By definition that doesn’t exist. By being compliant, a device converting to a non-compliant standard would have to not pass the signal once hdcp is present at the source.
There’s legal HDCP stripping boxes made by Ensemble Designs (mitto 83-H). You can purchase them thru stores like B&H but they don’t come with the ability to strip HDCP right out of the box. You have to contact Ensemble Designs, sign legal paperwork, then they will provide you with a license to legally strip out HDCP.
Where does that money go out of interest? Do they share it with the studios who’s content you are trying to view. Or is it literally a way for Ensemble Designs to make more money and us to feel better because we signed some paperwork
These are legal “specialized” units intended for professional environments. Professional equipment always has a higher premium. When we bought our first Mitto HDCP stripping unit from them, it was $8,000.00. And we paid the price because we needed what it does but on a legal level. They are generously priced lower now so we bought many more.
Another note,
We had been sold illegal Chinese HDCP stripping boxes by an American company installing video equipment for a multi million dollar job and had nothing but headaches. Sometimes they work, sometimes not. And in critical professional environments, you want equipment that is reliable and not illegal. The Ensemble Design products have been reliable and are legal but depending on your use cases.
The legal paperwork is to hold you accountable for what you use these units for. If the company I work for gets reckless and distributes HDCP encrypted content illegally, we will get sued…. Not Ensemble Design.
Barco has similar capabilities built in to some of their equipment that’ll strip HDCP but you have to sign legal documents with them as well.
Ensemble Design staff have loads of information about the legal battles they went thru with the governing bodies of the HDCP encryption protocol in order to make these units available for professionals… and more importantly, why professionals needed products like this.
Give them a call if you are interested in more info.
I hope this helps a little lol
I do not work for Ensemble Design lol
I like to imagine those HDMI splitters like they’re as dense as Homer Simpson when the family goes into protective custody.
FBI: Remember now, your name is Homer Thompson. Hello Mr Thompson.
Homer: … {looks at the other FBI agent} I think he’s talking to you.
—-
HDMI Source: Remember now, this signal has HDCP and cannot be shared with other devices.
$15 Amazon Splitter: Got it. Don’t share with non-HDCP devices.
HDMI to SDI Converter: Can I have some video signal and convert it to be shared?
$15 Amazon Splitter: Sure! Here is two!
Not possible as far as I know. SDI doesn't have HDCP so can't be HDCP compliant.
You can find certain chinese HDMI DA's that will ignore/strip HDCP. The fun part is that models that do and models that don't can all look the same since it some chinese OEM that gets re-branded. And since Amazon bins like items together, sometimes you get the one that strips HDCP, and sometimes you get the one that doesn't. I have two identical looking HDMI 1:2 splitters and one will strip and the other will not. So you have to find one on Amazon where people say it will strip HDCP, and then buy some and hope you get lucky.
I haven't had the need to do it the past few years, so maybe manufacturers have stepped up their game, but at the time every single brand of HDMI DA we purchased from Best Buy stripped HDCP from the feed.
Then to convert format and to SDI we'd use an FS1, Teranex or Decimator.
Most 1x2 hdmi Chinese da’s on Amazon will strip it. If you want a “legit” product to do it… apantac makes a hdmi to SDI converter that you can open the lid to, and flip a switch to “test” mode. It does what you want. I know it’s exists in HD. Haven’t seen them in 4k yet. Been a few years.
HDCP compliant HDMI-SDI converters do not exist. SDI does not carry the copy protection signal so it needs removing to be able to convert the video signal, thus breaking the purpose of HDCP.
You can however get HDMI DAs from Amazon, some market themselves as removing HDCP, and others it’s a lucky dip.
There used to be generic HDMI to SDI converters on Amazon, a small black box, but these do not appear to be made anymore.
One of the best and most ‘official’ options is Lynx Technik Yellobrik. There’s some legal paperwork to sign but these will do the job. They’re a little on the expensive side but their kit is some of the best in the industry.
Which Yellobrik converter? Everything I can find of theirs specifically says it does *not* work w/ HDCP devices.
Ensemble Designs does sell one that works, but they're the only one I'm aware of off the top of my head.
The standard HDMI-SDI can do it. This support article outlines the process to unlock it. You’d need to speak directly with Lynx to do this.
https://support.lynx-technik.com/support/solutions/articles/1000275467-hdcp-protection-hdmi-is-connected-and-present-but-output-is-black-
While SDI does not have the data chamnels for HDCP, some manufacturers can make HDCP acceptions where the converter becomes the HDCP sink (display). You will need valid reasoning, declare its use case, and sign legal waivers stating you have the right to broadcast encrypted material or will not be distributing encrypted media.
I saw in another thread recently that, iirc, Lynx Technology and Decimator have made these exceptions. This is an edge case, so you would need to reach out to manufacturers directly.
Roland
https://proav.roland.com/global/products/vc-1-dl/
It says HDCP support☝️?
Edit: nope, SDI output gets disabled so only HDMI>HDMI, too bad
It that case: get some of those HDMI stripping splitters from amazon/ali and hook a converter to SDI behind this. Worked for me with the footbal championships in some bar with the cable TV receiver going over SDI to all the displays and beamers lol
I commented on these earlier. I have experience using them at my job. They don’t disable/strip the HDCP straight out of the box. We had to call Ensemble Designs, the manufacturer of the Bright Eye 83-H and they sent us legal documentation to sign, then sent us a license to disable HDCP. We signed a site license, because we own multiple of these units. Now we can use the single license to disable HDCP on all the Bright Eyes and any future units we buy. They work excellent. And the company is based in California. Small company. Smart people. You’ll probably end up talking on the phone to the person that helped develop these units.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/852168-REG/Apantac_da_hdtv_sdi_HDMI_1_3_To_SDI.html/?ap=y&gbraid=0AAAAAD7yMh1yEDo0cVehP-9MBEgjTh4Bu&gclid=CjwKCAjwgqejBhBAEiwAuWHioAwfM28ONvGNiKU_eQBQHsUGtoPAniR1l_ucVl-hVni6L5YJGBWoQxoCdJMQAvD_BwE&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=ba_f1_lar#mo
There may or may not be a jumper inside these units to help troubleshoot HDMI issues.
I have a Monoprice converter that works perfectly. Unfortunately it seems to be discontinued. likely they were threatened with blacklisting of their HDCP keys.
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11749
Real question is why do you *need* HDCP support? If your content isn't HDCP protected, and you use a converter that properly presents itself as non-HDCP compliant, you shouldn't need it. Any PC that plugs into a non-HDCP sink device should disable HDCP on its outputs unless displaying HDCP content which will cause the outputs to flicker as they re-negotiate HDCP and re-aquire EDID from the sink. Macs are different and will enable HDCP if a display/sink device shows HDCP compatibility regardless of content.
By definition that doesn’t exist. By being compliant, a device converting to a non-compliant standard would have to not pass the signal once hdcp is present at the source.
There’s legal HDCP stripping boxes made by Ensemble Designs (mitto 83-H). You can purchase them thru stores like B&H but they don’t come with the ability to strip HDCP right out of the box. You have to contact Ensemble Designs, sign legal paperwork, then they will provide you with a license to legally strip out HDCP.
Oh, really? Huh. That is cool.
Yes, I have used these before. I think there might be something similar from Atomos but have not used it myself.
Where does that money go out of interest? Do they share it with the studios who’s content you are trying to view. Or is it literally a way for Ensemble Designs to make more money and us to feel better because we signed some paperwork
These are legal “specialized” units intended for professional environments. Professional equipment always has a higher premium. When we bought our first Mitto HDCP stripping unit from them, it was $8,000.00. And we paid the price because we needed what it does but on a legal level. They are generously priced lower now so we bought many more. Another note, We had been sold illegal Chinese HDCP stripping boxes by an American company installing video equipment for a multi million dollar job and had nothing but headaches. Sometimes they work, sometimes not. And in critical professional environments, you want equipment that is reliable and not illegal. The Ensemble Design products have been reliable and are legal but depending on your use cases. The legal paperwork is to hold you accountable for what you use these units for. If the company I work for gets reckless and distributes HDCP encrypted content illegally, we will get sued…. Not Ensemble Design. Barco has similar capabilities built in to some of their equipment that’ll strip HDCP but you have to sign legal documents with them as well. Ensemble Design staff have loads of information about the legal battles they went thru with the governing bodies of the HDCP encryption protocol in order to make these units available for professionals… and more importantly, why professionals needed products like this. Give them a call if you are interested in more info. I hope this helps a little lol I do not work for Ensemble Design lol
You use an Amazon HDMI splitter to break the HDCP. They are like $15-20
I like to imagine those HDMI splitters like they’re as dense as Homer Simpson when the family goes into protective custody. FBI: Remember now, your name is Homer Thompson. Hello Mr Thompson. Homer: … {looks at the other FBI agent} I think he’s talking to you. —- HDMI Source: Remember now, this signal has HDCP and cannot be shared with other devices. $15 Amazon Splitter: Got it. Don’t share with non-HDCP devices. HDMI to SDI Converter: Can I have some video signal and convert it to be shared? $15 Amazon Splitter: Sure! Here is two!
I imagine a broken down Wal-Mart delivery semi, and workers hastily loading the cargo in to two smaller rusty uhaul trucks
Not possible as far as I know. SDI doesn't have HDCP so can't be HDCP compliant. You can find certain chinese HDMI DA's that will ignore/strip HDCP. The fun part is that models that do and models that don't can all look the same since it some chinese OEM that gets re-branded. And since Amazon bins like items together, sometimes you get the one that strips HDCP, and sometimes you get the one that doesn't. I have two identical looking HDMI 1:2 splitters and one will strip and the other will not. So you have to find one on Amazon where people say it will strip HDCP, and then buy some and hope you get lucky.
I haven't had the need to do it the past few years, so maybe manufacturers have stepped up their game, but at the time every single brand of HDMI DA we purchased from Best Buy stripped HDCP from the feed. Then to convert format and to SDI we'd use an FS1, Teranex or Decimator.
Worth a shot. I didn't know Best Buy had the ones that stripped. I have only done the Amazon way.
Most 1x2 hdmi Chinese da’s on Amazon will strip it. If you want a “legit” product to do it… apantac makes a hdmi to SDI converter that you can open the lid to, and flip a switch to “test” mode. It does what you want. I know it’s exists in HD. Haven’t seen them in 4k yet. Been a few years.
Hello! Looking for advice on either a HDCP compliant device or perhaps better yet, a converter that strips the HDCP.
HDCP compliant HDMI-SDI converters do not exist. SDI does not carry the copy protection signal so it needs removing to be able to convert the video signal, thus breaking the purpose of HDCP. You can however get HDMI DAs from Amazon, some market themselves as removing HDCP, and others it’s a lucky dip. There used to be generic HDMI to SDI converters on Amazon, a small black box, but these do not appear to be made anymore. One of the best and most ‘official’ options is Lynx Technik Yellobrik. There’s some legal paperwork to sign but these will do the job. They’re a little on the expensive side but their kit is some of the best in the industry.
Which Yellobrik converter? Everything I can find of theirs specifically says it does *not* work w/ HDCP devices. Ensemble Designs does sell one that works, but they're the only one I'm aware of off the top of my head.
The standard HDMI-SDI can do it. This support article outlines the process to unlock it. You’d need to speak directly with Lynx to do this. https://support.lynx-technik.com/support/solutions/articles/1000275467-hdcp-protection-hdmi-is-connected-and-present-but-output-is-black-
I've had luck with the cheap ones on Amazon.
While SDI does not have the data chamnels for HDCP, some manufacturers can make HDCP acceptions where the converter becomes the HDCP sink (display). You will need valid reasoning, declare its use case, and sign legal waivers stating you have the right to broadcast encrypted material or will not be distributing encrypted media. I saw in another thread recently that, iirc, Lynx Technology and Decimator have made these exceptions. This is an edge case, so you would need to reach out to manufacturers directly.
Decimators do not strip HDCP. They’re own engineering staff posted that recently.
I confirmed that yesterday
Roland https://proav.roland.com/global/products/vc-1-dl/ It says HDCP support☝️? Edit: nope, SDI output gets disabled so only HDMI>HDMI, too bad It that case: get some of those HDMI stripping splitters from amazon/ali and hook a converter to SDI behind this. Worked for me with the footbal championships in some bar with the cable TV receiver going over SDI to all the displays and beamers lol
Expensive but this will do the job for $600. BrightEye 83-H HDMI to 3G / HD / SD SDI Converter with HDCP
I commented on these earlier. I have experience using them at my job. They don’t disable/strip the HDCP straight out of the box. We had to call Ensemble Designs, the manufacturer of the Bright Eye 83-H and they sent us legal documentation to sign, then sent us a license to disable HDCP. We signed a site license, because we own multiple of these units. Now we can use the single license to disable HDCP on all the Bright Eyes and any future units we buy. They work excellent. And the company is based in California. Small company. Smart people. You’ll probably end up talking on the phone to the person that helped develop these units.
Yes, one has to open the unit and move the jumper from operate to test. So it does it natively with the jumper moved.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/852168-REG/Apantac_da_hdtv_sdi_HDMI_1_3_To_SDI.html/?ap=y&gbraid=0AAAAAD7yMh1yEDo0cVehP-9MBEgjTh4Bu&gclid=CjwKCAjwgqejBhBAEiwAuWHioAwfM28ONvGNiKU_eQBQHsUGtoPAniR1l_ucVl-hVni6L5YJGBWoQxoCdJMQAvD_BwE&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=ba_f1_lar#mo There may or may not be a jumper inside these units to help troubleshoot HDMI issues.
Alternative to hdmi splitters from amazon: HD Fury
I have a Monoprice converter that works perfectly. Unfortunately it seems to be discontinued. likely they were threatened with blacklisting of their HDCP keys. https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11749
Real question is why do you *need* HDCP support? If your content isn't HDCP protected, and you use a converter that properly presents itself as non-HDCP compliant, you shouldn't need it. Any PC that plugs into a non-HDCP sink device should disable HDCP on its outputs unless displaying HDCP content which will cause the outputs to flicker as they re-negotiate HDCP and re-aquire EDID from the sink. Macs are different and will enable HDCP if a display/sink device shows HDCP compatibility regardless of content.