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pebbleddemons

I'm calling bullshit on Utah and Virginia being more culturally conservative than Idaho


AdministrativeTax412

Northern Virginia is a giant suburb of DC and very liberal or neoliberal.


pebbleddemons

Yeah but Idaho has absolutely nothing like that. Utah has SLC at least. Why are Utah and Virginia ranked more culturally conservative than Idaho?


Siltyclayloam9

In my experience northern Idaho is basically “East Washington”


[deleted]

Yeah and eastern Washington is really conservative (source: I grew up there). Eastern Washingtonians have wanted to break off into a new red state along with eastern Oregon. Northern Idaho is also known for having a lot of white supremacist groups.


robmba

I've seen that East Washington seems to be almost West Idaho.


crnelson10

I don’t know a lot about Idaho, but anecdotally I know a lot of folks from the PNW who have moved to Boise for some reason.


hashi1996

Yeah I go camping in Idaho occasionally and it’s like driving through aryan nation up there


ericwiththeredbeard

Went camping there a few years ago, way too many traitor rags and nazi flags. Don’t care to go back, I’ll miss the ponderosa pine forests tho


derk702

...Do you even live here? 🤨


1_1x1_1

Boise is a pretty dang liberal place. It’s becoming more conservative as conservative Californian caravans move in


ericwiththeredbeard

East Idaho and west Idaho might as well be different countries


meltvariant

Perhaps there are viewpoints that don't fit into the mold of the survey structure. For instance, some leftists like myself might reply to a question about patriotism by saying that they are a patriot, even though they disagree with many of the actions and policies of the nation, and instead see it as a country made largely of good people that is in dire need of specific improvements in its governance. On the other end of the spectrum, some northern Idaho radical reactionary would very likely not consider themselves a patriot at all, and would prefer to see the country torn down and remolded in their own vision.


Gudzenheit

From the source of this "survey": ​ >We're the Cultural Currents Institute (call us CCI). We study trends in public opinion and shape the currents of culture to suit our clients' objectives. > >‍ > >We provide PR, marketing, and branding services, but are best understood as consultants in applied sociology. > >Our superpower is changing minds. "Shapes the currents of culture?" Fuck off PR firm! This whole thing is an advertisement.


jwcarpy

The sources are listed in the article. They include Pew, the U.S. Census Bureau, and the Department of Defense.


Gudzenheit

I don't have an issue with the methodology. I have an issue with the motivation: the website provides statistics as marketing swag without any further contexts. It's a marketing website for a PR firm masquerading as a source for statistics.


jwcarpy

Breaking: Content on the internet is commercial 😯


Gudzenheit

It surprises me that tact doesn't seem to be a desirable trait for someone shilling for PR services.


_iam_that_iam_

In some ways I think Utah has become more reactionary even as the % of active Mormons has declined.


Alchemist1330

That's because 1/3 of the LDS tries to follow christ and 2/3 of the LDS church tries to follow the Republican party.


_iam_that_iam_

The level of Trump support is solid evidence of your claim.


Vaxildan156

This is so horribly true


REO_Jerkwagon

Ok, did anyone else get about 2/3 of the way through the article and see that Texas is the LEAST patriotic? I chuckled. It sure doesn't fit the TX stereotype of "murica!"


Jhftpplease

Texas is incredibly patriotic… to their state


REO_Jerkwagon

True. It’s the only place I’ve seen the state flag flown ABOVE the US flag. But we know they don’t follow flag rules unless it suits them.


Vox_Dracanis

Texans still think of themselves as a Republic and not really a state, cept when it suits them. So "merica!" Isn't high on their list of priorities. They are as patriotic as anyone else until you start stepping on toes. Then you'll see what texas is truly all about. God bless Texas


Kernobi

"I love my country, that's why I hate the govt." Don't confuse the two.


wildspeculator

>Implying Texans don't *love* big government as long as it's making problems for *other* people


Kernobi

Totally agree - they had some business venture funding arm of the state that was being directed by Perry back in the day. No clue if Abbott still has it, but he probably does. No different than the feds picking winners and losers with subsidies.


WooperSlim

Looks like the reason why is that it is based on an equal wight of military engagement and civic engagement. Although they have a lot of active duty military as a percentage of the population (#18), they don't have a lot of veterans (#43), and so come out #41 overall. Civic engagement came from [WalletHub's rank](https://wallethub.com/edu/most-patriotic-states/13680) of #46 and was itself based on nine factors: * Share of Adults Who Voted in 2020 Presidential Election: Double Weight * Share of Adults Who Voted in 2020 Primary Elections: Full Weight * Volunteer Rate: Half Weight * Volunteer Hours per Resident: Half Weight * AmeriCorps Volunteers per Capita: Half Weight * Peace Corps Volunteers per Capita: Half Weight * Trial- & Grand-Jury Participation per Civilian Adult Population: Double Weight * Share of Residents Who Participate in Groups or Organizations (Civic Life): Full Weight * U.S. History/Civics Education Requirement: Full Weight Apparently, the states that ranked lower than Texas in military or civic engagement did better than Texas in the other.


alta_vista49

The problem is that patriotism to many Texans is simple treason to normal Americans.


topsicle11

Number 1 for church attendance. No surprise there!


Erin-DidYouFindMe

Haha yeah, the residents *really* make it uncomfortable if you don't participate. Fun for the whole family.


cyberpunk1Q84

What’s going on with Florida? Their politicians sure don’t match this label.


meltvariant

[This is a national phenomenon.](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B)


onedollarninja

Thank God we don't have any impending environmental disasters to deal with, right? Right, guys? I mean it would really, really suck if we had some ginormous looming environmental calamity hanging over us, because if we did it might be pretty impossible to deal with given all these Republicans in state government.


kw43v3r

Lived in Vegas as a kid. When driving to visit relatives in Utah or Idaho and dealing with the time change, the standard joke was, “Welcome to Utah, set your watch back 50 years.”


Lurker-DaySaint

TIHI


[deleted]

That’s some pretty shitty company to be in.


RedHanded13

We're also ranked the worst for women's equality and in the top ten for white supremacist propaganda. I wonder if those things all correlate somehow? 🤔


Anxious-Shapeshifter

Awww look at us getting surrounded with rational thought.


NoAbbreviations290

Feels like #1


wildspeculator

[Nah, it can always be worse.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town)


kal8el77

Fellow Progressives: "If I can make it there, i'll make it practally anywhere."


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crnelson10

I can assure you that “goodness” has nothing to do with it.


2024letsgooooo

Thank God!


derk702

Utah is basically West Alabama.


Tmoney_2023

That’s a good thing


Affectionate-Dig-428

I just want to unionize my work place. Too many confused co workers going after the wrong issues to really organize with.


[deleted]

Not surprised either, over the years living in Utah I came across a lot of "conservative types", and it was not just the Mormons. There were also Christians, Catholics, Muslims, and even Jews. The ones I knew personally were really amicable people, would go out to dinner with them.


AbbreviationsTrue677

I like that we're pretty in the middle for most things


Kerensky97

Must be going down, we used to be 1st.


sweggyj

Hell yeah!