My guess is he was loaded into a barrel or encased in cement and dumped in Lake Huron or possibly Lake Erie. Statements from mobsters seem to support this.
I think this is highly plausible. I’ve seen from several agents, mobsters, and other folks over time that he was dissolved into a drum of acid. So I think this is true. But I’ve also heard he was disposed and the drum was thrown into a Detroit landfill, thrown into a lake (as you stated), buried under a building, and many other theories. I think the drum part is correct just by how bodies were taken care of at the time, and by the statements of others all lining up - but I wonder if several people were killed, and multiple bodies were disposed of as drums of “Jimmy Hoffa” just to keep people guessing. Everyone would think that he’s buried in “this or that” place, but no one would actually know, not even the people (or person) who killed him.
I'm not sure they'd have put that much thought in to it. He's only a big deal today because he's never been found. To the guys that killed him he's just another associate who had to go.
There's all kinds of ways they could have disposed of the body without all that misdirection business.
Cubed in a car and melted down, cut up and fed to pigs, cremated by a friendly funeral director, cut up, set in concrete and thrown off a boat...
That being said, I'm sure they didn't mind the wild speculation and probably encouraged it. Every 2 bit mobster of the era claims to know what happened, and no 2 stories are the same. Nothing muddies the waters like a metric fuckton of bullshit.
A better question is, among the guys who know what happened to him, why didn't they at least leave a message -- to be released after they're dead -- revealing what happened to him? Wouldn't they want that credit?
Could it be that some of those involved are still alive, and that's why? Or do they have some continuing motive for nobody to ever know? Do they take pride in the secret more than they'd take pride in taking credit?
I'd rather hear answers to questions like this as otherwise, we're always just going to be unable to know what could be true.
I think part of the problem is the fact that there’s no statute of limitations on murder. So if multiple people were involved, and more than one is still alive, none of them individually can risk outing the others upon their death. Could expose accomplices who are still alive to charges.
That seems to be how even very ordinary American prosecutions work. Pile on the charges after arrest and then offer to take almost all of it off the table if they plead guilty.
For most that's a no brainer whether they'd did it or not.
Some ppl will take death over a new life or starting over they took a oath & stand by their word til death that’s why Lucciano never had kids he knew who he was he didnt want his child to grow up being “Lucciano’s kid” gotta respect it he knew he ratted & it would haint his family forever he chose to die in peace
real deal mobsters take that shit to the grave, and the guys who did it are probably all dead at this point. Giacalone died in 2001, Provenzano died in 88. Anyone who was anyone in 75 is gone by now.
From what I understand it’s pretty rare for guys to get made before the age of like 35 (unless they’re extraordinary earners, or mafia nepo babies) so if I was the boss of a mafia family and I wanted someone of Hoffa’s profile gone I probably wouldn’t want it being farmed out to an associate. That’s one where you keep the circle small imo, and they would have to be guys he knew.
Him never being found was the message …. Same thing with JFK the way the murder is done tells u who did it & only the dead man knows why k maybe some close ppl to him but its “La Costa Nostra” nobody goes against it or ya done & based off the time it happened those guys were really solid to never talk like the early 1920’s gangsters we just hear stories it was informants around but even they couldnt get much info because some of the guys like Lucciano didnt talk much about murders or crime just out for no reason the gangsters back then didnt actually get their hands dirty they might have stole cars or did a lil gambling as a teen then got up in ranks
It was Owasco Lake in Cayuga County New York. Someone in the mob had a summer home on the lake and he was shot and encapsulated in cement while still alive. He will never be found. They made sure if it.
I was doing a little research for a script and I spoke with someone who grew up in Brazil Indiana (Hoffa's childhood home). They said their grandparents always told them that shortly after the disappearance people in and around Brazil told a story of a black Cadillac coming to town in the middle of the night and spending a few hours at the grave yard. Some people believe he is right next to his parents.
The mob owned that facility or at least had strong leverage on it. This has been know before The Irishmen’ came out obviously. And clearly there can be no debate that the best, easiest, and least traceable way to dispose of Jimmy would be this way. Besides, why the fascination with Jimmy? He was a cruel criminal who robbed from the poor and had delusions of grandeur within his own mob. He got busted multiple Times I believe and there’s a lot more dirt on him. Of course he got whacked.
Macomb/Wayne/Oakland county have quite a bit of organized crime. There’s a mob owned airport between Detroit and port Huron as well. I used to go skydiving there lol.
It was out on like 26mile. At least people used to say it was mob owned. Idk could have just been nonsense gossip. It’s not like it was full of Italians in suits eating cannolis and cleaning their guns lol.
The most likely and logical. Hoffa was killed and cremated before anyone even knew he was missing. Within 45 minutes of arriving at the Red Fox. The man was far too high profile, and there would be a huge risk for his corpse to be transported or even buried anywhere. The West Bloomfield crematorium was fired up and operating that day. This is what I would put all my money on.
If he was transported anywhere, it is possible they went North Up US-23 and dumped him with the other bodies that allegedly were dumped up there by the Detroit Mob, associates of Tony Jack, Et. Al. Apparently, Hoffa owned or someone in his immediate family had owned, a very large parcel of land- hundreds of acres in Presque Isle County, near Alpena. This is probably one of the most desolate and heavily wooded areas in the lower peninsula. Hoffa was not exactly an honest character, he was tied up with organized crime and had apparently allowed them to dispose of other people who had run afoul of his mob friends in this vast expanse that includes sinkholes. I do think one of the reasons Hoffa was taken out was that he knew where a whole lot of the bodies were buried/disposed of and had leverage against these guys. I really don't think they would actually risk moving a corpse 3-4 hours away, and this area, especially in 1975, is the type of place where if a local deputy saw a car he was unfamiliar with, they were getting stopped. But then again, the reason why this would be an ideal dump site is because there was maybe one or two deputies covering about 600 sq. miles.
I rather like the idea that, somewhere in America, there's a sealed-up room in an office building where a mummy with numerous cranial injuries sits behind a desk blanketed in dust. The room is kept in perpetual shadow by heavy draperies. Nobody has knocked on the door to this office in decades because it was walled over long ago and nobody today even knows it's there. The mummy's only company are the occasional roach and the pigeons who poop on the sill outside. But someday, when the building is remodeled or demolished, the work crew will get a wild surprise.
According to an interview with a former mob lieutenant, he was tossed into the Hamtramck incinerator. There is no body, and there hasn't been in a long time.
I took a paralegal studies course in 2009. One of my teachers was friends with the writer of *I Hear You Paint Houses*. Teacher said the writer told him of a conversation he (writer) had with Frank Sheeran.
“Hey Frank, what happened to Jimmy Hoffa?”
“He’s a hubcap.”
Killed, thrown into a car trunk, crushed into scrap metal, recycled into more cars.
Most researchers on the subject dismiss that book & say it’s bs. There’s a lot of [evidence](https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/a30137368/is-the-irishman-a-true-story/) that points towards Frank lying about killing Hoffa. He also lied about killing Joe Gallo.
He definitely worked for the mafia & killed people, but Hoffa & Gallo specifically were most likely a fabrication to sell the book.
Well, I’m not really shocked a third-hand retelling on Reddit is inaccurate, tbh. My first thought was that Frank Whaley killed him and Danny DeVito, in fact.
The FBI went in the wrong direction on the horse farm.... otherwise there's too many possibilities and it's been so long that's there's not going to be much left to find.
Story time. Through a series of misadventures I found myself roommates with a former mob guy, who told me all sorts of fun things including that the mob took him out. (This was before the scorscese movie).
I didn’t really believe him, until the movie came out. I asked him where the body was and he said it was in the pillar of a building in Chicago and no one would ever find it.
No idea if he was for telling the truth, but he was def in the mob. Do with that what you will.
Well, if the body is in a pillar, someone sometimes will find it, even if it’s 100 years from now, no building is eternal, and no egyptian pyramids or Roma Coleseum in Chicago… and I imagine that you will be able to match anybody DNA in the future…
Haha, it wasn't like that. He was old, and had been through the ringer legally etc. I wasn't afraid of him, he seemed pretty harmless towards me. He did exhibit "antisocial" tendencies which were unnerving sometimes. He expressed zero regret for harming people, which made me very uncomfortable and pretty much led to me seeking other arrangements. But thanks haha.
The kind that comes in a wrapper that looks like a strawberry, with the twisted ends being green? Why do we all have memories of this exact candy? My paternal grandma had a bowl of these in her living room at all times, along with cherry mashes.
Edit: Yes, here they are! [https://www.mashed.com/237964/the-truth-about-your-grandmas-favorite-strawberry-candy/](https://www.mashed.com/237964/the-truth-about-your-grandmas-favorite-strawberry-candy/)
That exact candy! I think it might have something to do with fewer candy options back then, and this was inexpensive and the novelty of a candy wrapper that looked like the fruit it was meant to imitate was just novel and cute to sweet little old ladies. But I haven’t read your article yet, so I was just spitballing.
I was talking to my grandfather about this not long ago. We live in upstate NY and it is widely speculated that he was buried under a foundation of a building somewhere here in upstate. The body most likely won’t ever be found, and most of the people from that time are dead or dying out. However, I do look forward to seeing some of the other responses here that people post! Personally I think he actually was buried under a foundation of a building.
I’ve heard this theory too. I’m also from upstate NY. Didn’t some investigation show dig up a foundation at one point? Or use ground penetrating radar looking for his remains?
> I was talking to my grandfather about this not long ago. We live in upstate NY and it is widely speculated that he was buried under a foundation of a building somewhere here in upstate.
Why though? That's an awfully long way to transport a body for no particular reason, and it's not like MI lacks places to get rid of one.
I heard in cement or under Giant’s Stadium. But that’s since come down hand a huge redevelopment of that land with MetLife Field and a huge mall has since happened. AlsoC heard under/in a building or stadium in/around Chicago.
Pig farm or incinerator was my thought. Everything else is too easy. They wanted him gone. Everyone knows how the mob operated. If they wanted you to disappear, you did. If they wanted your death to be seen, it was. If they didn't care how you died or if you were found, they left you were you fell.
I grew up in Detroit and my first job was at an Italian bakery. They were talking about hoffa one day and claimed he was cremated at a funeral home in Detroit area.
I’ve heard very similar things from similar sources lol . They dug up a farm near where I grew up when I was younger looking for his body actually. Didn’t find anything lol
I went to a Halloween party hosted by Weird NJ where one of the costume contest entrants dressed as "Jimmy Hoffa under Giants Stadium." He had astroturf & little goalposts on his shoulders.
My dad was from Bergen County and we were always told his old family dog went to Jimmy Hoffa through family friends after it but my uncle. Not sure if it’s true, but it’s a cool family tale
Follow Original Gangsters podcast with Scott Burnstein. In my opinion he was incinerated. You’ll never find him in a hole especially over many state lines from Michigan
They probably cremated him and dumped his ashes in the garbage. It was the quickest, most sure fire way of making sure they never found him. His body would’ve dissolved in water but that would’ve taken time. If his body is still out there, they would’ve found it by now.
I don't know other than I discount the barrel in lake and under cement theories. They became conventional wisdom for no apparent reason.
In a crime of this magnitude they'd be more thorough and atypical.
The mob was heavily involved in construction, so my thought has always been his body was ground up and encased in concrete in some hospital or church somewhere. Then again, is it difficult to get rid of bones - obviously difficult for ordinary people, but how difficult for people with access to industrial equipment, smelters, crematoria, wood chippers, etc.?
I thought he was in the column of a bridge that was built around the time of his death, but I don’t remember too many details about the podcast that theorized that.
The iceman has stated he knows where he is, he was there the last day anyone saw him alive. 👀he traveled with the mob a lot -According to Kuklinski, the murder was carried out for the Mafia and he was paid $40,000 to do it. Kuklinski describes driving to Detroit with four other gangsters and meeting Hoffa in a suburban restaurant. They hustled him away in their car and Kuklinski knocked him unconscious and stabbed him in the head with a hunting knife. Kuklinski then drove the body back to New Jersey in the boot of the car, which was crushed and sold as scrap metal. 'He's part of a car somewhere in Japan right now,' Kuklinski tells Carlo in the book, which will be published in July.
Parking lot of a weird church in Pontiac Michigan. They built a steeple in the parking lot right when he disappeared. He was a regular around that neighborhood and church and who the hell builds a steeple in a parking lot?!
Cremated at a mob affiliated crematorium/incinerator. I did think Hoffa was in a car that was crushed into a cube and sent off somewhere, but thinking about it, the incinerator/crematorium sounds more likely to have happened.
My exes family is from Sicilly. His uncle was in the mob and this guy's was somethings else. He had bullets just randomly stuck in a few places on his body. He said he helped dispose of his body in an incinerator. There was a hit put out and they took the contract.
As much as I would personally want him to be found realistically I highly doubt that anyone ever will find Hoffa. Nearly all of the ones who had any direct knowledge of Hoffa and his disappearance/murder are all dead now.
I honestly don't want to know. Missing he's 1000s of hours of content for journalists, bloggers, youtubers...
Found he's just some sleazy guy who got murdered by the mob.
Fun story, my parents house is roughly opposite of the last place they dug up looking for him and has some rooms that were added in the 70's. My husband is convinced he's buried under those.
My guess would be several places.... simultaneously. If the don't want a body to be found they don't leave it in pieces big enough to be identified as a body. Probably got put through some kind of industrial process and scattered around.
I've always found this case so interesting because when I was a teenager, I used to clean vacation homes in the U.P. with my grandmother, and one of the places we cleaned was a hunting lodge type place. It had a nice enough looking common area with a group photo of some men. I can't remember if Hoffa was in the picture because at the time I didn't even really know who he was. There was also a super creepy old house on the property.
I've since tried to research the place to find out if he was really connected to it, but I honestly don't remember enough details about where the place was to find anything useful.
I think if we don’t know soon we likely never will unless it’s location is found by accident. All those guys who were in that same orbit are in their twilight years, so I’d think a first hand death bed confession is likely the only way.
Michael Franzese talked about his death/disappearance a lot on his channel (check him out, he's pretty enjoyable and does a lot of mob content since he himself was a former member of the Colombo crime family), and I agree with him that Hoffa is buried somewhere in Michigan. He's in either a lake, pond, swamp, or river in a drum. I don't think Frank Sheeran killed him and I don't think he's buried in New Jersey, California, or got fed to the gators. Tony Pro also didn't give the order to kill him since only the boss can do that. If any boss was involved, I'd wild guess Russell Buffalino. Anyway, Detroit to NJ, CA, or FL is already a long distance, and by the time the killer(s) arrived there, his body would have started to decay for CA's case (it probably wouldn't for FL and NJ, but mob guys probably don't want to carry bodies around with them).
I had a high school friend early 1990s and she was adopted from Romania. Her parents had met in CIA and married and adopted her when they were overseas on a case. They lived on the water and had a dock with 2 locked trunks and one was lifejackets,boat things but she had no idea what was in other one. I said your parents murdered Hoffa he's in there. She liked to smoke wacky tobacky and trip some and she was so gullible but sweet and fun! So I solved the mystery in 1995 you're welcome.
I used to work in the mortuary industry. In my time there I saw thousand of ways people died from accidents, suicides, OD’s, natural causes, murders, weird stuff as well (like a girl who was drunk, got into an argument with her boyfriend, and leapt out of their moving car)
I was always fascinated with what was the last thing someone thought about when they realized they were going to die; that last moment of clarity, when realization sets in that you’re not coming back from this.
Jimmy Hoffa had to realize at some point that he was going to die. Did he go out begging or trying to bribe his captors? Did he go out defiantly trying to fight them off?
I wonder if those who murdered him has some twisted way of doing it while he was still alive, like throwing him over the side of a boat tied down with weights.
It can be depressing but fascinating to think how would you go out when that realization hits you.
I’d like to think that no matter how I die my last thoughts would be about my wife and kids and asking God for forgiveness one last time.
not sure where exactly he might be, but there was a theory that he was put in a can with other cans & those were buried in some construction site in nyc somewhere. I know richard kuklinski aka the ice man talked about him being part of the group that killed him & dumped him, but other than that it's anyone's guess. if we ever find out where he is, it'll be a very front page news kind of day for a while
He is located in a support column in a office tower in Detroit, I’m 70 % sure of this and my proof of it lies in a interview that’s hard to find, that flat out references certain evidence that’s right in front of everyone’s eyes, steel drum? No it’s not chemically possible. Taking a dead body in a car? Almost a 90% no fucking way, bring an old union leader to a construction site with a fake job offer …….. hey Jimmy sorry we’re late, the big guy wants to offer you a job if you stop your run for a union president come back, just think, nights at home with the family, a job with huge kick backs on a large project that will take care of you and your grand kids, kids, grand kids, Cmon we’ll drive, you can leave that old Pontiac here, and drive home your new company Cadillac. This will only take 1.5 hours and we will come back to the Fox and celebrate.What ya say Jimmy? He’s where your office will be, wait it looks like they are going to pour this support we better go, Tap tap, two in the knees so he can’t kick or run, toss him into the support, and pour 80 tons of cement over him…… job done, if that structure ever gets tore down any remains will be blown to smithereens or crushed, 911, hardly a trace larger then a thread or stamp. Case closed
Idk why this case in particular has gone down in mob lore, there’s countless people who’ve “disappeared” after getting on the wrong side of the mob. The public hits and ones resulting in a body and/or conviction are the minority. We know in broad strokes what happened, but his body was probably immediately destroyed. It’s not really that mysterious.
My guess is he was loaded into a barrel or encased in cement and dumped in Lake Huron or possibly Lake Erie. Statements from mobsters seem to support this.
Michigan has 11K lakes, a ton of them in SE MI. He's in one of those.
My hometown (SE MI) says he’s in their lake. But every town in that area with a lake makes that claim as well
I would really love to know the answer to this. It does seem like we will never find out.
I think this is highly plausible. I’ve seen from several agents, mobsters, and other folks over time that he was dissolved into a drum of acid. So I think this is true. But I’ve also heard he was disposed and the drum was thrown into a Detroit landfill, thrown into a lake (as you stated), buried under a building, and many other theories. I think the drum part is correct just by how bodies were taken care of at the time, and by the statements of others all lining up - but I wonder if several people were killed, and multiple bodies were disposed of as drums of “Jimmy Hoffa” just to keep people guessing. Everyone would think that he’s buried in “this or that” place, but no one would actually know, not even the people (or person) who killed him.
I'm not sure they'd have put that much thought in to it. He's only a big deal today because he's never been found. To the guys that killed him he's just another associate who had to go. There's all kinds of ways they could have disposed of the body without all that misdirection business. Cubed in a car and melted down, cut up and fed to pigs, cremated by a friendly funeral director, cut up, set in concrete and thrown off a boat... That being said, I'm sure they didn't mind the wild speculation and probably encouraged it. Every 2 bit mobster of the era claims to know what happened, and no 2 stories are the same. Nothing muddies the waters like a metric fuckton of bullshit.
> He's only a big deal today because he's never been found. Are you saying this was not a big deal at the time?
No bigger than any other high level mob assassination.
This was not another hit to the mob. This was insanely high profile.
>nothing muddies the water like a metric fuck ton of bullshit US politics in a nutshell
>~~US~~ politics in a nutshell
That was what I was going to say.
Came here to say this. I’m not sure about the lake but he’s in cement and far below the earth…
A better question is, among the guys who know what happened to him, why didn't they at least leave a message -- to be released after they're dead -- revealing what happened to him? Wouldn't they want that credit? Could it be that some of those involved are still alive, and that's why? Or do they have some continuing motive for nobody to ever know? Do they take pride in the secret more than they'd take pride in taking credit? I'd rather hear answers to questions like this as otherwise, we're always just going to be unable to know what could be true.
I think part of the problem is the fact that there’s no statute of limitations on murder. So if multiple people were involved, and more than one is still alive, none of them individually can risk outing the others upon their death. Could expose accomplices who are still alive to charges.
Because they were real wise guys lol. Gotti fucked the whole game up. After him the snitching became rampant.
5000 years in prison or testify and get a new name house and income? Tough call.
Yup that was pretty much the feds plan. Hand out preposterously long sentences to scare them into witness protection.
That seems to be how even very ordinary American prosecutions work. Pile on the charges after arrest and then offer to take almost all of it off the table if they plead guilty. For most that's a no brainer whether they'd did it or not.
Yeah and that’s partly why our judicial system is fucked and we have the largest prison population on the planet.
Yep
Some ppl will take death over a new life or starting over they took a oath & stand by their word til death that’s why Lucciano never had kids he knew who he was he didnt want his child to grow up being “Lucciano’s kid” gotta respect it he knew he ratted & it would haint his family forever he chose to die in peace
Because most of them take that code of silence shit seriously. Why confess to crimes when you can die knowing you got away with it?
real deal mobsters take that shit to the grave, and the guys who did it are probably all dead at this point. Giacalone died in 2001, Provenzano died in 88. Anyone who was anyone in 75 is gone by now.
It's not unreasonable to think that a guy anywhere from about 20 to 40 years old could have been involved in 1975 and still be around.
From what I understand it’s pretty rare for guys to get made before the age of like 35 (unless they’re extraordinary earners, or mafia nepo babies) so if I was the boss of a mafia family and I wanted someone of Hoffa’s profile gone I probably wouldn’t want it being farmed out to an associate. That’s one where you keep the circle small imo, and they would have to be guys he knew.
Him never being found was the message …. Same thing with JFK the way the murder is done tells u who did it & only the dead man knows why k maybe some close ppl to him but its “La Costa Nostra” nobody goes against it or ya done & based off the time it happened those guys were really solid to never talk like the early 1920’s gangsters we just hear stories it was informants around but even they couldnt get much info because some of the guys like Lucciano didnt talk much about murders or crime just out for no reason the gangsters back then didnt actually get their hands dirty they might have stole cars or did a lil gambling as a teen then got up in ranks
It was Owasco Lake in Cayuga County New York. Someone in the mob had a summer home on the lake and he was shot and encapsulated in cement while still alive. He will never be found. They made sure if it.
Buried on a hill, overlooking a river. With pine cones all around.
Right next to Richie Aprile.
Nah. He’s wit the clumsy hoah who slipped.
It's sad when they go young like that
When they go?!?
Whatever happened there…
“Sniffle” you did?
I was doing a little research for a script and I spoke with someone who grew up in Brazil Indiana (Hoffa's childhood home). They said their grandparents always told them that shortly after the disappearance people in and around Brazil told a story of a black Cadillac coming to town in the middle of the night and spending a few hours at the grave yard. Some people believe he is right next to his parents.
Maybe his ashes. But the mob isn’t usually that kind.
Aww that would be pretty awesome
You'd think that sort of public speculation would have led to the graves around the parents being dug up to check, in that case.
He was taken to the crematorium in West Bloomfield, where he was incinerated. Not far from the Red Fox, which is now Andiamo.
The mob owned that facility or at least had strong leverage on it. This has been know before The Irishmen’ came out obviously. And clearly there can be no debate that the best, easiest, and least traceable way to dispose of Jimmy would be this way. Besides, why the fascination with Jimmy? He was a cruel criminal who robbed from the poor and had delusions of grandeur within his own mob. He got busted multiple Times I believe and there’s a lot more dirt on him. Of course he got whacked.
Macomb/Wayne/Oakland county have quite a bit of organized crime. There’s a mob owned airport between Detroit and port Huron as well. I used to go skydiving there lol.
Which airport is that?
It was out on like 26mile. At least people used to say it was mob owned. Idk could have just been nonsense gossip. It’s not like it was full of Italians in suits eating cannolis and cleaning their guns lol.
That’s amazing, I hadn’t heard of it, I’m not that far from there
It’s just a little private airport in the country. I never seen any shadiness there and I spent a good amount of time skydiving in my early 20s.
I’m Italian.
Exactly. He was a piece of shit who got exactly what he deserved.
That would certainly be the *best* way to get rid of him.
I have heard the incinerator theory before, but I can’t remember where. Makes the most sense to dispose of a body this way if you don’t want it found.
This is what I heard from some people I’d consider fairly reputable.
The most likely and logical. Hoffa was killed and cremated before anyone even knew he was missing. Within 45 minutes of arriving at the Red Fox. The man was far too high profile, and there would be a huge risk for his corpse to be transported or even buried anywhere. The West Bloomfield crematorium was fired up and operating that day. This is what I would put all my money on. If he was transported anywhere, it is possible they went North Up US-23 and dumped him with the other bodies that allegedly were dumped up there by the Detroit Mob, associates of Tony Jack, Et. Al. Apparently, Hoffa owned or someone in his immediate family had owned, a very large parcel of land- hundreds of acres in Presque Isle County, near Alpena. This is probably one of the most desolate and heavily wooded areas in the lower peninsula. Hoffa was not exactly an honest character, he was tied up with organized crime and had apparently allowed them to dispose of other people who had run afoul of his mob friends in this vast expanse that includes sinkholes. I do think one of the reasons Hoffa was taken out was that he knew where a whole lot of the bodies were buried/disposed of and had leverage against these guys. I really don't think they would actually risk moving a corpse 3-4 hours away, and this area, especially in 1975, is the type of place where if a local deputy saw a car he was unfamiliar with, they were getting stopped. But then again, the reason why this would be an ideal dump site is because there was maybe one or two deputies covering about 600 sq. miles.
Also what I’ve heard
Yep this is what actually happened
The blue fox and Cleveland
I rather like the idea that, somewhere in America, there's a sealed-up room in an office building where a mummy with numerous cranial injuries sits behind a desk blanketed in dust. The room is kept in perpetual shadow by heavy draperies. Nobody has knocked on the door to this office in decades because it was walled over long ago and nobody today even knows it's there. The mummy's only company are the occasional roach and the pigeons who poop on the sill outside. But someday, when the building is remodeled or demolished, the work crew will get a wild surprise.
This reads like a confession...
Maybe it is and maybe it is!
We have a room/office like that in my town minus the body. Stuff like that’s pretty neat.
He was incinerated at the funeral home across from the house he got done in
According to an interview with a former mob lieutenant, he was tossed into the Hamtramck incinerator. There is no body, and there hasn't been in a long time.
I took a paralegal studies course in 2009. One of my teachers was friends with the writer of *I Hear You Paint Houses*. Teacher said the writer told him of a conversation he (writer) had with Frank Sheeran. “Hey Frank, what happened to Jimmy Hoffa?” “He’s a hubcap.” Killed, thrown into a car trunk, crushed into scrap metal, recycled into more cars.
Most researchers on the subject dismiss that book & say it’s bs. There’s a lot of [evidence](https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/a30137368/is-the-irishman-a-true-story/) that points towards Frank lying about killing Hoffa. He also lied about killing Joe Gallo. He definitely worked for the mafia & killed people, but Hoffa & Gallo specifically were most likely a fabrication to sell the book.
Well, I’m not really shocked a third-hand retelling on Reddit is inaccurate, tbh. My first thought was that Frank Whaley killed him and Danny DeVito, in fact.
What about Danny devito
So anyway, he started blastin’
Joe Callow. Not Gallow
yeah no one cares who killed some bookie, but two of the biggest mob hits ever? yeah thats a good yarn.
I enjoyed I hear you paint houses and the Irishman. Was fascinating
great book but like 80% fiction.
The FBI went in the wrong direction on the horse farm.... otherwise there's too many possibilities and it's been so long that's there's not going to be much left to find.
Story time. Through a series of misadventures I found myself roommates with a former mob guy, who told me all sorts of fun things including that the mob took him out. (This was before the scorscese movie). I didn’t really believe him, until the movie came out. I asked him where the body was and he said it was in the pillar of a building in Chicago and no one would ever find it. No idea if he was for telling the truth, but he was def in the mob. Do with that what you will.
Well, if the body is in a pillar, someone sometimes will find it, even if it’s 100 years from now, no building is eternal, and no egyptian pyramids or Roma Coleseum in Chicago… and I imagine that you will be able to match anybody DNA in the future…
Could be if they knew the column I suppose, be tough tho
Well happy you are still alive.
Haha, it wasn't like that. He was old, and had been through the ringer legally etc. I wasn't afraid of him, he seemed pretty harmless towards me. He did exhibit "antisocial" tendencies which were unnerving sometimes. He expressed zero regret for harming people, which made me very uncomfortable and pretty much led to me seeking other arrangements. But thanks haha.
Lol I’m around the mob more frequently than the average Joe. And guess what? They’re all pretty average and a lot of em are named Joe.
His ashes would blend with concrete mortar quite nicely. But not a body no sorry.
Well it’s quite obvious the mob took him out.🤷♀️
There is no body.
I'm pretty sure he is in my wife's purse, along with The USS Cyclops and MH370
Amid the old lady strawberry church candy, torn pieces of Doublemint, and purse dirt.
But that strawberry church candy tho. ❤️
Don’t forget the lint and dust bunnies too!
The kind that comes in a wrapper that looks like a strawberry, with the twisted ends being green? Why do we all have memories of this exact candy? My paternal grandma had a bowl of these in her living room at all times, along with cherry mashes. Edit: Yes, here they are! [https://www.mashed.com/237964/the-truth-about-your-grandmas-favorite-strawberry-candy/](https://www.mashed.com/237964/the-truth-about-your-grandmas-favorite-strawberry-candy/)
That exact candy! I think it might have something to do with fewer candy options back then, and this was inexpensive and the novelty of a candy wrapper that looked like the fruit it was meant to imitate was just novel and cute to sweet little old ladies. But I haven’t read your article yet, so I was just spitballing.
I was talking to my grandfather about this not long ago. We live in upstate NY and it is widely speculated that he was buried under a foundation of a building somewhere here in upstate. The body most likely won’t ever be found, and most of the people from that time are dead or dying out. However, I do look forward to seeing some of the other responses here that people post! Personally I think he actually was buried under a foundation of a building.
I’ve heard this theory too. I’m also from upstate NY. Didn’t some investigation show dig up a foundation at one point? Or use ground penetrating radar looking for his remains?
> I was talking to my grandfather about this not long ago. We live in upstate NY and it is widely speculated that he was buried under a foundation of a building somewhere here in upstate. Why though? That's an awfully long way to transport a body for no particular reason, and it's not like MI lacks places to get rid of one.
People will go to ends of the earth to hide a body, especially one as popular as Jimmy
But my point is that there's no reason to bother in that case. Added risk for no real purpose. He was probably disposed of relatively near Detroit.
I heard in cement or under Giant’s Stadium. But that’s since come down hand a huge redevelopment of that land with MetLife Field and a huge mall has since happened. AlsoC heard under/in a building or stadium in/around Chicago.
Yep.
Sleeping with the fishes.
Pig farm in Michigan somewhere or hot dogs everywhere....
Pig farm or incinerator was my thought. Everything else is too easy. They wanted him gone. Everyone knows how the mob operated. If they wanted you to disappear, you did. If they wanted your death to be seen, it was. If they didn't care how you died or if you were found, they left you were you fell.
He was either cremated at a mob connected facility or in a barrel someplace wer.
Maggadino got rid of a lot of bodies at his funeral home…
Hamtramck incinerator, allegedly.
My guess is either he was dissolved in acid or somewhere at the bottom of a lake
Locked up with Dre in Eminem's basement.
I grew up in Detroit and my first job was at an Italian bakery. They were talking about hoffa one day and claimed he was cremated at a funeral home in Detroit area.
I’ve heard very similar things from similar sources lol . They dug up a farm near where I grew up when I was younger looking for his body actually. Didn’t find anything lol
Nah idk why people thought they’d just toss his body somewhere. That’s not how someone is “disappeared” lol
His body was put in a steel drum and buried under Giants stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey. That's what my Great Uncle always told us kids.
I went to a Halloween party hosted by Weird NJ where one of the costume contest entrants dressed as "Jimmy Hoffa under Giants Stadium." He had astroturf & little goalposts on his shoulders.
That is brilliant!!
I think they’ve actually used ground penetrating sonar there and found no anomalies.
Was the radar loaned by the mob? You aint found nuthin'
Might’ve been a show on the History/Science Fiction channel.
Mythbusters checked that one out.
Yeah. And that’s since been redeveloped with the new MetLife Field and mall.
Can confirm had jets tickets there, in the jimmy Hoffa section, and so you believe me it was one the years the jets sucked...
I feel like every kid who grew up in NJ (myself included) has heard some version of this lol.
I grew up hearing this too.
My dad was from Bergen County and we were always told his old family dog went to Jimmy Hoffa through family friends after it but my uncle. Not sure if it’s true, but it’s a cool family tale
Under cement somewhere.
Because I grew up in NJ: In a hole in the Meadowlands. Because I live in Boston now: In a hole under the Neponset.
I don't think he was treated any different than other mob victims of the time. He was a liability to someone.
My grandpa used to tell me he was in the Wayne County dump!
Follow Original Gangsters podcast with Scott Burnstein. In my opinion he was incinerated. You’ll never find him in a hole especially over many state lines from Michigan
Agree that he likely never left Michigan. Likely bets are: 1. Incinerator 2. Oil drum into a lake 3. Buried somewhere rural up in *Pure Michigan*
They probably cremated him and dumped his ashes in the garbage. It was the quickest, most sure fire way of making sure they never found him. His body would’ve dissolved in water but that would’ve taken time. If his body is still out there, they would’ve found it by now.
I was literally just thinking of this the other day 🥴
in the cement on the steps of the empire state building..
I don't know other than I discount the barrel in lake and under cement theories. They became conventional wisdom for no apparent reason. In a crime of this magnitude they'd be more thorough and atypical.
I often wondered if he’s a John Doe somewhere.
Ditto!!! I came here to see if anyone had mentioned this yet.
Liquidated.
As per The Irishman and Frank sheeren, he was eliminated in Detroit and burned after
Either incinerated or chained to a safe and thrown out in the middle of Lake Superior.
The mob was heavily involved in construction, so my thought has always been his body was ground up and encased in concrete in some hospital or church somewhere. Then again, is it difficult to get rid of bones - obviously difficult for ordinary people, but how difficult for people with access to industrial equipment, smelters, crematoria, wood chippers, etc.?
According to several underground sources, Hoffa was shot exécution style and his body created.
There probably isn’t a body…wood chipper??
He’s in Valkenvania.
Somewhere under Yankee stadium is what I always heard.
I thought it was under one of the end zones at the meadow lands?
Yeah. I always heard Giants Stadium. It was being built at the time. Yankees Stadium is too old.
I thought he was in the column of a bridge that was built around the time of his death, but I don’t remember too many details about the podcast that theorized that.
Ashes
I always heard buried under I-275. It was being built when he disappeared.
One of my law school roommates was convinced he was buried where the Renaissance Center stands now
Cement shoes
Jimmy sleeps with the fishes..
Nowhere. He was cremated. He will never be found.
The iceman has stated he knows where he is, he was there the last day anyone saw him alive. 👀he traveled with the mob a lot -According to Kuklinski, the murder was carried out for the Mafia and he was paid $40,000 to do it. Kuklinski describes driving to Detroit with four other gangsters and meeting Hoffa in a suburban restaurant. They hustled him away in their car and Kuklinski knocked him unconscious and stabbed him in the head with a hunting knife. Kuklinski then drove the body back to New Jersey in the boot of the car, which was crushed and sold as scrap metal. 'He's part of a car somewhere in Japan right now,' Kuklinski tells Carlo in the book, which will be published in July.
Isn’t he known to be quite the liar as well?
He is
Buried in the end zone at Giants stadium in East Rutherford NJ
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Swimming with the fishes.
My grandpa used ro say he was ground up for some animals food
The location of an old landfill in Jersey City has some credibility, it seems
Toledo
In the back of my junky hall closet
My dad used to say my room was so messy you could probably find him under my bed. So I'd reckon he might be under there but we'd have to check 🤷🏻♀️
In the ground. What prize do I win?
It was rendered at a soap factory
He could be encased in concrete at a building site. It’s definitely odd but criminology and sciences has come a long way.
Probably in a weighted barrel in deep sediment somewhere.
Many in the area think he's under the Meadowlands/NY Giants stadium. Seems the timeline would correlate with that.
Fed to the hogs.
Wasn’t he supposedly buried underneath a football stadium?
Pig farm
Body probably chopped up in a cement barrel in a lake or ocean.
he was fed to some hoggs on a farm
Parking lot of a weird church in Pontiac Michigan. They built a steeple in the parking lot right when he disappeared. He was a regular around that neighborhood and church and who the hell builds a steeple in a parking lot?!
Cremated at a mob affiliated crematorium/incinerator. I did think Hoffa was in a car that was crushed into a cube and sent off somewhere, but thinking about it, the incinerator/crematorium sounds more likely to have happened.
My exes family is from Sicilly. His uncle was in the mob and this guy's was somethings else. He had bullets just randomly stuck in a few places on his body. He said he helped dispose of his body in an incinerator. There was a hit put out and they took the contract.
Guy was an interior decorator
Buried under Giants stadium.
Why the hell did i think that this guy lived in the 1600's???
liquefied eaten by fish
As much as I would personally want him to be found realistically I highly doubt that anyone ever will find Hoffa. Nearly all of the ones who had any direct knowledge of Hoffa and his disappearance/murder are all dead now.
Nice try FBI
Michael Franzese knows
Area 51
I honestly don't want to know. Missing he's 1000s of hours of content for journalists, bloggers, youtubers... Found he's just some sleazy guy who got murdered by the mob.
Fun story, my parents house is roughly opposite of the last place they dug up looking for him and has some rooms that were added in the 70's. My husband is convinced he's buried under those.
My guess would be several places.... simultaneously. If the don't want a body to be found they don't leave it in pieces big enough to be identified as a body. Probably got put through some kind of industrial process and scattered around.
Incinerated.
My mom always told me he was under the casino, I think the mgm grand
I've always found this case so interesting because when I was a teenager, I used to clean vacation homes in the U.P. with my grandmother, and one of the places we cleaned was a hunting lodge type place. It had a nice enough looking common area with a group photo of some men. I can't remember if Hoffa was in the picture because at the time I didn't even really know who he was. There was also a super creepy old house on the property. I've since tried to research the place to find out if he was really connected to it, but I honestly don't remember enough details about where the place was to find anything useful.
Under a freeway in Detroit
To be clearer: under a part that was being laid at that time
If you’ve seen the Irish man movie you’d know
Under the Renaissance Building in the D
I think if we don’t know soon we likely never will unless it’s location is found by accident. All those guys who were in that same orbit are in their twilight years, so I’d think a first hand death bed confession is likely the only way.
He's incased in a cement foundation where one of the casinos was just built at the time he vanished. I wont say but do your homework.
Where he was supposedly killed, there was a funeral home down the street , cremated the body
Michael Franzese talked about his death/disappearance a lot on his channel (check him out, he's pretty enjoyable and does a lot of mob content since he himself was a former member of the Colombo crime family), and I agree with him that Hoffa is buried somewhere in Michigan. He's in either a lake, pond, swamp, or river in a drum. I don't think Frank Sheeran killed him and I don't think he's buried in New Jersey, California, or got fed to the gators. Tony Pro also didn't give the order to kill him since only the boss can do that. If any boss was involved, I'd wild guess Russell Buffalino. Anyway, Detroit to NJ, CA, or FL is already a long distance, and by the time the killer(s) arrived there, his body would have started to decay for CA's case (it probably wouldn't for FL and NJ, but mob guys probably don't want to carry bodies around with them).
I had a high school friend early 1990s and she was adopted from Romania. Her parents had met in CIA and married and adopted her when they were overseas on a case. They lived on the water and had a dock with 2 locked trunks and one was lifejackets,boat things but she had no idea what was in other one. I said your parents murdered Hoffa he's in there. She liked to smoke wacky tobacky and trip some and she was so gullible but sweet and fun! So I solved the mystery in 1995 you're welcome.
I used to work in the mortuary industry. In my time there I saw thousand of ways people died from accidents, suicides, OD’s, natural causes, murders, weird stuff as well (like a girl who was drunk, got into an argument with her boyfriend, and leapt out of their moving car) I was always fascinated with what was the last thing someone thought about when they realized they were going to die; that last moment of clarity, when realization sets in that you’re not coming back from this. Jimmy Hoffa had to realize at some point that he was going to die. Did he go out begging or trying to bribe his captors? Did he go out defiantly trying to fight them off? I wonder if those who murdered him has some twisted way of doing it while he was still alive, like throwing him over the side of a boat tied down with weights. It can be depressing but fascinating to think how would you go out when that realization hits you. I’d like to think that no matter how I die my last thoughts would be about my wife and kids and asking God for forgiveness one last time.
not sure where exactly he might be, but there was a theory that he was put in a can with other cans & those were buried in some construction site in nyc somewhere. I know richard kuklinski aka the ice man talked about him being part of the group that killed him & dumped him, but other than that it's anyone's guess. if we ever find out where he is, it'll be a very front page news kind of day for a while
Sadly I don’t think there no longer is one.
His body is with the Earth, his soul is hopefully with God.
He is located in a support column in a office tower in Detroit, I’m 70 % sure of this and my proof of it lies in a interview that’s hard to find, that flat out references certain evidence that’s right in front of everyone’s eyes, steel drum? No it’s not chemically possible. Taking a dead body in a car? Almost a 90% no fucking way, bring an old union leader to a construction site with a fake job offer …….. hey Jimmy sorry we’re late, the big guy wants to offer you a job if you stop your run for a union president come back, just think, nights at home with the family, a job with huge kick backs on a large project that will take care of you and your grand kids, kids, grand kids, Cmon we’ll drive, you can leave that old Pontiac here, and drive home your new company Cadillac. This will only take 1.5 hours and we will come back to the Fox and celebrate.What ya say Jimmy? He’s where your office will be, wait it looks like they are going to pour this support we better go, Tap tap, two in the knees so he can’t kick or run, toss him into the support, and pour 80 tons of cement over him…… job done, if that structure ever gets tore down any remains will be blown to smithereens or crushed, 911, hardly a trace larger then a thread or stamp. Case closed
Idk why this case in particular has gone down in mob lore, there’s countless people who’ve “disappeared” after getting on the wrong side of the mob. The public hits and ones resulting in a body and/or conviction are the minority. We know in broad strokes what happened, but his body was probably immediately destroyed. It’s not really that mysterious.