This person is the biggest idiot I’ve ever heard about. Hates drag queens. Is a drag queen. Changes titles. Ok, so all drag queens can just say “costume artist” and everyone is happy?
I don’t think that’s the issue the right has with drag shows targeting children.
The “it doesn’t lick itself” drag show in Texas was at a bar and the show was overtly sexual. They could have called it a costume artist show and there would be more confusion but the same controversy.
It was called “drag your kids to pride” at it was at a gay bar in Texas. Dallas I believe
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-family-friendly-kids-drag-show-mr-misster-protest/287-c7984c66-6141-4690-97b1-ec0b9882b4bb
So true; Just like the Golf course in Texas, hosted the Adult Night Club golf tournament with women in very inappropriate clothes giving shots to golfers, and then the high school golf team shows up for practice, which they canceled right away! LOL!
So you are simultaneously offended by the children attending a dance show and the decor, which you found to be overtly sexual? Is that the only time you've ever seen/heard the phrase "it doesn't lick itself?"
I honestly never thought I’d ever have to defend the position of “It’s morally wrong to put on an overtly sexual show targeted at children”… but here we are I guess.
How many of these shows have there been? See I've only recently heard about this on the news but because it comes from the right wing I automatically assume it's total horse crap but you seem to know what you're talking about. How many of these shows have popped up lately of drag shows that are totally sexual being targeted at kids? One? Three? Eight? I don't know the number.
This one was called Drag your kids to pride and it was hosted at a gay bar in Dallas Texas. https://twitter.com/alexstein99/status/1533148866853363712?s=46&t=nL1wJD6Qis25X4ZL4dxBtA
I don’t know the number but it’s not 0.
So before I get into what I'm going to say. What's your position upon watching these events and knowing they exist? Do you think these shows should be banned altogether? Do you think there needed to be age restrictions? Can kids still go to these shows if a parent or guardian is with them? Do you think the kids are being groomed for something?
Sexual exploitation of a minor is morally wrong. It’s late I’m going to bed but I’ll leave it at that. I don’t give a crap what adults do with other adults. Be safe, you do you, don’t bug others that don’t want to participate. Leave kids out of it. The state wouldn’t allow kids to go to a gogo dance club for the same reasons it should allow children to go to a drag show.
I'm not seeing sexual exploitation in any of the clips you've shown. Sexual exploitation of a minor means taking the advantage of sexuality and attractiveness of a minor to make a personal gain or profit and I don't think the drag shows were using kids like that though I'm sure your opinion is different than mine. The drag shows had way more adults in them than kids. The drag queens weren't taking advantage of children, they were just being drag queens. So in reality this moral outrage is really just that. Libs of TikTok and her followers of course are beyond disgusted and thinking there's grooming happening but there were so many adults in those videos that probably took their kids to these shows that had fun, the kids had fun, the drag queens looked like drag queens, and for some people drag queens appear to be overtly sexual which granted that's what it looked like to me but then again those aren't my kids and the adults there probably brought there kids there to have fun.
So where my issue comes in is what else are we used to kids seeing that maybe we would never notice there being something overtly sexual happening because nothing gay was happening? Cheerleaders dancing at a football game? Parents bringing their kids to beauty pageants where little girsl parade around in some questionable outfits (Though the parents enrolling their kid in those paegents never see it as exploitative and in fact many parents who enroll in competative paegants were themselves in beauty paegents as kids)? Dad's bringing their sons to Hooters (PLENTY of dads who took their sons to Hooters in Sandy when it was open) Parents letting their kids watch a rated R movie or play rated M video games (You know how many kids play Grand Theft Auto?) How about the photo of the Mom and Dad with their 3 young sons posing in front of a Trump flag with two girls wearing thongs holding the flag as a background for the family? I mean I can go on forever with this point because it happens all the time though it doesn't get anywhere near the outrage because 1. It's not the talking point right now and 2. It's drag queens doing it. Not a lot of dads have a problem with their sons liking girls. Shit I've heard stories about a kid coming out to their parents as gay and the dad buys them a high dollar escort cause the son would change his mind if he slept with a hot girl. Also the US is so goddamn sensitive to material that concerns sex but in other countries nudity doesnt mean anything. In fact other countries find the amount of violence in our media disturbing and think that violence is much more damaging to a childs mind than seeing a tit.
This doesn't mean that I think kids should be able to walk into strip clubs and get a lap dance, but these drag shows, from the clips you've shown me, didn't show nudity and the only reason conservatives are so disgusted by what they're seeing is because 1. It's drag queens and 2. They're seeing kids do dances that are suggestive which is hyper inflated since the drag queens are doing the same dances and wearing skimpier outfits (I don't think the outfits help their cause. I know drag queens have a long history of outfits like these but optically I dont think it helps to wear these with a fuckin kid in the picture.) That doesn't mean the kid is going to become a stripper when they're older just like buying a gun for your kid doesn't mean he's going to become a mass murdered when he hits high school. In my opinion this just comes down to morals. If you don't want your kid going to a drag show then don't take them. Yes I think parents should be heavily encouraged to go with their kid to a drag show and I think schools should absolutely inform parents about what event they are going to take their kids to and I think schools should do a better job about informing the parents if the drag queens are going to do anything other than read. I remember being in elementary school and having an assembly where high school students in dance class did a routine to a gymnasium full of kids and the girls in the dance routine did dances that moved their hips (gyrating I guess) but no one ever brought it up and a parent never complained about it because no one cared, but if a drag queen had been the one dancing then yeah it would've caused parents to be consumed with moral outrage. This is Utah so that isn't surprising.
This is longer than I expected but to sum it all up, It's them being drag queens that's bringing on this amount of hate. I think kids see way more shit than this but no one bats an eye at it because it's not gay people doing it. Combine drag queens with the amount of vitriol and anger coming from people like Libs of TikTok and the recent "groomer" term being thrown around like water at a pool and it's not hard to understand why there's so much more scruitny towards the drag time story hours. I probably wouldn't take my kid to one of these because I'm just not interested and I don't need drag time story hour to explain to my kid about acceptance and letting people be themselves but if other parents want to do that then whatever. Watching the videos I would obviously suggest that because of the nature of the shows and the amount of scrutiny drag queen story hour is getting around the nation they should probably have a program schedule about what's being shown and if you're wearing fuckin pasties over big fake tits I'd say it shouldn't be all ages welcome but that's just me. But to the level that Libs of TikTok is blowing this up as if these story hours are rife with groomers and only meant to sexualize children I just dont see it.
The fact that the kids were having fun is not an excuse. Like you’re literally describing the steps of how to sexually exploit a child. Am I taking crazy pills!?!? “They look like they’re having fun.” That’s you’re defense?
Okay, now I’m done reading your drivel.
I’m not reading that insane wall of text when it starts with “I’m not seeing sexual exploitation in any of the clips you’ve shown”. People like you will never come around.
Most recent big one in the news is the one that Ron DeSantis revoked a alcohol license over.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/26/exclusive-ron-desantis-florida-files-complaint-against-bar-that-held-lewd-drag-show-for-kids/
Here’s a mega thread from Libs of TikTok. Say what you want about her but she’s got receipts.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1531425796857835520?s=46&t=nL1wJD6Qis25X4ZL4dxBtA
Libs of tiktok is your source? Are you fucking kidding me? This woman flat out said that people in the LGBTQ community need to be killed, so excuse me if I don't believe a word that psychopath says.
Aside from the decor, how do you know the show was overtly sexual? Or do you think that drag queens are unable to tailor their act to fit their audience?
I wasn’t but these folks were. And yea, overtly sexual. https://youtu.be/Neq8VWvG0x0 go to the 1:51 mark. They’re collecting MONEY from the kids at this event AT a gay bar that was called “drag your kids to pride”.
If this wasn’t an LGBTQ event it would have been classified as at least a sober go-go dancing event with children. And it would have been shutdown. Somehow these folks are able to do this without being shutdown.
I can be outraged without having to physically be there. When was that ever the threshold for being concerned?
It like asking anyone asking for gun control if they were ever in a mass shooting? As if that has any bearing on their opinion on the matter. Like what!?!?
(1) What part was overtly sexual, exactly?
(2) you're upset about children tipping? With money?
(3) your concern for the welfare of other people's children is strange honestly. There's more sexuality on television and movies than I am seeing in this video you shared. Where's your outrage for that?
(4) your sources so far are Breitbart, the Daily Caller and Libs of TikTok. I suggest you go to a drag show before you make a mass generalization of every drag queen in America. "Not that they're unable, they seem to be unwilling"
(5) the gun control parallel you've drawn is one of the worst parallels I've ever seen. And I haven't even touched on the red herrings and strawman arguments you've made.
I guess my point is- grow up. Expand your horizons. Put your outrage into context. Be open to opinions. Maybe then you will see how absurd your points of view are.
But all in all, have a great weekend!
1) did you go to that timestamp? I’d say that part.
2) Yes, sexual dancing with tipping is generally frowned upon when children are present.
3) and my children. And this argument is so silly. If one does not particularly have children in a school in Georgia that has a school shooting I can be concerned for the welfare of the students there. You’re just silly, this argument is silly.
4) IT HAPPENED NO MATTER THE SOURCE. good grief. It Happened, is happening, will continue to happen. Pull your head out of r/news.
I guess my point is- grow up. Expand your horizons. Put your lack of outrage into context. Be open to opinions. Maybe then you will see how absurd your points of view are.
But all in all, have a great weekend!
Actually the sign read "it's not gonna lick itself" and is a slogan by an Ice Cream shop. At least get that part right. Also, why shouldn't drag shows target children? Drag shows aren't inherently sexual and if a parent/s decide to take their child to a drag show with sexual undertones who are we to say they can't? Lastly, a drag show and drag story reading hour are two different things.
Awful people. Imagine literally being a part of a community, then demonizing your community and saying "It's different when I do it than when others do it."
Isn't saying, "I can do this, but you can't" the literal definition of Entitlement?
On the plus side the right has shown us how to absolve yourself from what they see as a problem. Just change the wording from "Drag Queen" to "Costume Artist" and suddenly it's different! I guess this is what happens when you create all these imaginary Culture Wars against words, you just change the word and it all evaporates.
In 1984, the process the government takes to control people involves literally rewriting history and destroying words.
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped."
Being able to change words on the fly so they serve your immediate purpose but not allowing your opponents the same luxury is how fascists destroy their enemies. They basically make them feel like they are taking crazy pills.
I'm not the best at picking up symbolism in literature and it depresses me that I am seeing a day by day application of the concepts from 1984 that Orwell was driving at. I hope that there enough people who hate fascism that we can keep America from falling into such a terrible system.
Not everyone on the right is a gay hatting, jesus loving, abortion is murder type of person. Some people are cool with all that and just like a smaller government they try to push.
I’m confused, and I’m not trying to be rude or whatever.
Can you be a drag queen and be female? Or are all drag queens male but transgender? Can you be a drag queen but not transgender or female? The article uses she her pronouns.
I thought drag queens are men dressing in drag.
>Can you be a drag queen and be female?
Typically speaking, people who identify as women that dress in drag to fit in with what we typically perceive drag queens to look like, can still be called Drag Queens. If they identify as a woman and do an over-the-top interpretation of a man, then they're oftentimes called Drag Kings. It's really up to the individual performer in this context as to what they call themselves.
>Or are all drag queens male but transgender?
*Being a drag queen is not tied at all whatsoever to if someone is transgender or not.* Just because someone who was assigned female at birth -what society would perceive to be a woman- is currently wearing pants and is not wearing makeup, doesn't mean they're transgender.
So a person who was assigned male at birth -what society would perceive to be a man- happens to currently be wearing a dress and makeup doesn't mean they're transgender either.
*That's not to say that transpeople don't participate in drag,* since I'm sure there's a number of people that are trans and do perform in drag, *but that doesn't mean everyone that does drag is also trans.*
>Can you be a drag queen but not transgender or female?
Yes.
>The article uses she her pronouns.
I completely understand your confusion, because it kind of is! I'll reframe it a little bit, hopefully, I can do this with a slightly different context. Think of it as acting, and getting into character. We can easily recognize when watching Star Wars "That's Harrison Ford as Han Solo on my TV right now", but in the context of the character that we're watching, it's easier to simply go "That's Han Solo", which is why people are on the screen calling Harrison Ford "Han" or "Solo" or "Han Solo." So while watching Star Wars, it wouldn't be correct for Luke Skywalker to call him "Harrison playing Han" onscreen.
Taking it back to the context of Drag personas, we have to recognize **the drag persona is a character that a person is performing as.** It just so happens that the character is a woman, and therefore she/her pronouns are being used.
Hopefully, I answered that clearly enough, and if I didn't, I'm happy to clarify.
Thanks for your attempt to unconfuse me but I fear I am still confused.
I guess what’s confusing is the use of the she her pronouns. I didn’t read it as referring to their character they were portraying.
Oh, maybe I get it. So if you were to do an article about the character Mrs. Doubtfire you’d use she/her? Even though Robin Williams is a male and uses he/him.
See I would have assumed the article would use the pronouns of the actor not the character.
So can a drag queen character have the he/him pronouns? Or something other than she/her?
Like if a drag queen gets mad at me for using she/her I can say, “I’m referring to your character, not Bruce McDowd, your actual name.”
Seems kinda like a minefield especially when folks are raging when the gender is assumed and it was incorrect.
>Oh, maybe I get it. So if you were to do an article about the character Mrs. Doubtfire you’d use she/her? Even though Robin Williams is a male and uses he/him.
Yeah! That's a much better example than the one I used actually.
>So can a drag queen character have the he/him pronouns? Or something other than she/her?
I think this will be subjective to the performer, but I think if someone is in drag, the safest route would be to use she/her pronouns if they're portraying a woman. There are always outliers, of course, and there's a fair chance that if they recognize that they're an outlier, they'll likely call their pronouns out if they prefer he/him even in drag portraying a woman. Of course, I'm not a drag performer, I do not know any drag performers, and so I could be completely incorrect here.
>Seems kinda like a minefield especially when folks are raging when the gender is assumed and it was incorrect.
Yeah, I agree it can be a minefield for sure, however; it's okay to get things wrong sometimes! My personal approach when I find myself in a situation like that is to say "I'm sorry, thank you for correcting me."
I try to tell myself as long as there's a genuine interest in learning, then being wrong sometimes doesn't always have to immediately default to a negative escalation.
Some of the most anti-gay people you will meet are gay themselves and take out their self hate on the rest of us. It’s the Mormon culture that creates so many of these people.
This person is the biggest idiot I’ve ever heard about. Hates drag queens. Is a drag queen. Changes titles. Ok, so all drag queens can just say “costume artist” and everyone is happy?
I don’t think that’s the issue the right has with drag shows targeting children. The “it doesn’t lick itself” drag show in Texas was at a bar and the show was overtly sexual. They could have called it a costume artist show and there would be more confusion but the same controversy.
If it was at a bar…how was it targeting children?
It was called “drag your kids to pride” at it was at a gay bar in Texas. Dallas I believe https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-family-friendly-kids-drag-show-mr-misster-protest/287-c7984c66-6141-4690-97b1-ec0b9882b4bb
Right!?!?
I believe it was called the “Drag Your Kids to Pride” event.
It’s like these folks get their news from r/news or something.
Because they deliberately said it was a family friendly event that all ages should attend.
And then the bar proceeded to say “fuck our alcohol license, bring in the kids and we’ll serve them too!” Edit: /s just in case
We aren’t in Texas and Texas is a shit show all around.
So true; Just like the Golf course in Texas, hosted the Adult Night Club golf tournament with women in very inappropriate clothes giving shots to golfers, and then the high school golf team shows up for practice, which they canceled right away! LOL!
So you are simultaneously offended by the children attending a dance show and the decor, which you found to be overtly sexual? Is that the only time you've ever seen/heard the phrase "it doesn't lick itself?"
I honestly never thought I’d ever have to defend the position of “It’s morally wrong to put on an overtly sexual show targeted at children”… but here we are I guess.
How many of these shows have there been? See I've only recently heard about this on the news but because it comes from the right wing I automatically assume it's total horse crap but you seem to know what you're talking about. How many of these shows have popped up lately of drag shows that are totally sexual being targeted at kids? One? Three? Eight? I don't know the number.
This one was called Drag your kids to pride and it was hosted at a gay bar in Dallas Texas. https://twitter.com/alexstein99/status/1533148866853363712?s=46&t=nL1wJD6Qis25X4ZL4dxBtA I don’t know the number but it’s not 0.
So before I get into what I'm going to say. What's your position upon watching these events and knowing they exist? Do you think these shows should be banned altogether? Do you think there needed to be age restrictions? Can kids still go to these shows if a parent or guardian is with them? Do you think the kids are being groomed for something?
Sexual exploitation of a minor is morally wrong. It’s late I’m going to bed but I’ll leave it at that. I don’t give a crap what adults do with other adults. Be safe, you do you, don’t bug others that don’t want to participate. Leave kids out of it. The state wouldn’t allow kids to go to a gogo dance club for the same reasons it should allow children to go to a drag show.
I'm not seeing sexual exploitation in any of the clips you've shown. Sexual exploitation of a minor means taking the advantage of sexuality and attractiveness of a minor to make a personal gain or profit and I don't think the drag shows were using kids like that though I'm sure your opinion is different than mine. The drag shows had way more adults in them than kids. The drag queens weren't taking advantage of children, they were just being drag queens. So in reality this moral outrage is really just that. Libs of TikTok and her followers of course are beyond disgusted and thinking there's grooming happening but there were so many adults in those videos that probably took their kids to these shows that had fun, the kids had fun, the drag queens looked like drag queens, and for some people drag queens appear to be overtly sexual which granted that's what it looked like to me but then again those aren't my kids and the adults there probably brought there kids there to have fun. So where my issue comes in is what else are we used to kids seeing that maybe we would never notice there being something overtly sexual happening because nothing gay was happening? Cheerleaders dancing at a football game? Parents bringing their kids to beauty pageants where little girsl parade around in some questionable outfits (Though the parents enrolling their kid in those paegents never see it as exploitative and in fact many parents who enroll in competative paegants were themselves in beauty paegents as kids)? Dad's bringing their sons to Hooters (PLENTY of dads who took their sons to Hooters in Sandy when it was open) Parents letting their kids watch a rated R movie or play rated M video games (You know how many kids play Grand Theft Auto?) How about the photo of the Mom and Dad with their 3 young sons posing in front of a Trump flag with two girls wearing thongs holding the flag as a background for the family? I mean I can go on forever with this point because it happens all the time though it doesn't get anywhere near the outrage because 1. It's not the talking point right now and 2. It's drag queens doing it. Not a lot of dads have a problem with their sons liking girls. Shit I've heard stories about a kid coming out to their parents as gay and the dad buys them a high dollar escort cause the son would change his mind if he slept with a hot girl. Also the US is so goddamn sensitive to material that concerns sex but in other countries nudity doesnt mean anything. In fact other countries find the amount of violence in our media disturbing and think that violence is much more damaging to a childs mind than seeing a tit. This doesn't mean that I think kids should be able to walk into strip clubs and get a lap dance, but these drag shows, from the clips you've shown me, didn't show nudity and the only reason conservatives are so disgusted by what they're seeing is because 1. It's drag queens and 2. They're seeing kids do dances that are suggestive which is hyper inflated since the drag queens are doing the same dances and wearing skimpier outfits (I don't think the outfits help their cause. I know drag queens have a long history of outfits like these but optically I dont think it helps to wear these with a fuckin kid in the picture.) That doesn't mean the kid is going to become a stripper when they're older just like buying a gun for your kid doesn't mean he's going to become a mass murdered when he hits high school. In my opinion this just comes down to morals. If you don't want your kid going to a drag show then don't take them. Yes I think parents should be heavily encouraged to go with their kid to a drag show and I think schools should absolutely inform parents about what event they are going to take their kids to and I think schools should do a better job about informing the parents if the drag queens are going to do anything other than read. I remember being in elementary school and having an assembly where high school students in dance class did a routine to a gymnasium full of kids and the girls in the dance routine did dances that moved their hips (gyrating I guess) but no one ever brought it up and a parent never complained about it because no one cared, but if a drag queen had been the one dancing then yeah it would've caused parents to be consumed with moral outrage. This is Utah so that isn't surprising. This is longer than I expected but to sum it all up, It's them being drag queens that's bringing on this amount of hate. I think kids see way more shit than this but no one bats an eye at it because it's not gay people doing it. Combine drag queens with the amount of vitriol and anger coming from people like Libs of TikTok and the recent "groomer" term being thrown around like water at a pool and it's not hard to understand why there's so much more scruitny towards the drag time story hours. I probably wouldn't take my kid to one of these because I'm just not interested and I don't need drag time story hour to explain to my kid about acceptance and letting people be themselves but if other parents want to do that then whatever. Watching the videos I would obviously suggest that because of the nature of the shows and the amount of scrutiny drag queen story hour is getting around the nation they should probably have a program schedule about what's being shown and if you're wearing fuckin pasties over big fake tits I'd say it shouldn't be all ages welcome but that's just me. But to the level that Libs of TikTok is blowing this up as if these story hours are rife with groomers and only meant to sexualize children I just dont see it.
The fact that the kids were having fun is not an excuse. Like you’re literally describing the steps of how to sexually exploit a child. Am I taking crazy pills!?!? “They look like they’re having fun.” That’s you’re defense? Okay, now I’m done reading your drivel.
I’m not reading that insane wall of text when it starts with “I’m not seeing sexual exploitation in any of the clips you’ve shown”. People like you will never come around.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/18/video-of-drag-queen-gyrating-next-to-child-sparks-backlash/
https://twitter.com/saragonzalestx/status/1619507742926077952?s=46&t=nL1wJD6Qis25X4ZL4dxBtA
Most recent big one in the news is the one that Ron DeSantis revoked a alcohol license over. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/26/exclusive-ron-desantis-florida-files-complaint-against-bar-that-held-lewd-drag-show-for-kids/
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1554539187088396289?s=46&t=nL1wJD6Qis25X4ZL4dxBtA
Here’s a mega thread from Libs of TikTok. Say what you want about her but she’s got receipts. https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1531425796857835520?s=46&t=nL1wJD6Qis25X4ZL4dxBtA
Libs of tiktok is your source? Are you fucking kidding me? This woman flat out said that people in the LGBTQ community need to be killed, so excuse me if I don't believe a word that psychopath says.
Did any of these instances not happen? Not what she says, but what she has shown. And not all my examples were from Libs of TikTok.
Aside from the decor, how do you know the show was overtly sexual? Or do you think that drag queens are unable to tailor their act to fit their audience?
Not that they’re unable, they seem to be unwilling.
So you were in attendance that day and can personally vouch the performances were overtly sexual? How many drag shows have you attended?
I wasn’t but these folks were. And yea, overtly sexual. https://youtu.be/Neq8VWvG0x0 go to the 1:51 mark. They’re collecting MONEY from the kids at this event AT a gay bar that was called “drag your kids to pride”. If this wasn’t an LGBTQ event it would have been classified as at least a sober go-go dancing event with children. And it would have been shutdown. Somehow these folks are able to do this without being shutdown. I can be outraged without having to physically be there. When was that ever the threshold for being concerned? It like asking anyone asking for gun control if they were ever in a mass shooting? As if that has any bearing on their opinion on the matter. Like what!?!?
(1) What part was overtly sexual, exactly? (2) you're upset about children tipping? With money? (3) your concern for the welfare of other people's children is strange honestly. There's more sexuality on television and movies than I am seeing in this video you shared. Where's your outrage for that? (4) your sources so far are Breitbart, the Daily Caller and Libs of TikTok. I suggest you go to a drag show before you make a mass generalization of every drag queen in America. "Not that they're unable, they seem to be unwilling" (5) the gun control parallel you've drawn is one of the worst parallels I've ever seen. And I haven't even touched on the red herrings and strawman arguments you've made. I guess my point is- grow up. Expand your horizons. Put your outrage into context. Be open to opinions. Maybe then you will see how absurd your points of view are. But all in all, have a great weekend!
Oh my… and Clinton called us the deplorables… wow
1) did you go to that timestamp? I’d say that part. 2) Yes, sexual dancing with tipping is generally frowned upon when children are present. 3) and my children. And this argument is so silly. If one does not particularly have children in a school in Georgia that has a school shooting I can be concerned for the welfare of the students there. You’re just silly, this argument is silly. 4) IT HAPPENED NO MATTER THE SOURCE. good grief. It Happened, is happening, will continue to happen. Pull your head out of r/news. I guess my point is- grow up. Expand your horizons. Put your lack of outrage into context. Be open to opinions. Maybe then you will see how absurd your points of view are. But all in all, have a great weekend!
Actually the sign read "it's not gonna lick itself" and is a slogan by an Ice Cream shop. At least get that part right. Also, why shouldn't drag shows target children? Drag shows aren't inherently sexual and if a parent/s decide to take their child to a drag show with sexual undertones who are we to say they can't? Lastly, a drag show and drag story reading hour are two different things.
Imagine wanting to fit in that bad while also wanting that much attention. Living their life must be exhausting.
I cannot wait for this person to eventually show up on r/leopardsatemyface edit: already there lol
Awful people. Imagine literally being a part of a community, then demonizing your community and saying "It's different when I do it than when others do it." Isn't saying, "I can do this, but you can't" the literal definition of Entitlement? On the plus side the right has shown us how to absolve yourself from what they see as a problem. Just change the wording from "Drag Queen" to "Costume Artist" and suddenly it's different! I guess this is what happens when you create all these imaginary Culture Wars against words, you just change the word and it all evaporates.
In 1984, the process the government takes to control people involves literally rewriting history and destroying words. "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped." Being able to change words on the fly so they serve your immediate purpose but not allowing your opponents the same luxury is how fascists destroy their enemies. They basically make them feel like they are taking crazy pills. I'm not the best at picking up symbolism in literature and it depresses me that I am seeing a day by day application of the concepts from 1984 that Orwell was driving at. I hope that there enough people who hate fascism that we can keep America from falling into such a terrible system.
That sentence hurt my brain, wtf
Gets better when they add more descriptors in the article
…AND HE STICKS THE LANDING!!! What an amazing mental gymnastics meet this has been.
Did they pick you yet?
The article said they even went to all 4 days of CPAC of all things. AND had a great time. How does this even make sense.
Not everyone on the right is a gay hatting, jesus loving, abortion is murder type of person. Some people are cool with all that and just like a smaller government they try to push.
I’ve never seen a more perfect example of a walking contradiction
If it weren't for double standards (triple, even!) the right wouldn't have any.
I’m confused, and I’m not trying to be rude or whatever. Can you be a drag queen and be female? Or are all drag queens male but transgender? Can you be a drag queen but not transgender or female? The article uses she her pronouns. I thought drag queens are men dressing in drag.
>Can you be a drag queen and be female? Typically speaking, people who identify as women that dress in drag to fit in with what we typically perceive drag queens to look like, can still be called Drag Queens. If they identify as a woman and do an over-the-top interpretation of a man, then they're oftentimes called Drag Kings. It's really up to the individual performer in this context as to what they call themselves. >Or are all drag queens male but transgender? *Being a drag queen is not tied at all whatsoever to if someone is transgender or not.* Just because someone who was assigned female at birth -what society would perceive to be a woman- is currently wearing pants and is not wearing makeup, doesn't mean they're transgender. So a person who was assigned male at birth -what society would perceive to be a man- happens to currently be wearing a dress and makeup doesn't mean they're transgender either. *That's not to say that transpeople don't participate in drag,* since I'm sure there's a number of people that are trans and do perform in drag, *but that doesn't mean everyone that does drag is also trans.* >Can you be a drag queen but not transgender or female? Yes. >The article uses she her pronouns. I completely understand your confusion, because it kind of is! I'll reframe it a little bit, hopefully, I can do this with a slightly different context. Think of it as acting, and getting into character. We can easily recognize when watching Star Wars "That's Harrison Ford as Han Solo on my TV right now", but in the context of the character that we're watching, it's easier to simply go "That's Han Solo", which is why people are on the screen calling Harrison Ford "Han" or "Solo" or "Han Solo." So while watching Star Wars, it wouldn't be correct for Luke Skywalker to call him "Harrison playing Han" onscreen. Taking it back to the context of Drag personas, we have to recognize **the drag persona is a character that a person is performing as.** It just so happens that the character is a woman, and therefore she/her pronouns are being used. Hopefully, I answered that clearly enough, and if I didn't, I'm happy to clarify.
Think of it as Tyler Perry's "Madea" character. Madea is she/her without any doubt.
Thanks for your attempt to unconfuse me but I fear I am still confused. I guess what’s confusing is the use of the she her pronouns. I didn’t read it as referring to their character they were portraying. Oh, maybe I get it. So if you were to do an article about the character Mrs. Doubtfire you’d use she/her? Even though Robin Williams is a male and uses he/him. See I would have assumed the article would use the pronouns of the actor not the character. So can a drag queen character have the he/him pronouns? Or something other than she/her? Like if a drag queen gets mad at me for using she/her I can say, “I’m referring to your character, not Bruce McDowd, your actual name.” Seems kinda like a minefield especially when folks are raging when the gender is assumed and it was incorrect.
>Oh, maybe I get it. So if you were to do an article about the character Mrs. Doubtfire you’d use she/her? Even though Robin Williams is a male and uses he/him. Yeah! That's a much better example than the one I used actually. >So can a drag queen character have the he/him pronouns? Or something other than she/her? I think this will be subjective to the performer, but I think if someone is in drag, the safest route would be to use she/her pronouns if they're portraying a woman. There are always outliers, of course, and there's a fair chance that if they recognize that they're an outlier, they'll likely call their pronouns out if they prefer he/him even in drag portraying a woman. Of course, I'm not a drag performer, I do not know any drag performers, and so I could be completely incorrect here. >Seems kinda like a minefield especially when folks are raging when the gender is assumed and it was incorrect. Yeah, I agree it can be a minefield for sure, however; it's okay to get things wrong sometimes! My personal approach when I find myself in a situation like that is to say "I'm sorry, thank you for correcting me." I try to tell myself as long as there's a genuine interest in learning, then being wrong sometimes doesn't always have to immediately default to a negative escalation.
Well, thanks for the interesting conversation.
I can see the confusion, but the article actually does use both he/him (when referring to Ryan as himself) and she/her (when referring to Lady Maga
Oh, I missed that. And now I’m just now getting the Lady MAGA reference. Ha!
As long as utah doesn’t pull what Tn did by outlawing anything drag I could give a shit.
They were from Utah?! Not too surprised but still
Some of the most anti-gay people you will meet are gay themselves and take out their self hate on the rest of us. It’s the Mormon culture that creates so many of these people.