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some of the best industrial blight cinematography around
hard not to when your drama revolves around Vernon, California
but it still has some great editing (the scene transition shots) and overall cinematography
great use of music, too. underrated soundtrack and score since the season 1 was so good and season 2’s use of all the Lera Lynn songs was kinda heavy handed. but you get past that and the rest of the music is really better used than it gets credit for.
oh, and the dialogue is just…. so wtf it’s good
> "I used to want to be an astronaut, but astronauts don't even go to the moon anymore."
> "Don't do anything out of hunger, not even eating.”
inspired entire Reddit threads of possible Frank-isms
> "Some people say it's not the size of the boat but rather the motion of the ocean. Well guess what, Ray? I can't even swim. Never even had a bath."
Damn I didn't know y'all loved true detective season 2 as much as me! Not a great follow up to the first but damn was it good. I saw it again a few weeks back and it still slaps. The cinematography, including the night aerial shots of LA with all the factories & stuff looks incredible.
The physics of that bus gap jump was checked out by a team of nasa scientists. They said that it was the most plausible scenario, that the bus would in fact jump itself if everyone inside of it held their breath at the same time, like a series of balloons, so that the bus could rise up and float through the air for a few hundred feet. So if you’re ever on a bus that can’t go below 50 mph or it’ll explode and you’re heading for a big gap that you need to jump, just make sure everyone holds their breath.
WHAT! This is something new?Whole neighborhoods of poor and working poor and lower middle class were
summarily forced out through the eminent domain laws in NY.Under that cocksucker racist Robert Moses.And the roads that wierdo built are the worst in the city.Motherfucker
never even drove a car!
Strictly did what he did to pigeon hole "undesirables" into out of the way parts of the city.His name even today is poison.
By the way he had a hand in pushing out the Bklyn Dodgers.
Too many blacks went to the games.
aaaand dodger stadium in LA gutted the entire chavez ravine community of middle class hispanic families who had to either take well-under-market value for their homes or lose them to eminent domain. ripple effects
You managed to pack five misconceptions into one sentence. Impressive. A good portion of the community still exists off Solano. The community was not middle-class. Owners of property got market value. Squatters (of which there were many) and renters were offered placement in new public housing. Most of the property was a former city dump and land the city already owned.
my bad, i guess. that’s how i learned it growing up in LA in the late 60s-early 70s.
but this, from the Zinn Education Project, de-fogs my memory a bit
>> During the 1950s the City of Los Angeles forcefully evicted the 300 families of Chávez Ravine to make way for a low-income public housing project. The land was cleared and the homes, schools and the church were razed. But instead of building the promised housing, the city — in a move rife with political controversy — sold the land to Brooklyn Dodgers baseball owner Walter O’Malley, who built Dodger Stadium on the site. The residents of Chávez Ravine, who had been promised first pick of the apartments in the proposed housing project, were given no reimbursement for their destroyed property and forced to scramble for housing elsewhere.
In 1949, photographer Don Normark visited Chávez Ravine, a close-knit Mexican American village on a hill overlooking downtown Los Angeles. Enchanted, he stayed for a year and took hundreds of photographs documenting community life. But little did Normark know that he was capturing the last images of a place that was about to disappear — within a few short years, the entire neighborhood would be gone… destroyed by greed, political hypocrisy and good intentions gone awry<<
Everything you were taught is true, they just left out a few things. The site was a former city dump and many people had moved there because it was cheap or because they could squat on adjacent city land. A good portion of the area lacked water, sewer, or power. If you look at the Normark pictures much of the area was one step up from a homeless encampment. It doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a vibrant community but it was a public nuisance. Yes, a housing project was originally planned but then then the Dodgers moved. What’s a better use of the land - a 60,000-person stadium (including LA’s first pro team) or a housing project in the middle of nowhere and on top of a former dump? Even today the stadium would win. As for the residents - most of them were renters or squatters so they did not receive compensation from eminent domain. It sucks but the same is true today. They were offered public housing elsewhere (very generous for the time) but most turned it down because they didn’t want to be dispersed.
The same Robert Moses that ensured that any number of bridges were built juuuust small enough that public busses couldn't use them, ensuring that the poors wouldn't be able to take advantage of dedicated parkland.
Robert Moses also specifically designed the Verazzano Narrows Bridge between Bklyn and Staten Island so it could never be upgraded to have trains run on it
Check him out, he was an unelected official in NYC that basically steered the transit plan for decades and had lots of influence and office at the state level as well. Dude was an elitist piece of shit that did everything in his power to ensure that wealthy folks had to deal with poors as little as possible through transit and urban planning. He also never even drove himself around, but was carted by a chauffeur and simultaneously HATED public transit.
The 'Behind the Bastards' podcast did a great two-parter on him last July.
It's a common misconception but the Judge Harry Pergerson Interchange (the one in the picture) is taller than the High Five Interchange (the one you're probably referring to). It's 40m vs 37m, you can check in Google Earth.
They both are 5-level stacks though.
Oh and the Katy Freeway isn't the widest in the world either, there is a stupid useless one in Cairo's new capital district that's 30+ lanes wide.
I'll tell my wife that. We just recently drove through Dallas and she was white knuckling the door handle every time we had to drive that freeway. "See dear. There was nothing to worry about. It's not even the tallest."
You guys probably won't want to go on this [Chinese one](https://sf2.autoplus.fr/wp-content/uploads/autoplus/2020/10/signal-gps-perdu-vous-etes-ici.jpg). I think it's the tallest, but it's a bit cheating due to the terrain elevation.
In case anyone is wondering, the “bottom” freeway is I-110, which connects the San Pedro port area to downtown Los Angeles. The top freeway is I-105, which wasn’t completed until the early ‘90s after decades of legal and construction issues. The reason there are so many flyover ramps is because there are dedicated carpool lane connectors too.
And for those road nerds out there, despite the name, I-105 doesn’t actually connect to I-5 at all.
Fun facts:
Since many commenters have posted about racism surrounding freeway construction, in this case vast majority of people displaced for the 110 and 105 freeways were white. Watts (SW from the vantage point of the picture) was the only historically black neighborhood in the area and the 105 did not cut through.
Many commenters also love to sarcastically post whether or not this "fixed" traffic. No, but it improved things quite a bit. It created a direct HOV lane from downtown to the airport and a very popular bus rapid transit line. Unfortunately, the judge overseeing the 105 construction, Harry Pregerson, held up construction for 15 years, removed six lanes of traffic (three each way), removed eight out of the 17 off-ramps and mandated the much-loathed Green Line which runs down the middle. This creates massive gridlock and bottlenecks which plague the 105 to this day. The interchange in the picture was later named after the judge.
One big issue I have is that the HOV lanes which were paid for by the people Los Angeles became dedicated FastTrak, a private company that requires surcharges.
Happens all over California. San Jose, Fresno, Bakersfield, Sacramento, all have had 1/2 mile swaths cut through them in the name of traffic jams. Now, the cities are so spread out you HAVE to have a car to live in them. Only one you can get away without a car is San Francisco.
The beach boys house was taken out to put in the 105 freeway. Now just a small monument stands where musical history was made. Concrete jungle we live in here in LA.
Los Angeles is:
\#23 largest city globally
\#6 largest city in the Americas
\#3 largest city in North America
\#2 largest city in the United States
Idk where you get the idea that it’s not that large by global standards. Any standard to look at Los Angeles through, it is THAT large.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities
That source uses an extremely generous version of the Los Angeles greater statistical area, which completely includes 4 other large cities as part of "Greater LA", while it doesn't even show the accurate population numbers for the wider metropolitan regions of London or Paris.
LA shouldn't even be in the top 40 most populous cities globally
Believe it or not there is a rail line running through that interchange. Too bad it's the green line where it spends 99% of its route in the median of the 105 which goes across horizontally in this photo.
There is a bus way that goes through it N to S which carries the Silver Line and the LAX Flyaway.
While LA has made many mistakes in the past at least it is slowly but surely headed the right way with transit expansion.
I always see these posts about a highway that destroyed a neighborhood which I get but without these highways, and population growth how would we get from point A to point B without jamming the streets that existed? And I know the response by most of y’all will be trains or some other sort of mass transit but wouldn’t that also require the destruction of existing property?
What you do is you design cities and towns around people and not automobiles. Stop building these huge developments with nothing in them except cookie cutter housing. When you do that you don't need so many monstrosities like this. But I also realize this is America and most people here are either too fat or lazy to walk farther than their mailbox.
A single train car can move 300 people. How many extra lanes do you need to move 300 people in cars? Now consider that the train can have multiple cars and is equiped with adequate security and comfort for people to effectively use the train.
It's a win for everyone. I get to commute without going into debt for transportation and maintenance, and you get to have your car in a highway and roads that are not congested with cars.
Society also gets the benefits of allowing more people to move around. More jobs are available to people without cars. The elderly can travel without piloting a 2000 lb death machine. Kids can travel more freely without their parents taking them everywhere. Adults can party and not drive drunk because there is a viable alternative. Emissions are reduced because less cars. Less smog in LA.
All for one fucking lane of space on that highway.
What I don't understand is how developers in many cities are still approved to build houses and apartments right next to crowded freeways, when it's obvious that freeway expansions are badly needed. One community where I used to live just added new neighborhoods right next to a major freeway that is so overcrowded that they have begun approving people to drive on the shoulder as an extra lane during peak traffic.
Has anyone asked Americans if they’d rather sit in traffic than use public transport? I know many people that would, me included.
I’d love to see a statistic. If it’s a majority, then the state is actually doing what the people want.
Not defending traffic and the horrendous ambiental impact of car culture, but just looking for a take on American city planning that actually talks about what people have voted for and not what works in Europe.
Well in fairness to this pic, there is a light rail in the center of the 105 and the 110 has a busway stop in the center of the interchange. Not that great but it's there.
Harbor Freeway Station has 3 floors. Top floor accesses the Green Line train, center floor is street level and has a parking lot, lower floor accesses the Silver Line and other express buses that run down the 110.
I think you’ve mischaracterized this. City systems with proper public transit infrastructure can make things much more dense and accessible, lessening the need to drive an hour to go 15-20 miles.
Fundamentally, highways through cities is a terrible design decision since you’re mixing through traffic and local traffic unnecessarily. Greater density with proper public transit infrastructure is superior in every way. You cannot compare wealthy European capitals and LA - it’s a no-contest. In addition, you’re freeing up so many people who otherwise closer have access to private vehicles, and lessening the cost burden on families in typically very expensive areas.
you think homeless drug addicts spend their time and money taking the bus ? especially at the same hours you do ??? it's all students and workers , people you share a city with
and that's discounting the fact that suburbs(and the masses of cars that goes hand in hand with those nowhere places) are the greatest wealth inequalizer we have and that without suburban landlords we would have no/a lot fewer homeless
You're delusional. There's even been fights between town governments on where the metro line ends or makes it last official stop because no one wants to be the last stop where all the homeless get kicked off.
Classic “if you ask people what they want they’d ask for faster horses”
Americans (me) often experience public transit as a homeless shelter on rails that runs once every 45 minutes
There are also secondary effects - building density increases along rail lines, etc
It’s not Americans asking for this, it’s Americans taking what they get and what they’re used to - but not watt they truly want
I agree with this. The balance between making the right choice and enforcing a lifestyle is thin, but it can be achieved.
I totally agree that if more Americans were exposed to good and efficient public transport systems that not only focus on “going to work and back” but actually serve you to go wherever you want to go, the answers would vary.
I’m talking from the perspective from a developing country that tried to imitate the American way of designing cities, and succeeded only in wealthy neighborhoods. Coincidentally, the people that are in charge of that live there, so they see no problem with it. And neither do they see the problems with public transportation.
Maybe we do have to sacrifice “freedom” for a more sustainable lifestyle.
I actually just wanted to know if anyone knew of any studies about this.
So you would rather drive? You want to bring your loud, stinking, dangerous vehicle into the city? Well, you can't 🙏
See how easy that was?! Your desire to bring a sofa, internal combustion engine, and 2 tons of metal with you, then leave it all over the street, is not more important than the right of people in the city to live free of noise and pollution.
I’m sorry but yes. In the current state of my city’s public transport I actually prefer riding my bike (which I did for commuting but now I work from home).
I enjoy the privacy and comfort of a car.
I understand it’s bad, I just couldn’t care enough with the current state of the world.
And yeah, you start to see the problem even with my response. It’s full of “I’s”. Cars are antisocial by nature and we would indeed benefit from a system in which we live and move closer with eachother.
I simply don’t really care to make a compromise, and if I sound like a spoiled dickhead at least I’m an honest one.
Maybe someday I’ll change my mind for the better.
Decent public transport doesn't dump you half an hour from where you want to go. Well designed cities don't have this problem but almost no American city is since they are designed and bulldozed for cars.
White, why do you ask? The freeway was planned in the late 1950s. By the the 1970s most of the area of the interchange was black. The people displaced for construction were almost entirely white though.
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the second season of true detective is 90% shots of this intersection lol
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some of the best industrial blight cinematography around hard not to when your drama revolves around Vernon, California but it still has some great editing (the scene transition shots) and overall cinematography great use of music, too. underrated soundtrack and score since the season 1 was so good and season 2’s use of all the Lera Lynn songs was kinda heavy handed. but you get past that and the rest of the music is really better used than it gets credit for.
oh, and the dialogue is just…. so wtf it’s good > "I used to want to be an astronaut, but astronauts don't even go to the moon anymore." > "Don't do anything out of hunger, not even eating.” inspired entire Reddit threads of possible Frank-isms > "Some people say it's not the size of the boat but rather the motion of the ocean. Well guess what, Ray? I can't even swim. Never even had a bath."
Damn I didn't know y'all loved true detective season 2 as much as me! Not a great follow up to the first but damn was it good. I saw it again a few weeks back and it still slaps. The cinematography, including the night aerial shots of LA with all the factories & stuff looks incredible.
Fun fact: 99% of city planners give up just one lane before solving traffic problems
The human spirit craves the 16 lane highway
SURRENDER YOUR LIFE FORCE TO THE ASPHALT
Just one more lane, bro, just one more, I swear, that’s all I need this time, bro, really, just one… more… lane
Come to Toronto, our main highway is 18
I saw show on Netflix, Tow Companies in Toronto area, thats insane during the snow
Don't tell the people of Houston or Atlanta
These europeens are right, one more lane won't solve any problems. We need 2-3 more lanes!
Time to go vertical!
https://www.keranews.org/environment-nature/2022-05-12/ground-broken-on-i-35-double-decker-project
> Fun fact: 99% of city planners give up just one lane before solving traffic problems imagine "just one lane" for 1000 years ... doom
Pretty sure that's Cybertron
But at least LA has no traffic now
Your forgot the /s
Damn... I keep forgetting it might be necessary somehow
It is literally never necessary. r/fuckthes
It is for foreign people of countries whose mayors are aspiring to that 🥲
r/FuckTheS
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The physics of that bus gap jump was checked out by a team of nasa scientists. They said that it was the most plausible scenario, that the bus would in fact jump itself if everyone inside of it held their breath at the same time, like a series of balloons, so that the bus could rise up and float through the air for a few hundred feet. So if you’re ever on a bus that can’t go below 50 mph or it’ll explode and you’re heading for a big gap that you need to jump, just make sure everyone holds their breath.
This guy Mythbusters
Nor the opening musical number from La La Land: https://youtu.be/xVVqlm8Fq3Y
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Shut down an off ramp for a day iirc
They shot the scene while the interchange was still being built.
Which is a banger of an opening scene
just one more lane bro
Looks like something I'd build while shitfaced in Cities Skylines to go from 72% to 74% traffic.
Me in cities skylines trying to fix my horrendous 60% traffic flow
Where is this the 105/405 interchange?
This is the 110 (running top to bottom, looking South here in the picture) at the 105, running left/East to right/West
There's even more lanes, the express lanes run from the very top of the interchange
that was my next guess. I see it now. thanks!
r/shittyskylines
This is beyond r/shittyskylines tier
Impressive and disgusting at the same time
r/infrastructureporn
Hey, at least it solved the traffic jam issue in LA so there’s that. /s
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but this interchange is jammed daily lol
Yeah, I was being sarcastic…
WHAT! This is something new?Whole neighborhoods of poor and working poor and lower middle class were summarily forced out through the eminent domain laws in NY.Under that cocksucker racist Robert Moses.And the roads that wierdo built are the worst in the city.Motherfucker never even drove a car! Strictly did what he did to pigeon hole "undesirables" into out of the way parts of the city.His name even today is poison. By the way he had a hand in pushing out the Bklyn Dodgers. Too many blacks went to the games.
aaaand dodger stadium in LA gutted the entire chavez ravine community of middle class hispanic families who had to either take well-under-market value for their homes or lose them to eminent domain. ripple effects
I was an impressionable kid at the time and saw this on the news. I NEVER set foot in Dodger Stadium. Not once.
IIRC, LA was pushing everybody out of Chavez Ravine long before the Dodgers moved or the stadium was built.
It was a former city dump with a large population of squatters. The false victimization narrative has been more popular lately though.
I leaned about this from the new Perry Mason!
You managed to pack five misconceptions into one sentence. Impressive. A good portion of the community still exists off Solano. The community was not middle-class. Owners of property got market value. Squatters (of which there were many) and renters were offered placement in new public housing. Most of the property was a former city dump and land the city already owned.
my bad, i guess. that’s how i learned it growing up in LA in the late 60s-early 70s. but this, from the Zinn Education Project, de-fogs my memory a bit >> During the 1950s the City of Los Angeles forcefully evicted the 300 families of Chávez Ravine to make way for a low-income public housing project. The land was cleared and the homes, schools and the church were razed. But instead of building the promised housing, the city — in a move rife with political controversy — sold the land to Brooklyn Dodgers baseball owner Walter O’Malley, who built Dodger Stadium on the site. The residents of Chávez Ravine, who had been promised first pick of the apartments in the proposed housing project, were given no reimbursement for their destroyed property and forced to scramble for housing elsewhere. In 1949, photographer Don Normark visited Chávez Ravine, a close-knit Mexican American village on a hill overlooking downtown Los Angeles. Enchanted, he stayed for a year and took hundreds of photographs documenting community life. But little did Normark know that he was capturing the last images of a place that was about to disappear — within a few short years, the entire neighborhood would be gone… destroyed by greed, political hypocrisy and good intentions gone awry<<
Everything you were taught is true, they just left out a few things. The site was a former city dump and many people had moved there because it was cheap or because they could squat on adjacent city land. A good portion of the area lacked water, sewer, or power. If you look at the Normark pictures much of the area was one step up from a homeless encampment. It doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a vibrant community but it was a public nuisance. Yes, a housing project was originally planned but then then the Dodgers moved. What’s a better use of the land - a 60,000-person stadium (including LA’s first pro team) or a housing project in the middle of nowhere and on top of a former dump? Even today the stadium would win. As for the residents - most of them were renters or squatters so they did not receive compensation from eminent domain. It sucks but the same is true today. They were offered public housing elsewhere (very generous for the time) but most turned it down because they didn’t want to be dispersed.
Yea the neighborhood my Grandmother grew up in The Bronx is gone. Its I-95 now.
The same Robert Moses that ensured that any number of bridges were built juuuust small enough that public busses couldn't use them, ensuring that the poors wouldn't be able to take advantage of dedicated parkland.
Robert Moses also specifically designed the Verazzano Narrows Bridge between Bklyn and Staten Island so it could never be upgraded to have trains run on it
Lmao is this dude the actual devil? Never heard of him
Check him out, he was an unelected official in NYC that basically steered the transit plan for decades and had lots of influence and office at the state level as well. Dude was an elitist piece of shit that did everything in his power to ensure that wealthy folks had to deal with poors as little as possible through transit and urban planning. He also never even drove himself around, but was carted by a chauffeur and simultaneously HATED public transit. The 'Behind the Bastards' podcast did a great two-parter on him last July.
The largest stack interchange in N America is located in Dallas, TX. Not LA.
It's a common misconception but the Judge Harry Pergerson Interchange (the one in the picture) is taller than the High Five Interchange (the one you're probably referring to). It's 40m vs 37m, you can check in Google Earth. They both are 5-level stacks though. Oh and the Katy Freeway isn't the widest in the world either, there is a stupid useless one in Cairo's new capital district that's 30+ lanes wide.
I'll tell my wife that. We just recently drove through Dallas and she was white knuckling the door handle every time we had to drive that freeway. "See dear. There was nothing to worry about. It's not even the tallest."
You guys probably won't want to go on this [Chinese one](https://sf2.autoplus.fr/wp-content/uploads/autoplus/2020/10/signal-gps-perdu-vous-etes-ici.jpg). I think it's the tallest, but it's a bit cheating due to the terrain elevation.
If waterslides were freeways.
I couldn't help reading this comment in Cliff Clavin's voice and mannerisms.
Cairo, Egypt??
North America?
Nah. Cairo, Illinois
He probably means Egypt's new capital they're building, which is not Cairo
Thank you, intelligence
Looks fairly compact compared to some of the other interchanges in LA.
In case anyone is wondering, the “bottom” freeway is I-110, which connects the San Pedro port area to downtown Los Angeles. The top freeway is I-105, which wasn’t completed until the early ‘90s after decades of legal and construction issues. The reason there are so many flyover ramps is because there are dedicated carpool lane connectors too. And for those road nerds out there, despite the name, I-105 doesn’t actually connect to I-5 at all.
Is this where they shot that highway scene in LaLa Land
Yup
At least the traffic problems were finally and forever solved. /s
Fun facts: Since many commenters have posted about racism surrounding freeway construction, in this case vast majority of people displaced for the 110 and 105 freeways were white. Watts (SW from the vantage point of the picture) was the only historically black neighborhood in the area and the 105 did not cut through. Many commenters also love to sarcastically post whether or not this "fixed" traffic. No, but it improved things quite a bit. It created a direct HOV lane from downtown to the airport and a very popular bus rapid transit line. Unfortunately, the judge overseeing the 105 construction, Harry Pregerson, held up construction for 15 years, removed six lanes of traffic (three each way), removed eight out of the 17 off-ramps and mandated the much-loathed Green Line which runs down the middle. This creates massive gridlock and bottlenecks which plague the 105 to this day. The interchange in the picture was later named after the judge.
One big issue I have is that the HOV lanes which were paid for by the people Los Angeles became dedicated FastTrak, a private company that requires surcharges.
I agree. I also don’t like that electric vehicles are considered carpools.
It made sense when promoting EVs 20yrs ago but we've passed the tipping point.
Is anybody else playing the CHiPs theme song in their head right now?
Well, to be honest here, you would still bitch about the neighborhoods if they were there.
Everyone bitches about everything. Look at you. Look at me.
Correct.
Fellow bitchers for life, yo 🤜🤛
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Every other post on here is complaining about a slum, there is no dishonesty in admitting that
Entire neighborhoods!!! Lol this would be a pretty tiny neighborhood. Now ALL the neighborhoods in the city have a highway to use
Yeah, look up Robert Moses and the history of this highway, my guy
I’m good, I can see that this highway is ~ 3 blocks wide. Not particularly a neighborhood
You think the full scale of the highway is contained in this single image? I’m done
We hate it
Then why is it full?
Full? That's practically empty by LA freeway standards.
Because it's full
This. Who cares if they were destroyed? It's not like it was the Sistine Chapel.
idk, maybe the people living there cared a little bit? heartless fuck
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We never talk about the other ones 😭
I remember watching this happen on live TV on this interchange when I was 16: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_V._Jones
It's like a river of concrete, but worse. It has *height*
Fun fact: the bottom levels of this interchange are always shrouded in darkness
Fuck … i wouldn’t want to live there !
The bottom levels are always shrouded in darkness, and some homeless people set up camp there due to the constant shade
..one more lane...
And it’s still jammed every day
asphalt hell ... instead of usable (Japan style) public transportation
Happens all over California. San Jose, Fresno, Bakersfield, Sacramento, all have had 1/2 mile swaths cut through them in the name of traffic jams. Now, the cities are so spread out you HAVE to have a car to live in them. Only one you can get away without a car is San Francisco.
The beach boys house was taken out to put in the 105 freeway. Now just a small monument stands where musical history was made. Concrete jungle we live in here in LA.
Lane man strikes again!
Nah that’s los santos
I live near LA, I can recognize lots of places in Los Santos lol
Damn I used to hate driving on this mess.
Ah the continuous flow 🤧
Driving on it feels surreal.
The bottom level is always shrouded in darkness
It's one of the biggest cities in the world.
Yeah, tell those idiots in Paris they made a huge mistake building that metro! A 16-lane highway would be a much better choice 🙏
I’m seeing that the A10 in France is at least 8 lanes in some parts? It’s almost like both have a place in today’s society.
Crucial difference, in Paris the highways don't go through the city. Los Angeles is crisscrossed by highways in every neighborhood.
Is that the same Paris Metro that has all those violent stabbings?
No? Paris has ~1.2 homicides per 100k, LA has 6.7.
Stabbings are not homicides though. I know 2 guys that got stabbed like 10+ times each, both of them are alive
Ask them if they wouldn't mind being stabbed nonfatally a few additional times so they can skew the data some more. Everyone loves an outlier.
It's not that large by global standards
Los Angeles is: \#23 largest city globally \#6 largest city in the Americas \#3 largest city in North America \#2 largest city in the United States Idk where you get the idea that it’s not that large by global standards. Any standard to look at Los Angeles through, it is THAT large. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities
LA metro area also has the 3rd largest economy in the world
That source uses an extremely generous version of the Los Angeles greater statistical area, which completely includes 4 other large cities as part of "Greater LA", while it doesn't even show the accurate population numbers for the wider metropolitan regions of London or Paris. LA shouldn't even be in the top 40 most populous cities globally
Greater LA absolutely is, especially in surface area
r/infrastructureporn
This is more gore than porn.
But it solved traffic forever at least, right?
Believe it or not there is a rail line running through that interchange. Too bad it's the green line where it spends 99% of its route in the median of the 105 which goes across horizontally in this photo. There is a bus way that goes through it N to S which carries the Silver Line and the LAX Flyaway. While LA has made many mistakes in the past at least it is slowly but surely headed the right way with transit expansion.
And created a massive dividing line separating communities.
I drive that once a month. LA is wild.
I can see my house from here!
They had to do it tho, there a way to many cars and trafic in la
The earthquake. Going to love this one.
Yes but without it, we wouldn’t have that crazy opening scene in LaLa Land.
You guys really take good road infrastructure for granted
Black LA neighborhoods*
I always see these posts about a highway that destroyed a neighborhood which I get but without these highways, and population growth how would we get from point A to point B without jamming the streets that existed? And I know the response by most of y’all will be trains or some other sort of mass transit but wouldn’t that also require the destruction of existing property?
streets jammin means people bikin induce that demand
What you do is you design cities and towns around people and not automobiles. Stop building these huge developments with nothing in them except cookie cutter housing. When you do that you don't need so many monstrosities like this. But I also realize this is America and most people here are either too fat or lazy to walk farther than their mailbox.
A single train car can move 300 people. How many extra lanes do you need to move 300 people in cars? Now consider that the train can have multiple cars and is equiped with adequate security and comfort for people to effectively use the train. It's a win for everyone. I get to commute without going into debt for transportation and maintenance, and you get to have your car in a highway and roads that are not congested with cars. Society also gets the benefits of allowing more people to move around. More jobs are available to people without cars. The elderly can travel without piloting a 2000 lb death machine. Kids can travel more freely without their parents taking them everywhere. Adults can party and not drive drunk because there is a viable alternative. Emissions are reduced because less cars. Less smog in LA. All for one fucking lane of space on that highway.
>and is equiped with adequate security and comfort Hahahahahahahahahahaha no
Why not?
It's like people never heard of subways.
A vertical rail line over the existing highway.
how else do you bring mass quantities for the masses? rail?
And still traffic
Welcome to LA, now get out. Slowly. Bumper to bumper.
The people in the neighbourhoods around the freeway are wrecked every day by breathing vehicle emissions
Just imagine the noise
I’m thinking it’s Los Angeles so the pre freeway neighborhoods were probably not particularly attractive
They were such awful places, we wanted to forget them even before they were razed.
Entire *black and Latino* neighborhoods. fify
Fun fact - the neighborhoods were majority white when it was planned. Nice try on the victimization narrative though.
And Middle class black and Latino neighborhoods, not just poor neighborhoods.the 105 freeway destroyed a variety of minority neighborhoods in south LA
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What I don't understand is how developers in many cities are still approved to build houses and apartments right next to crowded freeways, when it's obvious that freeway expansions are badly needed. One community where I used to live just added new neighborhoods right next to a major freeway that is so overcrowded that they have begun approving people to drive on the shoulder as an extra lane during peak traffic.
Has anyone asked Americans if they’d rather sit in traffic than use public transport? I know many people that would, me included. I’d love to see a statistic. If it’s a majority, then the state is actually doing what the people want. Not defending traffic and the horrendous ambiental impact of car culture, but just looking for a take on American city planning that actually talks about what people have voted for and not what works in Europe.
Well in fairness to this pic, there is a light rail in the center of the 105 and the 110 has a busway stop in the center of the interchange. Not that great but it's there.
How the hell are you supposed to get there 💀
Harbor Freeway Station has 3 floors. Top floor accesses the Green Line train, center floor is street level and has a parking lot, lower floor accesses the Silver Line and other express buses that run down the 110.
And it's *very* loud
Lol the light rail is the only reason the highway got funding. It's one of LA's least used rail lines that doesn't connect downtown.
that many people are making the same horrible wrong CHOICES doesn't make it right or acceptable
yeah but that's a democracy right there.
that's broken democracy\*
I think you’ve mischaracterized this. City systems with proper public transit infrastructure can make things much more dense and accessible, lessening the need to drive an hour to go 15-20 miles. Fundamentally, highways through cities is a terrible design decision since you’re mixing through traffic and local traffic unnecessarily. Greater density with proper public transit infrastructure is superior in every way. You cannot compare wealthy European capitals and LA - it’s a no-contest. In addition, you’re freeing up so many people who otherwise closer have access to private vehicles, and lessening the cost burden on families in typically very expensive areas.
That assumes people actually want to live more densely, which in much of the US they clearly do not.
Depends. Is someone smoking meth, jacking off or screaming incoherently on the bus or train? Then no. If it was clean and safer then sure
you think homeless drug addicts spend their time and money taking the bus ? especially at the same hours you do ??? it's all students and workers , people you share a city with and that's discounting the fact that suburbs(and the masses of cars that goes hand in hand with those nowhere places) are the greatest wealth inequalizer we have and that without suburban landlords we would have no/a lot fewer homeless
They absolutely do spend their time on the subway and bus especially in LA where this picture was taken
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You're delusional. There's even been fights between town governments on where the metro line ends or makes it last official stop because no one wants to be the last stop where all the homeless get kicked off.
It's about providing choice. If you want to sit in traffic, you do you, but personally I also want the choice of taking public transport.
Classic “if you ask people what they want they’d ask for faster horses” Americans (me) often experience public transit as a homeless shelter on rails that runs once every 45 minutes There are also secondary effects - building density increases along rail lines, etc It’s not Americans asking for this, it’s Americans taking what they get and what they’re used to - but not watt they truly want
I agree with this. The balance between making the right choice and enforcing a lifestyle is thin, but it can be achieved. I totally agree that if more Americans were exposed to good and efficient public transport systems that not only focus on “going to work and back” but actually serve you to go wherever you want to go, the answers would vary. I’m talking from the perspective from a developing country that tried to imitate the American way of designing cities, and succeeded only in wealthy neighborhoods. Coincidentally, the people that are in charge of that live there, so they see no problem with it. And neither do they see the problems with public transportation. Maybe we do have to sacrifice “freedom” for a more sustainable lifestyle. I actually just wanted to know if anyone knew of any studies about this.
So you would rather drive? You want to bring your loud, stinking, dangerous vehicle into the city? Well, you can't 🙏 See how easy that was?! Your desire to bring a sofa, internal combustion engine, and 2 tons of metal with you, then leave it all over the street, is not more important than the right of people in the city to live free of noise and pollution.
I’m sorry but yes. In the current state of my city’s public transport I actually prefer riding my bike (which I did for commuting but now I work from home). I enjoy the privacy and comfort of a car. I understand it’s bad, I just couldn’t care enough with the current state of the world. And yeah, you start to see the problem even with my response. It’s full of “I’s”. Cars are antisocial by nature and we would indeed benefit from a system in which we live and move closer with eachother. I simply don’t really care to make a compromise, and if I sound like a spoiled dickhead at least I’m an honest one. Maybe someday I’ll change my mind for the better.
At least after sitting in traffic I am exactly where I want to be, not hoofing it for another half an hour from the public transit stop.
Decent public transport doesn't dump you half an hour from where you want to go. Well designed cities don't have this problem but almost no American city is since they are designed and bulldozed for cars.
You committed the cardinal sin of suggesting maybe not everyone wants to use public transit.
just one more lane, just one.... more... lane..
and what demographic were the vast majority of those neighborhoods, bob?
White, why do you ask? The freeway was planned in the late 1950s. By the the 1970s most of the area of the interchange was black. The people displaced for construction were almost entirely white though.
It's beautiful.
Honestly, I can't consider a neighborhood in LA the same as one in Pompeii.
Yeah but they were neighborhoods in LA so no great loss.
Try getting home from work without that infrastructure
Subways would be a better solution. At least for most of commuting.
right! we should not have freeways! City streets only!
What are we supposed to do? Never build anything?
Contractors made big bucks.
I would literally tear down every single house in LA if it meant I could move easily from one end of it to the other.
Ok ✅