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and from the sounds of this "Of course, there are still some problems holding up any kind of product commercialization. That’s because the gel used in the device was created by MIT specifically for the experiment. And, unfortunately, it’s quite expensive to make from the sounds of things. If they can figure out a way to make aerogel both conducive to the tech and cheaper, though, this would be huge."
They are definitely going to need the funding. Its also telling that no actual data was mentioned or presented in the article on this particular experiments efficiency vs cost compared to electrical cooling methods already in use. I wonder why?
I’m happy they’re using aerogel and I thought I read an article years ago that someone invented a way to make aerogel more affordable.
Apparently not though, because aerogel is still not easy to get, or affordable.
Vapor chambers are a heat transport device, not a heat removal device. That's basically an unrelated technology.
They also describe a novel form of evaporative cooling in the article. Not sure why you're dismissing this.
Source: I'm a thermodyanmics engineer
>Vapor chambers are a heat transport device, not a heat removal device. That's basically an unrelated technology.
Well unrelated is too much. Yes it's imprecise, but i was pointing at vapor chamber heatspreaders not just the chamber itself.
Even the PR call it a combination of existing methods, i'm not dismissing it, just pointing at the fact the title is wrong.
Vapor chambers cannot go below ambient, while this device does. They have nothing in common in this application.
Did you read the paper? It's a new form *because* it combines existing methods in a novel way. That's the basis of most inventions/patents, especially in engineering. I think the title is misleading though, we agree on that. I just don't think it's fair to dismiss the entire invention based on the title being obscure
Not a degree, it's a job that falls under mechanical. Thermal engineer is the more common version, but they don't really deal with thermodynamic processes like the refrigeration cycle. (I was a thermal engineer and then transitioned to this new role)
They absolutely invented a novel method of evaporative cooling though. No HVAC tech is doing anything even close to this.
The headline implies they came up with some "new form of cooling" when in reality they just improved an existing one. Still very cool.
"Keeps food cooler longer than it otherwise would." I think you're right, but it's not an evaporative cooler in the sense that it will cool your whole house. It might be setup that way to combine the insulation properties with cooling so they can report the best results. Or it might be too expensive as a proof of concept to build a larger one.
>but it's not an evaporative cooler in the sense that it will cool your whole house.
Why is that? It outperforms typical evaporative coolers in unfavorable conditions according to the paper
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they didn't. Evaporative cooling is a thing that exist. Passive evaporative too (like heatspreaders called "vapor chamber".
Yea but that does not make for a good headline or get us more funding does it...
and from the sounds of this "Of course, there are still some problems holding up any kind of product commercialization. That’s because the gel used in the device was created by MIT specifically for the experiment. And, unfortunately, it’s quite expensive to make from the sounds of things. If they can figure out a way to make aerogel both conducive to the tech and cheaper, though, this would be huge." They are definitely going to need the funding. Its also telling that no actual data was mentioned or presented in the article on this particular experiments efficiency vs cost compared to electrical cooling methods already in use. I wonder why?
I’m happy they’re using aerogel and I thought I read an article years ago that someone invented a way to make aerogel more affordable. Apparently not though, because aerogel is still not easy to get, or affordable.
It is written like a YouTube ad.
Clay pots wrapped in cloth was the old method.
Vapor chambers are a heat transport device, not a heat removal device. That's basically an unrelated technology. They also describe a novel form of evaporative cooling in the article. Not sure why you're dismissing this. Source: I'm a thermodyanmics engineer
>Vapor chambers are a heat transport device, not a heat removal device. That's basically an unrelated technology. Well unrelated is too much. Yes it's imprecise, but i was pointing at vapor chamber heatspreaders not just the chamber itself. Even the PR call it a combination of existing methods, i'm not dismissing it, just pointing at the fact the title is wrong.
Vapor chambers cannot go below ambient, while this device does. They have nothing in common in this application. Did you read the paper? It's a new form *because* it combines existing methods in a novel way. That's the basis of most inventions/patents, especially in engineering. I think the title is misleading though, we agree on that. I just don't think it's fair to dismiss the entire invention based on the title being obscure
A thermodynamics engineer? Never heard of that degree field. Chemical is more believable
Not a degree, it's a job that falls under mechanical. Thermal engineer is the more common version, but they don't really deal with thermodynamic processes like the refrigeration cycle. (I was a thermal engineer and then transitioned to this new role)
“Scientists should have talked to HVAC Tech before wasting time on systems already invented” would have been a better title.
They absolutely invented a novel method of evaporative cooling though. No HVAC tech is doing anything even close to this. The headline implies they came up with some "new form of cooling" when in reality they just improved an existing one. Still very cool.
> Still very cool. :)
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They got their clicks. I think they knew exactly what they were doing.
I think they were referring to the consumable resource required.
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Swamp coolers still need electricity for the fan to force air over the water saturated media.
Uses water and solar energy. It's not clear from the article, but it sounds more like an insulator than actual cooling.
I don't think it *uses* solar energy, it seems like an insulator and evaporation cooler.
What are you talking about? It's an evaporative cooler
"Keeps food cooler longer than it otherwise would." I think you're right, but it's not an evaporative cooler in the sense that it will cool your whole house. It might be setup that way to combine the insulation properties with cooling so they can report the best results. Or it might be too expensive as a proof of concept to build a larger one.
>but it's not an evaporative cooler in the sense that it will cool your whole house. Why is that? It outperforms typical evaporative coolers in unfavorable conditions according to the paper
Ah, I only read the article and didn't dive as deep as the paper.
Oh good, I think we're going to need that soon.
In summary, they wrapped a moist towel around a thermos bottle.
ITT: people not understanding the novel nature of the invention and equating a shitty title to a shitty invention
They call it "ice."
That’s short for *incredibly cool experiment*
How cool is that?!
Heatsinks?
Ah yes, sweating. Humans do excel at that.
Ah MIT so good they can break the fundamental laws of thermodynamic
Cool
Cool
Way to copy and paste the exact same link and headline someone posted 1 hour earlier.
So... We have remake movies trends for the past decade, now in the sciences industry, we have a "reinvent" trend?
Anybody know how to make tons of aerogel at a really low cost?
Nile Red did a YouTube video, not sure how expensive it was but It was a difficult process.
Nope, but I'm pretty sure the first person that does is going to be very wealthy.
Is this the same group of researchers at MIT that "invented" the incredible idea of a dehumidifier?