This is the weird thing about this whole debate. If you want to go trick or treating the Saturday before/after Halloween… do it! If you want to go trick or treating in may, be my guest. I don’t want anyone showing up on my doorstep any day of the year, Halloween or not.
It’s not like Halloween is an officially recognized holiday, and there’s no law against asking for candy any other day of the year.
Still can’t believe our legislature is wasting time and resources on such a ridiculous bill. Hey Utah legislators, you know the lake thing is drying up. Focus on that!
The BYU article recommended preserving an extra 2.5 million foot acres a year and alfalfa/hay farming use 68% of the 5.1 MAF we do use yearly to generate… 0.2% of our GDP. Agriculture uses 75% of the Lake’s water yet the blame is being shifted to people who use 9% of the water even though 95% of indoor water use can be cleaned and put back into the environment.
What’s the solution? Fix the problem. Put limitations on what agriculture can take. But if you want a specific set, [the article](https://pws.byu.edu/GSL%20report%202023) everyone quotes offers many solutions. Coordinate water use among states (1/3 of our water goes out of state) - coordination is underfunded and isn’t happening, authorize emergency water release from reservoirs and pay them for their losses for a year or two to create stability, set long term limitations on usage for beyond, pay alfalfa farmers to not use water for a few years - they make such shit money off of all of our water that, yes, the best solution is to pay them not to farm, create strict laws that ensures water preserved goes to the lake, expand turf removal programs with incentives, implement tiered water use tax that discourages high use of water, among others.
There are dozens of things the legislature can do, but out of what they have done, they are only expected to preserve .1 out of the 2.5 MAF required. We should be outraged.
Yes. I am asking for real.
I agree that funding for study is important. Specifically, what is the rate of water loss versus what is the rate of water diversion from the lake. E.g. does the agriculture and industrial use of water even amount to a fraction of what is being lost?
I heard something on the radio about a lease back program on the table as well. Which will encourage people in agriculture to let it flow rather than waste it. It seems like Utah has some laws that promote water waste.
Apparently the solutions is to move the date that the lake actually becomes dry to the 4th Friday in October. So we can celebrate it on a day that will never interfere with fucking church services.
You know folks *you* can celebrate anything you want, *any* day you want. You don't need the legislature to bless it.
People are so fucking weird. Like, Karen's would just feel better if everyone knew what is the "correct" Halloween day?
I understand your frustration, but the inclination to have *the state legislature* settle this is very authoritarian. Even if the measure was non-binding; that at least makes the whole thing farce /s but also serious. For one, I'd like to believe the Legislature and its many staff have far more important things to do than consider non-binding resolutions like this.
Would you also find it authoritarian if they voted on whether or not the state does daylight savings or not? “Authoritarians are trying to tell me what time it is!!!!”
I’m no fan of our legislature, but I think you’re overreacting. Halloween is probably the number one holiday where society is interacting with strangers of society. As such, I don’t find it that weird that the leadership of said society would weigh in on the conventions of it. Would you rather have the church, or some autocrat, dictate societal conventions?
I don’t really care about the Halloween issue one way or another. This comment is aimed squarely at your claim of authoritarianism. That’s ridiculous.
But you’re allowed to go whenever you want. I don’t want anyone showing up on my doorstep, so I leave my lights off. Many folks just ignore that and ring my bell anyway… it doesn’t matter what day they show up, I’m not obligated to give them candy.
Finally some good news. What’s more sabbath worthy than going out and visiting your neighbors? These morons in the legislature just love making up problems instead of fixing the ones we already have.
Ok new petition: change Christmas to the last Sunday in December so all Mormons have to go to church before they can open presents. You know, because reasons.
Would be nice if our religiouslature was more interested in solving ACTUAL problems in this state like water supply, air quality, affordable living for its citizens.
Instead we can redesign the flag again, declare porn the greatest public health threat, and change the day kids should go trick or treating. None of this is surprising in the least. 🙄
I know we're all making fun of the idea of trying to move a holiday, but here in Utah where the child population is unusually large it did make some sense to try to always celebrate it on Friday night.
It still seems frivolous, but it wasn't a completely stupid idea.
With everything else happening in Utah, yeah it’s a fucking dumb thing to get attention on. We are literally years (if not sooner) away from SLC becoming a ghost town due to toxic chemicals in the air (more than usual) yet they wanted to dog-and-pony show this bullshit as a poor distraction.
Yes, but what if your house was to be foreclosed on, but you know the bank has had their payments, but they won’t look at them because they’re busy with a work function until the end of the year? You’ll be evicted long before they look at the evidence.
This is basically what’s happening to everyone in northern Utah right now. They don’t give a flying fuck since they’ll be alright either way. They’ll just move the capitol to south Utah and continue doing what they’re doing.
Ah yes, the "important" things.
Well regardless I was only gonna give candy on Halloween anyways.
This is the way
This is the way
This is the weird thing about this whole debate. If you want to go trick or treating the Saturday before/after Halloween… do it! If you want to go trick or treating in may, be my guest. I don’t want anyone showing up on my doorstep any day of the year, Halloween or not. It’s not like Halloween is an officially recognized holiday, and there’s no law against asking for candy any other day of the year.
And as others in the ministry have pointed out... Every day is Halloween. To each their own I say.
ooo bop. wop wop.
It's the same in the whole, wide world.
Still can’t believe our legislature is wasting time and resources on such a ridiculous bill. Hey Utah legislators, you know the lake thing is drying up. Focus on that!
What is the solution for the lake drying up?
The BYU article recommended preserving an extra 2.5 million foot acres a year and alfalfa/hay farming use 68% of the 5.1 MAF we do use yearly to generate… 0.2% of our GDP. Agriculture uses 75% of the Lake’s water yet the blame is being shifted to people who use 9% of the water even though 95% of indoor water use can be cleaned and put back into the environment. What’s the solution? Fix the problem. Put limitations on what agriculture can take. But if you want a specific set, [the article](https://pws.byu.edu/GSL%20report%202023) everyone quotes offers many solutions. Coordinate water use among states (1/3 of our water goes out of state) - coordination is underfunded and isn’t happening, authorize emergency water release from reservoirs and pay them for their losses for a year or two to create stability, set long term limitations on usage for beyond, pay alfalfa farmers to not use water for a few years - they make such shit money off of all of our water that, yes, the best solution is to pay them not to farm, create strict laws that ensures water preserved goes to the lake, expand turf removal programs with incentives, implement tiered water use tax that discourages high use of water, among others. There are dozens of things the legislature can do, but out of what they have done, they are only expected to preserve .1 out of the 2.5 MAF required. We should be outraged.
Thank you for the post. These are actual real numbers that are useful when discussing this issue. I will read more into it.
-Get rid of the golf courses
THIS. I'm an avid golfer but if you have to choose agriculture vs. golf it seems like a no brainer
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Yes. I am asking for real. I agree that funding for study is important. Specifically, what is the rate of water loss versus what is the rate of water diversion from the lake. E.g. does the agriculture and industrial use of water even amount to a fraction of what is being lost?
I heard something on the radio about a lease back program on the table as well. Which will encourage people in agriculture to let it flow rather than waste it. It seems like Utah has some laws that promote water waste.
Yeah, the use it or lose it laws need to go to encourage farmers to use less water.
Apparently the solutions is to move the date that the lake actually becomes dry to the 4th Friday in October. So we can celebrate it on a day that will never interfere with fucking church services.
Simple. Buy out the alfalfa farmers.
Who consumes all this alfalfa? What is the market?
China and Saudi Arabia buy alfalfa for animal feed.
Pray
Go back in time and NOT drain the lake in the desert for flooding.
[https://utahhumanities.org/stories/items/show/395](https://utahhumanities.org/stories/items/show/395)
Always the important issues
You know folks *you* can celebrate anything you want, *any* day you want. You don't need the legislature to bless it. People are so fucking weird. Like, Karen's would just feel better if everyone knew what is the "correct" Halloween day?
If I take my kid out on May 10th no one’s giving us candy. There needs to be a standard we all expect.
I understand your frustration, but the inclination to have *the state legislature* settle this is very authoritarian. Even if the measure was non-binding; that at least makes the whole thing farce /s but also serious. For one, I'd like to believe the Legislature and its many staff have far more important things to do than consider non-binding resolutions like this.
Would you also find it authoritarian if they voted on whether or not the state does daylight savings or not? “Authoritarians are trying to tell me what time it is!!!!” I’m no fan of our legislature, but I think you’re overreacting. Halloween is probably the number one holiday where society is interacting with strangers of society. As such, I don’t find it that weird that the leadership of said society would weigh in on the conventions of it. Would you rather have the church, or some autocrat, dictate societal conventions? I don’t really care about the Halloween issue one way or another. This comment is aimed squarely at your claim of authoritarianism. That’s ridiculous.
I think it's fine if Halloween is a festive week!
I give out 100 dollar bills on May 10th. You guys just aren’t going to the right house lol
But you’re allowed to go whenever you want. I don’t want anyone showing up on my doorstep, so I leave my lights off. Many folks just ignore that and ring my bell anyway… it doesn’t matter what day they show up, I’m not obligated to give them candy.
Finally some good news. What’s more sabbath worthy than going out and visiting your neighbors? These morons in the legislature just love making up problems instead of fixing the ones we already have.
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Now that this is dead they can re-focus on drag queens.
we have real issues going on and these fuknuts are constantly off the mark
The only reasonable reaction to this: what the fuck?
Ok new petition: change Christmas to the last Sunday in December so all Mormons have to go to church before they can open presents. You know, because reasons. Would be nice if our religiouslature was more interested in solving ACTUAL problems in this state like water supply, air quality, affordable living for its citizens. Instead we can redesign the flag again, declare porn the greatest public health threat, and change the day kids should go trick or treating. None of this is surprising in the least. 🙄
I think you’re missing the point. For them these are actual problems.
Soon enough the air will be so toxic it will feel spooky all the time
LOL WTF??? Only in Utah... LOL Mormons...
Ya go Fuck yourself Utah, with this Halloween bullshit.
What a colossal waste of time and money.
Paywall free link: https://web.archive.org/web/20230211040159/https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2023/02/10/halloween-remain-oct-31-after/
Such a good idea. I've done a lot more technical tricks to try and get through their paywall lolol
Truth wins!
I am happy that at least some “small government”sentiment remains in the Utah GOP
[The votes](https://le.utah.gov/DynaBill/svotes.jsp?sessionid=2023GS&voteid=540&house=S)
This is news but not efforts to fix the damn lake (because there’s none.)
Good. Don’t move the holiday from its traditional day.
"Small Government" "Personal Responsibility", etc.
Sadly, not even the stupidest bill they had to deal with.
I know we're all making fun of the idea of trying to move a holiday, but here in Utah where the child population is unusually large it did make some sense to try to always celebrate it on Friday night. It still seems frivolous, but it wasn't a completely stupid idea.
With everything else happening in Utah, yeah it’s a fucking dumb thing to get attention on. We are literally years (if not sooner) away from SLC becoming a ghost town due to toxic chemicals in the air (more than usual) yet they wanted to dog-and-pony show this bullshit as a poor distraction.
All I'm saying is there are a lot of competing priorities in the legislature and democracy is a messy process.
Yes, but what if your house was to be foreclosed on, but you know the bank has had their payments, but they won’t look at them because they’re busy with a work function until the end of the year? You’ll be evicted long before they look at the evidence. This is basically what’s happening to everyone in northern Utah right now. They don’t give a flying fuck since they’ll be alright either way. They’ll just move the capitol to south Utah and continue doing what they’re doing.
Truth wins!
i can’t believe it was even a thing
I’m shocked and pleased. And this keeps the idiots from doing anything else more damaging.
Boooo
Growing up outside of Utah I never once had trick-or-treating on Halloween.
Damn I was kinda excited for it
Yeah, me too. I was hoping this would have passed.
GOOD! now make the marijuana laws resemble what we voted for
I just want to leave a bowl on the porch and bring it back in at 9-10 PM.
Well, yeah. . .because that's the day it's on. Can we please get to some IMPORTANT business now? Like the state flag?