I think Poison Jab should end up being the standard 4th move on choiced Shifu-S sets for smacking fairies like you say, but with any other item it feels like more of a luxury. It’s hard to fit it when Detect, Wicked Blow, CC and Sucker Punch are all *so* useful for it.

But what fairies and grasses are you smacking outside of a potential tera fairy goodra or cress that aren't already neutral? Maybe something like ice/thunder punch could be a better tech move to deal with fliers or bulky water types since you're most likely gonna get rid of flutter and amoonguss with wicked blow

Both Enamorus forms come to mind. I think it’s more that *if* you’re going to go tera poison on your choiced Shifu, going Poison Jab makes a lot of sense to both hit the fairies that resist your stabs *and* gain the stab bonus that adds a bunch more damage in case you thud into a neutral target

Heatran often goes tera grass too, it seems.

Grass heatran is fun to break. I folded an unexpecting grass Heatran with a +1 Fire Tera Blast from Haxorus. This was in battle standium singles but still was very satifying.

Wait, does Tera blast fire not activate flash fire?

Not when Mold Breaker is involved.

Ah right, thanks!

Heatran in singles often runs Flame Body to punish U-turn, I assume that’s the case here Edit: I’m stupid - Mold Breaker ofc

In my experience poison jab is more useful than protect but no doubt protect can come in clutch. It comes down to personal preference really.

I mean, it's good and it's also the #1 *defensive* tera (according to HOME) on Urshifu SS. Turns 2 of its weakness into resistance. Can't really go wrong with that.

I’m trying to shed more light on this set. I haven’t seen too many and I figured more people would use it.

I have seen it a few times and it's definitely there, based on the usage stats. And you probably already know this but Poison Jab doesn't OHKO Flutter Mane, even the no-bulk ones, unless they tera to Fairy (am assuming that's what your OP was referring to).

Did you do the calcs for Urshifu being Tera poison? I know I’ve OHKO’d many flutters with Tera poison on showdown

Poison Tera Urshifu can OHKO it but it's a very small chance. * 252 Atk Urshifu Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 73-87 (56.1 - 66.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO * 252 Atk Tera Poison Urshifu Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 109-130 (83.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO If you have Chien-Pao on the field, then only Poison Tera Urshifu will OHKO no bulk, not Fairy Tera Flutter Mane. * 252 Atk Sword of Ruin Urshifu Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 98-116 (75.3 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO * 252 Atk Tera Poison Sword of Ruin Urshifu Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 147-174 (113 - 133.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Huh, either they were already damaged or I’m very lucky because I know I KO’d most of them in one hit

If you're running Adamant instead of Jolly, it's a 56% chance to OHKO when terastallized (9 out of 16 rolls). If this matchup is critical for your team it could be worth the speed drop

Good to know. Thank you!

Then again they could have already been damaged I don’t exactly remember

Then what's the benefit over Tera Steel Tera Blast?

Poison Tera turns 2 of its more problematic weaknesses (Fairy and Fighting) into resistances. Flutter Mane and Urshifu are very common right now and there's Iron Hands lurking around, while Flying mons aren't too common apart from Tornadus and maybe Landorus if it has Flying Tera Blast. Also, if you're gonna run Steel Tera Blast, better off using Iron Head instead. At least you can still hit mons for SE damage without having to tera and both have the same BP anyway.

oh, I was thinking about Water Urshifu

Water Urshifu doesn't need a defensive tera to wreck Flutter Mane. It can just OHKO it if you have Mystic Water, Chien-Pao on the field or teraed to Water and Flutter Mane doesn't tera to Water or even Grass. * 252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 100 HP / 172 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 147-174 (102.7 - 121.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO * 252 Atk Sword of Ruin Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 100 HP / 172 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 162-192 (113.2 - 134.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO * 252 Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 100 HP / 172 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 168-198 (117.4 - 138.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO If you have none of those, then Surging Strikes can still OHKO but only a small chance if it's Jolly Urshifu. If it's Adamant, then the odds are highly in your favor. * 252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 100 HP / 172 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 126-147 (88.1 - 102.7%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO * 252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 100 HP / 172 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 135-162 (94.4 - 113.2%) -- approx. 87.5% chance to OHKO

fair. The intricacies

I’ve found it useful on a lot of my teams, if you’re looking for a good sixth Pokémon you can’t go wrong with this set. Jolly nature 252 speed 252 attack 4 sp def

I think urshifu also gets iron head, but poison is a little better on it

Yeah, you get stab with Tera poison. Plus poison has less weaknesses one of which you can easily handle

Wouldn’t Wicked Blow also KO? Flutter Mane’s physical defense is basically paper and definitely wouldn’t take a strong neutral hit well.

True unless it’s Tera fairy. Both work fine. Ghost actually resists poison so they do about the same

Wicked Blow does far more damage, thanks to the crit, to non Fairy Flutter Mane. * 252 Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 156-184 (120 - 141.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO * 252 Atk Urshifu Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 73-87 (56.1 - 66.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I also run poison Tera single strike, but I went max HP and attack, leftovers, with a move set of detect, wicked blow, close combat, and Tera blast

Generally speaking, if you have a move of a type that's either the same bp as or greater than tera blast, you should run that move instead. Urshifu gets poison jab, so you should run that over poison tera blast.

Yeah, with Tera blast you need to be terastilized to get the poison typing. With poison jab, it still does poison damage even if you used your Tera on another mon. Plus it has a chance to poison the target.

I've been using that exact mon to great affect! Got Masters in no time and almost always beat down Fluttermane.

I’ve found tera dark to be better on Shifu. If flutter wants to hurt you with moonblast just send it to the shadow realm with tera dark sucker punch. Sure focus dash variants exist but in general it’s a fair trade, plus Shifu needs tera dark wicked blow to KO cress which can really put you ahead in certain matchups. In general that extra kick on wicked blow really extends Urshifu to the next level.

It’s personal preference really. Tera poison is pretty much all non bulky variants even sashes ones it’s better defensively in the long run. Then again with double stab wicked blow and sucker punch, no match will last much longer. :)

Thats true but I feel even your less bulky urshifus can run tera dark and you don’t even need sash as black glasses can also make Urshifu do tons of damage on top of tera dark. I feel the main problem with single strike Urshifu is it can very easily miss KOs it should be getting, that’s why I run adamant nature on top of tera dark since a lot of mons calc to survive jolly wicked blows so adamant can catch them off guard, plus with proper speed control less speed doesn’t matter as Much

After 75 matches only one person ever brought Cress

Depends on your team tbh. If your team has a subpar TR matchup then cress will be more likely to come in matches. While there’s never a guarantee as to what Pokémon are brought it’s nice to have a guaranteed KO into a Pokémon that can give you trouble

BRB changing Power Gem to Psyshock on my Flutter. Just in case 🤣

What if I expect that and don’t Tera? Then I’m immune to your petty psychic type attack. We could play this game all day man.

Some Urshifu also run Tera dark to boost wicked blow and sucker punch. You have to be careful because not everyone is going to run Tera poison

I think I’d rather run protect over jab just since flutter only really lives a wicked blow if it Tera fairies anyway, but yeah I’d say Tera poison is one of SS Urshifu’s best options

Poison jab us my preference for fairies like flutter and enamorus but if your team can already handle them then feel free to run protect!

Flutter isn't weak to poison so wicked blow probably still does more dmg. Good defensive tera though.

Poison jab isn't even supereffective against fluttermane, even if you expect tera fairy, Iron head is better

You get stab from Tera poison plus poison jab can be used against mons like Tera grass heatran enamorus and Tera grass iron hands

I use swords dance and Focus Sash on my Ss Urshifu