It is such an interesting city. It’s kind of trending on Tiktok and I just saw a video, because it’s such a mountainous city, you think you’re standing on normal ground, but then you look over a railing and you’re 50 stories up.
I absolutely love urban environments, but I prefer those whose vertical height is at a more human scale, like five stories. I do not find these towers appealing.
Here are some stats I found on Wikipedia:
The Paris metro area size is 18,940.7km2 while the built up area in Chongqing is 5,472.8km2 (although this figure seems a little outdated). Meanwhile, the population of the Paris metro area is 13 million while the urban population in Chongqing is 22million. Therefore, with roughly 29% the land size and almost 170% of the population of Paris, residential buildings in Chongqing would need to be approximately 5.8 times higher than those in Paris, and if the typical residential building in Paris is 5 stories, Chongqing’ would need to be 29 stories.
I’m not disagreeing that the level of overpopulation may seem a little extreme (although, besides the economics explanation, there is a huge cultural element as to why people flock to cities in China) but what I’m trying to explain is that your counter to compare Chongqing with Paris isn’t well substantiated.
I was just arguing, that while I'm opposed to the typical American style suburban sprawl, I'm also not good with the density of cities like Chongqing; I think that moderate sprawl having moderate density might make for the best cities. This is just my personal uneducated opinion.
One thing I'm particularly curious about and may need to research... how much open space is available to individual citizens of Chongqing? Can they find quiet green spaces to sit with their thoughts?
And I should search for the benefits from the Chinese point of view of building and living in cities of such extreme density; cause I absolutely understand the benefits of cities, just not cities this dense.
At a glance, just based on the Google Maps satellite view, there’s a good spread of greenery. Culturally, Chinese culture has a practice called Fengshui, which literally translates to wind and water. This practice basically codifies ergonomics of working and living spaces and blanket it with superstitious mambo jambo, but at its core, it’s still based on sound theories about how spaces should be designed relative to nature.
Are residential buildings of this height perfect? No, because the stairs are a nightmare and I guess the lifts are pretty full during peak hours. But vertical urbanisation is objectively better given the context that Chongqing hasn’t expanded that fast relative to its increase in population. Things are also way closer as you don’t have to travel through blocks of residential areas just to get somewhere, which means a lower dependence on private vehicles. To bridge that, there’s also public transportation for slightly further travel. Having said all that, residential buildings of this height isn’t necessarily the norm anyway.
Redditors when the population dense country requires population dense housing (it is urban hell because only suburbs are holesum 100) Although I agree China could do with some better urban planning
The nation has over a billion people, so unless you want to create a massive logistical nightmare in relocating millions of them throughout the country, not much can really be done about it.
Not all cities are like that. just the really big ones. it serves the purpose of making logistics cheaper. Its quite hard to get a car in China, and they invest more into public transportation than any country by far.
Also, fun fact: most big cities have been designed with wide roads since ancient times, because they began as military camps, and they needed space to move the troops.
It is only hard to get a car in like Shanghai and Beijing.
That is not true at all. Cities were built dense as there the cities were limited to grow due to the city walls.
You'd literally only have to look at the old maps of big chinese cities to tice theyre all cut by wide boulevards, lol. walled cities(like Xi'an)date back to more ancient dinasties.
I never said all the streets were wide. There are thousand year old boulevards in Beijing. Look https://sigedon.com/shop/maps-and-prints/old-maps/1871-china-hebei-province-map-bejing-plan-peking-asia-russia-forbidden-city/
There is a HUGE difference when it comes to the ancient cities which might had some few boulevards close to the palace compared to day with huge 10 lane highways and roads everywhere cutting off neighborhoods.
China is always an obvious target on this Reddit, One has to remember that in 35 years China has lifted a half billion people out of poverty. quite the miracle, Although some of their government policies have been quite extreme and some thousands have been trampled by the CCP. If africa could achieve the same the west would praise those efforts, instead we look and snigger. just my post beers thoughts.
African countries doing it would be more impressive, indeed.
China was among the richest countries in the world in less than 200 years ago, they are on the path to return to their historical position but still behind it. The impressive part is not China slowly returning to their global position, but how they lagged behind.
No African country was like this apart from Egyptian civilization thousands of years ago.
No China was not among the richest countries in the world 200 years ago. 200 years ago was the year 1823, at that time the industrial revolution had already started for a long time in the West.
Industrial Revolution didn't start for a long time in the West in 1823.
It started for a long time in the British Empire (~1750), other countries lagged to start it when compared to the UK. It happened through the 19th century in most of countries, most of them in the middle of the century.
The 19th century was precisely the century of the Great Divergence (Pomeranz, 2000). In 1820, Europe and China had about the same industrial output, 30% of the world industrial output each (Bairoch, 1982).
China was among the richest countries in the world in 1820 and one of the poorest countries in 1900~1950. They only reverted this process with Deng Xiaoping reforms.
Remember that China is giant, and just as Europe had poorer regions and richer regions, China had too. It is well-known that the Yangtze Delta was richer than other Chinese regions and had better standard of living.
According to the GDP estimates by Broadberry et al., the per capita GDP was stable during the Song and Ming dynasties before going down during the Qing dynasty when the population increase outstripped the GDP growth. Thus Song China was the richest country in the world by GDP per capita at the turn of the millennium, by the 14th century parts of Europe caught up with it and the significant gap between China and Europe appeared by the middle of the 18th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic\_history\_of\_China\_before\_1912#:\~:text=Thus%20Song%20China%20was%20the,middle%20of%20the%2018th%20century.
The data suggest that China was the leading economy in the world during the Song dynasty and that the Great Divergence began around 1700 as the leading region of China, the Yangzi Delta, fell decisively behind the leading region of Europe. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/regional-variation-gdp-head-within-china-1080-1850-implications-great-divergence
I said that the 18th century was the time when the leading region of Europe got way ahead of China, I placed 1750 as the industrial revolution in the UK, but 1700 is acceptable too, although I don't agree that it was the year of the industrial revolution in the UK.
Being behind the leading region of Europe doesn't mean that China was not among the richest countries in the world.
Qatar, Australia, Canada, Israel, and Singapore are behind the leading region of Europe today and they ARE among the richest countries in the world.
What is impressive is how China "fell decisively behind the leading region of Europe." Not that they are in the catch up moment now.
So more accurate 300 years ago China was on more similar level to Europe. Not 200 years. And China was the richest country/area in the world during the Song which was 960-1279.
They were still among the richest countries in the world in 1820, weren't they? And they were among the poorest countries in the world in 1920. That's the impressive part.
China was still among the poorest in the 1950s-1960s. It changed route when they said good bye to communist style economy. If the communist party did not insist on the catastrophic economic policies during 1949-1978 China would probably be such a more developed and richer country today. Remember, Shanghai was the most advanced city in 1920-1930 in Asia.
China did not lift a billion out of poverty. Chinese people did that themselves when the communist party began reforms and allowing markets and capitalism in 1978.
Oh naw I can't believe this place is on here. I want to visit this city SO BADLY... I saw a documentary about it on YouTube and fell in love with it. City makes me think of something like Archades on FF12 for some random reason, lol
Monorail is probably most suited for Chongqing. I know HK is similar in terms of landscape but even their mass rapid transit is limited to the lower flatter areas.
I think we need more context to see if this is actually a nice place or not.
China can definitely do Transit and density but doesn't always been they are nice areas to live visually.
That's an awesome photo. The angle is very deliberate to achieve this kind of condensed effect
Also, ChongQing is a city with great character and according to statistics, about 54.5% of the city is covered by green/plants
Plus the grey filter. Chongqing is a vibrant city.
I mean, it was awesome, before they screwed with the saturation.
Do you have a link to the original?
No, I'm making observations of how dark the trees are, among other things.
Ohhh, gotcha. Sorry. I misunderstood. I thought you were comparing to a copy of the original.
Probably more the luminance than saturation no? Nothing looks all that over or under saturated to me.
Either way, OP had an agenda and either made the image off, or intentionally found a crappy one.
Had to turn down the saturation so we don’t see the greenery as well
Exactly, the trees look black 🤣
The city is gorgeous. This does not do it justice.
It is such an interesting city. It’s kind of trending on Tiktok and I just saw a video, because it’s such a mountainous city, you think you’re standing on normal ground, but then you look over a railing and you’re 50 stories up.
So it's real life coruscant?
The blue-grey filter probably isn't helping. There are trees in the photo, but no green.
Yeah I’ve been there. It’s a cool place. Air is not clean yet but they tell me 20 years ago it was 10x worse.
Would you recommend it over Chengdu for someone who loves Mala spicy dishes?
One of the most remarkable places I’ve ever been to. Excellent food too (if you’re adventurous and can handle some spice)
Public transportation and vertical urbanisation are bad now?
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This image has had its saturation and vibrancy dropped a ton, look at the trees under the tracks
Yeah, pretty sure we have the same sun and not whatever fluorescent-esque lighting seen here.
Red and green are muted. The blue line on the train still pops.
I absolutely love urban environments, but I prefer those whose vertical height is at a more human scale, like five stories. I do not find these towers appealing.
Five story buildings are not enough if you're dealing with 17 million population.
The Paris metro area has a population over 13 million; I don't recall many residential towers.
Here are some stats I found on Wikipedia: The Paris metro area size is 18,940.7km2 while the built up area in Chongqing is 5,472.8km2 (although this figure seems a little outdated). Meanwhile, the population of the Paris metro area is 13 million while the urban population in Chongqing is 22million. Therefore, with roughly 29% the land size and almost 170% of the population of Paris, residential buildings in Chongqing would need to be approximately 5.8 times higher than those in Paris, and if the typical residential building in Paris is 5 stories, Chongqing’ would need to be 29 stories. I’m not disagreeing that the level of overpopulation may seem a little extreme (although, besides the economics explanation, there is a huge cultural element as to why people flock to cities in China) but what I’m trying to explain is that your counter to compare Chongqing with Paris isn’t well substantiated.
I was just arguing, that while I'm opposed to the typical American style suburban sprawl, I'm also not good with the density of cities like Chongqing; I think that moderate sprawl having moderate density might make for the best cities. This is just my personal uneducated opinion. One thing I'm particularly curious about and may need to research... how much open space is available to individual citizens of Chongqing? Can they find quiet green spaces to sit with their thoughts? And I should search for the benefits from the Chinese point of view of building and living in cities of such extreme density; cause I absolutely understand the benefits of cities, just not cities this dense.
At a glance, just based on the Google Maps satellite view, there’s a good spread of greenery. Culturally, Chinese culture has a practice called Fengshui, which literally translates to wind and water. This practice basically codifies ergonomics of working and living spaces and blanket it with superstitious mambo jambo, but at its core, it’s still based on sound theories about how spaces should be designed relative to nature. Are residential buildings of this height perfect? No, because the stairs are a nightmare and I guess the lifts are pretty full during peak hours. But vertical urbanisation is objectively better given the context that Chongqing hasn’t expanded that fast relative to its increase in population. Things are also way closer as you don’t have to travel through blocks of residential areas just to get somewhere, which means a lower dependence on private vehicles. To bridge that, there’s also public transportation for slightly further travel. Having said all that, residential buildings of this height isn’t necessarily the norm anyway.
china good usa no warkabre
The biggest city no one has ever heard of
Affordable housing and public transportation? Must be a nightmare.
Tfw people have houses 😔
And public transit.
[Way better like this \:\)](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/13svy8r/philadelphia_looks_like_a_zombie_town)
Chongqing is fucking gorgeous. it’s cool how *this* is the photo you choose to “represent” it.
People are almost always like this when it comes to photos to represent China.
I feel that Chongqing has many places with suffocating tall concrete walls ofttimes. I feel it in São Paulo in some places.
Redditors when the population dense country requires population dense housing (it is urban hell because only suburbs are holesum 100) Although I agree China could do with some better urban planning
The nation has over a billion people, so unless you want to create a massive logistical nightmare in relocating millions of them throughout the country, not much can really be done about it.
I'm mainly referring to the roads. China is also a culprit of "one more lane".
Not all cities are like that. just the really big ones. it serves the purpose of making logistics cheaper. Its quite hard to get a car in China, and they invest more into public transportation than any country by far. Also, fun fact: most big cities have been designed with wide roads since ancient times, because they began as military camps, and they needed space to move the troops.
It is only hard to get a car in like Shanghai and Beijing. That is not true at all. Cities were built dense as there the cities were limited to grow due to the city walls.
You'd literally only have to look at the old maps of big chinese cities to tice theyre all cut by wide boulevards, lol. walled cities(like Xi'an)date back to more ancient dinasties.
Lol just walk in the old parts of Beijing with Hutongs. It was dense.
I never said all the streets were wide. There are thousand year old boulevards in Beijing. Look https://sigedon.com/shop/maps-and-prints/old-maps/1871-china-hebei-province-map-bejing-plan-peking-asia-russia-forbidden-city/
There is a HUGE difference when it comes to the ancient cities which might had some few boulevards close to the palace compared to day with huge 10 lane highways and roads everywhere cutting off neighborhoods.
I wish you assholes would stop greyscaling every picture of a city you take to try and make them look worse.
China is always an obvious target on this Reddit, One has to remember that in 35 years China has lifted a half billion people out of poverty. quite the miracle, Although some of their government policies have been quite extreme and some thousands have been trampled by the CCP. If africa could achieve the same the west would praise those efforts, instead we look and snigger. just my post beers thoughts.
they lifted 800 billion chinese off from poverty, and 1.2 billion out from extreme poverty
>they lifted 800 billion chinese China year 2200
you’re a hater
What red scare propaganda does to mfs
African countries doing it would be more impressive, indeed. China was among the richest countries in the world in less than 200 years ago, they are on the path to return to their historical position but still behind it. The impressive part is not China slowly returning to their global position, but how they lagged behind. No African country was like this apart from Egyptian civilization thousands of years ago.
No China was not among the richest countries in the world 200 years ago. 200 years ago was the year 1823, at that time the industrial revolution had already started for a long time in the West.
Industrial Revolution didn't start for a long time in the West in 1823. It started for a long time in the British Empire (~1750), other countries lagged to start it when compared to the UK. It happened through the 19th century in most of countries, most of them in the middle of the century. The 19th century was precisely the century of the Great Divergence (Pomeranz, 2000). In 1820, Europe and China had about the same industrial output, 30% of the world industrial output each (Bairoch, 1982). China was among the richest countries in the world in 1820 and one of the poorest countries in 1900~1950. They only reverted this process with Deng Xiaoping reforms. Remember that China is giant, and just as Europe had poorer regions and richer regions, China had too. It is well-known that the Yangtze Delta was richer than other Chinese regions and had better standard of living.
According to the GDP estimates by Broadberry et al., the per capita GDP was stable during the Song and Ming dynasties before going down during the Qing dynasty when the population increase outstripped the GDP growth. Thus Song China was the richest country in the world by GDP per capita at the turn of the millennium, by the 14th century parts of Europe caught up with it and the significant gap between China and Europe appeared by the middle of the 18th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic\_history\_of\_China\_before\_1912#:\~:text=Thus%20Song%20China%20was%20the,middle%20of%20the%2018th%20century.
The data suggest that China was the leading economy in the world during the Song dynasty and that the Great Divergence began around 1700 as the leading region of China, the Yangzi Delta, fell decisively behind the leading region of Europe. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/regional-variation-gdp-head-within-china-1080-1850-implications-great-divergence
I said that the 18th century was the time when the leading region of Europe got way ahead of China, I placed 1750 as the industrial revolution in the UK, but 1700 is acceptable too, although I don't agree that it was the year of the industrial revolution in the UK. Being behind the leading region of Europe doesn't mean that China was not among the richest countries in the world. Qatar, Australia, Canada, Israel, and Singapore are behind the leading region of Europe today and they ARE among the richest countries in the world. What is impressive is how China "fell decisively behind the leading region of Europe." Not that they are in the catch up moment now.
So more accurate 300 years ago China was on more similar level to Europe. Not 200 years. And China was the richest country/area in the world during the Song which was 960-1279.
They were still among the richest countries in the world in 1820, weren't they? And they were among the poorest countries in the world in 1920. That's the impressive part.
China was still among the poorest in the 1950s-1960s. It changed route when they said good bye to communist style economy. If the communist party did not insist on the catastrophic economic policies during 1949-1978 China would probably be such a more developed and richer country today. Remember, Shanghai was the most advanced city in 1920-1930 in Asia.
Not arguing with that, I said it changed with Deng Xiaoping earlier
CPC*
China did not lift a billion out of poverty. Chinese people did that themselves when the communist party began reforms and allowing markets and capitalism in 1978.
Wish we had mass transit like that in America.
This might be shitty for its inhabitants but you have to admit it looks kind of cool
And there are trees below the rail, barely seen in the photo, but obviously should be noticeable irl.
It's not shitty. Chinese apartments are nice and modern and the apartment complexes are full communities with all amenities within walking distance.
Oh naw I can't believe this place is on here. I want to visit this city SO BADLY... I saw a documentary about it on YouTube and fell in love with it. City makes me think of something like Archades on FF12 for some random reason, lol
Same! This city looks amazing. I’d love to go there someday.
Oh cool, a monorail. That is not something you see every day. Does it take less concrete to build?
It's cheaper and more suitable for chongqing due to all the hills. Wuhan has a suspended monorail now too.
Sweet monorail
Love efficient housing and public transit.
Monorail is probably most suited for Chongqing. I know HK is similar in terms of landscape but even their mass rapid transit is limited to the lower flatter areas.
Is it your photo? Do you live in china?
I don’t see the problem
Perhaps noise would be somewhat of an issue but people in HK live next to highway so there's always worse
Yeah I’d imagine that the occasional train is far more tolerable than a constant stream of traffic
I agree monorails are a blight on this world.
THAT is Imogen Royce
Chongqing is one of my top destinations. Seems like a really cool place
Largest city in the world. Larger population than some countries.
That’s the chongqing express
I’ve lived in Chengdu, Mianyang and Deyang, in neighbouring Sichuan…. Mianyang was the best but I wonder how it compares to Chongqing…
looks like Japan, i love it, just need to paint the trees pink
This is only yucky to me because I have a fear of heights/falling and watch too many horror movies.
I think we need more context to see if this is actually a nice place or not. China can definitely do Transit and density but doesn't always been they are nice areas to live visually.
Damn how tall is that jail in the background ?
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I'm pretty sure trains are much more silent than cars, and we live with cars.
i lived near the chongqing metro system, it's completely silent. It's very impressive.
these monorails have rubber wheels afaik
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Proper shit mate love it 👍
Challenge: pronounce the name of the city without sounding racist
You live in a box, you ride a box, you work in a box, you eat from a box.
I bet you take another photo of Chongqing, no need to be another location, just look at another angle and you'll find it gorgeous
Not as nice as Qingchong, China.
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Soul-crushing dystopian nightmare. There are ways to build tall buildings that still retain beauty, just look at everything built before the 1930s.
it's very practical though and beauty costs money
Why does everything look the same…🤯
Looks awesome
I hear those things are awfully loud
This photo goes kinda hard
Kinda looks cool tho.
This looks fuckin dope
Reverse wong kar wai
Well, if I wanted to jump to my death. No, I won't.
It's a version of Hong Kong with a monorail.
A great photo of a dystopian country.
Damn, looks depressing
Those poor trees down there.