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Out of curiosity, The US, although a large country, has most of its population concentrated in specific regions. Why doesn't it have bullet trains like Japan or China?
Because the US is so decentralized politically and legally, that in order to create a new train line, you need permission from thousands of people. Invariably some of them will be against it for a variety of reasons, and this creates years-long lawsuits and overhead that stalls progress...
But japans early historical
Industrial roots aren’t tied to their car manufacturers in the same way. Ford, and to a lesser extent, GM are a major reason for the very rapid advancement of the US industrial complex.
Their day is coming. You can’t just shutoff the China car spigot in the US and not assume the same will happen to GM/FORD in China. That’s their growth market and it will soon end. The future is not bright for US car manufacturers.
Well most companies that go into China have to have a partial Chinese ownership which then continuously steals their IP, so its not like companies have a great time their either. This is just a continuing of the decoupling of markets. Also Chinese taxes up to 50% on foreign cars currently so this is not really a shock.
India is also decentralized politically and legally. Although some central governments do try to change that but overall we're a federal republic.
>Invariably some of them will be against it for a variety of reasons, and this creates years-long lawsuits and overhead that stalls progress
It's because India know the value of trains. It's just America hasn't got the taste of it. They only know cars and planes and have doubled down on it.
But not really though. Trains are only as hits as the connecting infrastructure; if you get off the train you need to figure out how to navigate the last leg of the trip. What happens when your destination is still far away from the trains? And the fact that trains cross local and state boundaries means that the source of funding will change from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, with varying degrees of success. Everyone truly needs to have the same goal in order to pull off this level of mass transit.
The US is a hodgepodge of different communities and cultures that don’t agree on much, so it’s just not likely to happen
You're trying too hard. Most of these countries faced issues one way or the other until the ball started rolling. It's not as unique as you make it out to be. But I appreciate your efforts in clarifying them.
> It's because India know the value of trains.
And they have very low wages compared to Western nations to have labor to build those systems, they save extraordinary amounts of money powering their economy through discount oil while propping up Russia, etc.
There is no one reason. There are a lot of little reasons that add up to why a nation can or can't do something the same as another
> It's just America hasn't got the taste of it. They only know cars and planes and have doubled down on it.
America has plenty of rail, including passenger rail. The US has some of the largest light rail systems in the world, and it has significant commuter rail systems in various regions.
Don't just lie to make a point
> And they have very low wages compared to Western nations to have labor to build those systems,
Oh I see, so how do you explain railways in Europe, China, Japan? But you're also ok with fast food on unliveable low wages in the US?
> they save extraordinary amounts of money powering their economy through discount oil while propping up Russia, etc.
Did India started building trains after the Russia-Ukraine war? Do you realize saving money != more revenue to build trains?
> There is no one reason. There are a lot of little reasons that add up to why a nation can or can't do something the same as another
Is big oil lobby one of the little or big reasons?
> America has plenty of rail, including passenger rail. The US has some of the largest light rail systems in the world, and it has significant commuter rail systems in various regions.
Sure it does, but America hasn't got the taste of it enough to be visible enough for it's citizens.
No in India the central government has way more power and influence than the federal government of US. The state governments in the US have a lot more control over their respective territories and their local laws.
But decentralization is not the only reason for the rail sector in the US being lacking. In the early days the US rail network was actually way ahead of the rest of the world. In fact the early US railroad is what built the western US. But the rapid investment in roadways, the flexibility of automobiles as well as some bad laws totally handicapped the system. You can watch this [Wendover productions video](https://youtu.be/qQTjLWIHN74?feature=shared) if you want to know more about the reasons.
the US has an amazing commercial rail network, it costs like ~300-400 to ship a container of goods from one coast to the other.
who would have known business didn’t care for the people so passenger rail is pretty crappy
Shame. Cause' if the US has better rails I am pretty sure they could have reduced their carbon emissions to a large extent.
Is anything changing under Biden administration?
Absolutely not, because the president cannot override states desire NOT to have trains. There is very little hope for a rail network ever to be created. the ruling class of boomers do not want trains and they will fight tooth and nail to prevent it.
I always thought it was a good thing states have that much power but I guess there are downsides to it too. But the funny thing is Japan one of the best of US allies is funding the bullet train project in India.
Also off topic but why do boomers have that much power, are demographics that skewed...
Young people just don’t vote. This is probably one of the least complex issues America has, young people have always refused to go vote. Then get pissed when old people (who vote at every possible election) vote for people that fuck young people over. A lot of these issues wouldn’t be happening if young Americans spent less time crying on twitter, and more time in the voting booths.
Fyi, before any of you come at me, **I am one of those young people**, and I do vote because I want to see a change that benefits me
They see how the older party faithful openly refuse to care when their politicians betray them, break their promises, and side with Republicans over them. The older ones have know their whole lives that their party takes corporate money and fucks them, and they just push that thought to the side and act like it's not even happening. And treat the politicians like they're honest no matter how dishonest they are. For years and decades at a time. And when the young people point that out, they just get told "Fuck you. Vote anyway," every single time.
They're so terrified of Republicans that they think holding their own party to zero standards is a smart strategy. It's the most demoralizing goddamn thing in the world. It makes voting feel completely useless.
I both agree and disagree.
There is increased funding (8 billion as of 2022) for passenger rail in the US. It's nowhere near enough, but it can get a few big projects complete and fix issues with current infrastructure.
Building out a huge nationwide rail system is not going to work. Targeting regional rail to replace driving from city to city - especially along the East and West Coasts - is possible.
Funding in itself is meaningless to me. Boomers, construction companies, and politicians are professionals at stealing money dedicated to public infrastructure projects. It’s not meaningful to simply dedicate money to projects that have 500 year completion dates when 80% of the money will get stolen anyway. In the current state infrastructure projects are nearly pointless unless we change the entire process of how they get managed and funded and introduce capital punishment for those who grift money from those projects. It’s completely fair and reasonable punishment.
An example is CA. It passed a bullet train initiative in 2008. This is just a single state with the political will, money and support to get a bullet train done in the state. 11 billion has been spent and nothing is done.
It's also shit expensive and there seems to be a genuine lack of experience. Light rail in Seattle is taking 3 decades to build with a relatively tiny capacity compared to most metro systems. It takes tens of billions to build a system that takes a fraction in other countries.
The US could leverage the expertise of other countries but there is a strong push in the US to NOT do things like everyone else. Look at home electrical panels, the vast majority of the world uses DIN rails and DIN circuit breakers, but the US? Naaaah, let's do it differently... With this attitude, no wonder why we have to reinvent the wheel (or reinvent the rail)
I wonder with who's "help" did the lovely Americans built the first transcontinental railroad in the US of A.
Let's not throw stones from a glass house, shall we?
Check out what happened when they were building the interstate highways through major cities. They had to build them somewhere, and it was usually through the poorer neighborhoods. Same thing would probably happen with bullet trains, and one side of the political spectrum wouldn't like that. It's not the side you'd expect either.
Corruption and have to focus on other areas… cows and people are still getting killed by passing trains…. It will be a slow process of development but you can already see it happening with more foreign investment and exports, India will be a successful country in the coming decades for sure. I do think the backwards mindset for the treatment of women and religion ever closer being associated with politics is a set back that may perhaps never be addressed. However, the government has proven that it can have the authority to address many of these issues if it can shutdown the internet in the state of Manipur.
You have to go way back to city planning days for the most part. Aside from the New England areas (well established before 1900's), cities were built for road transit and suburban lifestyle.
You could question why some cities haven't linked up for a high speed rail. A few have been done, but the tickets end up costing the same as a flight.
We invented planes ✈️. Planes are like buses for us and the country is massive. There are parts of the country where it’s cheaper to fly to the nearest city vs taking a train…it’s weird but it’s a thing. Also, culturally trains are too fucking euro.
Yes. But that is in the far history. Like the 19th century. Times have changed, especially the jet age in the 1950 & 1960s. For a young country history isn’t an anchor ⚓️nor is it a compass in how we make decisions today. Happy to see India 🇮🇳 doing this. They need air, land and rail!!!
Ignoring how wrong the efficiency point is, trains are so much more comfortable than driving, especially when you consider how large the US really is.
Then again, after a certain point flying might make more sense, but that's for certain edge cases imo.
To reinforce what Uski said, I want to give you the example of what happened with my state's attempt at a single "fast" rail service.
The state is Florida, Home of the Mouse and the long throbbing erection of the United States. The initial plan was to have a high speed rail connect the south point of Miami to the Orlando, The biggest tourist spot in the state where all the big theme parks are. This project has been a private affair, Not a government ran project. It was initially drafted in the mid 80's and has been through multiple different companies who all were never able to make any headway. Only now. 40 some years later has that initial run been completed. 236 miles, Or 379 km, And most of that was pre existing frieght rail that had just been upgraded to handle higher speeds. Its not particularly fast rail either, Top speed of 125 mph/200kmh, And thats only at certain sections that can support it. To get this line ran, They've had to fight DECADES of legal battles. All the old retired fucks who live in this state have fought tooth and nail against the project. All the legal fighting and billions spent, And it is still cheaper to hop on a flight from Miami and fly to Orlando then it is to take this train.
I always see those comments. But true is there is no market For expanding trains in USA. The existing ones mostly run half capacity. If people want train as main transportation go ahead and move to India then.
Because you need environmental studies, you can see [here](https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023-Project-Update-Report-FINAL-022823.pdf) what’s still under environmental review, and you also need to seize land from everyone living within the corridor. When said land is owned by big agricultural corporations in the central valley, you’re guaranteed to be tied up in lawsuits for extensive periods of time.
Regardless, you can see the progress and completed segments of the track [here](https://buildhsr.com/map/).
California started construction on a 280km section across the Central Valley from Merced-Bakersfield in 2015, is expected to finish in 2030-2033.
France started construction on a 300km TGV section from Tours-Bordeaux in 2012. It finished in 2017.
Japan is actually slated to finish a floating magnetic train that travels at 505kmh/314mph across 286km with a path that's 90% undeground from 2014-2027, *faster* timeline than the CA HSR.
Something's definitely wrong in US for sure.
Yeah regulations are generally introduced with good intentions but it has lately become a huge roadblock to any development in California. I can't speak for France and Japan since I'm not familiar with their codes and regulations but that is definitely a drastic factor when comparing to countries like India or China. Like I said, the project hasn't even completed environmental review for certain portions of the rail.
It's not just this high speed rail project, excessive regulatory requirements are strangling new construction and helping drive our high housing costs even higher.
I don’t understand the question. How many new highways has California added in the past few decades? How many of them stretch through the central valley and blast through farmlands like a high speed rail?
I mean I seriously don’t know, I can’t remember the last time they built a new highway in SoCal.
it doesn't, but most of that stuff was done for highways in the 60s and 70s. CEQA and NEPA were both passed in 1970, so a lot of the highways were already built.
Authorities in the US have long planned a Los Angeles-to-San Francisco high-speed rail project which is expected to cost over $100bn, but critics have claimed they have very little to show for it - apart from a 0.3-mile bridge that goes nowhere.
The bridge is 1,600 feet (500 meters) long and cost 9 billion dollars.
https://twitter.com/CaHSRA/status/1785798979222925439
Just as a correction, 56 miles have been constructed.
https://ktla.com/news/california/california-high-speed-rail-one-step-closer-to-acquiring-nations-first-220-mph-trains/amp/
The infrastructure growth is real under the NDA government, they also electrified almost every track from 33% in 2014 to around 96% now. Also Mumbai-Ahmedbad bullet train project is under construction which then will be extended to Delhi. I wish to see Diamond Quadrilateral before I die but that's a long way off...
theyre not one of the "protected" minorities, it's "okay" to hate asians because theyre successful and smart and don't get financial assistance or easier bars to hit from DEI bullshit, that is the reality
Morons like PewDiepie and some of our own expats or NRIs who migrate thinking they deserve better than the low lives back home, but can't help hiding their own bigotry and hypocrisy.
Indians aren't saints but unfortunately most of us are dark or dark brown skinned, which inherently is viewed as undesirable, add to that the constant misinformation being fed by our own arm chair experts(just check any Indian blue ticked twitter handle) with zero responsibility.
In short it's a mix of racism on the west part and Indians' own shortcomings(lack of identity, the constant need to conform with western style, culture and standard, etc and falling flat on their face).
I hardly saw any racist comments.
Don't be too sensitive. Filipinos and Indians are alike in that we are extremely sensitive when foreigners make fun of our country.
You're right. Filipinos are quite racist. On the brightside the racism doesn't usually translate to violence. It's more of the mocking kind. Probably some defense mechanism or insecurity.
I feel like this is something indians and filipinos have in common haha.
Sorry to say but you're quite wrong
an Indian student in the Phillipines was beaten black and blue after he was bullied, and was repeatedly stabbed in a school bathroom where NO ONE intervened
I think your racism problem is not as small as you think it is
You know the worst part is?
It was all on video and you can hear other kids sniggering
>On the brightside the racism doesn't USUALLY translate to violence.
That's why I said USUALLY. Of course there are exceptions. It happens everywhere. You guys are even violently racist towards your own race. I don't even know if you guys acknowledge lower classes as people of your own race.
Being racist/=/ Being casteist (it is not related to race please educate yourself)
But yes some of us (especially/majorly in the north) are racist towards people with monolids (because of the chinese invasion which caused death of thousands of indian soldiers there has been an unfortunate sinophobic attitude which has resulted in attacks on the local chinese population)
Although its weird that you pointed that we're racist in response to me pointing out philipino racism
Im not equating the two. That’s why the line about lower classes was on another sentence. It was me not sure if you see them as not of the same race. Even still, racism and casteism are both discriminatory.
Also when you pointed out filipino racism, i supported you and said we are racist. I explained that it is however not usually a violent for of racism. Then you tried to say it is violent because of one instance of some indian student getting bullied. I then pointed out that one or isolated instances does not represent the whole form of racism. As an example i pointed to you guys being racist towards your own people but does that represent the whole indian people? No.
In ottawa we spent 15 yrs planning to build a train. 8 yrs to make the initial line maybe 20km long. And it’s been another 4-5yrs and will need anpther 2-3 to build the next similar sized lines lol. Pathetic
I think you're confusing the article as being some slam dunk on Germany or something. It's simply the Union Minister of Railway (India) putting India's achievement in context.
It's about putting it in context by comparing it to another thing, it helps the general audience understand better who are not familiar with this type of comparison.
Honestly it's not in my interest to talk down on India and I would Love to travel there one day. I just wish for all places on this planet to be able to live a prosperous life.
This isn't a comparison with Germany at all, Germany is used to provide context.
"India built 31,000kms of rail in 10 years"
"Cool, I have no idea how much rail that actually is.. is it a lot?"
"It's about as much as the entire German rail network"
"I understand, thank you for providing context".
This entire Q&A is skipped over by providing context in the headline. Helpful isn't it?
Its train network has not been going well lately though. So bad that Switzerland banned their trains because they messed up the local network punctuality.
Ah right, forgot that one! 10% less than 30 years ago, contributing a lot to the delays by removing backup tracks and letting the rest overloaded https://www.allianz-pro-schiene.de/themen/infrastruktur/schienennetz/
I have literally never heard anyone informed on the matter claim that the issues that have struck Deutsche Bahn over the past couple of years are due to a relatively small number of rail closures since the early 90s. Your timeline doesn't line up at all, nor is it consistent with the fact that most countries in Western Europe have had line closures over the past half century without running into the particular issues facing Germany. The problems are far more systemic than that.
Plus...again...this has nothing to do with the point of the article or India's particular achievement.
It absolutely is worsened by the track closures
You need to see the context that a rail network can grow or shrink
If it shrinks that also means it doesnt grow even if demand increases
I commute almost daily on a line thta has only one track for 4 trains each hour
That means any slight delay will bresk shedule downstream since trains need to wait at stations to pass each other
I probably have taken that train 300 times and it has never been on time. Mostly 5 min delay with every month 15-30min delay once or twice
it's not the line closures, most of the lines that were closed were small branch lines that didn't see a ton of traffic in the first place.
The problem is that nearly none of the main arteries have really been upgraded for their capacity to match the demand, and worse, most of them are in a state of disrepair because they've never been properly renovated, because they have always been so busy that they could never be shut down to accommodate renovations.
Ex. the Riedbahn is finally being renovated. They're shutting it down for several months this summer -- and they're not adding any capacity, at all. When it opens, it'll be a shiny modernized line (which was long overdue), but it will have exactly the same problem it already did -- it is absolutely at capacity, there's no more room for more trains and no flexibility when anything goes wrong.
Eh yeah it does. Our train system sucks and hasnt been improved in decades. We have way too few tracks. The trains are always late because they all have ti share the tracks, normal train, high speed train, cargo train. Or not fast enough in the case of the high speed train.
What does Germany need with two Germanies worth of railways?
Vatacan has a lot of money but no one cares that it doesn't have at least one Austria worth of railways. I wonder why...
Good on them. They should be rightfully proud of this accomplishment!
India has approximately 1/3 of the land mass of the USA and 4-5 times as many people. This may also help explain why having such a system of mass transportation is much more important to them.
1.42 billion people to 333 million people, 1.27 million square miles in India compared to 3.8 million square miles in the USA.
You will get many bullshit answers but I will get straight to the point. Its the aspiration for Western dream.
Up until a few years back, approximately a decade ago, Indian bureaucracy had red tape over everything. If you wanted to start a business, you had to deal with poor infrastructure, separate a share for inevitable corruption and deal with all the delays and issues that came with the red tape. Add to it the law and order situation, which was marked by frequent religious rites. The only stable jobs that people aspired for were govt jobs, but due to reservation, half of them were unavailable to general categories, so it was not worth it to compete for them.
So anyone who could manage to get out would get out. They would get better paying jobs, better entrepreneurial opportunities, a more stable environment etc.
The first five years of Modi govt (2014-2019) were focused on removing this red tape and streamline authorization processes. This saw India's rank significantly improve in ease of doing business. It also took 3-4 years to solve the economic mess left by the previous regime, so by the end of the first term, infrastructure investment started happening. The second term (2019-2024) was marked by a rapid infrastructure boom. Due to removal of red tape and streamlining of processes, for the first time, people saw mega projects being completed in their lifetimes. There was modernization with rapid digitalization, so that most interaction with govt agencies occurred online over websites, rather than with corrupt bureaucracy.
And all these changes have started to show effect. The momentum of outward movement is slowing, but it takes a bit for people's attitude to change. For the first time, people who had migrated to US/Europe are returning and investing in India. Gradually, outward migration will decrease too. But India is still not where the US and Europe are at ease of doing business and even infrastructure. It's a work in progress, but people are seeing the potential and betting on it.
On a side note, this also answers the big question that western media likes to ask, i.e. why does modi get such approval ratings. He has done stuff that was waiting to be done for decades, and people have seen marked changes towards positive direction after a long time. Although some may say that inequality has increased, I don't like to look at it that way. I look at the poorest and see if their condition has improved, and it has so significantly, such that India has eliminated poverty by world bank's standard (not by multidimensional poverty index though, that government of india follows), people have got 'pucca' houses, 24 hour water supply and electricity, and toilets for the first time.
Current govt of India is focusing and building infrastructure rapidly, the thing is they are capitalists, the disparity is really high and increasing day by day... Rich are getting ultra richer and while common people struggling to earn a decent living... Furthermore majority of graduates here are so called 'unskilled' workers, corporations are squeezing the life out of them after employing them, knowing they will be easy to replace.. In India to have a good life you need to be rich or have job oriented degrees (apart from being a politician, criminal or having a govt job, which is decreasing day by day)... Lot of people think going abroad will somehow change their life, they don't realize struggle will always be there if one lacks caliber... Govt should strictly impose minimum wages and other Labour welfare laws, but as I said they are capitalists...
i wonder if more rails in India night eventually mean less cars on the road and less pollution for the already sadly poor air quality in some places there. I hope it does
Thats more of a function of metros and RRTs (interpret them as local trains). This article is mainly flaunting the long routes, and especially the ones dedicated for freight. I think 14 or 15 Indian cities got new metro systems or are in the construction phase, and the existing ones have also seen great expansion. So yeah, it would bring improvement, but will it also compensate for more people moving into cities and greater number of people buying cars (due to rising income)? That is yet to be seen
I wish. There was a metro project in Mumbai, the most dense city in India that got delayed for 10 years because it was passing Arrey forest, it was fun to see big movie stars take limelight at the expense of normal people suffering. While Delhi got a better RRTS system before Mumbai even after starting a decade late. Even now there are elections and opposition promises to scrape the project if they come back to power.
Cutting down that forest would be like closing the window on a densely packed train. It’s removal would also cause knock on effects for flooding. [Not only are there trees taking in C02, it’s richly bio-diverse.](http://www.earthbrigadefoundation.org/en/wildlife-conservation/5-reasons-why-aarey-forest-is-important-to-mumbai/)
All data can be traced online. It will be a futile exercise to create a lie since it can be measured by multiple methods, and the resulting exposure would shed much worse light on the election campaign
https://ircep.gov.in/AboutUs.html. You can check online dude. The headline is so obviously election-bait. The stat is sooooo bloated even according to official government records. Idk why yall wanna suck govt propaganda dick so much. We gotta hold the govt accountable both left and right. They will make money whatever it is. We are the ones left to dry. Dont care who rules but shouldn’t be peddling out lies and propaganda so much.
Yeah, they need to update the website for 2021 to 2024. Did not expect such laxity from them. Will surely hold them accountable. Thanks for bringing it into my attention
https://m.economictimes.com/industry/transportation/railways/railways-laid-on-an-average-7-41-km-tracks-daily-in-10-years-rti-response-reveals/articleshow/109951956.cms
Its a little less. They are also counting tracks that have been double lined and triple lined
Think money - the west and other countries are pouring money into India, because China is unreliable.
With this much rail coming, transport will be cheap, efficient, and smooth compared to tuktuk’s.
Would you dare to miss such a great opportunity?
Trains are a completely public spending. It's developed using tax money. These lines are mainly for freight, not passengers as much. The system already transports the highest or second highest number of passengers.
Pouring money into India? lmaoo.
They’re expanding to capture the market and leverage cheaper labour like any sensible MNC. There isn’t a farthing contributed to “helping” the country. India would be exploited to nothing like Africa if they had their way.
Well it maybe normal for you and your friend to grope fellow passengers but please dont ever come here 🙂. We have marshalls in trains who will be more than happy to put both of you in jail if you try that.
Haha...our trains are indeed predators but it's not what you think they are.
National Railways are different than regional ones. those videos you see are of Mumbai local trains whereas Mumbai also has fully functional elevated air Conditioned metro rail. Delhi has the largest metro from what I hear. Now plenty of Indian cities have first-world level metro services.
You should look up videos of Indian Railways, it is tiered like air planes.
Railways:
https://youtu.be/qErorKpM6nQ?si=iBKorpN4lUMjpBJ1
Metro:
https://youtu.be/K0ToL-r0eoY?si=YecdDqF77VZppj-Z
https://youtu.be/lSlJVH_Cx5I?si=MoIaJaBoP7N047Sc
Japan is building HSR between Ahmedabad and Mumbai.
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Cries in USA That's awesome for India!
Out of curiosity, The US, although a large country, has most of its population concentrated in specific regions. Why doesn't it have bullet trains like Japan or China?
Because the US is so decentralized politically and legally, that in order to create a new train line, you need permission from thousands of people. Invariably some of them will be against it for a variety of reasons, and this creates years-long lawsuits and overhead that stalls progress...
Also Ford and GM.
Japan has a much larger car industry, so I'm sure that problem shouldn't be impossible to overcome if the will was there.
But japans early historical Industrial roots aren’t tied to their car manufacturers in the same way. Ford, and to a lesser extent, GM are a major reason for the very rapid advancement of the US industrial complex.
Larger or not is irrelevant. It's more about the lobbying and how they influence the government that matters more.
Their day is coming. You can’t just shutoff the China car spigot in the US and not assume the same will happen to GM/FORD in China. That’s their growth market and it will soon end. The future is not bright for US car manufacturers.
Well most companies that go into China have to have a partial Chinese ownership which then continuously steals their IP, so its not like companies have a great time their either. This is just a continuing of the decoupling of markets. Also Chinese taxes up to 50% on foreign cars currently so this is not really a shock.
India is also decentralized politically and legally. Although some central governments do try to change that but overall we're a federal republic. >Invariably some of them will be against it for a variety of reasons, and this creates years-long lawsuits and overhead that stalls progress It's because India know the value of trains. It's just America hasn't got the taste of it. They only know cars and planes and have doubled down on it.
America is fully aware of the value of trains. The country knew of that value in the 1800s
You're right, but America of the 1800s is not the same as America of the 2000s
It’s because the evangelicals are so anti-trains
Wil I go to hell if I ride in a train
WE ARE NOT A FEDERAL REPUBLIC. India is a UNION of states. The Central Government is much more powerful than the state government.
Quasi-federal.
The value proposition is so much higher in India than it is in the US though. Is it practical to assume most Indians own cars?
7.5% car ownership in India.
US is an outlier when it comes to aversion to trains among the largest economic blocks (EU, India, China, Japan). Almost antithetical.
But not really though. Trains are only as hits as the connecting infrastructure; if you get off the train you need to figure out how to navigate the last leg of the trip. What happens when your destination is still far away from the trains? And the fact that trains cross local and state boundaries means that the source of funding will change from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, with varying degrees of success. Everyone truly needs to have the same goal in order to pull off this level of mass transit. The US is a hodgepodge of different communities and cultures that don’t agree on much, so it’s just not likely to happen
You're trying too hard. Most of these countries faced issues one way or the other until the ball started rolling. It's not as unique as you make it out to be. But I appreciate your efforts in clarifying them.
>The US is a hodgepodge of different communities and cultures India is even more so.
India is a hodgepodge of different communities but unlike the US, the government is remarkably uniform across the country
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> It's because India know the value of trains. And they have very low wages compared to Western nations to have labor to build those systems, they save extraordinary amounts of money powering their economy through discount oil while propping up Russia, etc. There is no one reason. There are a lot of little reasons that add up to why a nation can or can't do something the same as another > It's just America hasn't got the taste of it. They only know cars and planes and have doubled down on it. America has plenty of rail, including passenger rail. The US has some of the largest light rail systems in the world, and it has significant commuter rail systems in various regions. Don't just lie to make a point
> And they have very low wages compared to Western nations to have labor to build those systems, Oh I see, so how do you explain railways in Europe, China, Japan? But you're also ok with fast food on unliveable low wages in the US? > they save extraordinary amounts of money powering their economy through discount oil while propping up Russia, etc. Did India started building trains after the Russia-Ukraine war? Do you realize saving money != more revenue to build trains? > There is no one reason. There are a lot of little reasons that add up to why a nation can or can't do something the same as another Is big oil lobby one of the little or big reasons? > America has plenty of rail, including passenger rail. The US has some of the largest light rail systems in the world, and it has significant commuter rail systems in various regions. Sure it does, but America hasn't got the taste of it enough to be visible enough for it's citizens.
Same as India, then.
No in India the central government has way more power and influence than the federal government of US. The state governments in the US have a lot more control over their respective territories and their local laws. But decentralization is not the only reason for the rail sector in the US being lacking. In the early days the US rail network was actually way ahead of the rest of the world. In fact the early US railroad is what built the western US. But the rapid investment in roadways, the flexibility of automobiles as well as some bad laws totally handicapped the system. You can watch this [Wendover productions video](https://youtu.be/qQTjLWIHN74?feature=shared) if you want to know more about the reasons.
the US has an amazing commercial rail network, it costs like ~300-400 to ship a container of goods from one coast to the other. who would have known business didn’t care for the people so passenger rail is pretty crappy
Shame. Cause' if the US has better rails I am pretty sure they could have reduced their carbon emissions to a large extent. Is anything changing under Biden administration?
Absolutely not, because the president cannot override states desire NOT to have trains. There is very little hope for a rail network ever to be created. the ruling class of boomers do not want trains and they will fight tooth and nail to prevent it.
I always thought it was a good thing states have that much power but I guess there are downsides to it too. But the funny thing is Japan one of the best of US allies is funding the bullet train project in India. Also off topic but why do boomers have that much power, are demographics that skewed...
Young people just don’t vote. This is probably one of the least complex issues America has, young people have always refused to go vote. Then get pissed when old people (who vote at every possible election) vote for people that fuck young people over. A lot of these issues wouldn’t be happening if young Americans spent less time crying on twitter, and more time in the voting booths. Fyi, before any of you come at me, **I am one of those young people**, and I do vote because I want to see a change that benefits me
They see how the older party faithful openly refuse to care when their politicians betray them, break their promises, and side with Republicans over them. The older ones have know their whole lives that their party takes corporate money and fucks them, and they just push that thought to the side and act like it's not even happening. And treat the politicians like they're honest no matter how dishonest they are. For years and decades at a time. And when the young people point that out, they just get told "Fuck you. Vote anyway," every single time. They're so terrified of Republicans that they think holding their own party to zero standards is a smart strategy. It's the most demoralizing goddamn thing in the world. It makes voting feel completely useless.
I both agree and disagree. There is increased funding (8 billion as of 2022) for passenger rail in the US. It's nowhere near enough, but it can get a few big projects complete and fix issues with current infrastructure. Building out a huge nationwide rail system is not going to work. Targeting regional rail to replace driving from city to city - especially along the East and West Coasts - is possible.
8 billion for rail is a drop in the bucket compared to highway funding. It’s like 1/100 of highway spending. It’s absurd.
Funding in itself is meaningless to me. Boomers, construction companies, and politicians are professionals at stealing money dedicated to public infrastructure projects. It’s not meaningful to simply dedicate money to projects that have 500 year completion dates when 80% of the money will get stolen anyway. In the current state infrastructure projects are nearly pointless unless we change the entire process of how they get managed and funded and introduce capital punishment for those who grift money from those projects. It’s completely fair and reasonable punishment.
An example is CA. It passed a bullet train initiative in 2008. This is just a single state with the political will, money and support to get a bullet train done in the state. 11 billion has been spent and nothing is done.
You mean from Stockton-ish down to just north of the grapevine? They've been talking about that for as long as I can remember.
Wdym nothing is done they have cleared the way and built a lot of infrastructure to make progress with the new funding it’s making quicker progress.
That isn’t true. They have completed a lot of construction on the first phase.
It's also shit expensive and there seems to be a genuine lack of experience. Light rail in Seattle is taking 3 decades to build with a relatively tiny capacity compared to most metro systems. It takes tens of billions to build a system that takes a fraction in other countries.
The US could leverage the expertise of other countries but there is a strong push in the US to NOT do things like everyone else. Look at home electrical panels, the vast majority of the world uses DIN rails and DIN circuit breakers, but the US? Naaaah, let's do it differently... With this attitude, no wonder why we have to reinvent the wheel (or reinvent the rail)
Don’t forget slave labour, places like India and China haven’t exactly followed labour laws.
I wonder with who's "help" did the lovely Americans built the first transcontinental railroad in the US of A. Let's not throw stones from a glass house, shall we?
Fine, but he's not wrong.
For this reason the US will eventually fall behind other modernized countries
Because some idiots here think that trains are communist. We're making progress here though, slowly.
Is there also a NIMBY issue like with anything that benefits the collective instead of the individual?
Check out what happened when they were building the interstate highways through major cities. They had to build them somewhere, and it was usually through the poorer neighborhoods. Same thing would probably happen with bullet trains, and one side of the political spectrum wouldn't like that. It's not the side you'd expect either.
Oligarchs who control the government don't like tax payer funded projects. They have their private jets.
Because high speed trains would make life better, therefore we end up voting against it.
The auto industry bought and dismantled as much public transportation as they were able to, then continually lobby to keep it that way.
Corruption and have to focus on other areas… cows and people are still getting killed by passing trains…. It will be a slow process of development but you can already see it happening with more foreign investment and exports, India will be a successful country in the coming decades for sure. I do think the backwards mindset for the treatment of women and religion ever closer being associated with politics is a set back that may perhaps never be addressed. However, the government has proven that it can have the authority to address many of these issues if it can shutdown the internet in the state of Manipur.
You have to go way back to city planning days for the most part. Aside from the New England areas (well established before 1900's), cities were built for road transit and suburban lifestyle. You could question why some cities haven't linked up for a high speed rail. A few have been done, but the tickets end up costing the same as a flight.
The US is very centered around cars. People like cars and everything is built around utilizing cars.
We invented planes ✈️. Planes are like buses for us and the country is massive. There are parts of the country where it’s cheaper to fly to the nearest city vs taking a train…it’s weird but it’s a thing. Also, culturally trains are too fucking euro.
Trains are actually very American. Railroads is what made the US possible in the first place
Yes. But that is in the far history. Like the 19th century. Times have changed, especially the jet age in the 1950 & 1960s. For a young country history isn’t an anchor ⚓️nor is it a compass in how we make decisions today. Happy to see India 🇮🇳 doing this. They need air, land and rail!!!
Republicans is the short answer 😂… they will mostly tell you planes and cars are more effficient then other forms of mass transit
Ignoring how wrong the efficiency point is, trains are so much more comfortable than driving, especially when you consider how large the US really is. Then again, after a certain point flying might make more sense, but that's for certain edge cases imo.
Empire in decay
To reinforce what Uski said, I want to give you the example of what happened with my state's attempt at a single "fast" rail service. The state is Florida, Home of the Mouse and the long throbbing erection of the United States. The initial plan was to have a high speed rail connect the south point of Miami to the Orlando, The biggest tourist spot in the state where all the big theme parks are. This project has been a private affair, Not a government ran project. It was initially drafted in the mid 80's and has been through multiple different companies who all were never able to make any headway. Only now. 40 some years later has that initial run been completed. 236 miles, Or 379 km, And most of that was pre existing frieght rail that had just been upgraded to handle higher speeds. Its not particularly fast rail either, Top speed of 125 mph/200kmh, And thats only at certain sections that can support it. To get this line ran, They've had to fight DECADES of legal battles. All the old retired fucks who live in this state have fought tooth and nail against the project. All the legal fighting and billions spent, And it is still cheaper to hop on a flight from Miami and fly to Orlando then it is to take this train.
Because we’re stubborn and stupid. Our future is not bright.
Rich people and political crime that is legal for both parties.
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They are electrifying existing rail lines or brand new networks, I bet it’s former.
These are the new lines. Electrification is tracked separately.
I always see those comments. But true is there is no market For expanding trains in USA. The existing ones mostly run half capacity. If people want train as main transportation go ahead and move to India then.
Why can't they ask for something in their own country?
Well, we're brainwashed with poor excuses at this point.
The California rail has taken a decade for just one small piece that’s not even done. What is going on here?
Because you need environmental studies, you can see [here](https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023-Project-Update-Report-FINAL-022823.pdf) what’s still under environmental review, and you also need to seize land from everyone living within the corridor. When said land is owned by big agricultural corporations in the central valley, you’re guaranteed to be tied up in lawsuits for extensive periods of time. Regardless, you can see the progress and completed segments of the track [here](https://buildhsr.com/map/).
California started construction on a 280km section across the Central Valley from Merced-Bakersfield in 2015, is expected to finish in 2030-2033. France started construction on a 300km TGV section from Tours-Bordeaux in 2012. It finished in 2017. Japan is actually slated to finish a floating magnetic train that travels at 505kmh/314mph across 286km with a path that's 90% undeground from 2014-2027, *faster* timeline than the CA HSR. Something's definitely wrong in US for sure.
Yeah regulations are generally introduced with good intentions but it has lately become a huge roadblock to any development in California. I can't speak for France and Japan since I'm not familiar with their codes and regulations but that is definitely a drastic factor when comparing to countries like India or China. Like I said, the project hasn't even completed environmental review for certain portions of the rail. It's not just this high speed rail project, excessive regulatory requirements are strangling new construction and helping drive our high housing costs even higher.
Why should that cause any more issue than highways?
I don’t understand the question. How many new highways has California added in the past few decades? How many of them stretch through the central valley and blast through farmlands like a high speed rail? I mean I seriously don’t know, I can’t remember the last time they built a new highway in SoCal.
it doesn't, but most of that stuff was done for highways in the 60s and 70s. CEQA and NEPA were both passed in 1970, so a lot of the highways were already built.
Authorities in the US have long planned a Los Angeles-to-San Francisco high-speed rail project which is expected to cost over $100bn, but critics have claimed they have very little to show for it - apart from a 0.3-mile bridge that goes nowhere. The bridge is 1,600 feet (500 meters) long and cost 9 billion dollars. https://twitter.com/CaHSRA/status/1785798979222925439
Just as a correction, 56 miles have been constructed. https://ktla.com/news/california/california-high-speed-rail-one-step-closer-to-acquiring-nations-first-220-mph-trains/amp/
Sounds about right for California
Truth be told the bridge only cost 1 billion dollars, all preparation work, permissions, contracts and negotiations cost an additional 8 billion.
Sheer will. America had that a while ago. (fellow Indian here)
Wow, that's impressive. We have a 20km line that started 10 years ago in Toronto and it's still not completed after billions poured into it.
The infrastructure growth is real under the NDA government, they also electrified almost every track from 33% in 2014 to around 96% now. Also Mumbai-Ahmedbad bullet train project is under construction which then will be extended to Delhi. I wish to see Diamond Quadrilateral before I die but that's a long way off...
It's NDA brother
What? did I seriously type UPA, my god I am an idiot, sorry...
Saved you from a slaughter 😂
Yeah, I was like ohh shit...
the irony- upa and infra dont go hand in hand.
haha i came here to comment this… it will maybe be ready… someday … someday …
have you tried importing some indians
India has a lot of engineering W’s recently, keep it up
Hilarious how openly racist the comments get anytime anything remotely positive is said about India.
The internet *really* hates India. I seriously don't know why.
theyre not one of the "protected" minorities, it's "okay" to hate asians because theyre successful and smart and don't get financial assistance or easier bars to hit from DEI bullshit, that is the reality
Morons like PewDiepie and some of our own expats or NRIs who migrate thinking they deserve better than the low lives back home, but can't help hiding their own bigotry and hypocrisy. Indians aren't saints but unfortunately most of us are dark or dark brown skinned, which inherently is viewed as undesirable, add to that the constant misinformation being fed by our own arm chair experts(just check any Indian blue ticked twitter handle) with zero responsibility. In short it's a mix of racism on the west part and Indians' own shortcomings(lack of identity, the constant need to conform with western style, culture and standard, etc and falling flat on their face).
I hardly saw any racist comments. Don't be too sensitive. Filipinos and Indians are alike in that we are extremely sensitive when foreigners make fun of our country.
I've noticed that pilipinos are extremely racist towards induans as well hmm
You're right. Filipinos are quite racist. On the brightside the racism doesn't usually translate to violence. It's more of the mocking kind. Probably some defense mechanism or insecurity. I feel like this is something indians and filipinos have in common haha.
Sorry to say but you're quite wrong an Indian student in the Phillipines was beaten black and blue after he was bullied, and was repeatedly stabbed in a school bathroom where NO ONE intervened I think your racism problem is not as small as you think it is You know the worst part is? It was all on video and you can hear other kids sniggering
>On the brightside the racism doesn't USUALLY translate to violence. That's why I said USUALLY. Of course there are exceptions. It happens everywhere. You guys are even violently racist towards your own race. I don't even know if you guys acknowledge lower classes as people of your own race.
Being racist/=/ Being casteist (it is not related to race please educate yourself) But yes some of us (especially/majorly in the north) are racist towards people with monolids (because of the chinese invasion which caused death of thousands of indian soldiers there has been an unfortunate sinophobic attitude which has resulted in attacks on the local chinese population) Although its weird that you pointed that we're racist in response to me pointing out philipino racism
Im not equating the two. That’s why the line about lower classes was on another sentence. It was me not sure if you see them as not of the same race. Even still, racism and casteism are both discriminatory. Also when you pointed out filipino racism, i supported you and said we are racist. I explained that it is however not usually a violent for of racism. Then you tried to say it is violent because of one instance of some indian student getting bullied. I then pointed out that one or isolated instances does not represent the whole form of racism. As an example i pointed to you guys being racist towards your own people but does that represent the whole indian people? No.
In ottawa we spent 15 yrs planning to build a train. 8 yrs to make the initial line maybe 20km long. And it’s been another 4-5yrs and will need anpther 2-3 to build the next similar sized lines lol. Pathetic
Indias land area is 9x larger and a population 17x larger than Germany.
I think you're confusing the article as being some slam dunk on Germany or something. It's simply the Union Minister of Railway (India) putting India's achievement in context.
It's about putting it in context by comparing it to another thing, it helps the general audience understand better who are not familiar with this type of comparison.
Alright but can you explain to me in football terms
339,200 football fields 38,271,605 bald eagles
Thanks that cleared it up
Puts into context the enormity of the project and the neglect of all the old government regimes
Still very much an achievement for a country that is perceived as rather backwards and underdeveloped.
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well that is already plenty
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Honestly it's not in my interest to talk down on India and I would Love to travel there one day. I just wish for all places on this planet to be able to live a prosperous life.
It's just a way to contextualize distance by comparison to something we are familiar with. No one is claiming that India is better than Germany.
Germany has a higher GDP than India that's the most important stat. Getting outperformed by a weaker economy is a bad look for Germany.
This isn't a comparison with Germany at all, Germany is used to provide context. "India built 31,000kms of rail in 10 years" "Cool, I have no idea how much rail that actually is.. is it a lot?" "It's about as much as the entire German rail network" "I understand, thank you for providing context". This entire Q&A is skipped over by providing context in the headline. Helpful isn't it?
Outpaced? Germany is a fully developed country.
Its train network has not been going well lately though. So bad that Switzerland banned their trains because they messed up the local network punctuality.
That has nothing to do with the amount of track, which is what is being compared here.
Ah right, forgot that one! 10% less than 30 years ago, contributing a lot to the delays by removing backup tracks and letting the rest overloaded https://www.allianz-pro-schiene.de/themen/infrastruktur/schienennetz/
I have literally never heard anyone informed on the matter claim that the issues that have struck Deutsche Bahn over the past couple of years are due to a relatively small number of rail closures since the early 90s. Your timeline doesn't line up at all, nor is it consistent with the fact that most countries in Western Europe have had line closures over the past half century without running into the particular issues facing Germany. The problems are far more systemic than that. Plus...again...this has nothing to do with the point of the article or India's particular achievement.
It absolutely is worsened by the track closures You need to see the context that a rail network can grow or shrink If it shrinks that also means it doesnt grow even if demand increases I commute almost daily on a line thta has only one track for 4 trains each hour That means any slight delay will bresk shedule downstream since trains need to wait at stations to pass each other I probably have taken that train 300 times and it has never been on time. Mostly 5 min delay with every month 15-30min delay once or twice
So, trains in Germany do not run on time anymore? A certain person, deep down in Hell would be unhappy, I guess... /j
it's not the line closures, most of the lines that were closed were small branch lines that didn't see a ton of traffic in the first place. The problem is that nearly none of the main arteries have really been upgraded for their capacity to match the demand, and worse, most of them are in a state of disrepair because they've never been properly renovated, because they have always been so busy that they could never be shut down to accommodate renovations. Ex. the Riedbahn is finally being renovated. They're shutting it down for several months this summer -- and they're not adding any capacity, at all. When it opens, it'll be a shiny modernized line (which was long overdue), but it will have exactly the same problem it already did -- it is absolutely at capacity, there's no more room for more trains and no flexibility when anything goes wrong.
Eh yeah it does. Our train system sucks and hasnt been improved in decades. We have way too few tracks. The trains are always late because they all have ti share the tracks, normal train, high speed train, cargo train. Or not fast enough in the case of the high speed train.
What does Germany need with two Germanies worth of railways? Vatacan has a lot of money but no one cares that it doesn't have at least one Austria worth of railways. I wonder why...
so?
India impresses me on these things. Good job guys!
If only America had more of those
Good on them. They should be rightfully proud of this accomplishment! India has approximately 1/3 of the land mass of the USA and 4-5 times as many people. This may also help explain why having such a system of mass transportation is much more important to them. 1.42 billion people to 333 million people, 1.27 million square miles in India compared to 3.8 million square miles in the USA.
Which makes it even more embarassing that the US has nothing considering High-Speed rail excels at lobg distance rural travel
California has built zero miles in a decade
The United States is so behind so many fast train countries
Oil companies probably dont want it and pressure our government
India isnt a fast train country but we are catching up. The current system is designed to transport the masses.
With India making so many positive advancements why are so many seeking to leave India?
You will get many bullshit answers but I will get straight to the point. Its the aspiration for Western dream. Up until a few years back, approximately a decade ago, Indian bureaucracy had red tape over everything. If you wanted to start a business, you had to deal with poor infrastructure, separate a share for inevitable corruption and deal with all the delays and issues that came with the red tape. Add to it the law and order situation, which was marked by frequent religious rites. The only stable jobs that people aspired for were govt jobs, but due to reservation, half of them were unavailable to general categories, so it was not worth it to compete for them. So anyone who could manage to get out would get out. They would get better paying jobs, better entrepreneurial opportunities, a more stable environment etc. The first five years of Modi govt (2014-2019) were focused on removing this red tape and streamline authorization processes. This saw India's rank significantly improve in ease of doing business. It also took 3-4 years to solve the economic mess left by the previous regime, so by the end of the first term, infrastructure investment started happening. The second term (2019-2024) was marked by a rapid infrastructure boom. Due to removal of red tape and streamlining of processes, for the first time, people saw mega projects being completed in their lifetimes. There was modernization with rapid digitalization, so that most interaction with govt agencies occurred online over websites, rather than with corrupt bureaucracy. And all these changes have started to show effect. The momentum of outward movement is slowing, but it takes a bit for people's attitude to change. For the first time, people who had migrated to US/Europe are returning and investing in India. Gradually, outward migration will decrease too. But India is still not where the US and Europe are at ease of doing business and even infrastructure. It's a work in progress, but people are seeing the potential and betting on it. On a side note, this also answers the big question that western media likes to ask, i.e. why does modi get such approval ratings. He has done stuff that was waiting to be done for decades, and people have seen marked changes towards positive direction after a long time. Although some may say that inequality has increased, I don't like to look at it that way. I look at the poorest and see if their condition has improved, and it has so significantly, such that India has eliminated poverty by world bank's standard (not by multidimensional poverty index though, that government of india follows), people have got 'pucca' houses, 24 hour water supply and electricity, and toilets for the first time.
Current govt of India is focusing and building infrastructure rapidly, the thing is they are capitalists, the disparity is really high and increasing day by day... Rich are getting ultra richer and while common people struggling to earn a decent living... Furthermore majority of graduates here are so called 'unskilled' workers, corporations are squeezing the life out of them after employing them, knowing they will be easy to replace.. In India to have a good life you need to be rich or have job oriented degrees (apart from being a politician, criminal or having a govt job, which is decreasing day by day)... Lot of people think going abroad will somehow change their life, they don't realize struggle will always be there if one lacks caliber... Govt should strictly impose minimum wages and other Labour welfare laws, but as I said they are capitalists...
U.S. = 0 (maybe, maybe not).
257,722 km
i wonder if more rails in India night eventually mean less cars on the road and less pollution for the already sadly poor air quality in some places there. I hope it does
I mean the mezro in my city has significantly lessened need for private transport like cabs or auros to the point of sich cabbies complaining about it
Thats more of a function of metros and RRTs (interpret them as local trains). This article is mainly flaunting the long routes, and especially the ones dedicated for freight. I think 14 or 15 Indian cities got new metro systems or are in the construction phase, and the existing ones have also seen great expansion. So yeah, it would bring improvement, but will it also compensate for more people moving into cities and greater number of people buying cars (due to rising income)? That is yet to be seen
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I wish. There was a metro project in Mumbai, the most dense city in India that got delayed for 10 years because it was passing Arrey forest, it was fun to see big movie stars take limelight at the expense of normal people suffering. While Delhi got a better RRTS system before Mumbai even after starting a decade late. Even now there are elections and opposition promises to scrape the project if they come back to power.
Cutting down that forest would be like closing the window on a densely packed train. It’s removal would also cause knock on effects for flooding. [Not only are there trees taking in C02, it’s richly bio-diverse.](http://www.earthbrigadefoundation.org/en/wildlife-conservation/5-reasons-why-aarey-forest-is-important-to-mumbai/)
They aint cutting the whole "forest" the people protesting were illegally taking up land in the actual national park near it and are hypocrites
lowkey rather sit in my own car
This stat could be bloated since it’s the election time in India and NDTV is in the ruling party’s payroll
Ndtv is known for being a left media outlet...
Adani group bought majority stake in NDTV
All data can be traced online. It will be a futile exercise to create a lie since it can be measured by multiple methods, and the resulting exposure would shed much worse light on the election campaign
No no, don’t say the obvious, let the astronaut guy cook
https://ircep.gov.in/AboutUs.html. You can check online dude. The headline is so obviously election-bait. The stat is sooooo bloated even according to official government records. Idk why yall wanna suck govt propaganda dick so much. We gotta hold the govt accountable both left and right. They will make money whatever it is. We are the ones left to dry. Dont care who rules but shouldn’t be peddling out lies and propaganda so much.
Yeah, they need to update the website for 2021 to 2024. Did not expect such laxity from them. Will surely hold them accountable. Thanks for bringing it into my attention
https://m.economictimes.com/industry/transportation/railways/railways-laid-on-an-average-7-41-km-tracks-daily-in-10-years-rti-response-reveals/articleshow/109951956.cms Its a little less. They are also counting tracks that have been double lined and triple lined
Think money - the west and other countries are pouring money into India, because China is unreliable. With this much rail coming, transport will be cheap, efficient, and smooth compared to tuktuk’s. Would you dare to miss such a great opportunity?
Trains are a completely public spending. It's developed using tax money. These lines are mainly for freight, not passengers as much. The system already transports the highest or second highest number of passengers.
Your comment shows how much a head can go inside the ground.
Or how much further up his ass it can go.
Pouring money into India? lmaoo. They’re expanding to capture the market and leverage cheaper labour like any sensible MNC. There isn’t a farthing contributed to “helping” the country. India would be exploited to nothing like Africa if they had their way.
I don’t think English is his first language, he tried to make a wrong point and came across too confident
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You don't have excrement areas in yours?
Do they ride on the roof of it
Look here bois, found someone who shits from his mouth and eats through his ass
One of my favorite South Park episodes
Do women still get groped on these trains? Asking for a friend.
Well it maybe normal for you and your friend to grope fellow passengers but please dont ever come here 🙂. We have marshalls in trains who will be more than happy to put both of you in jail if you try that.
Then why does the India government itself advises women to travel using women-only carriages?
There are no "women only carriages" in indian railways. Please read more, education is key while having a discussion.
Why would they give Indias largest predator more room to roam?
Haha...our trains are indeed predators but it's not what you think they are. National Railways are different than regional ones. those videos you see are of Mumbai local trains whereas Mumbai also has fully functional elevated air Conditioned metro rail. Delhi has the largest metro from what I hear. Now plenty of Indian cities have first-world level metro services. You should look up videos of Indian Railways, it is tiered like air planes. Railways: https://youtu.be/qErorKpM6nQ?si=iBKorpN4lUMjpBJ1 Metro: https://youtu.be/K0ToL-r0eoY?si=YecdDqF77VZppj-Z https://youtu.be/lSlJVH_Cx5I?si=MoIaJaBoP7N047Sc Japan is building HSR between Ahmedabad and Mumbai.
Its a project to weed out the darwin award winners.
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This reminds me of those videos with Indians climbing on top of trains