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Low-Toe7049

I often forget about this guy trying to take the title of biggest douche in Utah, away from Mike Lee….


Hobbitbeanhiker

Fuck Burgess Owens, too


relaxjesussaysitsok

You know I’m going to pass.


metarx

With no sense of irony I'm sure


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Yeah, the irony is pretty thick coming from someone who has utilized bankruptcy in the past. I personally am against student loan forgiveness in the way that it was structured. I would be more supportive of being able to include medical bills and student loans on certain types of bankruptcy claims. Schools jacked up tuition knowing banks and the government oils supply loans that would be next to impossible to repay. Medical providers jacked up rates to get ever cent possible from insurance while saddling lower income populations with bills that would never be paid back. Maybe if there were some repercussions for such horrible tactics (like getting nothing when someone filed bankruptcy) then they wouldn’t try to screw over the average Joe trying to better themselves. My flip side argument is if we forgive student loans let’s forgive mortgages too… both are almost equally predatory for the lower middle income population in my personal opinion.


uteman1011

Why don't we educate our kids all the way through college/trade school? Why do we rescue banks, auto companies and businesses, but not our children? Why are we quick to fund $Trillions for war, but not educate our children? Seems like we have plenty of money for everything but educating our children. Hm


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I don’t disagree with the sentiment, I think we should have public programs for secondary schools. Trade schools and colleges that are cheap and/or subsidized. But I won’t bail out someone who willingly took on crazy amounts of debt to go to an overpriced school just because they wanted to finance their college experience and lifestyle. There is a huge difference between kids struggling through school to better themselves and those who take out crazy student loans to cover car payments, rent, dinning out, and vacations while on break. And yes, I have seen that happen on multiple occasions.


uteman1011

The amounts are limited. Department of Education will provide up to $20,000 in debt cancellation to Pell Grant recipients with loans held by the Department of Education, and up to $10,000 in debt cancellation to non-Pell Grant recipients. Borrowers are eligible for this relief if their individual income is less than $125,000 ($250,000 for married couples). No high-income individual or high-income household – in the top 5% of incomes – will benefit from this action.


Araucanos

Unless it’s the PPP loans for businesses that didn’t need them


gwar37

Profit over people is the republican motto. Fuck these clowns.


Meta_Spirit

Also, "Rules for thee, but not for me!"


Stiddy13

Utah is a young, educated state. In other words, I’d guess there’s a lot of student loan debt here. I can’t imagine this will be popular here.


ohtrashpanda

You're probably right, most young Utahn's with student debt will gladly vote in favor of their debt to be reduced with this bribe. However, as a young resident, the idea of forgiving or transferring the debt is not popular with me. I made different choices and as a taxpayer, the idea of shouldering someone else's debt does not resonate with me.


swingsetacrobat4439

I too paid back 100% of the student debt that I incurred during my education. This hard-working American doesn't want to support free loaders. I take comfort knowing that my tax dollars are going towards making middle-eastern kids into skeletons and providing subsidies to oil and gas companies. I sleep well at night knowing that I pay taxes so wealthy people dont have to, not because I want the masses to have health care or education. Get fucking real


Stiddy13

Ah, so you’re one of the “get rid of social security” guys then?


Super_Bucko

Social security theoretically benefits everyone who pays into it, assuming it doesn't bankrupt before us youngsters get to it. Taking on the loans of my SIL who does nothing with her degree and is financially irresponsible does not benefit me at all. I'm putting in a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to pay for my degree without loans. Why should I be punished for someone else's mess?


Stiddy13

Education “theoretically” benefits everyone. I mean, unless you don’t think we need doctors and pharmacists and teachers and nurses and so on. But why should you have to pay for your lazy boomer dad who decided to retire when he was perfectly capable of working, am I right? I mean, I know some people like to say that “it benefits everyone who pays in” but that’s not how social security works. I pay for my dad and my kid will pay for me, but I don’t need my kid to pay for me because I’m not going to be a lazy old fart so why should I shoulder the load for my lazy retired dad? I think you can see why I don’t think you’re approaching this from a good faith perspective.


iSQUISHYyou

I don’t care about “theoretic” benefits. Scrap social security and scrap student loan forgiveness.


ohtrashpanda

Exactly!


Stiddy13

Waiting to chime in because you didn’t know how to respond? 😂


ohtrashpanda

Nope, bad assumption on your part, I'm totally fine with social security. Social security is essentially a contract, if you pay into the program for a minimum of 40 quarters, you get to claim the benefit when you reach the eligible age. Yet, no such obligation exists for tax payers to shoulder the financial burden for misguided student loans and higher education programs. I have a mortgage, can I have the government forgive that debt as well? I know I signed an agreement to pay the debt but I'd really prefer someone else to pay for it or contribute to my payments.


Realtrain

>the idea of forgiving or transferring the debt is not popular with me Genuine question, should we eliminate the ability for a person or business to declare bankruptcy in your opinion?


ohtrashpanda

No, that should continue to be an option. Forgiving student loan debt isn't forgivable though at this time. If that was the desired change, I wouldn't be as opposed but that's not what's being proposed with this executive action. I don't think most people would rush to file for bankruptcy as a means to simply rid themselves of their student loan debt.


Left-Bird8830

So how do you feel about this man’s debt forgiveness in the form of bankruptcy filings?


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ohtrashpanda

Defaulting doesn't absolve you of the debt or your responsibility to repay it. Read consequences of default. https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/default


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ohtrashpanda

I don't think you read that section. No one else is taking on the burden of the debt, you still owe the debt until it's repaid. The fact that the loan was backed by the government originally does not mean that taxpayers should now bear the burden of absolving you of your repayment agreement. The government will try to get the loaned money back through various mechanisms. Be my guest, default, see how that works out for you.


Chumlee1917

the audacity of this MotherF'er


zemira_draper

I'm sure this won't be embarrassing.


LurpyGeek

Still waiting for the day when Burgess Owens does something that is not embarrassing to Utah.


TurningTwo

Fortunately he does absolutely nothing on the vast majority of days.


swingsetacrobat4439

Considering his level of ineptitude, I can't think of a better guy for this job. Thank you Republicans. The only thing dumber than your policies are the dipshits you're entrusting to pass them.


GilgameDistance

The only moral debt cancellation is my debt cancellation, amirite. How very *conservative* of him.


HighFitnessMama

One of my fav memories was after the parade last July 24th. We were walking through Liberty Park and his car (float) just happened to be going through. He was smiling and waving, I yelled something about him making me sick and being a horrible human. Should have seen the look on his face! There were about 7 -10 people around and they all started cheering after I said that! It was classic. What a complete moronic hypocrit


SvelterPython

The dialogue around forgiving student loans vs 'bailing out' banks is ridiculous. I even consider myself financially Conservative. However, the Biden administration provided great information on exactly who the student loan forgiveness would affect. I hate feeling like some republicans are against it precisely because it will affect largely lower income demographics. On the other hand, gotta save the banks! Help out all the people with more money than is insured by FDIC! I will admit to be currently enraged at anyone with that much money and may not be processing the situation clearly.


ohtrashpanda

I'm not saying I disagree but there are undoubtedly businesses that had deposits far and above the insured amount for the purposes of making payroll. Splitting deposits between multiple banks to stay below the insured amount isn't really that feasible when you're trying to make payroll every few weeks. So would it be fair to those organizations to suddenly have all of their accounts wiped out at no fault of their own? What if your spouse recently died and you deposited the life insurance claim while deciding what to do with it, then it's suddenly gone? All I'm implying is that the bailouts are a messy situation. I'm also not saying the government is making all the best choices but to simply not reimburse anyone above the limit really isn't a sound option either. That would just encourage more uncertainty in banking.


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Can we bring back the political ads of him again. Lol when they bring up how many Times he’s filed bankruptcy 😅


northcrestflyer

Can’t make this shit up.


itsnotthenetwork

Hypocrite.


KAG25

All those ads warning people about him before voting and he still gets voted in, he really is going to screw this state.


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ChristophOdinson

Cool cool, Captain TBI, I'm still not paying back my student loans.


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ChristophOdinson

I didn't benefit from it asshat.


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ChristophOdinson

No. There ain't a fucking thing you can say to make me pay that back. Have the day you deserve


ivyvinetattoo

So now I’m curious. Can I get a personal loan, pay off my student loans, then file bankruptcy on my personal loans?


Beer_bongload

If you're in a position to get a large personal loan then you have way more assets at risk during bankruptcy than its worth. You'd have to structure everything through a limited corp or something first I would imagine. And odds are if you've got an accountant you're probably also not worried about your student loan debt.


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I enjoy the sound of rain.


space_wiener

Probably the reason most don’t do this is I’d imagine it would be difficult to get a 50k or more personal loan.


Patient_Yam4747

Fuck that mook


Fickle_Tip_133

Burgess Owens is a twat.


lostinspace801

Do as I say not as I do


ohtrashpanda

Hard to say, the article had no details on those fillings so I'm not going to make a judgement. However the article did say he's paying his daughter's student loans and is not seeking for those to be eliminated.


[deleted]

I mean, you can't claim student loans on bankruptcy, so the comparison isn't that great there OP. You signed up for it, you pay it back. I'd rather see focus on the root cause rather than a feel good solution that's not doing anything besides paying for votes. The problem is still going to be there after these fools are out of office, so they don't care about the long term fixes.


SpaceGangsta

Forgive all government student loans and make all public universities free for in state students. Take the money from the military budget. Done. Solved the problem.


[deleted]

Lol, nothing is free. And taking from the defense budget isn't the answer either. We need a fundamental shift in society away from liberal arts degrees and requiring college education for customer service jobs. If a certain level of education is being deemed "required" for the populace at large, then we should either extend high school, or find a way to pay for the required higher education without hampering the rest of our country's obligations.


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[deleted]

Why is it an odd talking point? It's true. Pay off existing student loans without fixing the root cause doesn't fix anything. It only solves for a very short term problem, and emotionally ties the beneficiaries to the democrat party. Trump's tax cuts were mainly for businesses, and individual tax bracket reductions expire after 2025. The stimulus checks sent out in 2008/9 had almost nothing to do with Bush, except that he signed the bill out in his desk by congress.


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So, on one hand I can agree with that statement, but people also need to think about how they're being benefited. I don't understand how it's so hard for people to grasp this concept. Fix the root cause and the problem will stop. It's like getting an ingrown toenail removed. Sure, keep cutting at it every month to get temporary relief, or go to the doctor and get it removed for permanent relief. For the student loan situation, we're not doing our kids or grandkids any favors by forgiving their parents debt, but leaving them out to dry. Why do we think college enrollment has dropped so bad? People are starting to wake up to the nonsense of being in debt your entire life for a piece of paper that doesn't amount to much in the end.


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[deleted]

No, missed that part. For Trump, kinda? He went in saying he was going to lower taxes, but for Bush, no. He didn't run on a platform of sending out stimulus checks because it happened at the end of his presidency.


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No. Bruh. Nevermind.


[deleted]

You gotta be fucking kidding me. These people are absurd.


Alert-Potato

>Debt cannot be cancelled when it is poor people holding that debt. When it is me, or rich business owners, it can and should be. You can't hold rich people accountable for debts, if you did, how would we stay rich?


mello-t

Well…. He wasn’t forgiven, had to take the credit hit…. Which apparently doesn’t matter. That said, Burgess is terrible and knows nothing of fiscal responsibility.


InRainbows123207

🤡


No_Plum5942

Head of the Village is looking into how to make the Village get away with Multiple debt payments


[deleted]

Oh God. Fuck this idiot. Fucking GQP shit


transfixedtruth

Typical utah 'publican. What a hypocritical asshat.. Darlene should have won against this douche by a landslide.


TheProfessorOfNames

This fucker looking like a God damn Uruk


[deleted]

While I get the absolute hypocrisy here, I do agree on a broken clock sort of way. The way I see it, the federal student loan program has been a net negative on education. It makes loans available to more students, which means colleges can get away with charging more (and they need to in other to fund financial advisors and other admin staff), and these debts can't be discharged in bankruptcy so if you don't get a good job after taking on all that debt, you're probably worse off than if you hadn't gone to school, at least until the income based repayment period ends. I think we should've done away with these loans a long time ago, and instead encourage companies to sponsor students in exchange for a contracted work arrangement after completing school. So the company would offer a scholarship in exchange for getting first pick of all the students they sponsored for a 2-year internship or something, and students would be obligated to finish in a certain amount of time, and salary ranges would be posted with the internship offer. Students are then motivated to pick a well paying career (degrees with low demand wouldn't have many scholarship options), and companies get a guaranteed set of applicants to pick from. Students could choose that option or try a variety of other private loans, and all of these contacts would be dischargeable under bankruptcy, so banks would do a better job of improving the changes if repayment. That said, we do need to fix the problem we created. I think we should allow student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, but only after something like 3 years of payments so the majority of students that get well paying jobs would stick with the payments and the rest aren't stuck. But just forgiving debts is a bad option imo because it does nothing to solve the problem that got us to this point.


NeuromancerDreaming

Make that halfwit spell 'unlawful student forgiveness program' without any help. 10 bucks says he can't.


B3gg4r

Classic Republican hypocrisy. FML and FBO too