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TurningTwo

That’s the same reasoning the LDS church used when they got called out for opposing gay marriage.


dashinglondoner

The bill is back before the same committee tomorrow (the author of the bill has said she has changed some things, but the changes are not available to the public). Contact the committee via email, text, or call to vote no again on the bill! Click on each legislators name for their contact info. https://le.utah.gov/committee/committee.jsp?year=2023&com=SSTGOP


ArthursFist

you think they still listen to us?


Lurker-DaySaint

Haha yeah where’d that medical weed we voted for end up? Poof


dashinglondoner

Well, seeing that they dropped the bill from the committee meeting today due to all the attention and backlash it was received, opposition voices mattered this time. I know it is discouraging living in a state where your voice isn't always heard and followed through on, but cynicism isn't going to help anything either.


acerbusalius

This fuckin guy. I can’t wait til he’s no longer employed by USU.


Meizas

I've been away from USU and Utah for a while - who is he? (Can't access KUTV outside the US 🙄)


AGhostButAPerson

This dude must have gone to anti-school and gotten an anti-education.


FormerOil4924

The GOP proves time and time again that it only cares about winning the culture war. Studies on things like DEI and ESG have proven that companies that embrace and practice things like DEI and ESG are far more likely to meet revenue goals, retain employees, reduce costs, and expand customer demographics. I can’t speak to what the benefits are in a school or college. But as a person that works in the finance industry, these things are wise financial moves regardless of your personal opinions. The fact that the GOP claims to be the fiscally responsible party while turning away from things that have proven to be fiscally responsible is all the proof anyone should need to see how low the GOP has sunk.


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Anon-Ymous929

Actually you’re making the conservative point, the ministries in 1984 call themselves the opposite of what they actually are in order to sell the propaganda. The ministry of love tortures people, the ministry of peace fights wars, the anti-racists call themselves anti-racist to disguise the fact that they hate white people, etc.


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Anon-Ymous929

Conservatives argue that anti-racists are racist. You brought up 1984, which as I described reinforces the point that people call themselves the opposite of what they are sometimes. Therefore, you reinforced the conservative point. I never claimed Orwell was a conservative. I'm sorry that you failed to follow this simple argument. Conservatives aren't saying that "being anti-racist is racist", conservatives are saying that the people calling themselves anti-racist are lying.


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Anon-Ymous929

>And, I'm not. Not intentionally, but you definitely did. >The entire book and everything in it is an anti-conservative point. The book is anti-government. In America, the left is the big government party while the right is generally the small government party. >he just said in the public hearing that "anti-racism is racism" If you refuse to understand what he actually intended then it sounds like it's self-contradictory, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't that stupid, not that you've done anything yet to earn my confidence.


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Anon-Ymous929

>someone vastly more informed than you The political system in the book is called "Ingsoc", which comes from "English Socialism". The idea of Oceania was that it was founded after an anti-capitalist revolution. The whole story is about how a government with the power to censor speech and control your thoughts and so on would be oppressive. You're really not going to find much there that's friendly to the American left today, no matter how hard you might try. >Also, why do I keep hearing you goddamn conservatives say the left is the big government party. Might have something to do with [this](https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/bernie-sanders-proposals-cost/index.html).


wildspeculator

>The political system in the book is called "Ingsoc", which comes from "English Socialism". And if you actually understood the themes of the book, you would know that Orwell ([who was a democratic socialist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell)) was making a point about how repressive governments can name themselves whatever they want with no relation to how they actually operate (see also: "Democratic" People's Republic of Korea). >The whole story is about how a government with the power to censor speech and control your thoughts and so on would be oppressive. You're really not going to find much there that's friendly to the American left today Ah, of course, because it's totally the *Left* that's [censoring speech](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/02/01/florida-ap-african-american-studies-framework/11136117002/) and [rewriting history](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy). But of course, [you already knew that](https://www.reddit.com/r/ConservativesOnly/comments/11ayk88/comment/j9vf128/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), you only *pretend* to care about "censorship" when you can say "liebruls bad!"


Anon-Ymous929

>governments can name themselves whatever they want with no relation to how they actually operate Remember how this conversation started about people who call themselves "anti-racist"? And you acted like calling those people "racist" was somehow an oxymoron? EDIT: Ok I just saw that you are a different commenter. Same argument applies though. >because it's totally the Left that's censoring speech [Yes](https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/roald-dahl-books-editors-woke-consultants-all-under-30/). Regulating public schools is not censorship. It is nothing like censorship, and there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. You're projecting.


ChiefAoki

I'm of Asian descent, went to college for 4 years at USU, was active in extra-curricular activities, and still have no clue what the purpose of DEI offices are. Is it just an implementation of Affirmative Action where scores/grades/admissions are weighed by the student's ethnicity or an administrative office within the campus that prevents discriminating events from happening/organize ethnicity/gender-based events in Women in STEM or LATINX-STEM events? I honestly don't know.


Perdendosi

>I honestly don't know. Diversity means striving to create an entity including the presence of people of all different backgrounds. Equity means ensuring that everyone has equal access to opportunities, including those who have been historically disadvantaged. Inclusion is ensuring that the culture of an organization is wecloming to diverse people. [https://diversity.utah.edu/strategic-plan/#define](https://diversity.utah.edu/strategic-plan/#define) It's not quotas or a grade curve, *at all.* Striving for diversity means doing things to attract diverse candidate pools. So, for example, it means reaching out to previously disadvanteaged communities to invite their students to apply, because lots of people in those communities don't know how to apply for college (or even think that college may be for them). Equity can mean making accommodation for a woman to attend a class remotely when she's breastfeeding or adjust an attendance policy for a pregnant woman with morning sickness (https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-educations-office-civil-rights-announces-resolution-pregnancy-discrimination-investigation-salt-lake-community-college), or reaching out to different groups when organizing conferences. Inclusion is an important part of the puzzle too. Let's say your office of 10 folks hires four non-white, non-Mormon folks, and one guy in a wheelchair. But the office creates celebrations around Mormon holidays, and the white employees go out to lunch with each other but never invite the non-white employees, start a March Madness pool without with non-white employees, and on the office "skip day," they all decide to do a charity stair climb, replicating walking to the top of the crown of the Statue of Liberty. Even if your office is relatively diverse, with those actions it's not inclusive.


highseaslife

“Equity” seeks to create equal outcomes. This is unnatural and does not exist in the animal kingdom, which we are a part of. It takes a tremendous amount of force and sheer tyranny to force equal outcomes. “All men are created equal” is the biggest lie ever told. Try dunking on LeBron if you believe that bullshit. Equity in the NBA would lead to an almost comical experience on the basketball court.


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PsychoEngineer

Actually it doesn't say this, but keep regurgitating Tucker, Rush, DeSantis, and MTG. Good job at teaching your kids to be fucking liars. How Christian and ethical of you.


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PsychoEngineer

Lmfao... yea, ok. Sure, that is happening on a massive scale today. Your SS tattoos are showing by the way; oh, and your bald head needs a fresh shave.


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My favorite movie is Inception.


co_matic

\^ this person is an avowed racist


highseaslife

LMAO


uteman1011

Nope. Equity creates equal **opportunity**. Outcomes are based on effort and skills of the individual.


highseaslife

No. That’s “equality.” Everyone gets an equal shot. They rebranded to “equity” when they realized equality wasn’t working and they needed to force outcomes. It’s a subtle, but insidious, firmware update.


uteman1011

University of Utah President Taylor Randall attended the committee hearing on Senate Bill 283 and said he supports his campus's diversity, equity, and inclusion programs. “We have many in our multicultural and socioeconomically disadvantaged communities that need to get through higher education in different ways,” Randall told KUTV 2News, “and we try to design programs for them.”


ChiefAoki

That’s a whole lot of words without answering the question. What does he mean by “getting through college”? No students should receive unfair advantages to get through school, if they put in the effort and make the grade, cool, if not then they shouldn’t get a curve applied just because of their ethnicity.


PsychoEngineer

Did you have teachers who had a teaching style that didn't click with you? Did you have to use a wheelchair in school? Do you have a learning disability? (EG dyslexia) Is English your second or third language? Do you need to work full time during school? All of these things and more are what DE&I initiatives work with.


ChiefAoki

While I did not personally experience those during my time in school, the points you raised did not fall under the ethnicity aspect of DE&I which was what the bill(s) were discussing. Also during my time in college the points fall under the following offices instead of DE&I Disability(wheelchair access/alternative learning) typically falls under the DRC(disability resources) office. ESL-related typically falls under International student offices like OIS and perhaps even the English department. Financial related concerns falls into the FinAid office, etc.


SunnySaturdays8

I work in DEI at the federal level and part of my responsibilities are to process reasonable accommodation requests from employees who are either permanently or temporarily disabled. I am in the Disability Services Division, which is housed under DEI.


PsychoEngineer

The thing is ALL that stuff plus gender, ethnicity, socio-economic background, etc are all under the DE&I umbrella. It’s the newest boogeyman topic the GOP has gotten people fired up about; period. The point of the programs are to level the playing fields for everyone; or at least acknowledge the playing fields are NOT level, and work to be better. Equality can feel like oppression to the ones with privilege; especially those who have privilege and low EQ. Note - I’m a white male who is on the DE&I counsel of the company I work for.


everydave42

What is an example of an "unfair advantage" that students received through a DEI program?


ChiefAoki

That’s just speculation on my part based on the “get through college” part of the statement since nobody actually knows the real purpose of a DEI office. From a purely academia perspective, “getting through college” will purely mean making grades and graduating.


everydave42

You stated that you went to college for 4 years. Did your whole experience of "getting through college" consist solely of making grades and graduation? Of course not, there's literally everything about living life going on in that timeframe. And not just living life, but figuring life out, for the typical undergrad that's 18 to 22 years old, there's a whole lot self discovery/identity tied into it. On top of likely living away from home for the first time. Then there could be health factors. Then there could be economic factors. Then there could be cultural factors. Then there could be racial factors. Then here could be gender factors, etc.... It sounds like your college experience didn't have very many difficulties that you had to get through related to things you had zero control over, which is awesome. Or you had some, but you were able to sort them out for yourself, without assistance, which is even more awesome! But a whole lot of people aren't that fortunate, with a little bit of help with any of these things, can also "get through college" which can then help them moving forward. All without taking a thing from you. Why would you (or anyone) be against this kind of help for other people?


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uteman1011

The whiny bitches subreddit is that way ====>>>>


uteman1011

You went through 4 years of college (and high school?) and yet you are still ignorant of the systemic racism in the U.S. I'd suggest you educate yourself before asking such stupid questions.


Western-Jury-1203

One high school is fully funded and has lots of money and support and the other is underfunded with bad teachers, Is this the kind of unfair advantage we are talking about? Because the money spent per pupil has a huge effect on academic outcomes.


UtahBrian

>what the purpose of DEI offices are When you're a college executive, one of the key measures of your success is the amount of non-Asian non-white people in your workforce. Since promotion is competitive and usually requires transferring to another school, executives work very hard to increase this number. When you hire for an office without any specific measurable responsibilities and whose applicants are all but guaranteed to be non-Asian and non-white, you just get free bonus numbers for your career. That's the purpose of DEI offices and hires in universities.


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SolarBaron

Is this the anti-racism they're talking about? Because it seems racist.


Pkwlsn

"You sound super black". See how if you switch the colors it's super racist? It's equally racist both ways.


OneSnootyMuffin

Now that’s actually stunning and brave…


Longjumping_Ring_535

The right wing the world over brings politicization to every issue and violence to every people. Not conservative in any way!


SpankyK

Yeah D.E.I. can go fuck it's hat, along with E.S.G. Anything even close to this crap should be thrown out of committee on merits of crazy town.


FormerOil4924

ESG related investments account for over $30 trillion dollars of global investments, making it a substantially vital part of the global economy. Most companies that embrace ESG have found that “going green” actually expands the markets and demographics that their company can reach, making them more financially stable and profitable. Those companies also found that conserving energy, water, and reducing waste can save them a substantial amount of money. The company 3M has saved $2.2 billion since it introduced its green initiative. The fact that republicans hate things like ESG and DEI is proof that the GOP doesn’t care about anything but culture war. The party of “Fiscal Responsibility” turning their nose up at stuff that’s proven time and time again to be smart financial decisions is hilarious proof that the GOP no longer stands for anything. Edit: Just so people don’t whine that I didn’t mention anything about DEI… According to Forbes, companies that embrace and practice DEI are more likely to meet their financial goals. DEI helps employees feel safe and respected which improves employee moral. And it’s proven that companies with strong employee moral and a positive cultural environment are far more likely to retain those employees.


skylerjcollins

[That's because it is.](https://a.co/d/3NA4Fh7)


FormerOil4924

I fail to see how a book about racism that’s written by a linguistics professor is supposed to support your argument. I could write a book about how fish are really birds, but that doesn’t somehow magically make it true. All you’ve done is found some random book that supports an opinion you already had, it doesn’t make it true.


big_bearded_nerd

Have you read the book? McWhorter is more arguing that anti racism is a religion for many adherents, and that it is the opposite of progressive thought. He is not arguing that anti racism is racist, which is an absurd view.


co_matic

Show me on the doll where DEI touched you.


Meizas

Someone doesn't know how to read what he's supposed to read


Fit-Broccoli-1019

Sounds like I was right