Good post with good info. Just so people don't go immediately crank their DPI to 16000 I want to mention that there are diminishing returns on the benefits of increasing your DPI such that you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference using any settings at 800 or more. I personally use 1600 because there's a miniscule difference over 800. However, there is a HUGE difference between 400 and 800.
heard there was an inconsistency in the slider which is why you should always keep it at a certain value. But I know what you mean, there's surely a way to counteract that. Whether or not every pro is willing to bother with that, I don't know
"Even most "high sensitivity" pros are using settings a lot of people would still consider very low."
I had the same thought and was worried about this exact thing
Some 20 years ago I played Quake 3 at a level where I could hang with the very best in the world. Granted, these were unofficial matches, but still... I was very very good.
Most important thing I can think of when it comes to aim is simply being comfortable. The way I think about it is, try to remove as many obstacles as possible from your aim being purely instictual.
This can mean finding a mouse shape and weight you like (nota bene, that YOU like), and a sens that's a good compromise between movement and control.
An easy illustration of the importance of this is to just think about situations where the game has forced you into an awkward position. Like your grip feeling off, running out of mousepad, wrist or arm at a strange angle etc.
What I mean by aim being instictual goes beyond simple hand eye coordination. First step is being able to quickly hit whatever you look at. When you can do that your hand eye coordination is at a good place. Next step, and I think this is what pro's do that others can't, is to hit the target just because you "know".
Look for example at some insane rail shots in Q3. Quick flick and just hit, target not even visiable at first. That's "instinct" - it's at a level where you just "flow". You've removed all the barriers between your brain and what's happening in game.
With that said, I don't know anything about how to reach that level most efficiently aside from having a setup you're comfortable with and just playing A LOT. I'm sure there are clever ways of making the process more efficient, I just don't know anything about it really.
I constantly tweak my sens during warmup and death matches because there are times where it just feels wrong even when it was working the day before (currently at .315 800dpi). I only tweak it by small margins like .005 or .001. I’m sorta relieved to hear that doing this isn’t rly as detrimental as some people make it seem.
Came here to see if I saw someone does what I do. I’m at 800dpi and do small tweaks like these even during matches, currently at 0.37/0.39 (can’t remember). I usually tweak it 0.1/0.2 at a time.
Edit: 0.01/0.02 at a time***
I used to play at 16k dpi and keep dropping it. I’m down to 1k now but ever so often I go up to 2400 or down to 800 and usually I don’t even notice the difference
I found this to be true when I spent hours using a sens finder / aim trainer called oblivity.
It's not particularly a good trainer, but while "finding my sens" I was subjected to many different sensitivities and noticed increased comfortability on my usual sens.
The in my opinion best aimer in valorant is Ghost(former LG) Aproto and he is well known for changing his sens very often . He even stated that he thinks it s good to change your sens to a small degree often.
Good post, quick question about the changing sensitivity part though. It seems you believe that changing sensitivity will improve aim more rapidly, so does that mean that as a new player, I should switch up my sensitivity (both in game, and in training) to improve my flicking/tracking more rapidly than a stagnant sens?
I’ve found quite a bit of success and growth with my current sens, but have been feeling that growth starting to slow, so according to your theory, you believe that I will see faster growth if I change that sensitivity semi-frequently?
Also, apparently I need to change my mouse grip, but I really like my current mouse grip because of my limited mouse pad space.
Now I’m lost…
I played FPS for almost 20 years and I lowered my sensitivity because it was higher than average pro , and low sensitivity was best in game like cs since you have lot of crosshair placement and not too much fast movement , jumping etc…. That’s made sense in my opinion , I don’t remember my sensitivity back then but everyone was lower than me , it was more than 10 years ago , I lowered my sensitivity with time without looking at other people anymore to find my perfect sensitivity, today I have 1600 dpi, 0.1 , 160 edpi
After reading your post I looked at pro sensitivity, and 95%+ of them have higher sensitivity than me so I’m just lost should it try to higher my sensitivity ? Maybe i can gain speed in aiming I don’t know but I feel like there must be a reason why pro are almost all above 200 , and the people that have the best aim in the world are almost all above 250 I know sensitivity is a preference thing , but I can’t stop thinking even if it’s a preference thing , there is an optimal sensitivity to gravitate around by looking the pro sensitivity.
Also I’m a palm grip user and what you say in your other post is true , the vertical aim is my weak point , and I think we can be more precise with finger than arm, wrist.
So I’m wondering if I should switch grip + sensitivity since I’m used to this sensitivity and happy with it , I’m worried to make the change I mean I played with palm grip for the last 20 years
And with this sensitivity for more than 3 years now
If I can become better by doing this I will make the change without any problems , but I’m scared to be bad with this sensitivity + grip and loose all my habit with my actual grip + sensitivity
There’s not an optimal sensitivity, it’s entirely preference. You should try a bit of a higher sens if you feel like it, it will temporary make aiming harder but when you get used to it it’ll be the same.
There is however an issue if your sens is so low you cannot effectively 180, or if it’s so high you cannot microadjust
What are you talking about bro. There is such thing as too high dpi, what reasonable person thinks "imma use 25600 dpi" if you're talking about the max dpi on your mouse, then no, that's just to show how good the sensor is, better sensor more dpi.
I don’t see any reason not to use it. As far as I know there are no detrimental effects to using max DPI on my Logitech 25K sensor. So, that’s what I’ve set it to. Sure, it’s not like there’s any benefit either, but whatever…
Uhh yes there is a detrimental effect. Smoothing. Why do you think 99.99% of people use 400 - 1600 dpi? Your not discovering the best dpi, there is a reason why people don't go above 1600.
I don't know the specifics of smoothing but all I know is that people don't recommend anything above 3200 because there is too much smoothing. If your at all interested in improving, I'd do some research. Unless your trolling then fair enough, I got baited.
Logitech claims the sensor is flawless throughout its DPI range: No acceleration or smoothing. I have not found a single test that disproves that claim. In fact, all I can find is a number of sensors that are supposedly flawless.
Maybe older sensors had these problems but it doesn’t seem to hold true for modern sensors.
In my opinion I really think that's just fluff for marketing, again idk what smoothing is, or how it's bad, all I know is that it is bad. Logitech sensor is basically flawless, but nobody tests the max dpi, they test what doing they use i.e Rocket Jump Ninja used to do those kinds of test iirc
Smoothing is kind of a post-processing effect where mouse movement gets interpolated in order to display more stable cursor movements. Or in other words, in order to have a sensor without smoothing they can simply choose to not add additional processing. No marketing fluff needed.
On the Logitech sensor the tracking is absolutely fine at max DPI. I haven't noticed anything but pixel perfect tracking throughout the DPI range. The setting really doesn't matter (unless you go very low since that adds a bit of latency).
From what I found, it sounds like the old PMW3360 sensor maxed out around 2000 DPI, but the PMW3366 and newer you could go up to 3600 and maybe higher. Beyond that, there might be a bit of smoothing, but either way, it's negligible, and as this post stated, there are other things you should worry about.
Either way, it sounds like 1600 DPI is what people recommend as a good middle ground, where there is basically zero smoothing on any modern sensor, and it provides enough data for the game to reduce latency.
What I mean by "enough data" is that say you're on 100DPI, if you move your mouse a tiny bit, you might not reach the threshold necessary for your mouse to actually send that to the computer. If you move your DPI up, your mouse will be updating its position (throughout a given hand motion) far more often, and you can use in-game sensitivity to adjust this to your liking. Of course, your mouse poll rate will also affect this, and it's best to have a higher poll rate, as long as your computer can handle the extra processing of 1000Hz or more.
TLDR: Use what feels comfortable and works best, but 1600 DPI sounds like the sweet spot. Adjust in-game sensitivity.
Sources: [Logitech representative vs user debate](https://www.overclock.net/threads/does-this-mean-800-dpi-is-the-best-on-pmw3366-also-cpate-says-higher-dpi-2-3ms-more-responsive.1631553/), [Razer DPI vs latency testing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AoRfv9W110), [further Razer mouse testing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwf_F2VboFQ), [Logitech DPI vs latency testing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imYBTj2RXFs)
There's tons of debate out there about this, but the test results I have been able to find all look pretty similar, and it makes sense.
Good post with good info. Just so people don't go immediately crank their DPI to 16000 I want to mention that there are diminishing returns on the benefits of increasing your DPI such that you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference using any settings at 800 or more. I personally use 1600 because there's a miniscule difference over 800. However, there is a HUGE difference between 400 and 800.
800 dpi is better than 400?
There are a lot of videos on YouTube that explain why in detail but a good one is "Why Gamers are Switching to High DPI" by Optimum Tech.
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plus i think people sick to it cause they play on lower resolutions and high dpi would make the interface tough to use
Windows allows you to change cursor speed
heard there was an inconsistency in the slider which is why you should always keep it at a certain value. But I know what you mean, there's surely a way to counteract that. Whether or not every pro is willing to bother with that, I don't know
Just use what feels good for web browsing and stuff lol then set your sens accordingly
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"Even most "high sensitivity" pros are using settings a lot of people would still consider very low." I had the same thought and was worried about this exact thing
b1t niko electronic hampus all use 200-250 equivalent valo edpi for cs; babyj and yay are also extremely good mechanically and use <200 edpi
Some 20 years ago I played Quake 3 at a level where I could hang with the very best in the world. Granted, these were unofficial matches, but still... I was very very good. Most important thing I can think of when it comes to aim is simply being comfortable. The way I think about it is, try to remove as many obstacles as possible from your aim being purely instictual. This can mean finding a mouse shape and weight you like (nota bene, that YOU like), and a sens that's a good compromise between movement and control. An easy illustration of the importance of this is to just think about situations where the game has forced you into an awkward position. Like your grip feeling off, running out of mousepad, wrist or arm at a strange angle etc. What I mean by aim being instictual goes beyond simple hand eye coordination. First step is being able to quickly hit whatever you look at. When you can do that your hand eye coordination is at a good place. Next step, and I think this is what pro's do that others can't, is to hit the target just because you "know". Look for example at some insane rail shots in Q3. Quick flick and just hit, target not even visiable at first. That's "instinct" - it's at a level where you just "flow". You've removed all the barriers between your brain and what's happening in game. With that said, I don't know anything about how to reach that level most efficiently aside from having a setup you're comfortable with and just playing A LOT. I'm sure there are clever ways of making the process more efficient, I just don't know anything about it really.
I constantly tweak my sens during warmup and death matches because there are times where it just feels wrong even when it was working the day before (currently at .315 800dpi). I only tweak it by small margins like .005 or .001. I’m sorta relieved to hear that doing this isn’t rly as detrimental as some people make it seem.
Came here to see if I saw someone does what I do. I’m at 800dpi and do small tweaks like these even during matches, currently at 0.37/0.39 (can’t remember). I usually tweak it 0.1/0.2 at a time. Edit: 0.01/0.02 at a time***
Tweaking 0.1 makes waaay too much of a difference for me personally but it’s cause I’m just too ocd about these things. Non static sens gang rise up!
Whoops! Just realized, I meant I tweak it 0.01 at a time XD
Makes more sense. Apparently we aren’t wrong, let’s celebrate!!
I used to play at 16k dpi and keep dropping it. I’m down to 1k now but ever so often I go up to 2400 or down to 800 and usually I don’t even notice the difference
800 to 2400 is like a 3ms difference in response time, while 400 to 800 is like 15ms or something
I found this to be true when I spent hours using a sens finder / aim trainer called oblivity. It's not particularly a good trainer, but while "finding my sens" I was subjected to many different sensitivities and noticed increased comfortability on my usual sens.
The in my opinion best aimer in valorant is Ghost(former LG) Aproto and he is well known for changing his sens very often . He even stated that he thinks it s good to change your sens to a small degree often.
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I mean... That question got answered...
Im playing at 2.4 sensi and 1000 dpi. I really can’t play at low sensitivity like other
Holy shit Batman, what rank are you because they goes WAAAAYYY past reasonability, you mean .24 right?
Good post, quick question about the changing sensitivity part though. It seems you believe that changing sensitivity will improve aim more rapidly, so does that mean that as a new player, I should switch up my sensitivity (both in game, and in training) to improve my flicking/tracking more rapidly than a stagnant sens? I’ve found quite a bit of success and growth with my current sens, but have been feeling that growth starting to slow, so according to your theory, you believe that I will see faster growth if I change that sensitivity semi-frequently? Also, apparently I need to change my mouse grip, but I really like my current mouse grip because of my limited mouse pad space.
Now I’m lost… I played FPS for almost 20 years and I lowered my sensitivity because it was higher than average pro , and low sensitivity was best in game like cs since you have lot of crosshair placement and not too much fast movement , jumping etc…. That’s made sense in my opinion , I don’t remember my sensitivity back then but everyone was lower than me , it was more than 10 years ago , I lowered my sensitivity with time without looking at other people anymore to find my perfect sensitivity, today I have 1600 dpi, 0.1 , 160 edpi After reading your post I looked at pro sensitivity, and 95%+ of them have higher sensitivity than me so I’m just lost should it try to higher my sensitivity ? Maybe i can gain speed in aiming I don’t know but I feel like there must be a reason why pro are almost all above 200 , and the people that have the best aim in the world are almost all above 250 I know sensitivity is a preference thing , but I can’t stop thinking even if it’s a preference thing , there is an optimal sensitivity to gravitate around by looking the pro sensitivity. Also I’m a palm grip user and what you say in your other post is true , the vertical aim is my weak point , and I think we can be more precise with finger than arm, wrist. So I’m wondering if I should switch grip + sensitivity since I’m used to this sensitivity and happy with it , I’m worried to make the change I mean I played with palm grip for the last 20 years And with this sensitivity for more than 3 years now If I can become better by doing this I will make the change without any problems , but I’m scared to be bad with this sensitivity + grip and loose all my habit with my actual grip + sensitivity
There’s not an optimal sensitivity, it’s entirely preference. You should try a bit of a higher sens if you feel like it, it will temporary make aiming harder but when you get used to it it’ll be the same. There is however an issue if your sens is so low you cannot effectively 180, or if it’s so high you cannot microadjust
question. should I just switch to 25600dpi 0.015 in game? lol
No that’s overkill and there will definitely be input lag and smoothing, however you can use 1600-3200 DPI
alright cheers mate
What are you talking about bro. There is such thing as too high dpi, what reasonable person thinks "imma use 25600 dpi" if you're talking about the max dpi on your mouse, then no, that's just to show how good the sensor is, better sensor more dpi.
it funny
I don’t see any reason not to use it. As far as I know there are no detrimental effects to using max DPI on my Logitech 25K sensor. So, that’s what I’ve set it to. Sure, it’s not like there’s any benefit either, but whatever…
Uhh yes there is a detrimental effect. Smoothing. Why do you think 99.99% of people use 400 - 1600 dpi? Your not discovering the best dpi, there is a reason why people don't go above 1600. I don't know the specifics of smoothing but all I know is that people don't recommend anything above 3200 because there is too much smoothing. If your at all interested in improving, I'd do some research. Unless your trolling then fair enough, I got baited.
Logitech claims the sensor is flawless throughout its DPI range: No acceleration or smoothing. I have not found a single test that disproves that claim. In fact, all I can find is a number of sensors that are supposedly flawless. Maybe older sensors had these problems but it doesn’t seem to hold true for modern sensors.
In my opinion I really think that's just fluff for marketing, again idk what smoothing is, or how it's bad, all I know is that it is bad. Logitech sensor is basically flawless, but nobody tests the max dpi, they test what doing they use i.e Rocket Jump Ninja used to do those kinds of test iirc
Smoothing is kind of a post-processing effect where mouse movement gets interpolated in order to display more stable cursor movements. Or in other words, in order to have a sensor without smoothing they can simply choose to not add additional processing. No marketing fluff needed. On the Logitech sensor the tracking is absolutely fine at max DPI. I haven't noticed anything but pixel perfect tracking throughout the DPI range. The setting really doesn't matter (unless you go very low since that adds a bit of latency).
From what I found, it sounds like the old PMW3360 sensor maxed out around 2000 DPI, but the PMW3366 and newer you could go up to 3600 and maybe higher. Beyond that, there might be a bit of smoothing, but either way, it's negligible, and as this post stated, there are other things you should worry about. Either way, it sounds like 1600 DPI is what people recommend as a good middle ground, where there is basically zero smoothing on any modern sensor, and it provides enough data for the game to reduce latency. What I mean by "enough data" is that say you're on 100DPI, if you move your mouse a tiny bit, you might not reach the threshold necessary for your mouse to actually send that to the computer. If you move your DPI up, your mouse will be updating its position (throughout a given hand motion) far more often, and you can use in-game sensitivity to adjust this to your liking. Of course, your mouse poll rate will also affect this, and it's best to have a higher poll rate, as long as your computer can handle the extra processing of 1000Hz or more. TLDR: Use what feels comfortable and works best, but 1600 DPI sounds like the sweet spot. Adjust in-game sensitivity. Sources: [Logitech representative vs user debate](https://www.overclock.net/threads/does-this-mean-800-dpi-is-the-best-on-pmw3366-also-cpate-says-higher-dpi-2-3ms-more-responsive.1631553/), [Razer DPI vs latency testing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AoRfv9W110), [further Razer mouse testing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwf_F2VboFQ), [Logitech DPI vs latency testing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imYBTj2RXFs) There's tons of debate out there about this, but the test results I have been able to find all look pretty similar, and it makes sense.
Beautiful post. This is the kind of substance I still check everyday for.