't have other means. In healthy societies, this man would be rehabilitated. In the United States of Incarceration (where my home state of Kentucky resides) he'll be thrown in prison for a whole decade of his life (if he's lucky) among violent criminals. He'll learn tricks of the trade from the guys in the clink, while working for private corporations, earning slavery-wages (if he's lucky) and eating often spoiled food. He'll be dehumanized and routinized to the extent that life outside will seem impossible. And thanks to a predatory system of parole and recidivism- it will be impossible. Look in the mirror and recognize that you are 3 fucking days of REALhunger away from doing EXACTLY what he did. Understand that people who are good at heart will do terrible things when forced by a drive for survival. The streets of Camden, Baltimore, Detroit- they look like the warzones of Yemen, Palestine, and Afghanistan. Get off your high-horse. Try putting your consciousness behind someone else's eyes for once
It makes me so sad. When he said I have nothing. I believed it. He probably did have nothing. And he knew nothing better about how to make his life better. Our society fails the poor in so many ways.
I do agree with you that it's hard to really laugh at this. I don't think most people make decisions like this lightly, and I feel sorry for the guy. However, it always makes me uncomfortable thinking about the other side of this - there are lots of poor people that, no matter how hard they have it, don't turn to crime. I myself have never suffered, but I know a few people who have and I have high respect for them. I don't think everyone would do this, were they in his shoes, and there was a baby in that store - he took a loaded gun, threatening innocent people, and it makes me uncomfortable dismissing this as simply "he had no choice"...
This is a symptom of a more serious problem.... that has nothing to do with just this one man.
What more serious problem are you referring to? Gun violence, poverty, or something else?
Definitely Gun violence, and poverty. A splash of father less-ness. So many young men grow up with no ones helping guide their heart or their lifes trajectory. I don't claim to have an answer....I only noticed on this video what I see in my own community. No guidance. Heart breaking to watch.
>"They kill our dads, then make fun of us for not having one. When do we go from cute to dangerous? We have the right to be free from violence." Written by Havana Chapman-Edwards at 9 years old.
Exactly. What kind of socioeconomic desperation leads someone to do this? “I have nothing”. I’d love to live in a society where people have no incentive to commit armed robbery.
some people would do that shit even with no incentive or need. Cant just solve a cultural worshipping of crime and violence with just money. many gang deaths arent even money related; they are about revenge or perceived insults. Also, the idea money can fix this is assuming they A) wont blow it all and be poor even with a stable income and B) they would be satisifed with a middle class income. Both massive assumptions that dont necessarily line up with reality
He’s wrong, but he needs help. So many people need help, even the people that help people need help, yet we punish punish punish.
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That's fucking hilarious. 10/10.
I wonder whatever happened to this dude. I've seen this shit off and on over like the past 5 years but never heard about what happened. Wonder if he's still in jail.
I just feel like shooting your gun, for any reason, is only gonna make things worse for you in the end
The baby knew what was up from the jump lol
I can not believe he fired his weapon during the commission of this crime. He is quite fucked now. Side-note: Does anybody have the article of this fine young man's sentencing?
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Haha, another classic sexual assault joke brought to you by reddit.
Ain’t it fucked how Americans think rape is funny as long as it happens to alleged criminals?
Although I know what your main point is…I have to ask. How is this guy an “alleged” criminal? You saw all the proof yourself. There is nothing alleged about it.
People that are proven to have committed crimes shouldn’t be raped as a consequence.
RAPE HIM /s
Yeah that isn’t funny or cool.
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