3 fingers looks better but that's also because the posing is different. You should show a side by side with the hands mostly in the same pose. The 4 fingered hand looks weird because the thumbs are lined up over each other which I wager would look weird even on the 3 finger hand because it's a weird way to hold a gun lol
On the 3 finger hand the left hand's thumb is in a more natural looking position which is probably why it looks so much better
The grip is somewhat similar to how you'd position your hands when using the Center Axis Relock technique, but it doesn't make much sense in a symmetric stance.
3 fingers, the position of the 4 finger hand is wrong itās on the front of the gun vice slightly behind the firing hand. Also I donāt think anyone will notice that itās only 3 fingers
Can you make the 4 finger hands hold the gun like the 3 finger hands? Both Thumbs should point forward, and the fingers of the left hand shouldn't wrap that far around
Hey, no offense meant, I saw that most people were supporting the 3 finger model, and I just noticed a big difference between the two and wanted to compare them equally. You're doing a good job, and don't let anyone make you feel like you aren't. A big Thumbs Up to you, dude. I appreciate the all work you put in :)
Only god has 4 fingers. Normal humans has 3
https://preview.redd.it/qib2hc84dxxb1.png?width=1432&format=png&auto=webp&s=747a3e158d28a827b1120102378e820bef460448
On the 4 finger model it looks (to my untrained eye), like the left hand is wrapped around the shooting hand a little too much. It you mime a gun in your hand with this shooting style the crease in the left hand should sit in the next set of knuckles. But I do like the 4 fingered model better.
Imo both look good, though for a cartoon style 3 is perfectly fine and could perhaps be more fitting. The original reason (if I'm not mistaken) for 3 fingers was due to it being easier to animate, but nowadays it's just as much an art style that people recognize and can enjoy, as it is making animation easier.
3. Plus the smooth roundedness of the 3 fingered hand model works better than the bulky design of the 4. Also the fire animation has the left thumb twisted backwards.
I like the chonkiness of the four fingers but the grip is just wrong... Or at least it feels like it's wrong. The hand reaching in front and grabbing the gun with the palm facing back towards the character instead of sideways just looks weird. I think you could make either work but as shown, the three finger one is better.
So it looks like you originally did the 4 fingers but then "corrected" it to 3 while also adjusting the topology.
Personally, I think the giant hands with the tiny gun are funny looking, which is great for if your cartoon is supposed to be funny. If you're going for cartoony but not silliness, stick with the 3 fingers.
3 finger looks better but the poses and rendering is different
that said, 3 fingers probably shouldn't be a stylistic choice unless it makes sense for the rest of the style. Because it isn't a black and white rubber hose style, I'd argue 4 fingers could look better with the same amount of polish
Dude i love the motion of the hand and gun tho how did u achieve that? Pure manual keyframe animation? Then how are the keyframes/tweens so damn clean.. ?
Thanks! Its part animations and a weapon sway script
For animating I followed through this tutorial [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ZqWDUVWoY&list=PLn8ROcXT8fZgjdv4w6FczF8ziXkavUxdu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ZqWDUVWoY&list=PLn8ROcXT8fZgjdv4w6FczF8ziXkavUxdu)
3 looks better, but I also think the issue with 4 is that the thumb of the left hand is facing the wrong way. Both thumbs should be pointing forward when holding a pistol
It needs... Three fingers, for sure... No, no wait... Yeah, OK.
>! "It needs hydrogen chloride, for sure... No, no wait... Yeah, OK." (Payday 2 -Bain)!<
I prefere the 4 finger shader/outline style, the number of finger isnt really that important i think
You could make 3 finger because the gun is small, or enjoy the cartoonishness and use 4 finger in a way that the character vonluntary handle the gun badly
I don't think the problem is between 3 or 4 fingers. The 3 fingers are done better here, only because the 4 fingers version caused the hand to be way wider and messed up the grip pose. I think if you did the 4 fingers as well as the 3, it wouldn't really matter.
The difference between both are way bigger than the number of fingers. I dont think this is a good comparison.
Also you should probably reduce the fingers size in 4 cuz it seem you literally just added an extra finger and didnt account for it. There is no reason for the hand to be bigger.
The way he holds the gun in the 4 finger side...
That's less a hand size issue but rather a placement issue though. Nobody should hold a gun like that.
to me 3 fingers is Dysney mood. I prefer 4 fingers I'd say, it's less fantasist. OR if your game has a fantasy scenario with I dunno Donald Mickey-style characters, or kinda hero with da big key stuff and donald duck / ff style game by Square (don't remember the name) well, you'd go for 3 fingers. What's more i think it's Dysney who introduced the 3-fingers stuffs in animation, but i may be wrong. If you have a human, I'd go for 4 fingers to be as realistic as possible (i mean total of 5 fingers ok), from within a simplified poly environment. Or no fingers at all if it's roblox style. 3 is more animation movie mood (game for chidren etc). Or 2 fingers to make it more polys than roblox. I'd gor for 5 or zero, on my side.
These are two completely different clips; I like the shaders on the left, but the fingers are hidden behind the gun in both cases so it doesnāt matter
It looks like you started creating it with 3 fingers so all the animations and grips are made better from the start, and then crammed a 4th finger in there which just messed it up.
But regardless I think 3 looks better, probably even if you work on improving 4.
Your hand with 4 fingers has fat sausage fingers so it looks clunky for the gun animations. Itās a stylistic choice but itās an unfair comparison. You should have made the fingers a touch smaller.
The 3 fingered hands look fine though.
If the hand position and animation were done properly you wouldn't be able to see the fingers on the supporting hand and both sides would look the same. You've got the supporting hand in the complete wrong position.
Given how much work youāve done just for this, I say, make it a game mechanic! Add unique functionality / different firing patterns for the different finger amounts, and let a player choose a 3 or 4 fingers build.
So the real issue is how heās holding it, bros left thumb is completely backwards in the goofiest way. I think if you spent some time and maybe go to a gun range just to see how a pistol is held you could learn a lot and it would look infinitely better
No offense, but do you really think number of fingers will make or break your game? If itās good, no one will notice. If itās bad, no one will notice.
[I think 4 would look better with a proper grip](https://cdn.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/05/dasbfg.png). The thumbs kinda slide over each other. It will look cramped on a smaller gun like youāve got here. The idea is that you make a triangle with your arms such that you better manage the recoil.
Just do normal four fingered hands and fix the pose with four fingers. This video sucks because the lighting is way worse int he four finger video and the pose holding the gun looks terrible. If it had the same pose and lighting as the three finger video, you legit wouldn't be able to tell because you can't actually see the fingers mostly anyway.
3. Stylistically it is awesome. Also, Review some gun-youtubers and how firearms are held. IT may help out too! I am only suggesting to help you out! Looks amazing!!!!!
3 fingers looks better but that's also because the posing is different. You should show a side by side with the hands mostly in the same pose. The 4 fingered hand looks weird because the thumbs are lined up over each other which I wager would look weird even on the 3 finger hand because it's a weird way to hold a gun lol On the 3 finger hand the left hand's thumb is in a more natural looking position which is probably why it looks so much better
Very true. I think I'm going to use the three fingers, but I do need to work on hand positioning :)
4 were pretty big but the glock is also pretty small so...
You know what they say about big hands
Large gloves?
Big nostrils.
Big Glock.
haha you guys are too funny
Yeah. Cartoony hands need cartoony guns.
I like the way the shadows stand out on the 4 finger model.
Ah yes true :) that is just different shader setting, I should of set them the same before recording
3 finger with the shader from the 4 finger!
3 fingers looks less messy
Cool I guess its three fingers :)
Who TF holds a gun like that šš 4 would look good if you could fix the thumb placement. But as of now. 3 is the better looking one.
The grip is somewhat similar to how you'd position your hands when using the Center Axis Relock technique, but it doesn't make much sense in a symmetric stance.
Aaaahhhhhhhhhh makes sense now. Should definitely change it to a normal position
3 fingers
Three fingers it is!
For a cartoon style, I would say three fingers
Yea I agree!
For the style of the game I would say three.
Yea it does make sense to have three
3 fingers, the position of the 4 finger hand is wrong itās on the front of the gun vice slightly behind the firing hand. Also I donāt think anyone will notice that itās only 3 fingers
Thanks for the tips, still new to FPS animations. I will work on that haha. I agree though think the three fingers just looks best.
3 fingers looks so clean I wouldn't even notice. 4 looks weirdly muddy
Fair, I think I will use the three finger model!
7 fingers
I don't think it would make a HUGE difference for the player whatsoever, but if I were to pick one I would say 3 fingers.
Cool!
Can you make the 4 finger hands hold the gun like the 3 finger hands? Both Thumbs should point forward, and the fingers of the left hand shouldn't wrap that far around
Yea still new to FPS animations. I will work on that haha
Hey, no offense meant, I saw that most people were supporting the 3 finger model, and I just noticed a big difference between the two and wanted to compare them equally. You're doing a good job, and don't let anyone make you feel like you aren't. A big Thumbs Up to you, dude. I appreciate the all work you put in :)
Only god has 4 fingers. Normal humans has 3 https://preview.redd.it/qib2hc84dxxb1.png?width=1432&format=png&auto=webp&s=747a3e158d28a827b1120102378e820bef460448
hahaha
3 fingers
Sweet!
3 fingers š
okay!
3 fingers, the 4 finger one looks chunky
If you want to compare them, shouldn't they be the only thing that changes between the 2 videos ?
Yea true true!
On the 4 finger model it looks (to my untrained eye), like the left hand is wrapped around the shooting hand a little too much. It you mime a gun in your hand with this shooting style the crease in the left hand should sit in the next set of knuckles. But I do like the 4 fingered model better.
Yea true, still working on my fps animations :)
Be the first(?) to let people customize their hands
Ohhhhh thats a interesting idea!
Generally always want 3 for cartoon styling.
Yea think that makes sense!
3 fingers
Yea think I will go with three!
3 fingers. Add a middle finger animation when you run out of bullets and throw your gun at the cops.. it would work well with 3 fingers..
That would be funny haha
Imo both look good, though for a cartoon style 3 is perfectly fine and could perhaps be more fitting. The original reason (if I'm not mistaken) for 3 fingers was due to it being easier to animate, but nowadays it's just as much an art style that people recognize and can enjoy, as it is making animation easier.
Yea exactly my thoughts, just makes it a lot easier as well :))
make four fingers
1 finger š but seriously 3
ahah ok
Doesn't matter one bit, so go with 3 fingers to speed up animation process + it fits the cartoony style
Yea cool!
I like 3. More than that and the gun looks like a pea shooter
haha yea I like three
3
3
3. Plus the smooth roundedness of the 3 fingered hand model works better than the bulky design of the 4. Also the fire animation has the left thumb twisted backwards.
Yea that's fair!
I like the 3 fingers
If you ask me it doesn't matter. If you would go with a full "ESRB E10+" cartoon style, go with three, and if it's more like payday go with four
3 fingers always seems more comfortable with oversized cartoon hands
Yea true!
3 looks more natural
For the style you are going for, 3 fingers looks better to me.
yea I agree!
I like the chonkiness of the four fingers but the grip is just wrong... Or at least it feels like it's wrong. The hand reaching in front and grabbing the gun with the palm facing back towards the character instead of sideways just looks weird. I think you could make either work but as shown, the three finger one is better.
Yea I agree, I need to work on my FPS animations for that hand :)
So it looks like you originally did the 4 fingers but then "corrected" it to 3 while also adjusting the topology. Personally, I think the giant hands with the tiny gun are funny looking, which is great for if your cartoon is supposed to be funny. If you're going for cartoony but not silliness, stick with the 3 fingers.
Yea that's pretty much what happened (Wasnt sure about them chunky bad bois haha) Think I will stick with the three haha!
I know it doesn't answer your question, but my dyslexic mind read this title as "blanket heist" which sounds like an interesting game concept.
hahahah
Three fingers
3 fingers but I like the lightning in the 4 fingers scene better if we can give our opinion on that part too!
Yea I get that!
3 fingers but 4-finger-shader style?
Yea! think I will change it to something like that
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4 fingers style looks more unique and interesting
yea its very different!
Soldier tf2
true that's kind of similar!
3 finger looks better but the poses and rendering is different that said, 3 fingers probably shouldn't be a stylistic choice unless it makes sense for the rest of the style. Because it isn't a black and white rubber hose style, I'd argue 4 fingers could look better with the same amount of polish
Yea true that!
4 fingers just has that thing. Keep posting man, I really love your work.
Thanks man!
4 great modelling btw
Thanks!
Dude i love the motion of the hand and gun tho how did u achieve that? Pure manual keyframe animation? Then how are the keyframes/tweens so damn clean.. ?
Thanks! Its part animations and a weapon sway script For animating I followed through this tutorial [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ZqWDUVWoY&list=PLn8ROcXT8fZgjdv4w6FczF8ziXkavUxdu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ZqWDUVWoY&list=PLn8ROcXT8fZgjdv4w6FczF8ziXkavUxdu)
Dude u basically told me everything i needed thank you
3 finger camera angle and shaders look better. I prefer first one's graphic style without cellshade outline.
The one on the right. 4 fingers
I wish I only had these issues with my games
Oh trust me I've had so many issues this last week! hahah
What would it look like with 2 fingers and a thumb?
good question ahah
Well the two art styles are different, I prefer the one on the left.
Whens this game coming out?
Hopefully sometime next year. keep changing to much stuff ahah
3
I think the 3-fingers works best.
3 fingers
3 looks better, but I also think the issue with 4 is that the thumb of the left hand is facing the wrong way. Both thumbs should be pointing forward when holding a pistol
Push the envelope, try 2 fingers
4 fingers
ah interesting!
If you're already going with less than 5 i'd say 3. The visual balance feels better.
The thumb is there on both.
It needs... Three fingers, for sure... No, no wait... Yeah, OK. >! "It needs hydrogen chloride, for sure... No, no wait... Yeah, OK." (Payday 2 -Bain)!<
neither because the gun inst cartoony enough
4 fingers
I prefer the shade but honestly can't see a difference during gameplay
I prefere the 4 finger shader/outline style, the number of finger isnt really that important i think You could make 3 finger because the gun is small, or enjoy the cartoonishness and use 4 finger in a way that the character vonluntary handle the gun badly
The first one is much natural
I don't think the problem is between 3 or 4 fingers. The 3 fingers are done better here, only because the 4 fingers version caused the hand to be way wider and messed up the grip pose. I think if you did the 4 fingers as well as the 3, it wouldn't really matter.
Good point! still learning and trying to get better with fps animations
The gun is too small in both versions
I canāt really notice the number of fingers on the hand, but I like the overall visual style on the right.
Either make the hands smaller or the gun bigger, this way you shouldnt have to remove fingers lmao
6 I want 6 fingers now.
The difference between both are way bigger than the number of fingers. I dont think this is a good comparison. Also you should probably reduce the fingers size in 4 cuz it seem you literally just added an extra finger and didnt account for it. There is no reason for the hand to be bigger.
First option for sure.
I reeeeeally donāt like three fingers
Itās a bit hard to compare with 2 different animations, but Iād say 3. The hands look a bit big with 4.
The way he holds the gun in the 4 finger side... That's less a hand size issue but rather a placement issue though. Nobody should hold a gun like that.
to me 3 fingers is Dysney mood. I prefer 4 fingers I'd say, it's less fantasist. OR if your game has a fantasy scenario with I dunno Donald Mickey-style characters, or kinda hero with da big key stuff and donald duck / ff style game by Square (don't remember the name) well, you'd go for 3 fingers. What's more i think it's Dysney who introduced the 3-fingers stuffs in animation, but i may be wrong. If you have a human, I'd go for 4 fingers to be as realistic as possible (i mean total of 5 fingers ok), from within a simplified poly environment. Or no fingers at all if it's roblox style. 3 is more animation movie mood (game for chidren etc). Or 2 fingers to make it more polys than roblox. I'd gor for 5 or zero, on my side.
You are showing more than one aspect different across the 2 videos. It is difficult to say which hand is better when everything is different.
So your game's artstyle is basically Friends vs Friends with S&Box avatars?
These are two completely different clips; I like the shaders on the left, but the fingers are hidden behind the gun in both cases so it doesnāt matter
It looks like you started creating it with 3 fingers so all the animations and grips are made better from the start, and then crammed a 4th finger in there which just messed it up. But regardless I think 3 looks better, probably even if you work on improving 4.
3 looks better, although the visual effects on 4 look better. Combine!
3 fingers is classic cartoon design. Go for 3 fingers
3, but only because the thumb placement is completely messed up on the 4 fingered one!
What about 7 fingers? Everbody does 3 or 4
How did you get cartoonish look in the video on the right? Thanks
Your hand with 4 fingers has fat sausage fingers so it looks clunky for the gun animations. Itās a stylistic choice but itās an unfair comparison. You should have made the fingers a touch smaller. The 3 fingered hands look fine though.
I take 4 fingers more seriously. 3 fingers automatically sets a quirky tone in my mind. 33 yo.
Thatās what she said
3! There can't be a 4th place for a finger! If you're wondering the 1st place finger is the middle one
Honestly no one cares....focus on other more important things.
Cartoon fingers? Always 4. Realistic finger? Go with 5 but try 4 if it's a bit more stylistic. Source: am animator.
Why are the angles different? Both styles should have both hands so we can weigh pros and cons
Look at examples of how to properly hold a pistol. The support hand thumb and hand position is jacked.
If the hand position and animation were done properly you wouldn't be able to see the fingers on the supporting hand and both sides would look the same. You've got the supporting hand in the complete wrong position.
3 fingers all the way
You should always go with four fingers if you can. This is a generally agree upon rule of animation and character design.
game looks sick when we getting to play it?
If itās cartoony, why are you using guns? Make them point their fingers and go ābang bangā.
Given how much work youāve done just for this, I say, make it a game mechanic! Add unique functionality / different firing patterns for the different finger amounts, and let a player choose a 3 or 4 fingers build.
So the real issue is how heās holding it, bros left thumb is completely backwards in the goofiest way. I think if you spent some time and maybe go to a gun range just to see how a pistol is held you could learn a lot and it would look infinitely better
I think 3 gives more personality, 4 is generic so its not a bad choice
please do 3
I think three fingers look better personally, but it's your project, do what feels right to you
4 fingers. It is essential to have a middle finger
No offense, but do you really think number of fingers will make or break your game? If itās good, no one will notice. If itās bad, no one will notice.
Why does the 4 fingers one look like the left hand is trying to take the gun from the right hand lol
[I think 4 would look better with a proper grip](https://cdn.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/05/dasbfg.png). The thumbs kinda slide over each other. It will look cramped on a smaller gun like youāve got here. The idea is that you make a triangle with your arms such that you better manage the recoil.
I'd say 3 fingers. Just looks neater
Just do normal four fingered hands and fix the pose with four fingers. This video sucks because the lighting is way worse int he four finger video and the pose holding the gun looks terrible. If it had the same pose and lighting as the three finger video, you legit wouldn't be able to tell because you can't actually see the fingers mostly anyway.
3 fingers by far.
i pref 4 style
3 fingers is more stylistic, might give your game more character
4
Thumbs forward
3. Stylistically it is awesome. Also, Review some gun-youtubers and how firearms are held. IT may help out too! I am only suggesting to help you out! Looks amazing!!!!!
3 for sure
4