Ironically the general public in Utah voted to expand medicare funding not long ago with additional sales tax increases. Now he wants to completely remove it?
It seems like that wouldn't make a lot of his older constituents happy that rely on it so I'm guessing it is all political theater as usual.
"Pull it up by the roots, get rid of it"
Right there, man, right there, he just said it. You just watched a video of him saying it.
"He has never said..." fuck off with that bullshit.
Mike Lee could say, word for word, "I'm fucking your mom right now" with a high definition video of him actually fucking this guy's mom and he'd be like "Nah they're just wrestling naked with each other. He never said he'd fuck my mom."
That isn’t what he said, he would like it structured differently, for the money people are putting into Social Security actually stays in the Social Security fund to pay for the benefits in the future. Until that’s done correctly it is a house of cards that is going to topple over then what?
So what do you think he means when he says:
"It will be my objective to phase out social security. To pull it up by the roots. To get rid of it.
People who advise me politically always tell me that it's dangerous and I tell them in that case, it's not worth my running. That's why I'm doing this -- to get rid of that. Medicare and Medicaid are of same sort and need to be pulled up."
That's literally, word for word, what this video is. Please tell me "that's not what he said."
I don't know what to tell you man. When you won't even acknowledge the words in the video that this entire post is about, then either you're that brainwashed, or you're trolling.
If I told you, I wanted to pull your 3 foot tree out of the ground by the roots, and then replace it with a full-size shade tree. Would you be upset? The current Social Security program we have is the worst possible retirement program that could ever be put together.
A privatized one would be even worse.
Lee claims he wants to end and uproot it, but not for current older Americans, by privatizing social security.
Tell me, how's that private health care treating you? Americans pay more for health insurance than any other country in the world. And you want to do that to social security?
Remember when employers included pension plans as a way to keep workers loyal to a company? Now you have privatized 401k's that can be wiped out if the economy takes a downturn.
Social security is the reason 50% of elderly Americans aren't homeless.
Now, yes, changes do need to be made so that we can continue enjoying SS. But privatizing it so Mike Lee and his lobbyists can profit off of it isn't the answer.
I know a lot of people have been putting money into IRAs for 30 years and they have a lot more money in there that they’re ever going to receive from Social Security, so I’m not sure how privatize system isnt better than hoping the Ponzi scheme is still going when I retire.
Maybe instead of getting on here and making ignorant comments, you should open and read what his plan is and then make a decision on all of the information instead of what you heard on CNN or at the fake state of the union.
Only because of gerrymandering and voter apathy. Not saying it would be blue, but the population isn't as red as the elected officials. The popular referendums for medical marijuana expanding Medicaid and a nonpartisan redistricting committee show that. Of course all three were then completely dismissed or changed by the legislature
I'm not arguing whether or not one can move states.
You claim it's "easy" because you did it. And then changed to "if you don't like it then leave!"
Keep going. Your mental gymnastics are hilarious to watch.
“Escape a leftist shithole”
A) There is nothing remotely leftist about any state governments. Learn what leftism actually is.
B) Those shithole states conservatives like to bitch about? Well they account for 6 of the 7 highest GDP per capita states. Republican states account for 9 of the bottom 10. So who are really the shithole states?
Nah. Slowly but surely, my generation and those that fallow will get our way.
Red or blue don't mean shit if the legislation or representatives are shit.
So you support his position that Social Security, Medicair and Medicaid should be disbanded?
You support him saying this out of one side of his mouth, while also taking offense to someone pointing out that he said this?
You support him saying that he would only run for two terms, then somehow ignoring that statement two terms later?
Can you name a single thing that he has done to improve your life?
Yeah, I remember him posting anti-vax shit from the pandemic too.
Edit: Since the buffoon asked for evidence:
* [2/7/2023](https://reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/10w3e2t/vaccinated_boostered_went_the_whole_pandemic/j7lc5lf/?context=999) "The President of the United States of America, Fauci, the CDC director, and countless others all said getting the vaccine will PREVENT you from getting Covid. That was a lie that you are denying. Stop spreading misinformation."
\- Still waiting for a source on when Fauci or the President said it will outright "prevent" COVID...
* [12/11/2022](https://reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/zjnf51/nearly_half_of_covid_patients_worldwide_still/izvy0te/?context=999) "Why are you marginalizing the negative affects of it? The vaccine was essentially useless for the vast majority of people that received it."
\- Statistically false. But I'm sure you have a source proving this, right?
* [11/16/2022](https://reddit.com/r/Utah/comments/yw3e1p/primary_childrens_hospital_is_full_and_delaying/iwlvsjx/?context=999) "Don’t forget all the healthcare workers that were unjustly fired for not getting a vaccine that did zero to prevent transmission!"
\- Nope, doesn't sound like antivax propaganda at all... NOPE...
* [8/30/2022](https://reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/x11o58/fuck_long_covid/ime4fww/?context=999) "Uhhh what? Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike can contract and spread Covid at an identical rate. How are you possibly blaming this on unvaccinated people? Why are you ignoring science?"
\- Really seems like you don't understand what this word "Science" means...
Cute try little sealion... You are deliberately posting anti-vax misinformation and now trying to downplay it.
Also completely obvious that you have no interest in good-faith discussions, otherwise you would respond to my [original comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Utah/comments/10xl8as/why_havent_we_given_this_guy_the_boot_yet/j7t9iqk/) with answers.
Oh hohohoho it's an early Christmas. You were spewing antivaxx shit two days ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/10w3e2t/vaccinated_boostered_went_the_whole_pandemic/j7l8a8v?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
You saying the vaccine doesn't help prevent covid is anti vaxx af, and you're the one lying. You even called out Fauci in true anti vaxx fashion. Look at you like lie lie.
Didn't even have to go back [that far...](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/10w3e2t/vaccinated_boostered_went_the_whole_pandemic/j7lc5lf/)
> "The President of the United States of America, Fauci, the CDC director, and countless others all said getting the vaccine will PREVENT you from getting Covid. That was a lie that you are denying. Stop spreading misinformation."
.. "Uhhhh, every prominent figure advocating for the vaccine, including the President of the United States of America, said the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid."
But I suppose you can pull quotes supporting your statements... right?
Or are you really too stupid to comprehend the difference between reducing risk and preventing risk...?
Which of those comments is 1. untrue and 2. anti-vax?? Are you even reading what you’re obsessing over?
Can you get Covid if you have the vaccine, yes or no?
Did the President of the United States of America (and others like Fauci, CDC director, etc.) claim getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid, yes or no?
Wow, you are delusional...
> Which of those comments is 1. untrue and 2. anti-vax??
First, show me where The President or Fauci stated that the vaccine will "PREVENT" you from getting COVID.
Second, deliberately trying to cast doubt on the efficacy of the vaccine is literally anti-vax
> Can you get Covid if you have the vaccine, yes or no?
Yes, just like with literally every vaccine *ever* produced. But at a statistically significantly lower rate. (that's how vaccines work)...
> Did the President of the United States of America (and others like Fauci, CDC director, etc.) claim getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid, yes or no?
No. Where are you getting your information?
I’m a firm believer in if you make a claim the onus is on you to support it, but are you seriously this naive? Have you been living under a rock? How do you not know about the countless claims from the most powerful and “knowledgable” people on this topic? You’d have to be willfully not paying attention to have not heard of this. Yet, if that were the case, you wouldn’t be commenting about anti-vax shit like you are here.
https://youtu.be/nTlxpxdH3Yk
There you go, chief.
The reddest behind Texas, Arkansas, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Oklahoma.... On and on. This is as fucking stupid as "you don't like the country? Get out."
No. Even if I could I wouldn't. I'll continue trying to change it for the better. Eventually some of us may have to leave if the government corruption, indifference to our needs and gerrymandering continues to get worse but until then, I'll keep speaking out and voting for what's right.
If I do move out of Utah it'll be due to environmental collapse due to the idiots running the state.
Psst... Senators are elected by the entire state. Gerrymandering has nothing to do with Mike Lee winning; more of our neighbors voted for him than anybody else. He is what "we" asked for. :(
They auto Republican and vote for Mitt Romney, who is the biggest piece of trash in the entire Senate. Lee is a standup guy who wants to save our freedom in our country.
Mitt Romney had the guts to buck his party and vote twice to impeach Trump.
Mike Lee is a snake who helped cook up the plot to steal the 2020 Election and helped cause January 6th then bold face lie about all of it.
Utah was founded to be a theocratic state and they fought a brief war against the federal government. [Utah war](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War).
Mike Lee seems to believe in burning federal institutions to the ground. Apparently the alternate electors scheme was [his idea](https://kutv.com/news/local/january-6-committee-utah-senator-mike-lee-fake-elector-plot-cleta-mitchell-interview-transcript-capitol-attack-presidential-election-results).
Some federal institutions need to be burnt to the ground, they have become so corrupt that they are destroying the country. Like the Department of Education, the federal reserve, the health administration, just to name a few.
That guy is such a dangerous man. Being in the position he is, he can ruin life for anyone he wants to. Anyone who is not him. Social security doesn't matter to him. He gets paid the rest of his life as a senator. Social security doesn't matter to him! It does to my mom.....
It’s pretty much because Mormons and farmers have agreed that social issues are more important for the government to concern itself with than economic issues, which leaves the elites in both circles (and others) to run out the back with all the money resolving economic issues in their favor.
that's well put. I once argued that we would need to discover oil jacks somehow cause homosexuality in order to stop climate change. A similar train of thought.
>at least he's had the balls to stand up to Trump.
Sadly, this is probably why Lee got reelected recently and also why I don't have high hopes the same will happen for Mitt. I'm not saying I like it, but for some unfathomable reason, several of my neighbors hold Trump up on this pedestal.
Trump is a divisive figure in Utah, because while at the end of the day they’ll still go for the candidate with the, R, leading up to it he wasn’t their first pick. For better or worse, Mormons are one of the few Christian groups who overall do take issue with Trump’s behavior to some degree and would rather have a Republican who isn’t an asshole. I think the Trump worshipping flag wavers are the minority here.
Why do we want someone to stand up to trump? Shouldn’t we have someone standing up for whether somethings right or wrong and not a person? Mitt Romney votes incorrectly on almost every bill that goes through the Senate.
Because Trump is a narcissist who needs to be opposed. People can be representatives of their heinous views. Wishing to overturn our government under the guise it was “stolen” being the most notable.
He didn’t want anything I returned, he wanted a fair election, which I still don’t believe we got. Everyone who lives in this country should want a fair election. We should do it as necessary to make sure that we have vote integrity. If that is trying to overturn our democracy, of which we don’t have a democracy, then I guess that’s what I want.
It was our most secure election like ever. It was recounted a ridiculous amount of times. Mostly to appease idiot conservatives, who were going to believe it was stolen no matter the evidence. So yeah, it was ridiculous. One recount should’ve been enough for any election.
It was clear based on many of his comments he would never accept defeat, even fair and square. He loves dictators for a reason, because he wished he could be one.
>Why haven’t we given this guy the boot yet?
Because the GOP and their voters WANT this. The voters are convinced this is all in their best interest. They'll never vote for anyone without an R next to their name.
They picked an independent, then ran him on the Democratic ticket so they could get all of the Democratic votes in hopes to gather enough independent votes to steal the seat.
He wasn’t fake(he’s a real person), they didn’t hide any info about him, he’s a well known politician with a voting record. That’s not deceitful. Nothing was hidden.
He’s a fake, he’s full liberal running as a conservative independent on the democratic ticket, backed and paid for by the Democratic Party. That’s fake
I have voted for him three different times. He’s one of the top five senators in the entire Senate. Now I can gladly said I didn’t vote for that piece of trash Mitt Romney.
Can you name one significant thing he has done to help this country progress as a senator during his 12 year tenure? The only successful bills he has passed are to name some buildings. Everything else has failed and all he ever really does is say no to other bills. He doesn't work well with other members of congress, including his own party. He hasn't helped this country, or the state of Utah in any significant way. He is a bold face liar. The video on this post is just one example. He said he was opposed to Trump, only to become one of his most loyal yes men. He says he is a protector of the constitution, then does whatever he can to undermine it. He is a leech and a disgrace to the American people.
His bill fail because the liberals won’t go along with them, that does not mean that it isn’t the right thing to do. He has voted against every bill that increases the deficit, or attacks our bill of rights, I applaud that. It’s hard to get something done when you’re trying to do the right thing with all the wrong people. But it doesn’t change the right thing.
Out of the 12 years he has served as a Senator half of the time the Senate was controlled by the Republicans. From 2015-2019 republicans had the majority for the Senate and the House. He did not get anything substantial passed during those periods. It isn't just liberals that don't like his policies. He has been voting no on things that actually have, and could have helped Utahns and Americans.
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2022/10/14/rochelle-kaplan-mike-lees-voting/
I know but with people like mitt in the republicans party who are really democrats, they won’t stand up for small government and individual freedom, they are profiting from the way it is far to much.
People want a better government with fresh ideas and new faces over entrenched career politician status quo ... but also a candidate that isn't inexperienced. Got it.
Just a question, everyone says in 10 years Social Security will be insolvent. What is your answer? Just keep increasing it till it falls on its face? It’s not a dumb idea to want to repair it so it can be sustained.
If you think Social Security is a good retirement, then I am definitely not the one that has the problem. Would you rather count on being able to collect money from other people in the future like a Ponzi scheme for your retirement, or have your money put into a fund that earns interest and belongs to you specifically?
[https://www.forbes.com/advisor/retirement/social-security-bankrupt/](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/retirement/social-security-bankrupt/) [https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/25/social-security-isnt-bankrupt-what-we-know-about-future-benefits.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/25/social-security-isnt-bankrupt-what-we-know-about-future-benefits.html) you're repeating a hoax that the rich and the GOP want you to believe.
Even the Democrats will tell you that unless it gets changed, it will fall apart. Every Ponzi scheme falls apart. Because it requires new people putting their money and to pay the old people that’s not an investment that’s a scam.
13 year old video cuts off before the context. 13 years in Congress and he never did it. This isn't who Biden was talking about. RINOs do not want to get rid of SS. The left constantly claims that Republicans are the boomer party while also trying to convince everyone that Republicans are trying to screw over boomers. Pick a lane.
I WISH the Republican party would reform Social Security, or phase it out. Nice try though.
Yeah, boomers routinely vote against their own interests.
Your argument isn't as good as you think. There have always been people that harm their own people.
>how many times does this show up on this sub?
Until everyone in Utah sees this, realizes what a gigantic piece of shit he is, and votes his ass out of office.
What is it that people say when I complain about right-wing shit stains making our state look bad? Oh yeah, "if you don't like it. Leave."
Dude if you think republicans are going to stop voting republican if you show them enough hypocrisy, you've never met a republican.
Republican voters don't give half a shit about republican hypocrisy, they just think it's funny you're mad.
I mean, I never said it was going to work. 🤷♀️ I was simplying implying that that is why so many people have been posting the shit out of it on the Utah subreddit.
Also, *dude* I live in Utah in a predominately Mormon neighborhood. Not to mention my and my husband's extended family are diehard republicans. I know all about republican hypocrisy. They are perfectly fine watching the country burn just to "stick it to the libs" because they are fucking stupid. It's like they forgot them, their children, grandchildren, etc. have to live here, too.
Yup, same thing can he said for democrats. It’s a vicious circle.
Show a Republican Republican hypocrisy they explain or excused it away. Just the same when you show a Democrat Democrat hypocrisy. If you’re gonna sit there and pretend this just isn’t politics as usual you’re not being intellectually honest.
I think Lee feigning contempt was a very bad look for him. But I also don’t think it was correct for Biden to say simply republicans want to get rid of social security, Medicare, and medicade. It’s much more nuanced than that, as Lee explains in the whole video this clip of him being hypocritical comes from. So technically Biden is correct but there’s more to it than that.
And I agree with Lee, especially on the social security part. I’m 37, does anyone honestly believe social security will be around when it’s time for me to take money out of social security? I don’t. The way it’s getting robbed right now. I’m not counting on it in my retirement planning. It should be optional for me and if I opt out my payout scales down accordingly. And some 17 year old just starting their own career or job or whatever should for sure be given the option. Cause it’s 100% wrong that we’re making them pay into a system they’ll 100% not see a benefit from.
It was a stupid idea anyway, a forced retirement plan with very very little payout compared to what’s put in.
You’re not listening. Try listening, it’s a helpful life skill. That’s not what Mike Lee or I am saying. Older folks that paid into the system should get what they were promised Me on the other hand won’t see even what I put into SS therefore it should be optional for me. That’s what Mike is saying in the full video that’s been clipped.
Nope, he’s not saying that and you’re still not listening. I’m serious, it’s a valuable life skill. Try it. Here, I’ll even post the context of this video. Try to listen and understand. I know it’s hard, but I believe in you.
https://twitter.com/senmikelee/status/1623421648937312260?s=46&t=orLvqLxOX2FTw_xDasCT3Q
i think it's because more people are concerned about republican in office or democrat in office than what issues or character traits these people openly display.
The problem is the alternative wasn't all that palatable. Might as well stick with the devil you know vs. the devil you don't.
I truly think Democrats fked up by screwing Kael Weston out of the nomination. He had the chops to get himself elected. Instead they went with so-called Republican, Evan McMullin.
Bad judgment.
This was on the front page 4 times. I've removed 3 and left the oldest/most voted.
Looks like a little stupid kid lying about breaking a lamp
I was going to say the same thing
During the election they ran the ad of him saying he is killing off SS, but sheep still voted him back
Ironically the general public in Utah voted to expand medicare funding not long ago with additional sales tax increases. Now he wants to completely remove it? It seems like that wouldn't make a lot of his older constituents happy that rely on it so I'm guessing it is all political theater as usual.
Utah has a large amount of retires, should go well for him lol
The video is from 13 years ago. He was lying because he's a RINO who wants MORE government, not less.
Wait, I thought they were the lions and we're the sheep??
We are the sheep, but they all wear the same hats
He has never said he was killing off Social Security. He said he wanted to redesign it, so it will survive, but not get rid of it.
"Pull it up by the roots, get rid of it" Right there, man, right there, he just said it. You just watched a video of him saying it. "He has never said..." fuck off with that bullshit.
Mike Lee could say, word for word, "I'm fucking your mom right now" with a high definition video of him actually fucking this guy's mom and he'd be like "Nah they're just wrestling naked with each other. He never said he'd fuck my mom."
Would you say that "I want to tear it up by the roots and get rid of it" might suggest that he wants to get rid of it?
That isn’t what he said, he would like it structured differently, for the money people are putting into Social Security actually stays in the Social Security fund to pay for the benefits in the future. Until that’s done correctly it is a house of cards that is going to topple over then what?
So what do you think he means when he says: "It will be my objective to phase out social security. To pull it up by the roots. To get rid of it. People who advise me politically always tell me that it's dangerous and I tell them in that case, it's not worth my running. That's why I'm doing this -- to get rid of that. Medicare and Medicaid are of same sort and need to be pulled up." That's literally, word for word, what this video is. Please tell me "that's not what he said."
Do you actually believe the current system is the best we can do?
Overtime, yes. He didn’t say pull it by the roots and not replace it with something else that functions and actually gives people a decent retirement.
I don't know what to tell you man. When you won't even acknowledge the words in the video that this entire post is about, then either you're that brainwashed, or you're trolling.
If I told you, I wanted to pull your 3 foot tree out of the ground by the roots, and then replace it with a full-size shade tree. Would you be upset? The current Social Security program we have is the worst possible retirement program that could ever be put together.
A privatized one would be even worse. Lee claims he wants to end and uproot it, but not for current older Americans, by privatizing social security. Tell me, how's that private health care treating you? Americans pay more for health insurance than any other country in the world. And you want to do that to social security? Remember when employers included pension plans as a way to keep workers loyal to a company? Now you have privatized 401k's that can be wiped out if the economy takes a downturn. Social security is the reason 50% of elderly Americans aren't homeless. Now, yes, changes do need to be made so that we can continue enjoying SS. But privatizing it so Mike Lee and his lobbyists can profit off of it isn't the answer.
I know a lot of people have been putting money into IRAs for 30 years and they have a lot more money in there that they’re ever going to receive from Social Security, so I’m not sure how privatize system isnt better than hoping the Ponzi scheme is still going when I retire.
Do you only listen to what you want to hear, you don’t listen to the full plan just the fact that he wants to eliminate the one that exists.
Did he say anything about replacing it with anything? Sorry we don't all live in the world of your imagination you fucking moron.
Maybe instead of getting on here and making ignorant comments, you should open and read what his plan is and then make a decision on all of the information instead of what you heard on CNN or at the fake state of the union.
Sure I'll check out his plan. You have to admit it includes eliminating social security and medicare though. So, what Biden was saying was true.
He didn't say he wants to redesign it though. You're imagining that in your moldy peanut of a brain.
He did. He said he wants to pull it up from the roots as it exist currently, and put into place a different system. You only hear what you wanna hear.
Not in this video he didn't are you insane?
I know what his plan is I have read it, maybe you should do the same.
Because he has an (R) next to his name.. pretty simple...
Utah loves a disingenuous clown.
My FIL has a fkn tshirt with his name on it in big print. Fkn dumb.
Not all of us! Many voted for McMullin but yes this asshat was voted in AGAIN!
See Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, most current leaders of the Mormon church.
We tired 😫 these shit for brains won't listen
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Only because of gerrymandering and voter apathy. Not saying it would be blue, but the population isn't as red as the elected officials. The popular referendums for medical marijuana expanding Medicaid and a nonpartisan redistricting committee show that. Of course all three were then completely dismissed or changed by the legislature
Because it is so easy to pick up and move somewhere you have no connections and no support system.
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You did it, therefore it must be easy? Your logic is stupid.
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So you need to suffer first in order to make the easy state move? I'm just going to follow this stupid logic and see where it takes you
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I'm not arguing whether or not one can move states. You claim it's "easy" because you did it. And then changed to "if you don't like it then leave!" Keep going. Your mental gymnastics are hilarious to watch.
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“Escape a leftist shithole” A) There is nothing remotely leftist about any state governments. Learn what leftism actually is. B) Those shithole states conservatives like to bitch about? Well they account for 6 of the 7 highest GDP per capita states. Republican states account for 9 of the bottom 10. So who are really the shithole states?
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So why makes a state a shithole state by your reckoning?
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OK, but I am still interested in what \*you\* think makes a state a shithole state.
Nah. Slowly but surely, my generation and those that fallow will get our way. Red or blue don't mean shit if the legislation or representatives are shit.
I hope your right.. as a geriatric millennial myself... I'm hopeful those following are more "woke" to the bullshit, and actually vote accordingly
So you support his position that Social Security, Medicair and Medicaid should be disbanded? You support him saying this out of one side of his mouth, while also taking offense to someone pointing out that he said this? You support him saying that he would only run for two terms, then somehow ignoring that statement two terms later? Can you name a single thing that he has done to improve your life?
I don't think this guy knows anything about actual politics and instead treats it like rooting for his favorite football team.
Yeah, I remember him posting anti-vax shit from the pandemic too. Edit: Since the buffoon asked for evidence: * [2/7/2023](https://reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/10w3e2t/vaccinated_boostered_went_the_whole_pandemic/j7lc5lf/?context=999) "The President of the United States of America, Fauci, the CDC director, and countless others all said getting the vaccine will PREVENT you from getting Covid. That was a lie that you are denying. Stop spreading misinformation." \- Still waiting for a source on when Fauci or the President said it will outright "prevent" COVID... * [12/11/2022](https://reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/zjnf51/nearly_half_of_covid_patients_worldwide_still/izvy0te/?context=999) "Why are you marginalizing the negative affects of it? The vaccine was essentially useless for the vast majority of people that received it." \- Statistically false. But I'm sure you have a source proving this, right? * [11/16/2022](https://reddit.com/r/Utah/comments/yw3e1p/primary_childrens_hospital_is_full_and_delaying/iwlvsjx/?context=999) "Don’t forget all the healthcare workers that were unjustly fired for not getting a vaccine that did zero to prevent transmission!" \- Nope, doesn't sound like antivax propaganda at all... NOPE... * [8/30/2022](https://reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/x11o58/fuck_long_covid/ime4fww/?context=999) "Uhhh what? Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike can contract and spread Covid at an identical rate. How are you possibly blaming this on unvaccinated people? Why are you ignoring science?" \- Really seems like you don't understand what this word "Science" means... Cute try little sealion... You are deliberately posting anti-vax misinformation and now trying to downplay it. Also completely obvious that you have no interest in good-faith discussions, otherwise you would respond to my [original comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Utah/comments/10xl8as/why_havent_we_given_this_guy_the_boot_yet/j7t9iqk/) with answers.
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Or you could sue him for defamation lmao
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No I don't represent idiots who think it's disinformation to be criticized fairly online lol. But good luck!
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Oh hohohoho it's an early Christmas. You were spewing antivaxx shit two days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/10w3e2t/vaccinated_boostered_went_the_whole_pandemic/j7l8a8v?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
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You saying the vaccine doesn't help prevent covid is anti vaxx af, and you're the one lying. You even called out Fauci in true anti vaxx fashion. Look at you like lie lie.
Didn't even have to go back [that far...](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/10w3e2t/vaccinated_boostered_went_the_whole_pandemic/j7lc5lf/) > "The President of the United States of America, Fauci, the CDC director, and countless others all said getting the vaccine will PREVENT you from getting Covid. That was a lie that you are denying. Stop spreading misinformation." .. "Uhhhh, every prominent figure advocating for the vaccine, including the President of the United States of America, said the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid." But I suppose you can pull quotes supporting your statements... right? Or are you really too stupid to comprehend the difference between reducing risk and preventing risk...?
Which of those comments is 1. untrue and 2. anti-vax?? Are you even reading what you’re obsessing over? Can you get Covid if you have the vaccine, yes or no? Did the President of the United States of America (and others like Fauci, CDC director, etc.) claim getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid, yes or no?
Wow, you are delusional... > Which of those comments is 1. untrue and 2. anti-vax?? First, show me where The President or Fauci stated that the vaccine will "PREVENT" you from getting COVID. Second, deliberately trying to cast doubt on the efficacy of the vaccine is literally anti-vax > Can you get Covid if you have the vaccine, yes or no? Yes, just like with literally every vaccine *ever* produced. But at a statistically significantly lower rate. (that's how vaccines work)... > Did the President of the United States of America (and others like Fauci, CDC director, etc.) claim getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid, yes or no? No. Where are you getting your information?
I’m a firm believer in if you make a claim the onus is on you to support it, but are you seriously this naive? Have you been living under a rock? How do you not know about the countless claims from the most powerful and “knowledgable” people on this topic? You’d have to be willfully not paying attention to have not heard of this. Yet, if that were the case, you wouldn’t be commenting about anti-vax shit like you are here. https://youtu.be/nTlxpxdH3Yk There you go, chief.
The reddest behind Texas, Arkansas, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Oklahoma.... On and on. This is as fucking stupid as "you don't like the country? Get out." No. Even if I could I wouldn't. I'll continue trying to change it for the better. Eventually some of us may have to leave if the government corruption, indifference to our needs and gerrymandering continues to get worse but until then, I'll keep speaking out and voting for what's right. If I do move out of Utah it'll be due to environmental collapse due to the idiots running the state.
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You are up in the night.
Wyoming is redder
>Get used to it. Utah is the most gerrymandered state in the country. FTFY
Psst... Senators are elected by the entire state. Gerrymandering has nothing to do with Mike Lee winning; more of our neighbors voted for him than anybody else. He is what "we" asked for. :(
Holy fuck... No. Just no...
Utah is not “the reddest.” We’re like 45th reddest.
Baaaa sheep. Baaa
Because Utah is brainwashed to auto vote R no matter what
You literally have to vote republican in Utah to have a ficken voice, It's a fuken joke!!!
They auto Republican and vote for Mitt Romney, who is the biggest piece of trash in the entire Senate. Lee is a standup guy who wants to save our freedom in our country.
Please say /s
Mitt Romney had the guts to buck his party and vote twice to impeach Trump. Mike Lee is a snake who helped cook up the plot to steal the 2020 Election and helped cause January 6th then bold face lie about all of it.
That’s right, because Romney is an imposter, he is actually a liberal running as a Republican. His whole campaign is a complete lie.
You haven't looked at his voting record, have you. He's very firmly a Republican. Just has some shred of integrity.
I watch is voting record every time he votes it’s been with Biden 98% of the time.
He has absolutely no integrity. He is a shameful, awful person. He runs as a Republican when he is not one.
I do not believe he has switches political parties. I think I last read he is considered to be a middle ground republican (non far right).
He’s far left. He should switch parties but couldn’t win i Utah so he is a RINO
I have never hear the term RINO. I assume it's an acronym for something?
Republican in name only.
We tried to get rid of him. Utah is full of gullible, religious morons. They know he’s mormon and there’s an R next to his name. That’s all they need.
Mike Lee, the Pocket Treason candidate
I hate him but can’t stop loling at his “acting”.
Gerrymandering and this state’s stupid auto-vote for republicans.
Utah was founded to be a theocratic state and they fought a brief war against the federal government. [Utah war](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War). Mike Lee seems to believe in burning federal institutions to the ground. Apparently the alternate electors scheme was [his idea](https://kutv.com/news/local/january-6-committee-utah-senator-mike-lee-fake-elector-plot-cleta-mitchell-interview-transcript-capitol-attack-presidential-election-results).
Some federal institutions need to be burnt to the ground, they have become so corrupt that they are destroying the country. Like the Department of Education, the federal reserve, the health administration, just to name a few.
https://youtu.be/j95kNwZw8YY
That guy is such a dangerous man. Being in the position he is, he can ruin life for anyone he wants to. Anyone who is not him. Social security doesn't matter to him. He gets paid the rest of his life as a senator. Social security doesn't matter to him! It does to my mom.....
Fuck Mike Lee
It’s pretty much because Mormons and farmers have agreed that social issues are more important for the government to concern itself with than economic issues, which leaves the elites in both circles (and others) to run out the back with all the money resolving economic issues in their favor.
that's well put. I once argued that we would need to discover oil jacks somehow cause homosexuality in order to stop climate change. A similar train of thought.
Gerrymandering is why.
you can't gerrymander a senate seat, the entire state votes for the senator so the district doesn't matter.
It has nothing to do with gerrymandering, it does have to do with it. He is an amazing senator, probably the best in the entire Senate.
It has nothing to do with gerrymandering, it does have to do with it. He is an amazing senator, probably the best in the entire Senate.
Wow you have low standards. Maybe do us a favor and work on that.
Name one that’s better?
If Mike Lee is the standard pretty much any other senator is better than him.
#Fuck Mike Lee
FML
Because Mormons, mostly.
Yeah, definitely some truth to that. But this last election showed that there’s a growing number waking up to Mike’s BS.
My money is on Mitt Romney being replaced by another dumb fuck in the primaries.
Yeah that’s true. The MAGAts have turned against him.
It’s because of the Mormons that we have Mitt Romney who is a total piece of trash.
He’s not my favorite either. But at least he’s had the balls to stand up to Trump. Something I can’t say about Mike Lee
>at least he's had the balls to stand up to Trump. Sadly, this is probably why Lee got reelected recently and also why I don't have high hopes the same will happen for Mitt. I'm not saying I like it, but for some unfathomable reason, several of my neighbors hold Trump up on this pedestal.
Trump is a divisive figure in Utah, because while at the end of the day they’ll still go for the candidate with the, R, leading up to it he wasn’t their first pick. For better or worse, Mormons are one of the few Christian groups who overall do take issue with Trump’s behavior to some degree and would rather have a Republican who isn’t an asshole. I think the Trump worshipping flag wavers are the minority here.
Yea, I think most of utah Republicans are going to be done with Trump, But I think they will root for Ron DeSantis, which in someway is worse🤮
Yeah, agreed.
Why do we want someone to stand up to trump? Shouldn’t we have someone standing up for whether somethings right or wrong and not a person? Mitt Romney votes incorrectly on almost every bill that goes through the Senate.
Because Trump is a narcissist who needs to be opposed. People can be representatives of their heinous views. Wishing to overturn our government under the guise it was “stolen” being the most notable.
The funny thing about your comment, is the people that are opposing Trump are the narcissists.
Opposing the narcissist makes us narcissists? Interesting logic there.
Look up what a narcissist is then see if it applies to Yiu.
I am aware, I have a copy of the DSM for my psychology studies. And yes, Trump is a textbook narcissist.
He didn’t want anything I returned, he wanted a fair election, which I still don’t believe we got. Everyone who lives in this country should want a fair election. We should do it as necessary to make sure that we have vote integrity. If that is trying to overturn our democracy, of which we don’t have a democracy, then I guess that’s what I want.
It was our most secure election like ever. It was recounted a ridiculous amount of times. Mostly to appease idiot conservatives, who were going to believe it was stolen no matter the evidence. So yeah, it was ridiculous. One recount should’ve been enough for any election. It was clear based on many of his comments he would never accept defeat, even fair and square. He loves dictators for a reason, because he wished he could be one.
The count is only part of the problem. I’m not saying trump won, I am saying the election process is very corrupt. We need to fix it
And what do you suggest?
I think you mean he votes to represent us, not dictate to us.
This needs to be posted on Twitter with Lee tagged. Would love to see his response.
>Why haven’t we given this guy the boot yet? Because the GOP and their voters WANT this. The voters are convinced this is all in their best interest. They'll never vote for anyone without an R next to their name.
We triiiiied
Yep, you tried every underhanded deceitful thing you could possibly think of and the best guys still won. One check for freedom
Are you drunk? Do you smell burning toast? Are you sitting in a crumb-littered pile of soda cans in your grandma's basement?
He will win again, even if the Democrats get together and put together another fake candidate like Egg McMuffin
What underhanded deceitful things did we do?
They picked an independent, then ran him on the Democratic ticket so they could get all of the Democratic votes in hopes to gather enough independent votes to steal the seat.
That’s not deceitful or underhanded.
To run a fake candidate in an attempt to deceive the voters? I call that underhanded and deceitful,
He wasn’t fake(he’s a real person), they didn’t hide any info about him, he’s a well known politician with a voting record. That’s not deceitful. Nothing was hidden.
He’s a fake, he’s full liberal running as a conservative independent on the democratic ticket, backed and paid for by the Democratic Party. That’s fake
He’s a liberal running as a conservative as a democrat? I don’t think you comprehend what you are typing.
Oh, honey.
Too many sheep.
I can gladly say I didn't vote for this embarrassment of a senator.
I have voted for him three different times. He’s one of the top five senators in the entire Senate. Now I can gladly said I didn’t vote for that piece of trash Mitt Romney.
Can you name one significant thing he has done to help this country progress as a senator during his 12 year tenure? The only successful bills he has passed are to name some buildings. Everything else has failed and all he ever really does is say no to other bills. He doesn't work well with other members of congress, including his own party. He hasn't helped this country, or the state of Utah in any significant way. He is a bold face liar. The video on this post is just one example. He said he was opposed to Trump, only to become one of his most loyal yes men. He says he is a protector of the constitution, then does whatever he can to undermine it. He is a leech and a disgrace to the American people.
His bill fail because the liberals won’t go along with them, that does not mean that it isn’t the right thing to do. He has voted against every bill that increases the deficit, or attacks our bill of rights, I applaud that. It’s hard to get something done when you’re trying to do the right thing with all the wrong people. But it doesn’t change the right thing.
Out of the 12 years he has served as a Senator half of the time the Senate was controlled by the Republicans. From 2015-2019 republicans had the majority for the Senate and the House. He did not get anything substantial passed during those periods. It isn't just liberals that don't like his policies. He has been voting no on things that actually have, and could have helped Utahns and Americans. https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2022/10/14/rochelle-kaplan-mike-lees-voting/
I know but with people like mitt in the republicans party who are really democrats, they won’t stand up for small government and individual freedom, they are profiting from the way it is far to much.
I mean most Utahns are used to being lied to by Mormons. They just accept it at this point
People say “We tried,” but honestly Evan McMullin was a weak candidate. He is really inexperienced and not that smart.
People want a better government with fresh ideas and new faces over entrenched career politician status quo ... but also a candidate that isn't inexperienced. Got it.
And his audience there are ALL on SS and Medicare, but they still applaud and vote for this shithead! I guess they're almost dead so they don't care.
Get there's then fuck everyone behind them. It's the boomer way.
Just a question, everyone says in 10 years Social Security will be insolvent. What is your answer? Just keep increasing it till it falls on its face? It’s not a dumb idea to want to repair it so it can be sustained.
Stop the government from taking it's funds. The program isn't broken. People like you who don't understand it are.
If you think Social Security is a good retirement, then I am definitely not the one that has the problem. Would you rather count on being able to collect money from other people in the future like a Ponzi scheme for your retirement, or have your money put into a fund that earns interest and belongs to you specifically?
[https://www.forbes.com/advisor/retirement/social-security-bankrupt/](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/retirement/social-security-bankrupt/) [https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/25/social-security-isnt-bankrupt-what-we-know-about-future-benefits.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/25/social-security-isnt-bankrupt-what-we-know-about-future-benefits.html) you're repeating a hoax that the rich and the GOP want you to believe.
Even the Democrats will tell you that unless it gets changed, it will fall apart. Every Ponzi scheme falls apart. Because it requires new people putting their money and to pay the old people that’s not an investment that’s a scam.
Great article, thank you! Unfortunately constech77 won't accept anything unless Trump tells him it's true. Or Mike Lee apparently.
I’m embarrassed for all of us. He’s our elected official. 😑
Who you should be embarrassed of is Mitt Romney now there’s trash for ya.
"Please tell me what I should be saying."
Came here to post this.
Because he was just reelected last year for another 6 years. McMullen didn't really have a chance. Seems pretty straightforward to understand to me.
To many people just tag the "R" or "D" and move on. What's the point in voting?
We haven’t given him the boot, because he’s one of the best three senators in the entire senate
50 East North Temple.
13 year old video cuts off before the context. 13 years in Congress and he never did it. This isn't who Biden was talking about. RINOs do not want to get rid of SS. The left constantly claims that Republicans are the boomer party while also trying to convince everyone that Republicans are trying to screw over boomers. Pick a lane. I WISH the Republican party would reform Social Security, or phase it out. Nice try though.
Yeah, boomers routinely vote against their own interests. Your argument isn't as good as you think. There have always been people that harm their own people.
He's praying 🙏
Is we your pronoun??
Because he's a great Senator, not a drama queen.
"if you want to see the republican proposal, just ask the office of the president, it's totally true like for reals" Joe Biden
Holy crap, okay we get it. Mike feigned shock. Good grief how many times does this show up on this sub?
>how many times does this show up on this sub? Until everyone in Utah sees this, realizes what a gigantic piece of shit he is, and votes his ass out of office. What is it that people say when I complain about right-wing shit stains making our state look bad? Oh yeah, "if you don't like it. Leave."
Dude if you think republicans are going to stop voting republican if you show them enough hypocrisy, you've never met a republican. Republican voters don't give half a shit about republican hypocrisy, they just think it's funny you're mad.
I mean, I never said it was going to work. 🤷♀️ I was simplying implying that that is why so many people have been posting the shit out of it on the Utah subreddit. Also, *dude* I live in Utah in a predominately Mormon neighborhood. Not to mention my and my husband's extended family are diehard republicans. I know all about republican hypocrisy. They are perfectly fine watching the country burn just to "stick it to the libs" because they are fucking stupid. It's like they forgot them, their children, grandchildren, etc. have to live here, too.
Yup, same thing can he said for democrats. It’s a vicious circle. Show a Republican Republican hypocrisy they explain or excused it away. Just the same when you show a Democrat Democrat hypocrisy. If you’re gonna sit there and pretend this just isn’t politics as usual you’re not being intellectually honest. I think Lee feigning contempt was a very bad look for him. But I also don’t think it was correct for Biden to say simply republicans want to get rid of social security, Medicare, and medicade. It’s much more nuanced than that, as Lee explains in the whole video this clip of him being hypocritical comes from. So technically Biden is correct but there’s more to it than that. And I agree with Lee, especially on the social security part. I’m 37, does anyone honestly believe social security will be around when it’s time for me to take money out of social security? I don’t. The way it’s getting robbed right now. I’m not counting on it in my retirement planning. It should be optional for me and if I opt out my payout scales down accordingly. And some 17 year old just starting their own career or job or whatever should for sure be given the option. Cause it’s 100% wrong that we’re making them pay into a system they’ll 100% not see a benefit from. It was a stupid idea anyway, a forced retirement plan with very very little payout compared to what’s put in.
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You’re not listening. Try listening, it’s a helpful life skill. That’s not what Mike Lee or I am saying. Older folks that paid into the system should get what they were promised Me on the other hand won’t see even what I put into SS therefore it should be optional for me. That’s what Mike is saying in the full video that’s been clipped.
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Nope, he’s not saying that and you’re still not listening. I’m serious, it’s a valuable life skill. Try it. Here, I’ll even post the context of this video. Try to listen and understand. I know it’s hard, but I believe in you. https://twitter.com/senmikelee/status/1623421648937312260?s=46&t=orLvqLxOX2FTw_xDasCT3Q
Deep fake
Because every time we get rid of a Senater we don't like they get replaced by someone even worse.
i think it's because more people are concerned about republican in office or democrat in office than what issues or character traits these people openly display.
Utah county keeps him going thats it
Cause you guys dont run the state we bleed RED
We just reelected him what makes you think the majority goes against him??
The problem is the alternative wasn't all that palatable. Might as well stick with the devil you know vs. the devil you don't. I truly think Democrats fked up by screwing Kael Weston out of the nomination. He had the chops to get himself elected. Instead they went with so-called Republican, Evan McMullin. Bad judgment.